There's been a fair amount of buzz recently about online reputation management and how to do it, but one thing I don't think anyone has really discussed is how a negative reputation can manifest itself online. After all, not all negative reputations are created equal. Sometimes it's a page that looks innocuous but contains mildly negative things once you click through, or sometimes it's a page ranking 3rd calling you a C**T......
So rather than talking about a negative reputation as if it's an abstract concept, I'm going to show you what this evil beast actually looks like in the wild. The list below is a sliding scale, with the most innocuous stuff at the top sliding down to "Oh my god, let's change our company name and move countries!" at the bottom.
No reputation at all
While this is at the top of the list, in some ways it's the worst of all. This is when you can't find any mention of the company at all online.
What you should do about it: Get a freaking web presence! It's not rocket science....
Negative reputation by association
This is the most annoying negative reputation in many ways, as your name gets tarnished simply by being associated with a negative story without doing anything wrong. This can happen with news stories where simply because your brand or personal name was somehow mentioned, you can have a story ranking for your name, which seems to implicate you with the negative event. Since news sites often rank well, all it takes is being mentioned in the wrong article and it'll rank for your name. Consider David Linley (edit - when I wrote the post this page was ranking first, but it's not there now! stupid Google) - who maybe isn't quite so innocent, but regardless of whether he is or isn't that royal, the search results have been messed up for quite some time!
What you should do about it: Do something else newsworthy and promote that instead. Often, while this page which ranks may have lots of links (if it's a big story), it often won't have your name in the title or header. Get a story all about you on the same website and promote that so it ranks instead. Depending on how strong the negative page is, you might need two of these so the negative one doesn't still rank indented.
Someone wrote something bad about you in a forum
Unlike the consumer complaints forums (see item below), regular forums can often rank as well for obscure queries. If a company does something bad (or someone *thinks* they had a bad experience) and they hang out in an online community, they're likely to post about it. Depending on how well optimised the forum is, these posts can often end up ranking.
Here's a quick example: a forum post about mfi on a PC forum and mfi's rankings.
What you should do about it: Promote positive pages above the negative ones. This should be at the easier end of the spectrum as these forum pages often don't have too much link juice.
Someone wrote something bad about you in lots of forums
Maybe they blog about it, post to consumer action forums. At this stage though, they're probably simply trying to spread the word - they're not trying to make something rank for your name.
Note that these kinds of pages can be legitimate (the search results for Zenith Windows are littered with these kinds of things) or fake.
What you should do about it: If it's just one person writing bad things about you then your best bet is to get in contact with them directly and sort the issue out. Engage with them - have a frank conversation with them and see what their problem is and fix it. Even if there's more than one person upset with you, fixing the issue is the best course of action. Fixing the issue and letting people know you've fixed it can often provide the positive content you need to outrank the negative listings.
A bunch of people hate you
They can create a website like www.who-hates-seomoz.com and put all their anger into it. Sometimes this will cross the line into libel (Sarah? Care to write about how far you can push that line without getting into trouble?), but if they do it sensibly and so long as they don't make too many false claims they'll be ok. This kind of site will often rank very well and is hard to shift.
Here's a couple of fun examples where there's some serious malicious intent. Firstly, screw you, fasthosts. Secondly, someone really doesn't like barratt homes!
What you should do about it: Engage and try and get them to take the site down. If this doesn't work you can consider moving the conversation onto a property you control, e.g., testimonials.seomoz.org (note how sub-domains allows you to gain more real estate in the SERPs), which might still be negative, but at least you can spin the content easier. Note that if done well, this area will start off negative as the people who don't like you will be commenting. By letting the conversation turn negative (but keeping the conversation on your site), you should be able to talk them around, engage, respond, and deal with the issues, and you'll find the conversation becomes more positive until you have a healthy and vibrant testimonials page.
You're a negative reputation magnet
Some people can't do anything right! Almost the opposite of the midas touch, everything they touch just seems to turn to shit. This could simply be a product of the industry you work in, however. As Will mentioned in his Whiteboard Friday video, politicians are constantly suffering attacks on their character as well as quite often putting their foot in it!
Need an example? Just Google any mid-sized politician or celebrity and you'll see what I mean!
What you should do about it: If you're a negative reputation magnet then you're probably getting a lot of press, both good and bad. Will covers some good tips in his WBF for just this situation.
Reputation Management - you're doing it wrong
Ok, something bad happened. It happens to everyone. Maybe you really did screw up - after all, you can't control all your employees all the time, and you can't always quality test every single product. What you should probably avoid, however, is making the situation any worse than it already is. Ways you could do this include, oh, I don't know - perhaps using the angry customer's email address to create fake online dating profiles!
How you should respond: Well, not committing fraud and signing anyone up to online dating would be a good start! But seriously, the best thing to do here is to engage the community head on. Apologise and be up front about what has happened - don't try and cover things up. Make steps towards fixing the underlying issue or the root cause of the problem. Once this is done then you need to engage with the community - go above and beyond the issues and make your users like you again. This takes time and can be a painful process but can be extremely rewarding. Look at what Dell has done engaging with their customers - it's paid them back many times over and actually won them a lot of fans.
On a related note - check out this list of the 5 most hated companies online for a nice example of how bad it gets when you really screw things up!
Disclaimer: To make the points in this article, I've had to link to some offensive and critical posts. I've used nofollow where appropriate and would like to emphasise that I am not endorsing the negative comments.
The title for this post comes from a great tune: Xploding Plastix - Treat Me Mean, I Need The Reputation (the dub version of the same track is worth checking out too!)
Treat Me Mean, I Need The Reputation
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I was pleasantly surprised how much you talked about engagement, as opposed to just outranking bad pages with good ones. A lot of times, people vent because they don't feel like they're being heard, and engaging with them offline can have a huge impact. If you can turn a critic into a believer, that's huge.
Engagement FTW! Moving the conversaiton to a platform you control and can manage closely saves you a lot of headaches and if done well can actually be used to market your brand. If you look at Dell they're now using that area to actively promote the Dell brand rather than just use it as a feedback platform.
I guess I won't launch www.tom-critchlow-is-the-devils-concubine.com now. Another victory for engagement! :)
<rant Since you mentioned them . . . Dell is a huge pain in the a**. I don't know how they can honestly tout their customer service with the amout of time it takes to get anything done with them. It's always: "I need to transfer you to another department" or "Can I put you on hold" or "I can't find a record of that" . . . it just never ends! /rant>
First!
Was actually talking to a journalist today about reputation management and i see its something we'll be looking at more and more.
Edit: Yeah that skyhandling thing was funny, but funnier still is that a lot of companies and PR people fail to monitor their brands online. Plus in the PR world theres a fair bit of debate about whether specialized digital agencies are needed or whether conventional PR firms can handle it:
Hilarious argument between PR agencies - makes SEO's feel all civilized!
That exchange is quite hard to believe. Looks real though...
Very good way to categorize negative reputation... And thanks a bunch for "5 Hated Companies" link - loved it!
Just stumbled across this link: expose the "bad guy" to the world - quite on spot, isn't it? :)
Great post Tom.
Our most recent SEO Meetup in Austin covered local search (good topic here) and the ratings thing was a huge part of it. We had to empasize to the business owners that they needed to not only read, but act on the comments given to their business. And no matter what, things don't just get deleted on the internet. Articles in Business Journals about past business deals done bad and poor reviews on a major site don't go away.
Best to handle them and change the product. Get your good customers to review your site/business and it'll all work out. In fact, having some negative feedback (not too much) can give some small businesses a more "real" feel online. We all know you can't please everyone.
*Hat Tip to @lauraa for doing that presentation.
I talk about this stuff all the time with people. When I went for the latest round of work interviews, my name was "googled" and I at least knew some of what was coming up.
It's why I rebranded a while back - good to control the SERPs for your brand and not have that silly stuff from 1998 still in the results ranking for your name
*smiles sweetly*
Ooooh - the old name change trick ;-)
This can work especially well for personal branding - consider someone with negative search results for John Doe - so why not re-brand yourself as John-Andrews Doe or similar. It's not hard to do (if you already have a middle name) and can clean up the search resutls pretty quick!
A while ago I had this scumbag boss, and I was googling his name for some innocuous reason, and stumbled across his top google result, a website made by a former employee, talking about what a petty con man he was. He ended up paying for a ton of press releases regarding himself to remove it (and he's still ripping off clients left and right).
I thought the whole thing was kinda funny at the time, but I should have paid more attention--he withheld my last paycheck and accused me of stealing source files when I finally resigned.
Moral of the story: negative reputations are often grounded in truth, unfortunately those with the means to eliminate them will do so easily.
Couldn't agree more re taking steps to deal with the negative feedback - trying to cover up bad reviews etc really isn't the answer; you need to take steps to try to resolve the issue; AND try to prevent the same situation happening again.
Excellent post :)
I agree....these people that are won over will eventually become more loyal and more outspoken than others. Plus it will help to eliminate, rather than cover up the negativity....thus preventing resurgence.
You missed one - You Really Are A Complete Tit
A common problem in the comments threads on most social media sites, as well as in blog comments and company social media usage. The person or company in question erroneously believes they have something people are interested in hearing, whereas all we really want them to do is go away.
A good example of this would be a company trying to be clever, a Reddit thread featuring girls or seeminly anything else where idiots are given voices online.
What to do to fix it? Simple. Shut up and go away.
Please.
Just to make sure everyone knows btw, I'm not calling Tom a tit...
Lol - I didn't even realise it could be read that way but yes if you read it wrong it does look like you're calling me a tit :-) Ah well I've been called worse!
Not being an idiot is unfortunatly a pre-requisite for SO MANY THINGS.
Yeh, less with the thinking you're a tit :p
And I've got this great theory; it's called the PAS theory - People Are Stupid. It's like guilty until proven innocent, but for intelligence. Too much time spent hanging around on Digg I guess.
Great post btw :)
Sorry for the double post
Ohhhh really i am searching for these trick.
I have already researched many on reputation management but i have get clear in my main point how to move the negative post down.
Quit prety that i have got great knowledge and got more idea how to deal with those negative post and article.
Thanks for Descriptive idea!!!!
How does that old saying go? Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see?
Doesn't matter really, whatever it is. No matter what you see online, you should always consider the source. Certain things should be taken with a big dose of salt.
Besides, do you really want the kind of gullible people who believe everything they read and hear to be your clients? Maybe that was a bad question.
Just use your judgement about what you read on the Internet anyway. Be a skeptic!
Just what I needed!
Recently my boss asked me to address a competitor, a very small and jealous competitor who decided to blog about how we Spammed him when he signed up for our Nationwide Veterans Business Directory,
He couldn't figure out how to opt out of our emails yet got enough links and title tags with our name to be on the front page of the SERP calling us spammers. It is funny because he offers the same service for more money and less coverage which really makes him a non factor....for now. It did however prevent me from getting a .edu link.
To quickly handle his blog that bashed us I got on my computer at home and created a profile and commented on the blog that "I had never had a problem with VetFriends etc..." Sure enough a loyal member of our directory, whom I did not bait, commented on the story saying he was surprised to hear that we were spamming and has always enjoyed our services. At this point I am working on getting the boss to setup a subdomain blog to further push this jerk down. Again these tips on this post were great and definately give me some more options, thank you Tom!
FYI... before you venture into this territory...
a word of wisdom..
f*** sleep, f**k privacy and f*** any vacation you have setup if you choose to offer this service to clients.
let me tell you a story...
i got these two clients.. they are kind of really, really rich.. they are kinda hated by the left wing nut jobs.. whenever they speak or are interviewed... my life is usurped... you think the whole drinking margaritas on the beach and doing work from a laptop is cool? sometimes it's just not fun.. you're sitting there chillin with the 2 girls you flew down with, tossin back some frosty and fruity drinks.. cell phone lights up..
PR rep: "umm, we have a situation.. can you google (client's name?)"
me: "nope, on the beach, laptop is is the room, do i need to?"
them: "yes please"
so for the next 3 hours you have to read all the venomous content, all the while getting more and more aggravated, being influenced by all this negative energy, as the tops come off and they are waving you into the water.. while you try and figure out a "quick" way to influence the SERPs.....
i'll stop my story there.. i'm sure you get the idea..
</wisdom>
the cool thing about it is you aren't really doing keyword studies, just someone's name.. the bad thing is that name could show up on 1000 pages in one day, all pointing to the forbes or WSJ article.
@ ALL
Engagement is KING! I can tell you from personal experience that engagement works very well
BONUS: In many cases, I've found that by engaging those who have posted little Filthy McNasties about your brand (valid or not) you will, in many cases, retain them as a customer. Further, because you've taken the time to touch them--personally, you can often times turn them from a squeaky wheel into an advocate for your brand.
- Eric
p.s. Sub-domains also work quite well so long as there is a valid reason to use them.
Good post! We tackled a similar issue at SearchViews, where Reprise Media managing partner Josh Stylman called out Bartle Bogle Hegarty chairman Steve Harty for not recognizing the importance of protecting your name online, especially in search. Here's that original post:
https://tinyurl.com/4oqrsf
We even ran a little experiment by buying up Harty's name and BBH's as keywords to show why a brand shouldn't let that get away from them. Here's our followup which shows the keywords:
https://tinyurl.com/4nkd7v
These posts still are ranking number one and two in organic Google search for Steve Harty's name...
A good example of a name that brings up unfortunate google search results is "Patrick Gillespie" (the article is not about me, it's some other guy). I've actually had online dates ask me about it (most in a joking fashion, since I'm in my mid-20's, and that guy is older). However, it's annoying that that's what comes up when my name is searched for.
You could start a blog for your name. FYI... patrickgillespie.com is available. You'd own #1 within a couple of weeks.
Holy crap, thanks for the tip! I didn't even think to do that, every time I've checked in the past (which isn't often at all), that domain was taken. I just purchased the dot com. Thanks again!
No worries! Helping others out is what forums are all about. I'd be curious to know how long it takes to grab that #1 spot after you get your blog/site launched. Keep us posted!
The blog suggestion is a great one...provided you keep posting!
I have a pretty unique name but was outranked for quite some time by someone else's blog post about me. Once I started my own blog I was able to outrank consistently.
I just recently did the same thing with my name, via blog, seomoz profile updates, and linkedin. Then voila: https://tinyurl.com/timstaines
Hopefully this isn't just Google geolocating the results for me, but I have two other reasonably active Tim Staines' to beat out and now my results are the top 4 . . . had only #8 three weeks ago.
Even the biggest and best have off days. I had a roomate years ago that was the most foul mouthed negative jerk most of the time (we worked in the same office had had graduated from the same college) Yet while at work he was the ONLY guy that got letters of praise from people he dealt with while at work. I have always been the same at work or off, (jerk) but I always try to treat people fairly no matter what. Even so I was only gettiing press from the times I screwed up.
Its is something I try to approach with clients. Just getting noticed is great but if you don't consider the bad press you could be hurting your business.
But good point on how some of the attempts by the competitors can actually boost ranking for you too.
Nice post, good job.
Tom, this post title wasn't in reference to Norwegian electro band Xploding Plastix, was it?
Umm - I think it might have been! Did you read the bit at the end of the post which said:
Ahhhh, I must have missed that! I apologize Tom! Glad to see we share the same interest in music :)