Online communities are the same whichever niche you're in. There's really nothing different about them. Expanding this train of thought further, I realised that any online community worth its salt has all of the characteristics below. Realising this, I've listed some SEO applications of these facts at the bottom of the post (so keep reading if you think it doesn't apply to you!).
Respected Members
Communities are, essentially, groups of people who share a common passion. Of course, some people are either more passionate than others or have been passionate for longer. This leads to respected members of the community - those that contribute heavily, are wise beyond their years and generally everyone likes.
Moderators (or Mods, as they're affectionately known)
Of course, as communities grow inevitably they become too big for one person to control and so often there are appointed moderators assigned to help out managing the communities. Usually these will be responsible for a particular sub-forum each, though the specifics vary. It's interesting to note that mods have a love/hate relationship with the community. While they are loved, if they do a good job generally they also get a lot of abuse whenever they have to implement new rules or ban certain members or delete offensive content. Acting as an arbitrator is no different to real life where the people who have to make the decisions always get some backlash regardless of which decision they choose.
God Bless Photoshop
One thing which is common to all online communities I've ever seen is photoshops. Taking an image which is relevant to the community and photoshopping some kind of in-joke over the top almost always results in the most popular threads of all time. This happens even in our own dear little SEO community, but it happens a lot more out in the wild.
In Jokes FTW
Of course, leading very closely off the existence of photoshops is the existence of in-jokes. In-jokes in forums from my experience usually come from one of 3 things:
- A legendary user (often who existed for a short space of time and doesn't post anymore) who the whole forum used as a scapegoat or was so senselessly idiotic that the whole forum rallied against them. It's interesting that these are the only real times that the whole community unites. It's very very hard to artificially create this unity in the community -- it's just one of those strange things that happens. Grimstarr is one such legendary user from the 2+2 poker forums. He has over 9500 results in Google, including his very own urban dictionary page! Note that even long after the member has disappeared, the memory remains as a forum in-joke. Check out this recent Dow Jones vs Grimstarr thread which is comedy gold, IMHO (note that the poker earnings graph peaks at over $900k - you can easily see how Grimstarr earned a name for himself!). You can see how big a phenomenon this was from Google Trends!
- A legendary post which was so amusing/outrageous that the whole community remembers and re-uses the trend.
- Rivalries. These can come in many shapes and sizes. Sometimes it's one user against another, sometimes it's one community against another. Either way, rivalries always get the tempers flaring and are often remembered for years to come.
This is a curious phenomenon and one I didn't fully expect, to tell you the truth. Graphs are an integral part of poker forums (check out this thread where you'll see graphs like this or this), but I didn't expect them to be so big in other forums. Turns out that there's something about graphs that the internet loves. Regardless of which niche you're in, you'll see graphs like this (audio frequency response of someone's room) and this (someone's Go rank charted by number of games played) wherever you go! The interesting application of this is that there is a huge scope for internet marketers who are savvy and niche enough to profit from this (see bottom of the post).
Profile Pictures (and gifs)
If you're thinking this is just confined to ridiculous forums full of teenage boys providing no value, then you need to revisit the avatars of SEO people on Twitter! Actually - I'm not sure that disproves my point... ah well. The point is that people like to brand themselves with avatars, and often in online communities your avatar is all you've got for people to recognise you. Hence, people like to have something funny and/or memorable. The problem is that, of course, most people are incapable of coming up with something original so if you can, create something funny and/or memorable as a gif or image that members of the community can use as an avatar.
Stupid Little Arguments
I was in two minds about adding a section for flame wars and arguments, but seeing as they happen ALL THE TIME in online communities I can't really leave it out. What I won't do is link to any, as I'm sure that'll only fuel the fire, but suffice to say that these are always going to spring up and it's often surprising which side of the argument different members of the community come down on. While I've resisted linking to any here, flame wars are, by nature, controversial and hence can be used to drum up links. Use this tactic with caution though - it's on the same level as getting sued for links!
Summary
So what does that leave us? Hopefully the clever ones among you have already spotted (or already knew about) ways of leveraging these ideas for fun and profit, but here are a few seeds to get you started:
- Why not sponsor a forum? This happens a fair amount in large forums, but it's a good idea nonetheless - remember to back it up with actual users who will engage with and are respected by the community.
- Is your brand fun? Why not create a series of amusing/viral profile images or gifs? If they're funny enough then people will use them and you get instant branding. Maybe no SEO benefit, but it gets people talking about you and we all know what that means (hint: the answer is links).
- Create niche widgets which embed useful information for your community. This could be a poker hand converter or a widget to embed Go games in a forum, but if you use a little imagination I'm sure you'll be able to find something in your industry you can use.
- T-shirts leveraging the community in-jokes are a great way to get your branding out - especially if you're a fun brand. You might even make a few quid if you do it well!
- When you're looking to spread content and engage with the community, the trusted members are a better bet than the mods most of the time.
- Use forums for linkbait content (see my post on Distilled on user generated linkbait). There's so much good content on 2+2 I'm astounded it's not been on the Digg homepage yet - I really feel there's a gap in the market for one of the poker sites to start owning social media pretty hard, it's only a matter of time. Mark my words!
Feel free to leave comments with other ideas and aspects of online communities that I've missed :-)
As a forum owner myself, please (please, please) anyone trying to get links from a forum, take time to integrate yourself into the forum before you do your thing. I've lost count of the number of newbies that join up, post their plug, expect us to be grateful, and sulk off when we're not.
Forums can be fantastic, indeed I believe they're kinda the focus of Seth Godin's new book, but they do require some time and effort (just as other social media do).
Absolutely - you must get involvement in the community!
I couldn't agree more AdiG. As an ethical SEO and heavy forum user myself I alwasy hate it when you see link spam.
Whenever I talk about using forums it's always essential to either strike a relationship with respected users or to integrate yourself into the community first. It's not about dropping a link and leaving it's about adding value. Everyone should bear that in mind!
This was such a refreshing thing to read on a Friday afternoon, especially after having worked until 4am last night and operated in zombie mode since.
It gave me lots of cool ideas for linkbait, such as designing community avatars, so I think I'll have fun with some of those over the weekend.
So thanks Tom, excellent post, looking forward to your next.
You read my mind! Especially going into an early morning proposal meeting on very very little sleep! I needed this badly :P
...followed later by a brief but very satisfactory browse of thinkgeek.com. When did I switch to this kind of pick-me-ups? :)
Great Post Tom.
I have to admit that I was wondering where you were going with this at the beginning. But I love your accent so I stayed with it.
I hadn't thought of these common threads between forums, but you're absolutely right.
I'm going to print out your list and post it on the wall so I can observe the trends and leverage my input.
Great ideas
Thanks
2+2 recently added the "digg this" and "stumble upon" links to the bottom of pages but for the most part users haven't adopted to using them.
For good photoshops see the thread in news, views, and gossip titled "If they never played poker". I've got a couple in there myself (same username as here).
And HU4ROLLZ????
Holla!
[x] 2+2 user posting on seomoz
[x] HU4ROLLZ challenge
[ ] link to 2+2 thread
It's awesome to see some overlap between the two communities though my head might assplode! I wonder if there's anymore 2+2 lurkers hanging around on the moz?
Oh, and HU4rollz? Anytime ;-)
Count me in as one of those 2+2 lurkers! It surprised me that you hadn't referenced Wickss, the famous taxi-driver who quit his job to play $3.40 SNGs for a living and earned major attention on the forum.
The strange that about that, is that he by far wasn't the first to yell something like that, but his topic 'got on fire' where similar topics just die out with one or two reactions like 'get a life'.
Wow - that one completely passed me by!! I tend to spend most time on the main strat forums than BBV etc so I do miss some of the best comedy threads :-)
Nice to see another 2+2 lurker around here! I'll let you guys know next time we're organising an SEO poker tournament
Hey nice breakdown....even without the digg button, I'm surprised that 2+2 hasn't made it to the digg homepage, I remember that site being the authority back in my Gamblor days...
[ ] Willing to access 2+2 from work when we have a stupid fortisguard firewal thing installed
[x] Linked to SEOMoz in one of the Business, Finance, Investing threads about website development/SEO
I think one of the bonds that holds a community together is passion for the subject matter.
I've been going to the 2+2 website for a very long time (first post in 1998) and still to this day I'm amazed how many people still post that have been registered for 3 or more years and how many people have post counts above 2,000. You just don't see that kind of stickyness in many communities.
2+2 is unique in that it is so heavily involved in the niche because they've been going for so long and also publish a lot of books.
I doubt there are many other forums (in other topics) that are so ingrained in their industry. (Though WMW might qualify in the webmaster space.)
With the occasional exception, poker sites don't fare well on Digg. I'm not sure why--maybe because of their overly commercial nature?
Completely agree, when i first got online way back when it was all about forums, BB's and communities. You can find them all over and they can be great fun!
1) Reputation management - these places whether its about saville row clothing (355,000 posts on shirts and ties?!) or military tactics (asking the Director of Comm's for the British Army "what do you think of Arse then?" is a classic moment)
2) Flaming & trolls- these often make a community - and they're certain members who everyone loves to hate - yet by virtue of their consistent arguement are loved (does perezhilton count as a troll?)
3) If you involve yourselves in the fan communities you can get really positive results for acknowledging them (no-one loves it more than when their brand/hero recognises them)
4) in jokes - if you can do a glossary or a newbies guide to "what the hell does FTW mean? why would i use that?" then thats helping out the newer members of said community and karma means those people will one day be legendary and remember you...
Great post, bit SEO bit Social - totally online!
Just been looking at Arrse and its a pretty nifty community site considering its done on a miniscule budget by army people - and thus many of these communities - you might not "get" what they talk about, but theyre passionate and hard working!
And posts on their forums rank really well!
I see your point - I think a forum could get out of hand if not managed. I have enjoyed technical support forums for years but the social forums have of late really become popular.
Sounds about right. I just realized that I've been in forums since '99 and now that I look back that seems insanely young since I was only 14ish.
There was one guy in the financial forum area who created so much flutter that people actually publish lists of forums where he's been banned. I also saw a website devoted to calling him dumb. I tried to figure out what the original controversy was about, but it was hard to find. It has something to do with safe retirement withdrawal rates....and when you step back it's kinda hilarious that people can get so worked up over them. I guess neither side could handle it.
I think having a forum might be fun, but I don't have the nerves to moderate it. But participating in mid-size forums has helped me meet new clients.
So Tom do you think these things only apply to forums or blog communities as well?
While a lot of the trends are typical of forums I'm speaking about online communitites in general - take SEOmoz for example. There's been plenty of in-jokes, photoshops and rivalries going round the place!
Great post Tom, as an owner of a 4m+ post, 45k+ user community, I can relate strongly to everything you wrote.
I can also relate to there being strong content on my site that nobody knows about. Even with my social bookmarking links on every thread, nobody uses them, so unless new users go to the site and search for things, some of the best content is never seen once the thread hits page 2. This irritates me but I dont know how to get the content pushed to the bookmark sites.
I'm liking the 2+2 forums! I'll be wasting time over the weekend on those now. I think there needs to be more SEO Poker tournaments!!
Very funny post. And very true. I've seen all of these points over and over at different forums that I visit.
This is a great post, I am trying to develop a community online targeting internet marketers. I am going after the novice beginner who is looking for some basic help in learning hwo to successfully promote online.
I like some of the branding ideas here.
Thanks,
very usefull points but i usually strugle when i come across the product like insurance etc where you can not talk much about fun i hate to be stayed serious
Do i smell a Forum Launch soon ? No i dont think so.Maybe some Good Addition/Features to Profile Section will do. :)
It's so true"
Jack https://seoapplied.blogspot.com/
Nice - and related, the other day I wrote on 10 marketing lessons i learned from 10,000 forum posts:
https://thefuturebuzz.com/2008/10/08/marketing-lessons-learned-from-message-boards-forums/