This is the pop-up I received whilst reading a message thread between myself and Julie Joyce, who claims that she didn't find my early-morning ramblings particularly spammy at all:
I read through a selection of items on Facebook's Warnings page which highlights some of the things you aren't meant to do with certain features. I did notice that some of its rules about how one is supposed to use its private messaging system are a little over the top, but I didn't think I'd been sending messages at quite the rate that would set of its spam warnings:
Facebook has determined that you were sending messages at a rate that is likely to be abusive. Please note that these blocks can last anywhere from a few hours to a few days. Unfortunately, we cannot lift the block for you.I am not the first person who has been unfairly warned or banned for various crimes. It seems as though you can be done for anything, including (apparently) refreshing a page too often or using the site's search feature too much. Good thing Twitter doesn't get upset at you for refreshing its pages, or I'd have been ousted when I put it on auto-refresh about a month ago.
Facebook has several features in place to limit the potential for abusive or annoying behaviors on the site. One of these features is a cap on the speed and frequency at which a user sends messages to other users.
I assumed that I'd been sending messages to Julie too quickly. We were using the message service as a Chat client, which is also apparently verboten. The problem with the stringent rules Facebook has on what you can do with its message services (and a whole lot of other features) is that those rules are carefully hidden. The warnings page isn't exactly easy to find. You can break their rules rather easily, it seems:
Please note that even if all of your conversations were legitimate interactions with friends, our message service is not a chat client, and should not be treated as such.This astounded me. You cannot tell me that my conversations are taxing the servers to breaking point and they'd be doing a lot better if I used their new Chat client or, better still, someone else's. Can you imagine this coming from Gmail? In my pissed-off state, I imagined it for you.
Surely it isn't a good practice to provide services and limit their usage in ways that most people wouldn't think of? Online, unless we're explicitly told, I think we tend to take the liberties of web services for granted. Go through the Warnings page: would you ever have thought that a couple of those things were against the rules? Surely the lesson here is that you shouldn't be surprised when people break your rules if your rules are a) hidden, and b) unintuitive.
However, when I stepped back from how pissed off I was, I could see why Facebook has some of the idiotic rules. (In my original draft, that sentence was in the present tense.) The company has a reputation as the home of privacy and purity online. Recent failures aside, its reputation as being relatively safe was deserved. There is another lesson here: once you start really angering your loyal users, they stop being loyal.
I politely emailed Support, inquiring about my warning. I didn't expect to hear back from them. You never hear back from companies like that, do you? The automated response you got from triggering the system is all you'll ever see.
Imagine my surprise when, almost twenty-four hours after my message to them, I received the following email:
"Hi Jane,
We are aware of the problem that you described and hope to resolve it as soon as possible. This warning is an error and you can ignore it without consequence. Sorry for any inconvenience. Let me know if you have any further questions.
Thanks for contacting Facebook,
Sydney
User Operations
Facebook"
I immediately had to delete about half of this post. To me, this looks like a real reply from an actual human being. This is very different to Rand's current communication with Twitter about the Twitter username "seomoz." As you can see, Twitter indicates that twitter.com/seomoz does not exist, but when we try to register it for our own use, the system tells us that the name is taken. Having contacted Twitter some days ago, Rand still hasn't heard back.
It's kind of sad that I'm impressed by the fact that I received a response from a real person. I've heard so many negative stories about what happens when you try and contact companies like Digg that I expected to be treated in a similar fashion. My only experience with contacting Facebook in the past was in 2005: I was researching online hate speech for a university project and wanted to include Facebook Groups in my discussion. I received responses back then, but the site is a different animal now to what it was three years ago.
I realise this is a little off-topic, but it highlights the connection between customer service and loyalty. The little episode also shows the dangers of creating rules that many people will unintentionally break whilst carrying out totally legitimate tasks.
Perhaps it's also a lesson in letting machines decide what constitutes spam (again, see the Warnings page for a full list of offenses. Some are totally legitimate. Others are questionable). Of course, from a search engine's perspective, they must rely on computers to go at fast speeds through data that a human could never begin to comprehend. In the space between Google and a site like SEOmoz, for example, sometimes a bit more human interpretation could be of use. For now, I'm thankful to Sydney from Facebook for not kicking me off. Although I'll wait a couple of minutes before I send Julie another message.
Imagine my surprise when, almost twenty-four hours after my message to them, I received the following email:
"Hi Jane,
We are aware of the problem that you described and hope to resolve it as soon as possible. This warning is an error and you can ignore it without consequence. Sorry for any inconvenience. Let me know if you have any further questions.
Thanks for contacting Facebook,
Sydney
User Operations
Facebook"
I immediately had to delete about half of this post. To me, this looks like a real reply from an actual human being. This is very different to Rand's current communication with Twitter about the Twitter username "seomoz." As you can see, Twitter indicates that twitter.com/seomoz does not exist, but when we try to register it for our own use, the system tells us that the name is taken. Having contacted Twitter some days ago, Rand still hasn't heard back.
It's kind of sad that I'm impressed by the fact that I received a response from a real person. I've heard so many negative stories about what happens when you try and contact companies like Digg that I expected to be treated in a similar fashion. My only experience with contacting Facebook in the past was in 2005: I was researching online hate speech for a university project and wanted to include Facebook Groups in my discussion. I received responses back then, but the site is a different animal now to what it was three years ago.
I realise this is a little off-topic, but it highlights the connection between customer service and loyalty. The little episode also shows the dangers of creating rules that many people will unintentionally break whilst carrying out totally legitimate tasks.
Perhaps it's also a lesson in letting machines decide what constitutes spam (again, see the Warnings page for a full list of offenses. Some are totally legitimate. Others are questionable). Of course, from a search engine's perspective, they must rely on computers to go at fast speeds through data that a human could never begin to comprehend. In the space between Google and a site like SEOmoz, for example, sometimes a bit more human interpretation could be of use. For now, I'm thankful to Sydney from Facebook for not kicking me off. Although I'll wait a couple of minutes before I send Julie another message.
I know what you mean. Just a few days ago, I caught this little diddy on Twitter... ;)
Yes, I should get rid of that now. Although I stand by my initial sentiment that some of their rules are self-important and idiotic!
Just teasing ya! I can imagine how ticked off you must have been. Anyone that reads your posts knows what an EVANGELIST you've been for facebook.
They should have you on a subscriber commission plan.
Great post btw.
Jane -
The rules are made by 25 year olds who only care about consumers as an aggregate.
Worse, they hav passed through the corporate equivalent of a duck (legal) on their way to the website.
So add inexperience and paranoia together and you get bad customer service and harsh and inexplicable rules.
My advice is to never depend on anything you don't pay for. :-)
-OT
I never said I depended on it. As nice a service as it is, I'd find something to take its place.
Well said! OT!
Wow, what is this, "Customer Service Wednesday" ? I literally just authored a post on a similar subject wrt automated versus human responses!!
An enjoyable quasi-rant, as always :) I particularly love the hidden, unintuitive rules that big companies are always touting in their automated responses.
To: davidmihm
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Subject: Your recent comments to Jane Copland
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You... you are hereby crowned king of the comment thread... that is too good. Christ, I am still laughing. Ha!
Dear "Rand" :
I guess I should have read your Terms of Service more closely before joining your website. I assume all posts by Jane Copland must be considered full-on rants?
I appreciate you transferring my membership directly so I don't have to deal with any more "customer service."
I do have one request before I leave: please inform member 'seanmag' to stop posting comments at an abusive rate.
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Jane - You're too kind.
The reason I'm so addicted to SEOmoz is that between the qual-shazz you and Rebecca put out, coupled with the comments of everyone else - there's just so much material to work with.
The SEO industry in general is a comedian's (or goofball in my case), dream.
@David - grt comeback. I'm sure there's a donotreply auto-response waiting in your inbox. ;)
Edit - crossed paths with Jane's reply. Classic!
@Jane + @Seanmag:
I'd like to say this is a case of great minds thinking alike, but I've met both of you personally...
Can't wait to get my a$$ over to smackdown.blogsblogsblogs where I can comment without fear of abusive txt messages charged at standard rates. I'll go ahead and call 206-867-5309 to cancel. Surely that forwards all calls to the appropriate representative.
Oi! The mouse was hovering over the thumbs down for that one ;)
That number now redirects to Rebecca's phone (can you 301 a phone line? I always thought you should be able to, at least).
I know, you should definitely be able to 301 a phone number, but apparently you can't, at least with cell phones after asking four different carriers last month. Landlines may be a different matter.
I am sure Rebecca would love to take calls from disgruntled community members all day long. Does she answer "SEOmoz, this is Jenny, how can I help you?" :)
@davidmihm - crazy strange. I was in a bar in downtown Austin tonight and wouldn't you know that same damn phone number was above the urinal under the title "For a crazy bitchin' time call..."
@coplandmj - you are crazy bitchin! ;) P.S. It's "Oy" - get with the program.
I'm going with the Wiki on this one ;)
Well then - I stand corrected! I assumed that you were going with the Yiddish short for "Oy Vey". Damn those Wikis!
Great post, and not just because I, too, experienced the terror of a potential Facebook ban with you. I like when people can admit that something was an error.
Yeah, I like his reply. Not often you get a "sorry", either.
I remember once reading an article in the consumer help section of The Guardian (British newspaper) which ended with the journalist printing the phone number of the Amazon UK customer service department, which Amazon refuses to show to customers, but which is common knowledge amongst journalists. Until I upggraded phones a while back it was one of my most prized posessions.
They kept the same number after it was outed?
I don't actually know as, sod's law, once I had the number I never had reason to use it.
It that works, I wish someone would give me Comcast's direct number too :)
Great post, Facebook is just trying to be more stringent than Myspace so user's dont have to deal with spamming problems they do on myspace. But I totally agree that facebook needs to better define what spamming is on there website because rightnow user's are complely clueless.
Hi Jane
First of all sorry for my english.
I had the same problem in facebook... for send message to my contacts personalized and with an url... facebook told me that i was spamming when i was inviting my friends to a party.
The Facebook idea is that users must make collective messages to our friends but i love my friends and i like to ask about their lives, their family, etc... and each message is personalized.
Facebook told me that they sent this message because they have detected an unusual activity with this messages.... it's logic... my birthday is once in a year. Boh!!!
I would like to have a better english to told all what i want to say in spanish... ufff... I hope improve it in order to be able to talk "por los codos"... (is what we say in spain)
Jane, I know how it feels when some one calls you a spammer when you are not.
Few days ago, I got this message from Rebecca telling me that some had complained that I was spamming seomoz. But the truth is that, even if I had to, seomoz will be the last website on www I would like to spam. I only sent 3 private messages to 3 seomozers including Rebecca to get a broader vision on link building practices that people use. Even though Rebecca replied to my query generously after I made my point clear that I was no spammer, but I did felt a little embarrassed from the incident :(
Hi there! I'm a big fan of facebook and love how I've reconnected with so many good friends. I've recently had my profile disabled for persistant misuse of a feature (which turned out to be search) After many letters, days later my account was reactivated but it included accusatory statements hinting that I had been warned on several occasions to slow down using specific features. The only warning I received was one on my yahoo address and 2 seconds later the disable notice.
Not wanting to have this ever happen again I politely asked them what is considered persistant misuse, what features will warrant a warning..(Is looking through your friends photos, or at friends profiles, or friends of friends?) What is their warning process? And do they have a policy or guidlines for handling customer complaints.
But I've been told that if I get another warning, that's it for me and facebook. Tout finis.. now I'm almost a paranoid facebooker.. scared at any press of a button that's it for me..
Sadly they've refuse to answer any of my questions.. so I started researching a bit. getsatisfaction.com has quite a few unhappy facebook users or abusers.. that have quite a bit to say. And it seems customer service is not something facebook has to offer..
I've heard stories like this from a number of sources and it's too bad Facebook haven't responded to everyone like they did to me. Can I ask how you were using the search feature? I find it astonishing that over-use of search could result in a warning or a ban.
I am loving your rant, I received a similar message from Facebook the other week saying that I'd been sending too many messages with similar content. As I was just starting to use Facebook in earnest and had only sent about 5 messages ever I was somewhat indignant. I immediately wrote them a lengthy angry email, but then decided to give them the benefit of the doubt for a first offence. I know how similar emails from users of the site I work on annoy me, especially since we're usually already aware of the problem and working to fix it. I'm very impressed that you got a real reply back. I tried to contact Bebo about a problem a few months ago and got a ridiculous automated response that barely even related to my query, let alone answered it.
I like what you say about writing an angry email and then deciding against sending it. I was torn between a "Come on, are you kidding me?"-style message and what I actually sent. We have some perspective because we know what it's like to get angry emails from people about things we're aware of or can't fix ourselves. Imagine how many angry messages the customer service staff actually get?
The simple fact that almost everyone has these frustrating experiences makes me really wonder why companies don't invest a little effort in keeping people happy.
I see that effort often in small organizations, but I guess the big boys can't do it.
Particularly galling are cable/internet providers. Oh, if I only had hundreds of billions of dollars to build my own network...
Is there reason to hope that Google will end up providing wireless internet and cable tv at low cost with good service? Too much to ask?
Actually, your last thought wouldn't surprise me at all...
Yikes! This happened to me yesterday, too. Is Facebook trying to force me to contact them, is that the only solution?
I think it's a site-wide error they're experiencing right now. You could try messaging them to be on the safe side, although from the sounds of my message's reply, you can ignore the warning.
They've mastered customer service, maybe now they can handle technical issues like the consistent lack of speed on their site.
You have speed troubles? I've never had any problems; in fact, it's usually really fast. Whereabouts are you located?
I'm located in Australia.
It's not a constant issue but more times then not when I'm using the site it will hang. Maybe it's some sort of localised server or cache causing the slow down.
Great graphic there. I appreciate that you took the time to make it!
The Gmail one? Ha, I'm no Photoshop master and I made it while I was angry, but I enjoyed myself.
You know they could have mitigated the damage by using more diplomatic language in the warning pop up.
If instead of: "You are using this feature to spam other users."
They had said something like:"It appears that you might be using this feature to spam other users. Please refer to the rules for this feature at .... to avoid unintentional violation..."
First rule of customer service - Treat customers like you would like to be treated not like commodities or statistics.
Reminds me of the DMV.
Completely agree. In fact, in my original draft, before I received their reply, I'd written this:
Really, despite the fact that I'm no longer pissed off, I stand by this. If you're 100% sure you've caught someone taking part in abusive or spammy actions, by all means tell them off. But they obviously rely on computers to detect spam and computers are notoriously unreliable.
I hope they re-word the warning.
hm, this seems odd that you would post this just as I recently revisted my Facebook account to find a new feature "Facebook Chat", (similar to Google Chat)? This seems to be what they are trying to have people shift their fast-passed conversations toward to help on server overload I'm guessing.
Only disadvantage is that I don't think the Chat service records the conversation.
I write about Chat in my post. I simply do not feel that they have the right to force certain methods of communication on us, and you can't include multiple friends in single chat sessions.
ah - my bad. I must have skipped over that bit to the clever gMail image. Rands new post can explain this well... haha