I read two blog posts this week that touch on a fascinating subject, and both are worthy of perusal:
- How Google Profiles SEOs from Wolf Howl
- Google Openly Profiles SEOs as Criminals from Outspoken Media
The basic premise is that Google's web spam team, a division of their search quality unit, is especially aggressive about researching the backgrounds & projects of individuals in the SEO and webmaster space. These "operators of interest" have their activities monitored with greater scrutiny than the web community as a whole, and find that the rules/standards may be applied quite differently to their websites and web marketing efforts than those of their less "on the SEO radar" peers.
As it turns out, the subject of these particular anecdotes, Michael Gray's Viral Conversations and Rae Hoffman's BBGeeks.com, are not alone. SEOmoz itself has, several times, come under similar scrutiny and requests. Several years ago, for example, we were warned by a representative from one of the major engines that maintaining live links on our user profile pages would cause potential problems. To compensate for this, we shifted policy so that only after earning 100 mozpoints (garnered through commenting, thumbs and submission of YOUmoz posts) would we remove the nofollow from the external profile link (see, for example, Rishi Lakhani, whose earned a live link through his terrific participation).
We were recently also asked to remove Google's PageRank score from our SEOmoz toolbar. We have an update coming in early August that will take that functionality out of our mozBar, but add some other cool features to make up for the loss. Obviously, many thousands of companies and organizations employ PageRank in their toolbar and applications, but because SEOmoz falls under an "operators of interest" designation, we're likely to continue to receive scrutiny of this kind.
I strongly suspect that Google gets a lot of perceived value from this endeavor in at least one of two ways (and possibly both):
- The 80/20 Rule of Spam: 80% of the manipulation that hurts Google's results is caused by 20% of the manipulative SEOs. This 20% likely has some correlation with the "operators of interest." By keeping tabs on some meaningful chunk of the manipulators, Google can prevent a portion from affecting their results.
- Public Relations: I'd venture a guess that 50% of active SEOs keep abreast of where, when and how Google takes action against their peers and the messaging they send out. Much of the other 50% hears the most important of these "through the grapevine." When big targets are taken down or warned, it filters out into the broader sphere of search marketing. The recent flap on PageRank Sculpting is an excellent example - a single interview answer during an event led to companies considering changing their entire implementation of a long-held best practice.
Personally, I think that while it's valid to register dissatisfaction with the inequity of how the rules are applied, these complaints are unlikely to have a meaningful impact on the way Google does business. Instead, I think that this topic presents a number of takeaways for business owners and SEO operators:
- Decide Whether it Pays to Become a "Well-Known" SEO
Reputation in the search marketing field is excellent for growing your potential client base, getting more and better job opportunities, increasing your networking potential and, of course, boosting external social validation (the pinnacle of Maslow's Hierarchy and an udeniable human quality). However, it can hurt how Google perceives the "intent" of your marketing activities. Link building practices that could pass for "buzz building" might be considered manipulative and straying into gray/black hat territory is likely to be considered "purposeful" and thus subject to longer, harsher penalization (since Google presumes you "know what you're doing"). - If Your Company Engages an SEO, Make a Smart Disclosure Decision
At SEOmoz, we request that our clients provide references and public testimonials (and permit us to use them in case studies). As a result, we have to be exceptionally careful about all the SEO initiatives that we recommend. CSS badges with "almost" matching anchor text isn't good enough. Footer links with optimized anchors are a danger zone. Rewarding user-generated content with links in a blatantly/manipulatively messaged fashion is off the table. Link buying? Forget about it. Many other tactics fall into this arena. We, along with many well-known, transparent SEO companies have to abide by a stricter set of rules than those who operate behind the veil of non-disclosure. - If You're "On the Radar," Carefully Consider Your Projects
Many of the most well-known gray/black hat SEO operators choose very competitive niches that are high risk and high reward. These folks regularly complain that they receive undue scrutiny compared to others in the same field. And while, yes, it's unfair that Google penalized your site and links and left your equally spammy competitor unscathed, it's also to be expected. Operators of Interest are like the daughter that's always getting into trouble. Sure, her sister might have been equally late after curfew on Saturday night, but she doesn't have a history of mischief. - Think About Intent Wherever You Practice SEO
Google's Terms of Service and public messages are merely the beginning of the "rules to play by." It may be frustrating to imagine a massive, unspoken set of guidelines by which you must abide in the SEO field, but if you can justify your moves with the mantra "I'm doing this for engines, not users" and the caveat "I'd happily show this process to someone on Google's web spam team," you'll be much safer in the long run. - Prepare for Greater Scrutiny in Competitive Arenas
Operating in the PPC world (Porn, Pills and Casinos)? Or even the high-value, high visibility verticals one echelon below these (travel, finance, online education, web hosting, etc.)? Prepare to have both greater competition and a greater incentive to spam (because many others are engaging in it). Unfortuately, if you're an "Operator of Interest," these fields are even more challenging because you need to maintain anonymity or stick closer to the guidelines than your lesser-known peers. - Plan to Be "Reported" for any Gray/Black Hat Activity
Google receives many, many thousands of spam reports, both through webmaster tools and their public spam report form every month (maybe every week at this point). While the SEO world complains bitterly about those who talk about manipulative practices on their blogs, the vast majority of all spam reports are known only to Google (and are certainly far more damaging, more specific and more useful) than what happens in the public blogosphere. It's in the interests of your competitors to spam report you - and the more visible you are, the greater the chances you'll be reported. At every conference I've ever been to, representatives from Google receive in-person spam reports from SEOs - this is not a unique practice and those who would engage in anything that crosses the line should expect to get reported.
Hopefully, this information/advice will help make you better at understanding the risks and benefits of publicity and of Google's operations in the realm of web spam. I'll make a rare theologic reference:
Grant to us the serenity of mind to accept that which cannot be changed; courage to change that which can be changed, and wisdom to know the one from the other.
I don't think we (the SEO community) can change Google's approach to web spam or the ways in which they apply standards differently to different parties, but I do think we can accept it as the way things are and use that knowledge to make better decisions about how we do our jobs.
BTW - I don't want to suggest that I or SEOmoz is upset about being on an "operators of interest" list. Many great privileges accompany the increased scrutiny and we're both grateful and humbled by the opportunities and kindnesses shown to us across the search community.
"Many great privileges accompany the increased scrutiny" .... ugh.... one of the only thing good about being an "operator of Interest" is getting more business becaue of a name that's been built up... being above the google radar sucks.. who wants everything they do, or every link they get to be looked at with scrutiny with someone trying to guess my intent?
If I gave away hundreds of phones...or even hot fudge, I'd be a link criminal just because of who I am... but if I were bob jones from from some pr department I'd be a hero and no one would give it a second thought.
LOL. Hot fudge for links, I love it. It's all about "Intent", right, so if you were giving away hot fudge to the homeless and picked up a few links from the local newpaper... Matt would probably still sound his Evil SEO Alarm
The silence from Matt Cutts is deafening. This indicates a screaming confirmation of Google's internal SEO blacklist.
I envision many sneaky SEOs are thinking:
"As a supporter of comprehensive SEO freedom measures, I was deeply disappointed when I discovered my name was not on the list,"
to paraphrase Dustin Hoffman
5 Easy Steps To Avoid Google SEO Profiling
1. Always use separate identities to register your seo company sites/blogs and other commercial/affiliate websites.
2. Use different hosting companies
3. Never, and I mean NEVER use the same Google Webmaster Tools/Analytics logins to manage multiple sites.
4. Use VMWare + VPN tunnels and Proxies to access your numerous Google webmaster tools/analytics accounts
5. Use different “SEO Signatures” - Vary your html/css/wp templates and onpage seo techniques slightly between sites
1 continued.... and buy them from different locations. the registers look at ip's as well... and if you bought multiple domains from the same ip, it's you.
Nice one, Jim!
As long as you use clean VMWare installations with VPN tunnels, Proxies or Free Wifi locations to set things up, you should be ok.
Hmmm, can they see our MAC address and CPU Id?
Almost forgot the most important one:
DO NOT install Google Desktop and Google Toolbar.
Those are definitely good tips to avoid Google SEO profiling. Thumbs up for the useful comment.
I have to wonder though, is it really necessary to go to the trouble? I personally don't mind if Google profiles me. I'm not trying to do anything deceptive with my SEO work. I'm trying to optimize my sites for better rankings, which generally means I'm optimizing them for a better user experience, which is exactly what Google wants.
Google can profile me all they want. They'll just see that I'm working to better define my pages with appropriate keyword targeting, making my sites easier for the GoogleBot to crawl, and developing/promoting quality content that attracts links.
I am fascinated by the request to remove PR from the moz toolbar. I am still struggling to see what that will achieve. In some cases I can subscribe to the 80:20 rule argument that specific targeting cuts out a vast majority of the problem, but is that really the case here? There are so many tools to show PR that no-one savvy enough to have your toolbar is going to go without (even without installing the G bar).
My guess is... Google wants to be the only source of PR data. After all, if SEOs can get PR from the Moz toolbar, then they might ditch the Google toolbar entirely... and then Google wouldn't be able to track our high-risk SEO criminal activities.
My guess is that Moz toolbar (actually every toolbar showing G PR) is requesting directly G servers, not through seomoz servers as a proxy. If that's true there are not much differences between having moz or google toolbar.
Can someone from Moz toolbar dev-team explain how exactly PR value comes to our screens?
Interesting that they asked you to remove it - as SEOBook's toolbar (which i also use) also shows PageRank - as well as hitting up Yahoo and others for more data than the moz bar!
As to how? I guess it manually pings google for each page to find out pagerank, not as if dozens of tools (webceo, advanced web ranking etc) dont do that for 1000's of pages in a go....
Darren -
Are you the keymaker?
Do I have to watch The Matrix to understand that reference?
Have they contacted Aaron Wall at SEObook as well then? His toolbar also features the ubiquitous PageRank box...
Excellent post Rand :)
However, I was a little confused by:
"I'm doing this for engines, not users"
Is that a mistake? Did you mean:
"I'm doing this for users, not engines."
Or have I missed your point?
we should all google bomb michael gray for "operator of interest". . . he he
Hey look... it's the serenity prayer! First it helped me overcome my addiction to drugs and alcohol (at least that's what the judge believed), and now it's helping me cope with the realization that I polish turds for a living! Yay!
Google is the Devil. A very large, data driven, results oriented hell beast that I wanna chest bump everyday for helping me get a paycheck.
So who's the axis of evil here? The search engines or the SEOs? Or is this a case of keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer?
I think it makes sense though. If you are a big business, you keep a close eye on a list of competitors and their every move. While I wouldn't consider SEOs as "competition" to a search engine, I would venture as far to say that this is an adaptation of that common business practice.
"...While I wouldn't consider SEOs as "competition"
maybe "antagonists"?
I think "adversaries" is more apt :) https://airweb.cse.lehigh.edu/
I think the replies from SpanishNick and seomuscle show two sides of the same coin (though obviously from extremely different perspectives and experience-levels). Both responses assume we are trying to hide something or trick Google in some way. So many people out there look at SEO in the same way. And maybe I sound like an idealist but this is how I fundamentally see SEO...
As an SEO, my job is to help Google in its quest to serve relevant search results to the searchers who want them. Put even more simply, I try to match relevant searches to relevant websites. Google's algorithm is not perfect and can't do it without the help of real people. It's my job to help Google figure out which sites are relevant for which searches. Not to trick them into serving bad search results so their searchers can find my crap websites and leave right away.
I agree and you very much had the views of my ex seo person and views I share but maybe for more selfish reasons is we are current number 9 for Spanish property in a very competitive enviroment with our rivals spending fortunes either in seo or time and from my point of view I wouldnt want to do anything that would effect our ranking badly.
The other interesting thing is if google actually went and looked at the sites in the top 10 for the search only our site, The move chanel and Kyero would probably get the vote, there are a lot of sites that have been built to get google ranking but I doubt they get quality leads from it.
Anyone who wants to comment on the last bit our site is Spanish Hot Properties and should be number 9 on that search
Firstly, I fully agree with everything you wrote here. But I'd like reiterate what I wrote on Michael Grays Post (in the Sphinn comments) and on Lisa Barone's post here in a few more words.
I think Google is also targeting the "High Profile" SEOers out there because they serve as their own personal blowhorns. Add up all the unique followers on Twitter, Facebook and the RSS readers and every time Michael Gray or Outspoken Media rants about Google practices that have affected them, they're broadcasting the guidelines that Google enforce. They're a great medium for Google to get the message out. I'm sure if everyone went quiet about Google penalties for a few months, you would see Google change their strategy on that end (or maybe not :-) ).
By holding high profile SEOs to higher standards, Google can use minimal resources to influence large numbers of SEOs to "follow the rules." People like Rand and Graywolf and others who engage in a lot of public discussion over social media are very influential to the online marketing community. I don't mean to say these high profile names are pawns in Google's game or anything like that. But it is similar in some ways to an SEO using a prominent blogger to get a piece of link bait seen by a lot of eyeballs by giving the blogger an "exclusive."
I thought this was an interesting area of discussion, however people tend to take this all very personnally - and thus distort the discussion.
My issue is that Google arent really "profilling" seo's - if they were then they'd be building databases showing all the users of Moz, Sphinn, SearchEngineLand etc, collecting Twitter names, links on profiles, which IP address's do Site: or Link: searches and scientiffically "profilling" people. Which they're not.
What they are doing is as you've said - paying attention to a few high profile people and their work - and yes just as in any industry, from crime to sport - people find ways to bend the rules, and the higher profile people tend to get slapped down to make an example -
as everyone pays more attention to
"holy smoke batman - Google b#tch slapped Obama!"
than
"oh its only bob next door that had to 'think of England' whilst Google re-arranged him - it'll never happen to me"
That was my thought at first too. But then I created my first Google profile. Instantly there was a list of "sites that we think belong to you. Just click to add to your profile! Oh, btw, we found these using our User Grid data. (smiley)" - I was scared shitless because I aparantly wasn't careful enough covering my tracks for a lot of my projects. Even sites I worked on years ago for clients were showing up. There were several sites missing (which I could have easily added, wink wink) but the ones they linked me to was a complete wake up call.
That's why I have my user identity as my dogs picture with a made up name. To stay anonymous and under the radar.
Then again I've never been in danger of being an "operator of interest" and am never likely to be.
I saw both blogs earlier this week because they're high up in my reader, and at the time, I was pretty ticked.
But with brutal honesty, I have to admit that if I had a similar charge that the folks at Google have -- namely to continue convincing the world that their search relevancy justifies their market share -- then I would likely be doing the same things.
To me, Rand, one of the most important things you brought up was INTENT. I'm quite aware from personal experience that an engine may take action regardless of intent, but constantly performing as a gray hat (forget black, stick with gray for a minute) is likely part of the decision process. I have to believe it's certainly part of any reinclusion process.
Marketers must cajole, convince, persuade and manipulate regardles of the media in which they work. That doesn't mean they can't follow best practices. They should, and those who don't deserve whatever reputation that develops as well as losing the benefit of doubt when human intervention occurs.
Would have loved to hear the argument behind this request, Rand.
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Edited because I also wanted to add a link to another post talking about the issue as I found it a worthwhile read... David Harry's piece: "SEOs are not criminals - they are the enemy!"
Reason is simple and obvious, that feature is only feature SEO people use google toolbar... less toolbars less insight in what is going on at least among noobs, starters...
just like to echo the sentiments of the others here.. you've got to empathise with Google a bit here... its a logical if slightly harsh way to enforce the unenforceable!
I can see what you're driving at Alex but it doesn't excuse the 'one size fits all' mentality. White hat SEO agencies adhere to Google's guidelines and promote good content for users not engines. After all, that's how to rank a site in Google as they have stated many, many times.
If all SEO agencies were white hat Google would be laughimg, because every site on page one would be extremely relevant, populated with interesting, good content and extremely useful to the searcher.
instead however they take the opposing view that every SEO is just chasing the yankee dollar and promoting rubbish to the top of the SERPS.
It doesn't take a genius to see the inconsistency non?
Rand,
You need to make an "Operator of Interest" Badge. Is there anyway to see who is on the list?
Ryan
Let's also not forget that Google has your client data in Google Webmasters Tools and can compare what you did on each. It is not clear whether they use this information to fight web spam, but if it was my company I would.
This was the first thing I thought of too!
This was the first thing I thought of too!
That is precisely why I don’t use GWT or browse while logged in.
Great point. I didn't realize this until now, but I'll have to be more aware of it in the future.
Very helpful post and comments. Thanks!
All of the above...
It doesn't make it easy when the rules are uncertain, ever changing, and if an engine doesn't like the way you play, they take thier ball and go home... "fair" is determined by whomever makes the rules, right? I suppose if I wanted consistency I should have become an accountant...
As for "operators of interest" - If you can't stand the hate, get out of the spotlight (Thanks Eminem!)
Can't believe I JUST stumbled on this.
Nice analysis Rand. Good advice. :)
DD
I was making joke with my friends from webmaster/SEO community that google is making our profiles based on our web crawl history, we all have google toolbar, so they know what we might know and whom too. Also gmail users communication is monitored and in our file we have checkboxes like Rand learned to :
[ x ] spam forum with signatures
[ x ] makes first spam blog
[ x ] has over 50 spam blogs
[ x ] participate in link exchanges and trades
[ x ] do keyword stuffing
[ x ] knocking
[ x ] bought hist first links
[ x ] got in contact with a, b, c, d... link providers
etc.
Best post I've read here in a while. I like it alot.
Does anyone if they look at AdWords My Client accounts?
Many of us take on a client and do SEO and PPC, so this would be a way of finding new sites that an "SEO Target" is working on.
The AdWords and natural search team are separate, but I wonder how separate?
Great and Interesting Post Rand,
Didn't know that Google have a special team force for fighting manipulations. But this should be obvious. All job can't be done by algorithms only. Probably all web services ranking on first page of SERPS for high competitive words in Adwords should expect to be on the special list of interest. (You are ranking for SEO well as known).
I enjoy reading your posts, keep up the excellent job
I have been practicing SEOz over the past few years now and I am still learning. But I have noticed something similar to what you just have mentioned Rand. after going through the post and comments I must say guys :P this could be a trouble .. maybe not now but soon. goodluck with ur work .. Google gives you something but take alot too :)
I think WMT is a trap :D lol
This is a really interesting post Rand, I have to agree with a comment above from Jlbraaten that you are "a gentleman and ambassador to the field".
It is a shame that SEOs are not profiled by the 'Web Liasison Team' or the 'Friends of Good Content Team' but I guess the Black Hatters have a formidable track record which needs to be addressed.
Google do seem to occasionally move toward a dictatorial approach to content however; they on the one had say the internet is turning into a 'cesspool' of useless information which requires established brands and experts to stand as bastions of truth like pillars from the mire.
They claim we should adopt a 'by the people for the people' approach to the web then change their minds and tell us we suck at making sites and that they will tell us what's what.
It seems a slightly inconsistent approach which as many people have noted seems to be an attempt to regulate content more effectively. I can't see an easy way to do that though...
Now that I've drifted wildly from the point, excellent and thought provoking post sir.
Thats a veyr good post but Google need to take a long hard look at themselves when they talk about the web being saturated by dross and poor content.
Just take a look at Spanish property and the content of some of the sites in the top 10 and the look of their sites for the users experience. They have been built to rank high at google. Kyero being a property portal and a very good site is righlty number one but some of the other sites just have pages of dross on them to give them content and some real interesting content sittes with PR5 like spanish property insight dont get in the top 10.
I can only speak about this part of the web but it wouldnt suprise me if that was the case in other areas. If Google really want to reward site with valuable content they need to look at how they anaylise sites for content.
As always Rand stays calm and rational, great, timely post.
I think a lot of in-house seo's are getting way too freaked out by all the blog activity about this. If you stay white hat, don't worry until you have a reason... Agency people of course might want to think about seomuscle's advice. It seems a bit extreme to me unless you put on gray/black hats for some work.
It seems to me as though most seo's live with some kind of panic syndrome, which is understandable due to the nature of the job. Last year: "Ack! MUST use pagerank/link sculpting with nofollows to maximize pagerank!!!" This year: "Ack! MUST not be profiled as SEO! MUST remove all pagerank/link sculpting with nofollows!!!"
Freaking out and wildly making changes is always a bad way to go.
As someone that ran as a liberal candidate in the last Canadian Federal Election all I can say is that you can always judge the quality and level of your success by the enemies you make along the way.....
Congratulations on being the best at what you do SeoMoz....
im just curious if Google spam team will ever implement a way to tell novice website owners when banned what they did wrong so they can fix the problem. Not everyone is out to fool a search engine they are just new..green..learning!
"Operator of Interest "sounds too much like "Person of Interest" in a crime investigation...
Eek,
Big brother is watching!
Surely Google can not take any real action unless you are doing something "illegal" ?
I guess Google is attempting to protect the white and route out the balck ? hmmm
@Bradley, it's their index - ultimately they can remove whichever sites they wish from it. Legal doesn't come into it :)
Some really great advice in this post, as others have said - I can't really blame Google for it - after all I'd probably do the same. The lack of transparency makes it difficult to work with sometimes but I think this is something we all knew anyway on some level. It's been around since at least the Matt Inman widgetbait fiasco.
That's exactly what I was thinking. When Matt Inman (not to be confused with that other Matt) was open enough to give us the low down on what he had gone through (Thanks again Matt) I began thinking of the "Finger Prints" we leave as we go about the business of SEO in our own way.
The data available with LinkScape backed up my suspicions.
So as an SEO do we need a warning label (like a pack of smokes) because we made contact with and regularly visit that hub of all suspect activity, SEOmoz?
If you come up with a new SEO tool, does that put you on the "Most Wanted" list? (I am imagining a post office wall at Google headquarters with our avatars on it)
Then we have to decide to try to stay small enough to be under the radar or go big and "Damn the torpedo's!"
Here's another piece of food for thought... The more Google tries to isolate and punish sites that use their own rules and guidelines to improve visibility in relevant searches, the more risk it runs of corrupting its own search results. With Bing coming up with more conventional results, Yahoo not yet dead and who knows what college student dreaming of being the next Search Engine Billionaire it only takes a few disappointing results before Google starts to slip away from dominance.
I think Google should be more worried than we are.
As sure as my name is Darren Slatten.
Hey, wait a minute... you're not Darren...
Yes, I am. Only I Darren Slatten, World's Greatest SEO, would be so bold as to challenge Google to a smack down!
(How do you type the sound of an Evil Laugh?)
This was extremely informative for me and actually makes me wonder about a good deal of competition that i have personally seen recently...
It definitely gives me some things to consider with some of my upcoming summer side projects, thanks for the great post Rand.
I wonder if SEO companies and agencies will think twice about listing their clients on their website?
It is always fun to see Mountain View in my Google Analytics geolocation reports.
My goodness, Rand. You're such a gentleman and ambassador to the field. You go at lengths to show how persecuted you've become and follow it up with a big ol' "Thanks!"
That's class.
Hmmm...I understand their strategy...word of mouth seems to be the way to go for SEO consulting.
As far as nofollow goes, I think it is way overrated. I have experimented with sites using nofollow and have never seen a big enough impact to worry with it to much.
I can not believe they told you to nofollow your profiles. Those guys are something else.
I have my own site and due to circumstances I am now doing the SEO of the site myself and read the article with great interest and the obvious question being would I be better off not using seomoz tools to help with my seo in that if i am not using any professional tools then google wont see me as trying to seo my site. The other queston here is can google tell if I am using seomoz tools. Obviously if google can tell and it is a detriment to people like me its not that good for seomoz business
Somehow google needs to limit the noise and although I cannot say they are effective in their strategy or identification of high profile SEO's, I can say they act somewhat randomly.[I have the sites to prove it, thin sites and deep alike]
There are so many garbage results in the searches they return [nice Bing ad btw] that they are forced to recognize and act, even when misguided.
I find it very interesting that Google supplies feeds for parking companies. And, that Google would open up their own parking service [royal pain in the butt to set up]. So much for relevant results for good user experience.
Serioulsy though, how many sites and PPC ads does Google think SEO's control and are trying to game. So little of a percentage that one can only surmise Google is chasing a unicorn.
Dear Google, focus on delivering better results and trim your Lab's offerings IMHO
Jeff Selig
BostonMediaDomain.com
SEO, SEM, SMO
"Footer links with optimized anchors are a danger zone."
I did not know this. Prompted me to look into footer links a bit more. This is a great article on footer links being devalued, but nothing about it being a "danger zone". I couldn't find anything about the dangers of optimized anchor text in footer links.
Rand: Could you clarify what you mean by "danger zone"? Are you saying there is a potential penalty for this? Can you point to any case studies that have demonstrated this?
Thanks!
Id also be very intereted to know the answer to this as my site probably has more footer links than several sites put together but i always thought they were good for the user to navigate a webiste with over 10000 properties and 1000 different cities. any feed back would be appreciated, if you want to see my horror show its at https://www.spanishhotproperties.com/
Yeah - we've actually seen a number of sites get penalized by Google for using a high number of links in their footers that are obviously for SEO - long anchor text phrases, small fonts, not highly ledgible, etc.
We recommend they're removed, the site owner takes them off and presto! The next time Google spiders them, the penalty is gone, meaning it must be algorithmic simply based on the manipulative footers. I obviously cn't say where the limit is, but since we've seen it, we've been suggesting that if you want to use good internal linking, you do it in the header, the sidebar or the content of the page - footers just seem like a danger zone.
Thanks for the follow-up Rand. This is a great new piece of information to be aware of.
Rand, everyone,
This is a great discussion, question about algo based penalties, would you say that the penalty for abusing anchor text of incoming links ratio is also based on algorithm? And if, what is the safe yet most effective ratio? Also, what other known/tested algorithm based penalties are there? Thanks
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Did someone say irony?
Nothing says "I totally missed the concept," more than this.
@Stuartpt it really makes you wonder if they can even read. I don't think "irony" alone covers it. Maybe "ironically erroneous."
Or even better yet sly-grr, erratically and irretrievably ironically erroneous.