Example #1: The "Manual 301" Click
The other day I was looking at graduate school options offered by the University of Washington (the alma mater of me and at least 1/4 of my coworkers). I've previously blogged about my consideration of going back to school to obtain an MBA, and every so often I still consider doing it. Our COO and lawyer, Sarah, has often said that she thinks I'd make a good lawyer (maybe it's because I argue with Rand a lot? ;P), and she recently told me about the UW's concurrent degree program whereby one could get a law degree and an MBA at the same time. I decided to check it out out of curiosity's sake. Here's the UW's Graduate School's program offerings page:
I clicked on the "School of Law" link and was taken to this page:
Instead of automatically redirecting me to the School of Law's new homepage, the page let me sit there and stare at the link until I finally sighed and clicked on it. Not only would implementing a 301-redirect be beneficial to users and reduce that extra click, it would move nearly 70 links over to the new homepage. Granted, our own site, SEOmoz.org, has a "Click here to continue" prompt whenever you save changes to your user profile or a blog post, but we also automatically direct you to the appropriate page after a few seconds (which I never wait for because I'm impatient):
Example #2: The "Joke's On You--That's Not Clickable!" Click
The next couple examples are courtesy of our own site, lovely little SEOmoz.org. Our recent site redesign resulted in a new side-navigation box that runs along the blog. Several times I have fallen victim to clicking on the little plus sign bullet point icon that sits to the left of my user name and the main navigational categories because I think they'll collapse the category content. (They don't. Much like nipples on men, they're just there for looks.)
Example #2: The "Joke's On You--That's Not Clickable!" Click
The next couple examples are courtesy of our own site, lovely little SEOmoz.org. Our recent site redesign resulted in a new side-navigation box that runs along the blog. Several times I have fallen victim to clicking on the little plus sign bullet point icon that sits to the left of my user name and the main navigational categories because I think they'll collapse the category content. (They don't. Much like nipples on men, they're just there for looks.)
I pointed this out to Rand and he was like, "Holy crap, I click on them too! Okay, we've gotta fix that..."
Example #3: The "Are These Many Clicks Really Necessary?" Clicks
Another SEOmoz example, comin' your way! Say I want to edit my profile avatar. I go into my profile and account settings and scroll down to where my photo is. Next to my grinning mug is a checkbox that says "Delete Photo." I click on that, then hit "Save Changes."
Once my changes have been saved, I'm taken back to the My Account page, where I have to go back into "Edit Profile & Settings." I scroll back down to where my photo would be and browse for a new one.
Example #3: The "Are These Many Clicks Really Necessary?" Clicks
Another SEOmoz example, comin' your way! Say I want to edit my profile avatar. I go into my profile and account settings and scroll down to where my photo is. Next to my grinning mug is a checkbox that says "Delete Photo." I click on that, then hit "Save Changes."
Once my changes have been saved, I'm taken back to the My Account page, where I have to go back into "Edit Profile & Settings." I scroll back down to where my photo would be and browse for a new one.
I find my avatar and hit "Save changes." Done! I've just changed my avatar...in about 6 clicks. Whenever I go through this process, my brain internally screams "There's got to be a better way!" Yes, the "change your avatar" process has got me sounding like an infomercial audience. A better approach would be to give the option to "Change my avatar" instead of just deleting it, which would eliminate a few of the steps and thus, the clicks.
Example #4: The "I Can't Believe You've Taken My Eyes Hostage" Click
You've all experienced this: You're clicking through a site's article that has been broken into multiple pages, or you're looking at a slideshow of images. Then, without warning, instead of page 4 of the article or the 7th image in the series, you're looking at a page-filled ad for Axe Body Spray with a teeny, tiny "skip this ad" link jammed into the furthest corner of the screen. This happened to me when I went to The Onion's homepage:
Example #4: The "I Can't Believe You've Taken My Eyes Hostage" Click
You've all experienced this: You're clicking through a site's article that has been broken into multiple pages, or you're looking at a slideshow of images. Then, without warning, instead of page 4 of the article or the 7th image in the series, you're looking at a page-filled ad for Axe Body Spray with a teeny, tiny "skip this ad" link jammed into the furthest corner of the screen. This happened to me when I went to The Onion's homepage:
First of all, what the hell is that an ad for? A cyborg that serves you martinis? (Wait, that actually sounds pretty cool...damnit, I should have clicked on that.) Secondly, I'm not going to your site to buy a cyborg (well...), I'm going there to read satirical news. Promising your users one thing and serving up something completely different AND forcing them to click past what they didn't want in order to see what they do want (effectively making your user click twice) is just bad, bad, bad. I understand that the site's trying to make a buck off its advertising and this method probably works on some folks, but it's a nuisance to me (and to a lot of you, I'm willing to bet).
Example #5: The "No I don't Want to Sign In" or the "Why the Hell Didn't You Keep Me Signed In?" Clicks
There are instances where you want to be signed in and there are instances where you don't. Let's start with the Don't. Lots of retail sites require you to be signed in or have an account before you buy something. Take Amazon as an example. Once you try to add something to your shopping cart, you're taken to this page:
Example #5: The "No I don't Want to Sign In" or the "Why the Hell Didn't You Keep Me Signed In?" Clicks
There are instances where you want to be signed in and there are instances where you don't. Let's start with the Don't. Lots of retail sites require you to be signed in or have an account before you buy something. Take Amazon as an example. Once you try to add something to your shopping cart, you're taken to this page:
If you're a random user who happened to find the product you're looking for and just want to quickly buy it, you're probably not happy about having to create a login, especially if you're unfamiliar with the site. Amazon's not an ideal example here because it's a trusted site that offers millions of products. But say you're looking for a present for your uncle, who happens to love vintage model cars. You find a random site that sells model cars and other uncle-approved stuff, so you find something for him and try to buy it until you are taken to a "Create a new account" page. Why would you create a new account for a site that sells stuff you're not even interested in? Can't you just do a one-off purchase and be on your way? Now you've got to spend extra clicks creating an account you'll likely never use.
A nice alternative for retail sites would be a setup like this, which delias.com (a female clothing site) employs:
A nice alternative for retail sites would be a setup like this, which delias.com (a female clothing site) employs:
The site gives you the option to sign in if you're an existing member or, if you're a new customer, to checkout as a "guest" and not be required to sign in or create a new account. How lovely!
As for the "Why the Hell Didn't You Keep Me Signed In?" click, it seems like Digg and reddit are pretty chronic offenders. There's nothing more annoying than logging in, checking the "Keep me logged in" box, working for a bit, returning to the site later, finding a story you like, clicking to upvote it, and pulling up a "Please sign in" prompt. A few clicks later, you still haven't voted up that story. Argh.
The above examples are a small sampling of how superfluous clicks can aggravate your user. They can be small-scale and cause nothing more than brief gripes, or they can be a large nuisance and adversely affect your conversion process. Regardless of the result, when designing your website keep a few things in mind:
As for the "Why the Hell Didn't You Keep Me Signed In?" click, it seems like Digg and reddit are pretty chronic offenders. There's nothing more annoying than logging in, checking the "Keep me logged in" box, working for a bit, returning to the site later, finding a story you like, clicking to upvote it, and pulling up a "Please sign in" prompt. A few clicks later, you still haven't voted up that story. Argh.
The above examples are a small sampling of how superfluous clicks can aggravate your user. They can be small-scale and cause nothing more than brief gripes, or they can be a large nuisance and adversely affect your conversion process. Regardless of the result, when designing your website keep a few things in mind:
- Try to accomplish your goal in as few steps as possible while still remaining logical. Can you shorten a 7 click path down to 3 clicks? Start thinking of ways to cut corners without compromising the user experience.
- Don't force your users to do the work for you. If you've moved a page, use a redirect. Your users and your links will thank you! (Well, they probably won't even notice the redirect, but hey, ignorance is bliss.)
- Don't create "false clicks." Don't make non-linked text look like a clickable link, don't use icons or buttons that look clickable but aren't, and don't feed your mogwai after midnight. (Wait, I think the last tip pertains to something else...)
- Don't promise your user one thing and deliver something else. If you ask your user if he wants to stay logged in, keep him logged in. If your user wants to buy an item and clicks on the little shopping cart to begin the checkout process, don't force him to create an account or try out some "free trial" magazine subscriptions. Don't show a big freakin' ad when your user is expecting to see a picture or an article.
The one's that annoy me are when you perform an action and you get "You are being redirected, if you do not wish to wait click here"
Of course i don't want to fricken wait, why don't they automatically do the fast option and have "If you have got all day and would like to delay this, click here"?
I also fell victim to the + sign on the SEO Moz site on the assumption that + is traditionally used to expand and collapse areas.
One thing I always recommend to all WEB DEVELOPERS, DESIGNERS and SEO Professionals is to READ Steve Krug's book "Don't make me think".
It's all about users experiences and why your users should not have to think when using your site. As soon as they have to think, you potentially loose the customer.
It has to be one the greatest ever usability and accessibility books available today. I am not trying to sell anything here, but feel I should give credit where its due.
The other thing you could consider is usability testing before going live, especially with new site launches or re-skinned websites. I often create a pilot group of 10 users to perform testing, make amends, re-test then go-live.
Google Analytics Site Overlay is also a great area to see where users are clicking and so-forth. Scroll to Site Overlay (Bottom of page) https://www.google.com/analytics/features.html .
Hope you find the information as useful as I do :-)
READ Steve Krug's book "Don't make me think" I've ordered this book nearly one month ago from Amazon,i'm still waiting for it but i heard that it's simply the usability bible.
Amazon obviously haven't read the partner edition: "Don't make me wait".
yeah it takes pretty long to ship to Italy ;)
Funny you mention that . . . because, it was on the list of qualifications when I applied for the job of UI Engineer here at SEOmoz. And that’s a bold claim to say that it’s the best usability and accessibility book available. Jakob Nielsen would be disappointed to hear that.
Am I Forcing My Users to Superfluously Click?To find out what my answer to this question is click here
Honestly, I knew it before clicking! :-D
And i nearly fell for it :P
It's true, men's nipples are there for more than looks! :)
having said that, you're "...misguided "I've been trying to architect this site for two months now and I can no longer see straight"..." really hit home, boy have I had that feeling before... maybe we need an SEO anonymous group for misguided and disgruntled SEOs!
Lastly, I appreciate you pointing out the random circles with plus signs, they've been driving me crazy.
"Much like nipples on men, they're just there for looks."
Mine happen to be v sesnsitive therefore having an extra use..
Great article, I do like your usability stuff and wish there was more written on this subject from you.
Another thing I hate is my language beeing changed etc. Just cos Im in Spain does not mean Im speaking Spanish! Location targeting sucks in this situation.
:-)
Heed this advice! At my last job, we reduced a 7 click process to a 4 click process and conversions went up over 200%.
yep, i recently read a study where they found that with every additional click they made their users perform, the rate of attrition / abandonment was 50%.
scary, especially if you're doing any CPA or ecommerce.
As good as Yahoo! is at developing an excellent user experience, this is one area that I can't stand about them. When traveling from one service to another, I have to log in again.
@trontastic: I completely agree with you on that one. What is it with Yahoo! that they don't get about universal cookies? Can't they learn anything from Google? I want to log in once and for all.
My personal bug-bear is the basic seomoz login. If I'm using a tool and I forget to login first I usually:
It would be fantastic to simply be redirected back to the page I wanted in the first place (and save all those clicks!). That said - I can see the usability reasons for having it go to the dashboard.
In general, we redirect you to the page you were previously at, but if we're not let me know which tool it wasn't redirecting you back to and I can fix it.
Some seem to pass the right value when they redirect and others don't. For instance - of the four tools I used this morning:
1. Trifecta, Juicy Link Finder, Anchor Text analysis don't redirect properly (for me at least) and require the extra links
2.Rank checker redirects perfectly.
Dylan
Speaking as a developer, the reason that there are usability issues like these is prurely a time issue. You can get up and running with a website really fast, and there is always a battle between adding new features & fixing major bugs, vs fixing and improving other small usability problems - the first of which usually wins out. Plus when you're making a website, you often are in a vaccume and don't notice these problems.
If people want a 100% usable website, just be expected to spend more time refining these kind of things.
I can comment on the Amazon logging you out thing.
Amazon employs the "two-stage" login system, where if you login to Amazon to buy something you will stay logged in pretty much forever. You can browse the site, get recommendations, add things to your cart etc, all without issue. But when you try to purchase anything or deal with anything in your account profile, you must login again.
The reason Amazon does this for security reasons. It doesn't "remember" users login information to the point where if I loose my laptop or forget to logout on a public computer a random user can buy things with my account.
I always go for usability and always try to avoid unnecessary clicks, but there's one major drawback that affects you as a webmaster if you do so: if your website gets its revenues from ads its performance gets measured by visits and, often more important, page impressions. So three extra clicks often mean three extra pages per visit which in turn means more money for you.
As long as advertisers take the number of PIs (and not the length of viewing a page e.g.) as the figure to evaluate a website, the challenge will always be to keep the balance between "make the user click more often" and "don't make the user click too much".
By the way, the mentioned book "Don't make me think" also suggests to sometimes force the user to make an extra click - if choices are ambigious for example.
and one last point:
well ... biologically right, but ... ;-)
Great points, Michael. I agree with you--sometimes extra clicks are necessary, especially if your revenues are ad-driven.
Great article.
So very true.
The one i hate is the sites that don't let you hold a cookie for logging in, so every single time that you hit the site, you have to re login.
Or ones that time you out after 5 minutes. You take a phone call, and bam, all your entered info is gone.
That drives me crazy on retail sites where I have an account. I browse through, find something I like, click to add it to the shopping cart, find out I've been logged out, log back in, add the item to the cart, keep shopping, find something else I like, add it to the cart, find out I have to log back in...argh, it's so frustrating.
Another similar thing which is the more annoying is the Auto Refresh code added in some sites. If you are late in filling the details or were busy in-between you have to fill all the details again.
It used to be I could log onto SEOmoz and be logged in for days, even after closing my browser.
Now I have to log in several times a day - even if I keep SEOmoz up on my screen all day.
What's up with that?
That would be a good mail to send to sitesupport [at] seomoz.org.
I stay logged in for months on FireFox 2.
Maybe problem with browser cache or cookies (was it after the website update ?), i am still yet not able to resolve Fonts display problem on my PC after the update. :(
I can still stay logged in for ages - can't remember the last time I had to log in! Might be something in your privacy settings?!
I think I have had to log in here once in the last year.
One day, many months ago, it just "forgot". Hasn't done it again since.
Great Post.
Anothor thing which is fustrating is when the user has to click the back button to goto another category / post he wants to read rather than having a navigation on the right or bottom to move on to another category/post.
Great post. One of my many annoyances regards unecessary clicks. Many of these are down to simple design crimes such as utilising particular colours many users associate with traditional link text - such as blue when they are just in fact non-linked text.
Your example #3, I'm glad you mentioned, Rebecca. I went through a cycle of delete/add/delete/add etc myself when attempting to change my avatar pic earlier this week, resulting in an email to SEOmoz site support.
On Facebook, I am often frustrated by applications that do not refresh fed content without the need to click on the app. Delicious and Friend Feed are the only two I have assigned to my boxes tab that actually automatically update. Last.fm Charts requires, for me, a click of the 'recent tracks' box, Friend Block a 'click here etc', and StumbleUpon, an 'Update your favourites'.
Teal motorcycle jacket, Rebecca? Teal??
Seriously, I think Digg is the most annoying site I visit, with regards to being forced to re-login EVERY time I want to vote for something. And what's worse, is that I can never remember my login or password...FAIL.
Hey, I just grabbed the first item I saw and added it to the cart so I could get a screenshot. I do NOT endorse teal motorcycle jackets. :D
Haha. Yeah, I was like "oh rebecca's cool, I love delias!" and then I was like "A teal motorcycle jacket...ooo-kay."
I hope this post ends up ranking for teal motorcycle jacket.
Google's #10 as of now.
How is this for bad?
Our own site forces you to select a location (city) to get into the meat of the site. And instead of using a permanent cookie to save your city it uses a 15 minute session (at least it hides the session in the URL). So any internal page that is bookmarked and visited at a later time is not the correct page - it will be a generic page not specific to your location and not even contain the information you saw when you bookmarked the page.
And obviously google only sees the generic single page rather than the city specific pages which have more robust SEO'd content.
The joys of inheriting a site powered by the worst proprietary CMS ever written.
*** hides the session in the URL ***
That's a bad idea these days.
Not related to clicks, but along with that whole "show me an ad when I want a page" thing.
I'm on IMDB several times a day, and once or twice a year it seems some crappy movie will high-jack the site and nearly every time you click on a page you're served up some layered advertising for the movie - with the small little x or "close" in one of the corners.
It not only turns me off from IMDB - although I'll never go anywhere else, because where can you go - but it completely turns me off from seeing the movie.
I don't need to see your ad on nearly every single page. I get it - you have a movie coming out. I'm on 20+ IMDB pages a day, I don't need to see your ad all 20+ times, along with the background ad, etc.
Its like when Pauly Shore used to take over MTV.
Great examples of common mistakes in site navigation/usability. I've seen a lot of these kind of excesses and usually avoid those sites in the future.
By the way, the cyborg ad is for a swedish vodka. I've seen even stranger billboards around town before. I keep thinking they're for STTNG or something.
Rah! Rah! You know I'm going to love this Rebecca :) What kills me is that all the advice is common sense and STILL it takes articles like this one for some people to go, "Oh yeah"...
Related problem: where items in a list are way over on the left, and the button to click when done is way over on the right.
Or, where items to click are on the far left, and the scroll bar for that box is on the far right, because the box width is full screen.
Google WebmasterTools has a lot of that. I find incredibly long mouse travel distances for the simplest of the most repetitive tasks.
Google everything has problems like that. The pages were designed by a bunch of engineers who care more about whether their new toy works than if it's a pleasure to use.
We keep on coming back to the old discussion about good user interface design, don't we. It's SO applicable to websites, not only to software. I think they should teach it to designers.
We had a problem on our internal crm / project management dashboard where until recently if you logged in on another machine you were logged out everywhere else. This makes sense in some environments, but given this is on our intranet, it was very frustrating when you've got a desktop, laptop and iphone...
Great examples though - and way to use your own site ;)
I have fallen victim to clicking on the little plus sign bullet point icon that sits to the left of my user name LOL the same here.
For seomoz add:
wth is your make a blog post button on youmoz? took me 5 minutes yesterday to find it and then i gave up because i was annoyed by that stage.
and when I tried to add this comment the first time, it gave me a little pop up to log in (good!) but then autoredirected me to my preferences page instead of allowing me to comment (bad). I then have to renavigate my way here to try and add this post. (most folks would have given up i guess)
And in FF, this window box is half below the page and i have to manually drag it to get to the add comment button!
Otherwise love the blog :)
From a snowy London
Stephen
I'm suprised nobody has mentioned ClickTale yet. It's similar to CrazyEgg but goes a step further in what it tracks.It records all mouse movements, scrolling, clicks, and typing on a page. You can then watch a "video" of exactly what the user did on a page as if you were sitting over their shoulder. It even renders the playback at the resolution that the visitor had their browser set at which really gives you good insight into what visitors really see when your site loads.
It's awesome for form pages too since it will let you see how users fill out forms and where some form fields might be that are causing anxiety and causing users to bail after partial completion.
Basically it lets you stalk your visitors.
I always used to assume that the people running the site couldn't see what I had typed until I actually submitted the form. With the advent of Ajax and other technologies, that is often no longer true.
Now they can see all that you typed, the corrections you made, and what you originally typed but deleted before submitting. There's potential to see data that the user didn't want to submit, and potential for privacy to be invaded.
Imagine an employer being able to "watch" someone filling out a job application form, and editing the facts multiple times before submitting. Imagine the problem should "non submitted" information be brought up by the potential employer at interview: "Why did you say X and then delete it?"
I have mixed feelings about this.
Excellent post. I read Seth Godin's Big Red Fez about 6 months ago and it really changed the way I looked at design. It was while I was doing a bunch of usability analysis. I think my work got a lot better after I started thinking in terms of clicks and paths.
Ironically, while I've improved my primary site, I haven't done nearly as much work on it as I have on my smaller sites, my consulting site, and the sites I work for. It's still not as efficient as it should be.
Oh, and the photo thing here annoyed me too. As for the pluses, I've never tried clicking on one, but I had assumed they did something...
Even the mighty Google sometimes get it wrong - Google Analytics requires an extra button press now, even if you are logged into another Google service (e.g. AdWords, Googlemail etc).
#4 is the worst (skip this ad...)
I have totally disabled javascript and cookies on entrepreneur.com because of their constant interuptions. The skip ad button doesn't even work, no matter how much I click.
My bank is the absolute worst. Every time I try to log into online banking they make me re-activate my computer. So I have to email myself a new activation code every time I want to check my balance. Super frustrating.
Ah, I get what you're saying now. At first, rebecca, all I thought you were doing was unnecessary complaining, but after reading through the comments I get it and agree with some of it; especially your point on where you had to click to log in and off just to get something on a retail site. I once ran a site that dealt with marketing to moms and that drove me nuts.
An excellent article.
Great post Rebecca!
Marketers take notice to this post. If the goal is to improve conversions, make the path from consumer to impulse buy as short and simple as possible! If you really want us to add our information to your email opt-in list give us the option after the purchase is complete.
Not everyone wants to be added to a "list" when buying something. Kudos to delias.com for making the login optional.
Thanks for the timely post. We have been trying to launch an updated design for our site for months. It keeps getting delayed when resources need to go to paying customers and I am getting frustrated. I was thinking let's just do it - we can fix the rest later but this post helped remind me that just do it if it is wrong is a bad idea and it does need to be right.
Great post. I won't get into the nipple debate, as tempting as it may be... ;-)
The post reminds me once again of Bryan Eisenbergs "inside the bottle" syndrome. We get too often comfortable with your own site and navigation cause we know how to use it. Its painful at times, but asking an outsider to try navigating your site will bring up issues you may not have considered.
Great post. We're currently redesigning our company's site. We had a lot of information on our services page in these nifty drop downs that were super cool, but then our 20 something designers had to remember that the median age of our clients is 50, and none of them even knew to click to reveal that information. As awesome as it looked, it's gonna have to be structured a little differently next time.
Next time it's gotta be more like the Jitterbug cellphone for seniors. You know, giant buttons, live operators to help you dial...
And, if you can, why make anyone click at all?
I hate the create a new account things on places like amazon and don't get me started on sites which log you out all the time
Very good blog. I design data entry screens to capture large amounts of data. If I have one or more superfluous clicks, it slows down our productivity. With data entry we are competing in a world market and must be as efficient as possible.
On a website that has superfluous clicks, you annoy your visitors and leave them wondering WHO DESIGNED THIS THING?
Good catch on this site's pluses that go nowhere.
Oh that's a lon....g but very informative post. Well you should try and check out the IEEE Community site (ieee.org).
Every time I go there to renew my membership, I just get lost in the process. The designer probably have never heard of 'usability' before.
I hate that profile image changing thing in SEOmoz too! Even more though, cause I do 6 clicks to discover you guys don't support PNG avatars, so then I have to either do another 6 clicks, or leave my profile with no avatar :(
Sorry amigo--I know how frustrating the process is. I'll raise a stink about it when we start working on our v4 launch. :)
I agree with all mentioned, I work for a UK directory firm and we make sure you find what you want within 3 clicks including the search on a search engine. It is a must or the potential client/reader will just leave and find a site that will offer the information or service. Great article.
Thanks for another great post!
WEAR ME OUT FAVORITE #35
Finding shipping costs on a sale item on one of those "hafta log-in and give them ALL of my personal information" websites.
Do they think they will wear me out if I give them all my information only to find out that the SH makes up for their ridiculously low prices?
CHECK OUT THE COMPETITION
I do purchasing for our company and visit vendors' websites (which in some cases are also competitors) to check product information, pricing, etc.
Things that frustrate me about those sites will also frustrate our customers. It's a real eye opener and a great learning experience.
In one case, we decided to carry a line of products because the competitor's website is so awful.
If I can't find what I'm looking for....I'll make it easy for our customers to find it--on our website!
Gotta love it.
excellent reminder of usability principles, Rebecca. When will we learn to make things easy for web users? for sure it cant be that difficult, the whole thing is just common sense, but common sense is not common (adapted from dave Chaffey's book eMarketing eXcellence)
Superb points Rebecca! Can't say I haven't done that myself plenty of times, trying to be the one-man website band. Some things can get overlooked, but sometimes you just gotta step back and go, how would I feel navigating this website?
Great post. I've tried to cut down the number of clicks on my own page. as for redirects, we just use an htaccess file, incase someone has the page bookmarked, it will automatically redirect the user. also, thanks for using your own site as examples of some stuff that needs to be fixed ^_~
You see, this is why we don’t do usability posts much any more; it just turns into a comment thread about what’s wrong with the site.
Yes . . . there are plans to make a new one.
But there are also plans to do a few other big ticket items before we start to recode the entire site.
Patience please. And until then, enjoy the changes I’ve made to Trifecta and the Linkscape Basic Intelligence reports. It should feed your thirst for usable interfaces.
Or maybe it's a secret way to extricate information from us about problems with the site.....
No kidding, can't believe a staff member is complaining about receiving free website feedback lol.
The problem is that it’s not useful feedback. It’s all bitching and gripes. A core tenet good usability is observing the user and watching how they use the product/software/site rather than listening to what their opinions of the product. They may say that they don’t like the colors or that they don’t know what something does when the real problems are in the fact that you’re using a bad metaphor for the action the user is supposed to perform or that you didn’t account for colorblindness.
The other half of it is that we have channels for site feedback (email sitesupport [at] seomoz.org). The blog comments aren’t really the place where your input about our site is going to be heard by the people that actually build it. Our SEOs read the blog. Not the developers. And as we’ve seen from the content of this post, usability issues that they find are likely to be blogged about before they’re reported.
I brought up the plus sign buttons to Rand, who said that he'd talk to our designer about changing it. I've brought up the avatar upload process several times and have always been told that it's not a big deal. I reported both examples before blogging about them, sucka!
Well this is the first I've heard of the "plus" problem. And while I hate the avatar thing too, it's somewhere in the middle of a long list of things to fix.
Just noticed that the Plus sign had been fixed with a star. Thanks.
But can we have the same color as that of Plus sign on the star please. The star looks dull.
Just my 2 cents.
*** The blog comments aren’t really the place where your input about our site is going to be heard by the people that actually build it. ***
*** Our SEOs read the blog. Not the developers. ***
Out at conferences where Social Media and all that stuff gets discussed over and over, a core advantage of having a blog is touted as being able to get closer to customers, hear what they have to say, and act on it. Its not a great task to hit Copy, Paste, and pass it on is it? Why would you not want feedback through whatever medium the reader was gracious enough to supply it?
There are 2 way of seeing at things.You take it as bitching and gripes while you can also take it as an Need for improvement. If you take it negatively the results are negative and if positvely you will get better positve feedback.As for "place where you input about our site", the media should be easy and convenient one for the user to convey. More options than only one.Just read a post here and it said below "If you have expereince in ....., please feel free to share your opinions and expertise in the comments. As always, e-mail me or send me a private message if you have any suggestions on how I can make my posts more useful. If that's not your style, feel free to contact me on Twitter and/or Linkedin. Thanks!"A very nice way to say.
And i think the developer should also read the posts/blog not only SEOs. The developers are doing a great job and have a positive attitude at SEOmoz as far as i know some.
Link to Trifecta is spelled wrong
Thanks for catching that--I fixed his link.