A Wired News article from yesterday - How Yahoo! Blew It - comes to some interesting conclusions:
Semel has been Yahoo's CEO for nearly six years, yet he has never acquired an intuitive sense of the company's plumbing. He understands how to do deals and partnerships, he gets how to market Yahoo's brand, and he knows how to tap Yahoo's giant user base to sell brand advertising to corporations. But the challenges of integrating two giant computer systems or redesigning a database or redoing a user interface? Many who have met with him at Yahoo say he still doesn't know the right questions to ask about technology. "Terry could never pound the table and say, 'This is where we need to go, guys,'" one former Yahoo executive says. "On those subjects, he always had to have someone next to him explaining why it was important." One could have made a convincing argument two years ago that such deep technical knowledge didn't matter much. But now we have empirical evidence: At Yahoo, the marketers rule, and at Google the engineers rule. And for that, Yahoo is finally paying the price.
The article points to Yahoo!'s strategic missteps while praising Google's, but it doesn't touch on what, to my mind, is the most important factor in the search engine wars - market share. Granted, Yahoo! almost certainly should have invested in Google in its early days (pre-2002), and even in that time period, would have been wise to invest $5-10 billion rather than offering only $3. However, Google is the more profitable and more successful company today almost entirely because of their larger market and mindshare.
Here's why I believe Google became the bigger search brand:
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User interface
Google's clean UI was revolutionary and attractive; it's still one of the elements consumers cite most about their use of the engine. -
Purity of function
Google's concentration on search (at least in the early years) made them first and foremost a search engine in people's mind. Yahoo! was a directory, a portal, an email service, etc. and, oh yeah, also an engine. -
Appeal to Geeks
Google appealed to tech geeks - the people who set the home pages on computers around corporate offices and at home for Grandma. When thousands of influencers in a field become obsessed with a product, it achieves mass popularity (just look at Apple). -
Viral spread
Google's marketing was nearly invisible at a time when invisible, viral marketing was being embraced by consumers, particularly those in the web world. -
Early quality advantage
Perhaps no single factor is of greater import - Google's early lead in quality was so large that switching to Google was an obvious choice. In my opinion, this was Yahoo!'s biggest failure - letting Google return more relevant results. The funny part - I honestly can't say whether senior management was responsible for or could have controlled this factor. It could be that Google simply had a few people with better ideas and all the hiring and R&D in the world couldn't have saved Yahoo!. -
Media obsession
Being a media darling made Google incredibly well placed to get early interest from even the stodgiest of users. And, with no need to market or advertise (since press releases on the average consistency of Googlers snot got more coverage than a major media play from Yahoo!), Google could spend that money in R&D to continue their edge.
What do you think? Did Yahoo! and Terry Semel really falter strategically, or was the deck simply stacked against them for the past 5 years?
BTW - Yes, I've been very slow on the blog (and my email) of late and sadly, it may continue for another week or so. Many thanks to everyone who has chipped in during my absence.
I think Yahoo!'s properties as a whole are the keys to them staying alive...like Rand mentioned...Yahoo! Maps, Yahoo! Answers and even Yahoo! Mail are what keep Yahoo! #1 as far as daily reach...but...in terms of Search, Google's UI is much more superior and search relevance is also much better.
All in all, Yahoo! is no where near deceased, but it is also stuck unless the bring someone in to replace Semel. Someone with tons of character that really understands the industry and understands where Yahoo! needs to be for them to succeed. Then, and only then, will Yahoo! start growing again and gain dominance once again.
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What goes around - comes around. :LoL:
Here is John Battalle's criticism - from a few months ago - on why HE left WIRED.
Google rules the Western search world because it won the relevance/quality race early on - their focus on search technology was critical to growing their userbase and then revenue while Yahoo lumbered on with Inktomi and Overture technology.
Take Google out to Asia, and it's a very different story.
Japan Yahoo! Japan properties have twice as many users and ten times as many page views as Google Japan properties. The partnership with Softbank has created a media empire that offers broadband, shopping, auction, search, multimedia and more.
Korea Naver rules Korean search, with Google Korea a distant player behind Naver, Daum, Yahoo Korea and few others. Two interesting tidbits - Yahoo provides PPC for Naver while Google provides PPC for Daum (Daum recently switched from Yahoo in Dec 06). Also, Naver's market leading Knowledge Search was brought to the Western world with Yahoo Answers.
Taiwan Yahoo! Kimo doesn't just dominate Taiwan's search market, it IS Taiwan's search market.Yes, Yahoo! is big. So big that it is practically a synonym for the Taiwanese Internet market.
A whopping 97 out of every 100 local Internet users in Taiwan visit Yahoo! Taiwan.
China Baidu has triple the search share of Google, with Yahoo just behind. According to the WSJ (via SEL) Baidu is the search king in China, with nearly 64% market share,.ahoo China has just an 8% share, after Google China's 19% share.
-- https://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20070115PR2...
I think the last quote shows Yahoo's focus. Yahoo is a lot better than Google at revenue diversification, even if PPC still accounts for the vast majority of Y! revenue. As search marketers, we naturally focus on the search-related aspect of their businesses rather than looking at the big picture. As English-speakers, we focus on the Western world. Yahoo search share may suck in the US/UK/AU, but their web properties around the world draw a huge amount of eyeballs.
Comparing Yahoo and Google at a macro level leaves for tons of likely unsolvable dispute and debate. But break it down to properties - Google Search vs Yahoo Search, Google Finance vs Yahoo Finance, Froogle vs Yahoo Shopping, etc. There is a workable debate.
If Yahoo's got anything, they are the most trafficked set of properties on the internet, followed by Time Warner, then Microsoft, then Google.
Plus the currently reorg-ing "Audience" part of Yahoo (probably anything that's not marketing) will soon be under Jeff Weiner, who can kick ass with that "deep technical knowledge" stuff...
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I really don't see Yahoo going away anytime soon. Its not just about search, Yahoo has a lot other stuff going for them. They also have a much stronger presence in China through alibaba and also other parts of Asia. Yahoo auction dominates eBay at many of these countries. Again, its not just search.
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I never felt Semel and Silicon Valley were a proper mix. He's Hollywood and there are really few parallels between the two. Yahoo! would have been better served with a charismatic leader like a Steve Jobs.
I agree. But imagine if Jobs had been in charge of Google. I'll tell you one thing, they would have ditched that logo lonnnnnnnng ago!
Interesting debate, one full of twists and turns.
But what is the purpose? Money... the sole reason both SE's exist.
As of right now, neither party can be properly measured on a scale of cash, as Yahoo dominates the entire spam market with their ads. I swear, when I do a search there, I have to look through a tiny window to see the natural results. So of course, they're PPC is way off the charts. Not to mention the uber bloated home page that takes a month to load. It's all income driven material.
Google on the other hand appears to come off with a bit more finesse. The homepage? A work of pure genius. Logo, and search box. Clearly, G has it right from the get go, and the search results aren't crammed to the hilt with PPC ads.
This, is where the true difference lies. Yahoo is an income driven company, while google is a service based company who recognizes that they need some cash to keep going. In the back of everyone's mind, we all feel the same way... we go to google, because it physically appears to have more trust value.
But lets look at what's behind the debate. The Future...
In the SE business, your ability to generate income will be dependent on number of users. Naturally, the future of the SE will be determined by what it's doing to generate either A)Users, or B)Income.
With only three major players left in the arena, and Yahoo seems like it's loosing ground with every passing minute, the CEO's aren't jumping ship... instead, they believe that just cramming in some more ad's will move things back in check, and everyone will still have a job. Just take a look at the messenger program. You can barely install the thing without it completely infecting your entire system. Junk.. but effective.
Nay, to begin acquiring new ground, Yahoo must completely dump it's 80's corporate ideologies, and look to the user as it's sole source for whats needed... something that google has held on too for some time.
This high profile corporate politics song only plays well for so long, but when the song ends, there will be no chair for them to sit in. In fact, I'm willing to bet that some key players in Yahoo's financial and CEO sector are washed up board members from an era long past. I've been there before, seen it first hand, and I can personally guarantee that these types of companies WILL fail. And I'm not spouting rhetoric... it's a FACT.
But because of Yahoo's financial position, it does in fact have a chance to change, easily. Until they do, we should pick out which plot they want to be buried in.
we should not forget that Hollywood provides some of the most searched for keywords/topics out there and the majority of people do look to the internet for entertainment.
Two things happened in parallel.
1) Google got a larger share of searches because search was its core. 2) AdWords is an insanely better platform for monetizing searches than Overture.
Yahoo! is not a search engine. They are a content network. Always have been and always will be. That's probably more right than wrong and it doesn't get the respect it deserves. How much revenue does Google get from display media? Yahoo can get $500k a day from just its homepage.
What would have been a mistake is if Yahoo sold off its content and tried to be a search engine. Comapre Yahoo to AOL. Not to Google.
I love Yahoo! Maps.
They even have exit numbers!
Google are daring and keen to bring new features to the Google product line. Even if most don't pick up major marketshare, and even if a lot are pushed out as "beta", they still capture the imagination of the press and internet users.
Can anyone name a single new product Yahoo! has developed inhouse over the past couple of years? Apart from the YPN, which is a great example of poor priorities on development and leaves Google riding the market.
I do like:
Yahoo! Maps (it's actually better than Google) Yahoo! Answers (which has done pretty well) Yahoo! Food (just launched) Yahoo! Site Explorer (webmaster's paradise) Yahoo! TV & Tech
Actually, almost every "ancilliary" service they do is done far better than Google; and with much greater adoption.
Ok, my bad - they have released products - are you really seeing much uptake for them in the USA? Google has all the visbility in the UK, and Yahoo doesn't seem to be doing much to take ground here.
dont tell anybody, but I like MSN (Live) Maps. :D
Great topic, Rand. I hope things are ok with you.
I think the main difference between your stance & the Wired stance is the 'Early quality advantage' point: that essentially says "Semel was already too late".
If you look at each of your bolded points (UI, Purity of function, Appeal to Geeks, Viral Spread, Early quality advantage, Media obsession), each of those is a result of the 'Plumbing' that Wired is talking about. Get the UI right & the functionality right & the rest follow.
Yahoo says the problem was that marketers were in charge, but I think they're wrong. Google did their marketing by building it directly into the product (whether they realised it or not). As Seth Godin would say: it's remarkable & it targets the sneezers.
I think Semel probably did falter strategically, and partially because he believed the point you put forward - that Google had already won due to the 'early quality advantage'. Whether that was the case (or is the case) I don't know, but it will be really interesting to watch what Yahoo does over the next couple of years. Perhaps more so even than Google.
You make it sound like as if Yahoo is already deceased. I would rather believe the opposite, sense Yahoo is stronger in Asia and considering the immense growth of the "Asiatic market" in terms of internet usage.
I strongly believe Google will face an interesting battle the upcoming years, with Yahoo coming out as the winner. Yahooooo! No more sandboxes
Over the last couple of weeks we have seen in our PPC campaigns... google clicks going down and yahoo clicks going up... anyone else seen this trend?
I think it's time for Semel to go and let some new leadership see where they can take Yahoo! It's not dead by any means, but it could be so much more than it is, and it could be a legitimate competitor to Google. In that battle, we consumers win!
I believe Semel just wanted something to make himself a lot of money, and he's succeeded at that so it's time to move on.
I know this is more a search centric topic but... what about Yahoo! store?
It seems to me that whenever the Yahoo! vs. Google debate pops up people generally focus on search and how Google kills, then someone will default to the statement...
As valid as that argument is (and as overused as it is), i still don't understand why the Yahoo! store property is constantly disregarded/overlooked as a powerful source of income.
Last time i checked, ecommerce was a fairly large market and growing at an insane pace. Yahoo! has a ton of market share AND takes a % of sales from each store. Is there another platform out there that even compares in this regard?
I had a discussion late in 2005 at High Rankings about this and the gist of it still rings true today.
Who makes more money Google or Yahoo? I just mean profit now anything related to stock.
G & Y Income statements for last quarter:
Google
Yahoo
Well, One thing more, that is: Using Google as search engine with Yahoo!. Google got double exposure from this.