As I noted early this week, there's a lot to be desired from blog ranking and measurement tools. Technorati's measure of influence via links is the most common method used, followed closely by Alexa data (which can be badly skewed, particularly when the URL is inside a much larger host).
At SEOmoz, we used several key indicators of value - links, subscribers, tagging and traffic to compile the following comparative list of bloggers in the SEO space:
My feeling is that the data we've compiled is not particularly valuable, though it may work well for some comparative purposes. The score above is based on Alexa reach data, Alexa page views, Technorati links, Yahoo! links (to the direct blog URL only), the number of del.icio.us tags and the number of subscribers via Bloglines.
Is Todd Malicoat really 5X more influential than Shak? Is Michael Gray 10X more influential than Joe Morin? These aren't questions with solid answers and I'm not sure that the data above, even if we were to come up with a better equation for the final product, is really valuable for making these types of assumptions.
What this formula does show that I like is a relatively accurate picture of daily readership. My guess is that with a few exceptions, an exact traffic-measured pattern of each site would follow at least the ordering, if not the exact percentages. For example, I'd guess that Jeremey Zawodny and Robert Scoble are slightly better read than John Battelle and Philip Lenssen, and that Donna Fontenot and Bill Slawski get very similar levels of traffic.
Perhaps, in the future, someone will develop a tool that can query enough sources of data and account for enough variables to make this process more valuable. For now, however, we won't be pursuing a tool to automate this kind of comparison and analysis... the value just isn't there.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on automated blog comparisons, though and how you feel about the value of the data. For those interested, the full spreadsheet in OpenOffice 2.0 format is available online.
Except people like Seth Godin and Russell Beattie who are both well read have comments turned off
Comments are not requirements for blogs. They are a choice for blog owners, many of whom don't have "create a community" as a requirement for their blog.
My own habit is to point to further or related discussions to Cre8asiteforums where the topic is being discussed.
What about also factoring your page strength tool, plus number of votes/diggs on article sites?
Also what does "influence" mean? Influence of whom? Influence in which medium?
Right there with you gang. When I wrote the post, it was my intention to provide the same kinds of criticism - I "don't" think it's valuable data at this point. WMW is a good example of that, so are the domains at Blogspot and even SEOmoz to a degree (our general traffic to the site being much higher than just the blog).
I like the idea of comments per post tracking - that would be a very good metric in general. Blogs with 100+ comments per post are generally very, very well read in their respective industries.
It would also be interesting to see speed of comments over time. That could be tracked through some sort of website monitoring service that alerts you whenever a page changes. Be interesting to see which bloggers get the quickest volume of responses to their posts. Some blogs might have a high readership without any commenting, but I'd make a guess that the blogs that get many comments in a quick time period have more immediate influence.
Then again, what is the sort of influence one is looking for? Long term thought leadership? Immediate discussion making impact? Some people may not create controversy and discussion but their thoughts are valued and they exert leadership and are referenced by others as an authority.
Dear Rand,
That's a fine list of blogs, and I understand the reasoning for using Alexa, but you're walking a fine line with their traffic ratings on blogs which are not hosted on main domains and instead as internal pages or subdomains.
Take the Bot Blog for example (https://www.webmasterworld.com/robots.txt)
Alexa rates the blog with a traffic rank of 304, the same as the webmasterworld.com homepage. Why? Because Alexa is looking at the traffic rank of the site and not the individual page.
Quick comparison:
https://www.webmasterworld.com/robots.tx" rel="nofollow">https://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_det...
https://www.webmasterworld.co" rel="nofollow">https://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_det...
Same results.
The same with V7N's blog. John and Peter are pumping out some good material, but their Alexa numbers are also skewed because of the high traffic the main V7N.com site receives:
https://www.alexa.com/data/details/main?q=&url...
https://www.alexa.com/data/details/main?q=&url...
blog.searchenginewatch.com and searchenginewatch.com are also considered by Alexa Traffic Rank as being the same entity.
Interestingly enough, Alexa treats https://scobleizer.wordpress.comand https://www.wordpress.comas two separate sites.
No intentions of ripping apart your Metrics, but the Alexa rankings can be quite misleading due to no differentiation between domain and subdomain.
If your metrics went out as a public blog measurement system and I wanted to spam them, I'd just start a blog on Yahoo 360, where all of their blogs have an Alexa Traffic Rank of #1 due to the subdomain structure :)
Maybe Performancing.com will come out with a blog traffic measurement metric better than Alexa one day.
Dude - if I'm ripping apart my metrics, there's no danger I'll take offense to someone else doing it. :)
Rip, rip, Rip! :)
BTW, Alexa Traffic Rank updated again today.
I'd also go out on a limb to say that measurement of comments and commenting would be a reliable influence metric - not just judging traffic, but how engaged that traffic is by a blog's material to comment and contribute.
Avg. comments per post?
Trackback measurement could also come in handy, then again, they could also be judged as more of a measurement of syndication or splog scraping.
More influential heck I have to tell my kids to clean up the playroom 6 times before they listen ...