I had a fascinating breakfast discussion with Jonathan Hochman from Hochman Consultants on Friday about Google's market dominance and the potential roads that might eventually lead to their fall. In our quest for potential Google-killers, we came across four likely candidates for bringing balance back to the search world (if not ending Google's reign entirely). They include:
#1 - An Existing Search Competitor Wins Back Share
In this scenario, Microsoft, Yahoo!, or Ask manages to overtake Google's relevance and mindshare through higher quality results or better branding and emotional appeal. While this seems unlikely, Google's own rise followed this storyline very closely. Altavista and several other engines held a firm grasp on the market in the late '90's and into 2000, but Google's technology, interface, and appeal caught up, then overtook and eventually dominated the search market. The difference here is that a startup achieved the market leader position - there aren't many examples in the Internet field where an existing player has snapped victory from the jaws of defeat.
In order to have one of the major competitors win back hearts and minds, it's my opinion that much more than better results are required. A more intuitive, compelling interface and massive support from both tech-geeks (who helped Google succeed in their launch) and the mainstream media would be critical.
One more quick note - a search competitor like Baidu or Yandex (the market winners in China and Russia, respectively) might also be dangerous for Google as other markets become more important players in the world economy.
#2 - A Startup Becomes the New Golden Child of Search
To some, particularly those brave venture capitalists behind projects like Wikia, Powerset, Cuill, and Mahalo, this option seems far more likely. As with Google's rise to power 9 years ago, the new player would need better technology, a grasp for what the Internet population wants (recall that in the late '90's it was Google's "clean interface" that captured attention), and the media's loving adoration. The startup would also need to avoid acquisition, which may be far easier said than done, since Google's cash reserves and willingness to buy small firms to add to their search technology will always be a factor. You'd need to find a financier who's willing to forgo an exit in the hundreds of millions or low billions for the possibility of reaching an IPO stage (and even then, a Google buyout through stock would be possible).
A more likely scenario might be that the startup gets acquired by another major company (perhaps even someone traditionally outside of web search, like Nokia or IBM), and then begins their meteoric rise.
#3 - Web Search Fractures into Verticals
As the web becomes increasingly large and complex, it's very possible that web surfing and web searching habits will evolve. Brands like Expedia, Zillow, and iMedix are all competing in the arenas of vertical search, hoping that when web users think travel, real estate, or health care, they won't turn to Google, but instead will go directly to their favorite vertical engine. Naturally, Google's already planning for this with search in dozens of additional verticals - news, books, academia, images, maps, etc., but beating the search giant in any one of these niches is certainly far simpler than in the broader realm of web wide search.
#4 - Traditional Web Search is Replaced by a More Compelling Information Retrieval Model
Remember that article on "zooming vs. searching" and how we humans are made for the former, not the latter? A true paradigm shift in the way human-computer interaction functions could spur a revolution against text-based Google and into the next generation of Internet use, powered by a completely different kind of entity (someone who might not be on Google's "search competitors" radar). It sounds far out and a little sci-fi, but since I can instantly calculate my position on the globe in 30 seconds and find the nearest bank by talking into a device I carry in my pocket, I'd say that a lot of sci-fi is already sci-fact. :)
We also considered a 5th option, but I personally think it's slightly less viable than the rest...
#5 - Spam Makes Google Irrelevant
Jonathan brought up the concept that Google might drown under a cloud of irrelevancy due to a leap in spam and manipulation technology. Certainly the cat and mouse game Google has waged with black hats over the years have produced plenty of poor search experiences and even the occasional PR nightmare, but I believe that even if Google's algorithms couldn't keep up in an automated sense, Google now has the power and the funding to preserve their position through sheer manpower - using human classifiers to root out any massive increase in spam in the short term while engineers found ways to pattern-detect them away. I've always felt that betting against the PhDs & spam researchers at Google was, in the long-term, a losing proposition. It's also tough for me to picture Google being uniquely affected by an increase in spam without all of the engines taking a hit (or maybe this would be when Ask's local popularity algorithm would shine).
And now it's time for your opinion:
I'd love to hear, as always, if you see other ways Google might fall from dominance.
BTW - I'm out of town until Wednesday, so email and the blog will be a bit slower than usal.
Lots of very good points here.
This is a very powerful point; we may laugh at the fact that Google boasts of becoming a verb, but no-one used to talk about Alta-Vistaing stuff as far as I can remember.
This ties in with Jane's recent post and thoughts about using the social graph to provide results. Whether it will be enough to knock Google off its perch is anmother thing entirely.
I think that the biggest immediate danger to Google could be a very basic one; shrinking revenues (or at least shrinking growth) and what this does to its share price.
The news that it is losing money on its MySpace deal, along with the market share that a variety of companies have in South East Asia which beat Google hands down (as you mention in point 1), all suggest that Google could continue to dominate search in the US & Europe whilst at the same time withering on the vine (relatively speaking).
At the same time, I also have to agree with vin, Pete & those who suggest that the danger to Google is likely to be something that we simply can't guess at due to the fact that t'web is still so young.
Can we all agree at least that it won't be Mahalo?
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Even if google were to fail in a profitability sense it still has a very powerful brand, and it would take something major (like a high percentage of their searches becoming spam) to bring down the publics opinion of their brand.
Definitely - I wasn't trying to suggest that it would be enough to kill off Google, but just think that it is going to be more of an issue for them over the coming months than any of the other suggestions...
I like reading Rand-theory. It's thought provoking.
Personally, I feel it will be an ecommerce company that gets irritated when Google launches the final phase of becoming an ecommerce giant. An eBay, an Amazon, a Walmart.com will quickly realize that they are powerless online if they don't come up with their own search engine if Google is going to be selling goods online too. I was excited about A9.com when it launched but Amazon royally screwed that up. Maybe they'll make a second pass at it as I find them to be on the cutting edge of personalization. Many think personalized search is the future so . . . I keep my fingers crossed for Amazon.
Will Google cross into ecommerce? They claim they won't and I have spoke to the person in charge at the Google NY office for Checkout, AdWords, and Product Search several times about it and Bill still claims that they have no plans of doing it. I have very few Google conspiracy theories but . . . this one, this one just seems like a next step for Google.
I know most of you think I am crazy . . . but that's fine. They are my thoughts, crazy or not. LOL
Brent D. Payne
Hey brent,
That's a nice juicy theory. I dunno if they'll make it or not but if they do, that's going to be huge. And yes....after reading through your comment, seems like it's quite possble !
I think you're spot on here Brent. Pesonalisation is the future. Once it reaches the point that Google knows i'm thinking of going on holiday and I type in "beach holiday" and it says "did you mean a trip up to the netherlands to see the northern lights" you know that the future is here.
I would also like to speak to Brent's opinion and Tom_C's comment: "I think you're spot on here Brent. Pesonalisation is the future."Personally speaking ;o) personalized search frustrates me. I feel as though the thought police are attempting to anticipate my wants and desires. This is particularly irritating on netflix. I have very diverse taste in film, and just because I was stupid enough to rent Good Luck Chuck does not mean I have the desire to watch every screwball comedy ever made.....it has gotten so bad, that I feel I have no autonomy over my selections as pre-populated "suggestions" dominate my search results. But I digress..... From a consumer perspective, I think personalized search needs to be heavily distilled before it is palatable to the masses. These systems do not seem intuitive enough to understand and account for subtle nuances in the end user’s taste.
I agree with this. While of course the idea of personalized results sounds good in theory - getting exactly what I'm looking for without having to tell someone/something what that is, or even when I'm not sure what that is, would be great. I just don't see it happening in a truly effective way.
Netflix is a great example, but I'd have to give Google a little more credit in terms of their ability to create a smart algorithm. I don't think Netflix's algorithm is terribly complicated.
Amazon is a good example of how personalization can work. The recommendations are there, they're in-line with what I've bought in the past and they do grab my interest. However, it shouldn't ever get in the way of my venturing into new waters. If Google were to roll out personalized search today I'd immediately look for the "turn off personalized results" feature.
I don't like the idea I'm getting different information from everyone else based on my past behavior...it inherently suggests a limitation to me, and I'm a big fan of the unobstructed stream of information we have today.
That said, I think we have a long way to go before personalized search will be fully integrated into the user experience. I don't think the technology or the methodology is there yet.
Note: The reply links aren't positioning my comments properly for some reason. This happens on occassion with me. Is this user error or a known bug?
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Ah . . . yes, but you point out an example of a poor algo for personalization. Look in depth at Amazon's options for a similiar situation. You can have them ignore your purchase for personalization reasons. You can easily rate a product that you didn't even buy from Amazon to help improve the personalization engine. The reason an Amazon would bode well if (and I emphasize if) personalization in search is the future is because they have spent 10 years tweaking the algo for personalization. That's a huge advantage!
Amazon are leaders in ecommerce not only because they dominate the industry on revenue but because they are early adopters of technology. Their affiliate program is second to none. Their web services applications are unmatched. They have a logistics system that rivals UPS or FedEx.
But not sure if Amazon will chase after search unless they have to chase after it. They have eBay to worry about and the brick and mortar dot coms are coming up fast. You'll see eBay going after Amazon soon and Amazon going after eBay. Amazon may well be too distracted with that battle to go after Google even if personalized search is 'where it is at'. If Google goes ecommerce though . . . you can bet Bezos and Company will react. ;-)
Payne
Thanks for your follow-up :) I know my example of Netflix is a bit rudimentary (it just happens to be the most annoying personalized search and I enjoy ever opportunity to bash it) and I appreciate your point about Amazon's refined algo. I wasn't aware you could have them ignore a purchase for personalization... I will keep that in mind the next time I buy.I do want to address the comment "You can easily rate a product that you didn't even buy from Amazon to help improve the personalization engine." It seems for personalized search to work well, a person must invest a lot of their time assessing products or content they never intend to purchase etc. in order to ensure a well-rounded assessment. Doesn’t this give Amazon valuable advertising data and an ability to influence buying patterns? If so, this is too invasive for my tastes, although I respect the intelligent design associated with it.
Everyone should note that Netflix created a $1 million data mining prize if anyone could come up with a better algorithim. Many of the top data mining researchers have undertook the challenge and are very close to reaching the 10% improved results goal.
Jeff Bezos is a fore-thinker. He is highly intelligent and his personalization algos on his site are the best in the industry. If search becomes about personalized search (which I'm not yet convinced it is) then Amazon has an opportunity to become a real player in the search market. Will they take that path? Who knows but it is a possible scenario. They screwed up A9.com but maybe it was too early for A9 or just the wrong timing. We'll see.
This seems like the perfect place to point out that Jeff Bezos, Larry Page, and Sergey Brin all attended Montessori schools as kids. That wouldn't mean much, except that they all give credit to their Montessori school experience for helping them become creative, independent, outside-the-box thinkers.
Trust me, it's not a coincidence that these forward-thinking companies are headed by former Montessori students. And yes, it makes me feel proud to be a Montessori teacher, knowing that the Montessori method shaped the way we do business on the internet.
Sorry for the digression - please return to your regularly scheduled programming...
How bizarre... I went to Montessori as a kid, too - public school for middle and high school, but Montessori as a little kid :)
If I began a link-bomb campaign for my elementary / middle (primary / intermediate) school for "ninth circle of hell", do you think our readers would join the effort?
@Rand - You've never mentioned that in the whole year I've been here??
J/K. That is really cool - and it supports my theory that the Montessori method has shaped the internet! (For good or bad, Jimmy Wales was a Montessori kid too.)
@Jane - I can't believe how many people (including me) feel that way. And yet we keep sending our kids to traditional school, as if having a horrible school experience (and one that stomps on our creativity and individuality) is some sort of required experience.
I love that more and more parents today are homeschooling and taking advantage of alternative methods of education, like Montessori. Kids can only benefit from it!
I never knew we had Northern Lights up here :)
I think you hit the key thing to remember right there. Yes, Google is incredibly powerful and has a huge amount of cash, but they're also barely a decade old. Just as Google was a virtual nobody in 1999, I think the next threat to Google, Microsoft, and other technology powerhouses are companies we've never heard of that are just getting off the ground. This market is moving incredibly fast, we've barely seen the beginning of the information revolution, and it's naive to think that the status quo will last long.
The biggest problem Google faces is that they continually favor authority and trust as a substitute for "relevance". This is not to say anyone else's results are better, but the amount of weight given to trust/authority means that a lot of mediocre content (Wikipedia, Digg, Blogspot) outperforms content that is better, sometime substantially better. The only way to rank certain content is to place it on a prominent domain..like a YOUMoz post or a SearchEngineLand article that would easily outperform my blog, even if it was only the abstract.
This is not a business threat to Google, per se, as much as it is a fundamental flaw in their algorithm which creates tremendous distortions in online traffic and revenues, resulting in the rich gettting richer. Aaron Wall frequently discusses the similarity between a paid link and a PR campaign.
The biggest business threat they face is that Google is a huge company with conflicting goals and policies. Beyond the Don't Be Evil rhetoric is a great company that has generally been a good actor.
Most of us admire Matt Cutts as a man of tremendous integrity and support his team's principled stand against spam. Anyone who has ever been to a search conference should appreciate his approachability and (relative) candor. Despite the virtues of their public faces, Google products are to blame for much of the debris that blights the virtual world.
The other real threat Google faces is their success. The idea of regulation may seem absurb, but remember that the political pendulum shifts over time and Google may some day be treated like a utility or at least subject to serious government oversight in the U.S. and abroad. It is far too early to guess how that would play out, but notices that the E.U. is not as content to approave the Double Click deal as the FTC.
I think #2 is most possible. I agree that it would be tough to think that anyone would be able to withstand the $$ that Google could throw in their face. But I think it will be someone with the same mentality of changing the world that Google had in the 90’s. If you combine a new fresh idea with the financial backing of say a an IBM who wants to be back in the front of the game, I think it could happen. Maybe Mac decides to get into the search game with the spotlight formula and uses a start up company to revolutionize the search field.
I do think that one might use all of these options or variations of them together to help make a more stable impact in the Search environment. My plan would be to go after a small niche and work my way up. Don’t attach a boxer head on, look for a possible weakness and try to exploit that. Not saying that Google has those weaknesses but they might be less likely to challenge in a niche area. I still think something will happen because change always happens. Its just a matter of time.
If Steve Jobs does to search what he's done with the Mac, iPod and Pixar - I think we'd have a contender.
Vinny,
I am not a Mac lover by any means but you may have something. However, I'd limit it to what Jobs has done to iTunes and MP3 players. The Mac was just a pretty skin . . . in my opinion.
Brent
I used to hate Macs and thought they were just for non-technical fanboys who wanted shiny color-coordinated computers to carry around under their arms.
Then...I bought an iPhone. And let's just say for my next laptop I was seriously considering a MacBook. Simply put: they understand making intuitive products. I consider myself more technical than the average person, and I am perfectly comfortable with the Windows environment. However, my experience with the iPhone has really turned me on. It isn't just a "cool gadget" - the thing is extraordinarily useful, and just about anybody who picks it up within seconds has a grip on how to do things like send email and browse the web. That says a lot for usability.
Not that I'd say Mac OSX has the same level of intuitive use...my experience with it is limited. I wouldn't be so quick to jump off the Windows platform because I am simply so comfortable there, but my experience with the iPhone at least has me thinking I shouldn't just write off Macs as "pretty."
But that, of course, is just my own experience/opinion.
One thing I hate: those stupid Mac commercials. Some of them are clever/funny, but they are a long way off from convincing me. Note to Mac: if you want to sell more Macs, sell the ease of use of the operating system...not your wise ass jabs at PC's and PC users.
This is a little off colour in places (suitable for all but the most severe office environment, I would think), but amused me greatly.
Rand, this is fun and the comments are interesting. Can you do a similar post about (say) Microsoft, or other search competition?
Hey Matt, nice to see you here..hope to see your commenting more frequently. You are that 'some one' who is in a position to authenticate seomoz's blogs and our comments too. Cheers ! :)
Hehe... that would be far less fun, Matt. What's the point of discussing the dominance unless the company is really dominant.
So we'll speak about them if (or should I say 'when'? no - if) they get #1 ;)
hey Matt - i dare NOT give you a thumbs down on your post... that's why this thread is about Google! :-)
Heh I can just see it now
"The #2 Biggest Threat to Live Search is their algorithm"
"The #1 Biggest Threat to Live Search is people figuring out HOW crappy their algorithm is"
Haha. That made me laugh :)
I think whatever it is will be an extension of what Google is now. It is engrained in the minds of the public. My parents, sister, friends, girlfriend all call 'searching' 'googling' - it simply defines search on the internet in the eyes of non-industry professionals (like us).
It is a tough call, I am all for a new startup redefining search and taking over, but just like operating systems are synonymous with Windows (in the eyes of the majority) - so is google with search and the internet.
Wow.... what a thread of comments.
The Info SERPs will be replaced by Knol (or some equivalent). This site will become the absolute "go to" for everything. If it does not have the info, it links to it. Another way to organize the worlds information.
The commercial SERPs will be replaced by an "affiliate share" engine. You become a member and search there for the products that you want to buy. If you buy you get a nice discount (which is really an affiliate commisision split between the buyer and the search engine). This is win-win-win..... vendor gets the sale, search engine gets a commission and buyer gets a discount.
I voted for something new coming along and shaking things up. It's difficult to imagine what it will be exactly, since text search seems to be the logical way to find content on the web...however remember that the technology to create blogs existed when the web was born, but it took years for someone to put it together.
What else is sitting right under our noses waiting for us to connect the dots?
I voted startup, but I think it would need to be acquired by a nokia / ibm / someone who can rebuff the advances of G early in the process.
I think Nokia or an operator (e.g. Vodafone) is particularly interesting - if someone other than G wins at mobile search, then we might have a fight on our hands (blog post coming soon from me about how that might actually be possible).
I am also taken by the discussion above with Tom and Brent - given how you have to look at G as a competitor with the big brand marketplaces. Why not look the other way as well?
Excellent points. I speak from experience when I say man-power is what is keeping Google away from the tidle wave of spam existing today. But even that is largely based off human reports.
Actually, today while rooting around I found scraper/cloaking siets indexed since 2002-2004 that are STILL LISTED. They just never link spammed(and pissed off forum admins), so they stayed alive. So there is apparently even weaknesses in the human side of things.
Those are all fine points, but none of them will ever be a reason why Google "falls".
You said it yourself - Google will buy any threatening technology, but another reason why they won't fall is their hiring practices. I've spoken with Google recruiters before and the process is simple, amazing, and highly effective.
Essentially, they hire people smarter than the people already at Google.
Now I'm sure they've had their problems, but the talent pool they get to dip into is VASTLY superior to any competitors - now or in the future. In an honest moment, how many here wouldn't stop what they are doing, walk out and move to Mountain View if Google summoned you to work there?
An interesting thought - would you load an operating system made by Google onto your PC? Laptop? What if it was FREE? What would that do to the industry?
I have to disagree about the talent pool. Google does have some incredibly talented people, but what worked for them as a cash-rich start-up isn't working now that they're monolithic. They're starting to treat HR more like other big corporations, are hiring more MBAs, and are gradually doing things that big organizations are forced to do. Google's size is a major threat to their hiring philosophy, and I think you'll see that start to unravel in the next couple of years.
I'm particularly interested in the last point Rand. Google running out of options to tweak it's technology to a pure, non-corroded version. I think it's already getting the pich from some local competitors and this makes sense. Absolutely the monopoly can't be torn down overnight, but these small clusters of specialized searches are creating cracks on the wall.
After all, turning a blind eye to problems can't keep you going all the time. having said that, there's not going to be a downfall with a thud or anything as many anticipates.
Google may pull up it's socks each time eating up startups that compete, which is again an interesting story.
Ah! look at all that fun! Search industry is sure happening isn't it? ;)
It's interesting you should mention IBM. On the surface, they wouldn't seem a likely candidate being an "old school" company.
However, it is clear that "Search" as an industry is in its embryonic stage. The potential for improvement is vast. Companies like IBM have made significant gains in autonomic computing models and neural software, a combination of which lends itself well to learning and understanding how humans think.
Couple the autnomic and neural components with the sheer computing power of something like IBM's Blue Gene architecture for massively parallel supercomputing, which was used most famously in IBM's Deep Blue machine which defeated chess champion Gary Kasparov, and you have an infrastructure capable of helping someone to find exactly what they are looking for.
The one significant element that remains is just how personalized we want our searches to be. At the core, people seem to be very leary of "big brother" and a large part of improvement in search will come down to individual profiling.
I do believe that it will be a company that is currently in the shadows that trumps Google with game changing technology. Google has become too broad in their focus to take search where it needs to go.
Don't know if it was mentioned in any of the comments above, but I think one of the treats to Google's dominance not mentioned in the original post is how they continue to handle privacy. My dad has alredy given up on them because he fears they "know too much." They do have access to a lot of information and how they handle that is going to determine of users continue to feel comfortable with them of not.
I've got to agree with Dr. Pete above. Things have moved incredibly fast over the last two years, even. To guess as to what, exactly, will dethrone Google in the future is the question venture capitalists are asking every day, have been asking for years.
I think approaching this question from the standpoint of what's going to beat out Google is backwards. Success for any new tech. venture is absolutely reliant on the value to the user - any innovator that has made a quantum leap in a competitive market has understood at the very basic level what is valuable to the user/customer. That's the focus. Competitors should be monitored, but they shouldn't set the bar. True innovators make the competition irrelevant.
But I wouldn't count Google out themselves. I believe the principals there deserve credit for being very forward-thinking. The next big move in the information revolution might end up coming from the same people who revolutionized search.
This is most odd.
Of the 10,000 words contained on this page/thread so far, only in 2 instances does the word "mobile" appear according to a bit of ctrl+f action.
If the googlebot were to evaluate its importance/relevance to this argument, it would be a near irrelevance then, Right?
And yet where is google putting most of its efforts and investment into?
So when we say web search I assume that includes mobile search.
zdnet.co.uk is running an interesting story about threats to google in the mobile space right now, however I think their reserves and proven strategic and executional skill will see them continue to thrive.
Could you consider mobile search vertical search as such? Yahoo has done lots of carrier deals, hence a big motive microsoft is interested in them. Mobile is a minefield but given most humans wedlock to the devices and their ubiquity its understandable google want to emulate their success on the pc screen to the mobile device.
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Mobile is important and will continue grow more so, but Google is leading in Mobile and will continue as long as the realm is text. Google is also making some big strides towards integrating GPS/location data and has a pretty huge technical lead based on Google Earth. Oh yes, they also (appear) to have picked off the best piece of wireless spectrum and are harnessing the open source movement to make sure that Google is well positioned to dominate mobile advertising.
For another player to outflank Google in Mobile will require a paradigm shift in how we interact with our mobile devices. I don't mean Iphones, even though I own one.
I think that the paradigm shift will come, but in a way which benefits anyone with a pure search offering.
The carrier deals which Yahoo! have been brokering are a short term gambit - My prediction is that the advent of online office suites will produce an environment where personal devices are just access tools for in-browser apps and, as such, the mobile device will simply be another (increasingly dominant) access point.
I, for one, look forward to it.
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A contender could be semantic web search technology
note the subtle plug :)
But I wouldn't be surprised if Google or MicroHoo just buy the emerging successful companies and add the new technology to their own. I wonder what form the internet be take in say 5 or 10 years time.
Well Rand I'm a bit ambitious in my expectations of where the internet is heading, a bit more to the side of sci-fi. We've hit a lull in creation I'd say, or at least it has been diluted by all the junk- but the 'next big thing' on the internet is always going to hit.
I'd say that when the web world moves from text to virtual, google will be in trouble. Virtual reality, video, or some 3d space age system could become so cutting-edge that it would leave Google in its tracks. In fact, with Google in the position it is in, and continually rising, I would say that nothing short of a technological miracle- such as virtual 3d indexing and retrieval- could knock Google off its pedestal.
Something like a kinky merger between your television set, a humanly-intuitive algorithm, virtually unlimited storage, and extremely powerful CPUs and GPUs. Mate this beast with the cell phone you've got that's the size of a robin's egg- and you've got something so cutting edge that Google would shit its pants.
Granted... Google Corp. might even have its hands on that- beit through an aquisition, or in some way funding the developement.
Being a sci-fi fan I have read many stories of future sciences and technologies that would cast google into the same category as runes carved in stone. I think we as internet users and SEOmozzers are a little guilty of thinking that google = internet at present. Nothing is as certain as change and that will too. Google is text and search of text. This means that google is very powerful right now but eventually the net will move beyond "pages" of content and when it does something broader and more integrated into our lives will be at the center enabling it.
Think of all those starship captains saying "computer, how many parsecs until the Ildiran quadrant?" becoming you walking home saying aloud "House, can you turn the heating on and look-up a cheaper gas provider I think this month is going to be a cold one. Oh and can you order a deep-pan perpperoni from that new place downtown - I can't remember the name. Delivery at 8 and take it from my paypal account". In other words the thing that will supplant google or the thing google will mutate into will the the thing that enables your life not just the thing that enables you to search for things to enable your life.
Personally I am hoping one day my home computer will be in the form of "Teddy" from AI :)
I think the scenario you list here is much closer than we might think.
You are probably right. I hope so. Also, I used the word thing in that last sentence 5 times! Terrible english - sorry all.
Rand, I don't see any one threatning Google so far and even in the coming future. I believe that, things will change only with the emergence of behavorial search engines. The search engine which will serves best results according to the information it has about the user, will win the race. As you said, it has to appealing to the technoratis around too. Recent acquisition by many online players is indicating that all the major players - Google, MSN, facebook and Yahoo are quitely loading their arsenal with behavorial targeting and are all set to blaze. The one with the biggest and most popular network will be the future leader. So Google is still the biggest contender for the future top Search Engine spot. I reckon that it will continue to rule.
For some reason I've no believe in the existing players... I really want to hope that that will be a startup - someone who will give new breath to search and search marketing (probably that would be for worse for us, search marketers but I am still eager to see what is going to change).
But... something tells me we won't see any drastic changes in the nearest future. Google is not going to give up easily - and I don't see any worthy competitor.
Given the choices above - its going to take something completely new.
We need to look at Google as we would any market leader - as someone who is possibly encumbered by their own infrastructure. In this case the infrastructure being their own index and algorithm.
A new company - with a brand new approach to delivering what the user wants - will be the next leader in search. Whether its partially human powered, reviewed - or reviewed by an AI who can read "thumbs" and other social influences - or semantic based - or completely personalized - or whatever.
The problem as you said is the acquistion risk. You'd need it to be done by some young at heart person who wants to change the world at the risk of his own wallet (an early Mark Zuckerman). Otherwise Google will buy it up, place in Google Labs and let it die on the vine.
Verticals aren't the way to go - Google has too many resources and they can dominate mindshare in the top 10 or 20 verticals that would make any kind of difference.
As search methods change, so will Google, and I have seen nothing which makes me doubt Googles ability to be the world dominant force in search and search marketing, and Im sure they will continue to evolve and rise! It's a scary thought that most people cant accept, but a true one at that.
I don't think MSN is "sexy" enough, Yahoo is a meandering mess and the only engine in my opinion that has "sex appeal" is Ask - so Microsoft should think about their interface for search - it just looks cool.
Problem? Ask is not a "sexy name" and will not cut it - I reckon buying a really cool dom name such as Mamma etc would be the key to changes.
Having said that I am so into Google it's untrue - even the Google Store and its product line/service rocks.
I use Google Apps and beta test a few other things too,,,
I love all the changes it keeps me going....
David
I think google's only threat is themselves. There is nothing out there right now that even poses a minut threat to google. However, like any mega-corporation they can still self destruct. Add that in to the fact that all they really do is offer advertising, and they have a medium for failure. I can't see it happening any time soon, but the possibility exists.
I think the lesson to be learned about Google is that it provided a great alternative to the other major SEs at that time (think Yahoo) from the beginning, something that just has not been replicated.
Spam has been an issue with results in Google in the past, so I really don't think this would be an effective GG killer.
I haven't really seen an alternative yet that would make me use it instead of the other major SEs, and regarding some of these start ups, some are not open for business yet so it is hard to critique something you haven't used yet.
Things like verticals, as you elluded to, players like Google are developing these as well, so no non-Google player has yet offered something that is a strong alternative to it.
...for me, the jury is still out.
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but my most query is solved by your blogs.
The way people think is visual. Search engine tech focuses on text, and you gotta make damn sure they get to read it, so that your site gets properly indexed. The overwhelming trend to more graphic intensive, eye candy is going to be the one to tap into.
I always like your articles (they are very readable and just browsing them lets me get the gist-- have you considered a career in usability?) and this specific article of yours I like even more. I vote for none of the above, though. I have a 6th option in which people realizes Google is getting so big it must be the devil :P just kidding.
Google have knocked the BBC off the top spot as biggest brand in the UK and are the only firm formed after 1990 in the top 50.
Sorry for the late comment, as I'm trying desperately too reduce the amount of items I still have to read in my feedreader (decreased it from 1400+ to 1100+ in the last 3 days ;)).
I, voted for spam and in this case I don't really mean traditional spam, but also spam by SEO optimalization which sometimes makes irrelevant results getting on the top results. That's one of the biggest reasons I switched back too Yahoo as my primary searchengine a few months ago. Of course Yahoo has issues too, like too many hits from the same domain on queries or a lot of results from javadocs when you search for something Java related but in general the results feel more natural to me.
Of course it's logic to optimize your site for search engines, as your rival also does this, but sometimes it feels that optimization has too much domination over quality content.
My money is on #3 "Web Search Fractures into Verticals." It is my belief that people invest heavily in authoritative sources. The concept of industry specific, expert search definitely has legs. It reminds me of the new commercials for the job search engine aimed at "100k salaries for 100k people." It heralds the concept of the "quality" of job results you receive if you let “everyone play.” That is pretty bold, but I think it speaks to the idea of subject exclusivity in search. If I am a well paid executive looking for a new career opportunity why would I go to jobbing.com where I would have to sift through a myriad of inapplicable positions when there is a resource available that culls results specific to my needs?
I'm not brave enough to pick what could be Google's downfall (and it seems that we're always trying to pick the Google killer, doesn't it?) but personally, I find myself heading straight to niche sites more and more.
I would never start a search for housing at Google. Nor would I start a search for anything vaguely medical at Google. I know too much about how searches like that can be gamed for fun and profit! But I don't know how quickly the public might move away from general search engines for specific searches.
My failure to vote for my favourite option (no, that wasn't a vote) is pretty much indicative of how much I dislike being asked to make public guesses about something that might or might not happen. I'm just one of those people who doesn't put up her hand when the speaker asks a question during a conference session :)
Yes but you are the small fraction of advanced users. We've all seen the PowerPoint presentations showing that people don't even realize that Google Image search exists, that Google Product Search exists, etc. They know Google and they do their search and click on the first page of results. After that, they get what they were looking for or get distracted by the sites they click on and head off to who knows where but satisfied that Google helped them find what they were looking to find. Whether they could have accomplished a better answer from a vertical search or vertical niche site doesn't matter, they feel Google delivered.
Life is all about perception and rarely about reality. If the masses perceive that Google is their solution to find anything they are looking for online then Google continues to win.
Personally, I am a pseudo vertical guy. (Please, hold the jokes and remember that you are at work. lol) I use Wikipedia when I am looking for general information on concrete topics. I use Expedia exclusively for travel (though I always check out Alaska and JetBlue and recently xjet). But you'll never see me use Google for travel and you'll never see me use PriceLine or Orbitz, etc. Real Estate information . . . I go to the public records for the county/city. It is very cumbersome but I feel it is more accurate than Zillowm (but I also always go see how close Zillow was after I looked it up). I shop exclusively at Amazon.com. I love the 2nd day free shipping (yep, I'm a Prime member) and their customer service is unmatched. They have everything I need and it is reasonably priced. Medical information . . . always WebMD.
For everything else I use Google and if I am looking specifically for an image, I'll use Google Image search but never Product Search, never Google News, or any of the other dozen plus verticals.
Brent D. Payne
Which is why I just gave my opinion and refrained from applying it to the world at large :)
I think that an existing competitor winning back share is perhaps the most likely - simply because I think that a startup would most likely fall prey to a take-over from one of the existing players in the market.
I would assume that it would be via such a take-over that an existing competitor might make in-roads into share.
That said, web search fracturing into verticals is certainly a possibility, as the results from a vertical site are by their nature more relevant.
I used to work for an online job board and the vertical search traffic (though not as copious as traditional search traffic) was of excellent quality. However, perhaps this will be niche focussed as although vertical search is ideal for those searching for jobs (as resuts from many job boards can be found in one place); I'm not convinced that this could be rolled out across all industries.
Yeah I agree that the web could fracture into verticles.
But how many verticles? Are we willing to go to 10 different specialized SE's, 20 specializd SE's? I think there is a definite saturation point for the number of verticles which is approxamately equal to the number of different types of media or types of websites available.
eg. ecommerce websites, video websites, pictures, news, scholarly articles, etc
I often use a SE just to find someone who is big in the field. Then from that trusted site I will click through the links and find other cool sites. The big sites in the field almost always know the coolest sites around.
For example: Lets say I want info about Organic and local farming. I dont need to go to a specialized search engine for farming, and then search for 'organic local farming'.
I just use google to find a cool site like https://www.iheartfarms.com and then from that site I find other kick ass sites like https://www.localharvest.com which has forums about organic farming, farmer's markets, , location of 1000000 farmers' markets, etc.
I generally trust links from a cool site to another site more than the sites recommended by a search engine.
You say you don't need a vertical site for farming - instead you can use a regular search engine to find an authority site; then click through to other sites from there; but surely that's somewhat inefficient?
If there was a vertical for farming you would very quickly be able to find lots highly relevant links - and also find other sites more easily.
After all, increasingly the web is catering for a series of niches, where people with similar interests and ideas can interact - perhaps vertical search is a natural extension of these communities?
vertical communities = "communicals" ?
I used to spend a lot of time talking about vortals (vertical portals) - am I showing my age?!
Do you plan to use twenty-twenty after the twenty-twelve, twenty-thirteen thing runs out?
I think the number of verticle SE's depends solely on how many URLs people can remember. How many people look for Expedia or YouTube on Google, because they can't remember (or don't know) the URLs of those sites? If you get the Wordtracker keyword emails, you've seen some of the obvious (and stupid) searches people do. The average human mind is just not equiped to remember all those details all the time. Therefore, I think there will always need to be general search to bring us to those specialized SEs
well Randy, it is hard to predict what will come next, and if Google will ever fall from the top, but your thoughts are always good to read about.
From what I could think of, I would say that web Search will fractures into verticals, as far as the users are doing researches, let say on daily basis, and are always looking for the same type of information : for instance, a designer looking for pictures, and images would use a search engine like https://xcavator.net/ where you can find an image :
But on a broad search side, unless there are some companies as you mentioned like Nokia, might come to tackle the big G, it will be very hard. We have seen that the AOL /Time Warner, with all their money, cannot bring it to the top. So it will have to be a mix of Big Money and a new way of searching the web I guess.
...still... Who is Randy? Did I miss something?
This was exactly my thought, Ann, you beat me to the first comment. Thumbs! :)
It's so weird how just one letter can make such a difference to a name, mine included.
We can take a cue from SE Asian countries where search engines like Mohalo have been very successful. I feel that there are many compelling reasons for a new start up to take over web search and we will see something like that coming up in next few years.
Also, Google has lot of fat now and it will be hard for the company to move to a new technology. However, they can still buy that company !!!
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It must be last option., for me its the biggest among them.,
I think that search will fragment into verticals and that we will also see a situation where cloud computing will mean that almost all search comes from social sites.
I do not, however, see either of these as Google killers. In both instances the use of an existing algorithm is going to work and I foresee major engines continuing to dominate with new vertical interfaces and, to be blunt, by buying up the search equity of social communities.
The increase in mobile search is unlikely to affect market share and, without a change in the corporate paradigm, I do not recognise a huge power shift opportunity in the up-coming on-line office suite revolution either.
Best bet to knock Google down? Baidu.
#2 & 3 options are the closest thing to be Google's threat. An existing competitor must match Google's system but it's only possible if there's enough money (coz G has a lot of it!).Then Vertical SEs are becoming popular these days - which can be Google's biggest threat.
In my humble opinion, Google, just like any mega-funded company will not let another startup (or a growing vertical, for that matter) to become a formidable force without buying them out. (Think Microsoft.)
I agree that finding a VC that would pass a buy out offer would be nearly impossible.
In my mind there are 2 possibilities: either search as we know it becomes irrelevant, which is very unlikely in the near future, or Google, like many huge companies before, starts caving under its own weight and produce inferior product (think MIcrosoft). In that case, people will eventually abandon it in favor of a _______________ (fill in your favorite from the points above :)
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