Directories can provide a rapid way to get new links to a site. Opinions on how to approach this range from submitting to every directory in site, to being highly selective. This post will discuss what's happening under the covers to provide some perspective on how you might choose to approach it.
The Basics - Yahoo
The key things that search engines look for in determining whether a directory will pass link juice are pretty basic. They are:
- A submission policy that states that you are paying for an editor to review your listing, not to get a listing. The key subtlety here is that they can review your proposed listing and decide that they don't like it, and then keep your money without listing you. The importance of this is that it means that there is real editorial judgment implied by the policy.
- Evidence that the policy is enforced.
Ultimately, "Anything for a buck" directories do not enforce editorial judgment, and therefore the listings do not convey value to the search engines.
To take a closer look at this, let's examine some of the key statements from Yahoo's directory submission terms:
For web sites that do not feature adult content or services, the Yahoo! Directory Submit service costs US$299 (nonrefundable) for each Directory listing that is submitted.
I understand that there is no guarantee my site will be added to the Yahoo! Directory.
I understand that Yahoo! reserves the right to edit my suggestion and category placement; movement or removal of my site will be done at Yahoo!'s sole discretion.
The key thing to understand here is that you pay your money, and you have no guarantee of getting a listing at all, and your listing can be changed at will by Yahoo's editors. You can pay your $299 and receive essentially nothing in return for it. From a legal perspective, what you pay for is the review by Yahoo's editors.
Now here is the key point that you won't find in print on Yahoo's page. Google trusts Yahoo's editors, and Google believes that Yahoo does in fact attempt to turn away all the poor quality sites that get submitted to it.
Of course, mistakes do happen. Sometimes relatively poor quality sites do get in when they should not. That's a shame when that does happen, but in general, the editorial policies are real and enforced.
Other Directories
Do search engines respect other directories? Yes, they do. Here is a small sampling of some that we believe do pass link juice, courtesy of The Professional's Guide to Link Building on SEOmoz (within the PRO Content section):
The guide shows a much longer list of directories that SEOmoz believes have value.
Note that the search engines do try to use an innocent until proven guilty approach. Directory sites will most likely pass PageRank, regardless of their editorial policy until someone reports them, or a human review is initiated on the directory for some other reason.
Steps for Analyzing Directory Value for Yourself
Now you have a directory that you are interested in contacting. What do you do? You should attempt to make a determination whether or not the directory is truly serious about the quality of their listings. Directories that currently pass link juice may not later on, so you want to be careful about investing in those.
Of course, if you are able to get the sense that a directory currently passes link juice, but is a poor quality directory, the only real downside to buying into it now is that eventually that link will not pass value any more.
But, let's press on with trying to find the higher value directories. You need to look for clues that they will stand the test of time. Here are some things that you can look for:
- Was it funded by a serious VC firm, or a major company in a given vertical space? If so, they are more likely to care about the quality of what they are building.
- Has it already been around for a long time? If so, it is more likely to be around for a while yet.
- How are the commercializing their business? Assuming they are selling editorial reviews, is AdSense plastered all over the place too? If it is, they are most likely not a serious player.
- Are there lots of unrelated links on pages that look like purchased text links? If so, it's a sure clue that someone will turn them in eventually.
- Related to the prior two points, anything that makes the site look spammy is a clue that they are not a serious player.
- Does their backlink profile includes lots of purchased links?
- If they publish other content on the categories they cover, is it pretty cheesy or truly authoritative?
- Do most of the categories they offer appear to have a significant number of listings in them?
- And, of course, do they have a clear published editorial policy that makes it clear that you are paying for a review?
Of course, I should emphasize that based on our examination, these directories appear to be of good quality and likely to last over the long haul, but there is no guarantee.
Example 1: Itrain Online. This has a PR 6 home page, and its topic is computer and Internet training resources for development and social change. Here are some key thing we like about this directory:
- The site has a strong editorial policy.
- There is no fee, so money does not bias the acceptance of listings.
- Advertising on the site is minimal, and the advertising is clearly labeled.
Even though the depth of listings is not always that deep, the overall design and structure of the directory is so clean that it seems likely to be OK. Here is a quick look at the home page of the site:
Example 2: New Zealand Tourism Online. The home page is a PR 6, and the listing pages are PR 4. Here are some key observations about the directory:
- The site is advertising supported
- Listings are not paid for, but are editorially selected
- Listing quantity per category is high
The ad revenue for the site depends on the quality of their listings, which creates a big disincentive to let any bad sites in. Here is a quick screen shot of the site:
Example 3: The Internet TESL Journal. This site has a PR7 home page. The content is highly academic in nature, and features the best new educational ideas direct from practitioners. The home page looks like this:
Here are a few key points about the site:
- There is no overt link back to the author's site. This site does not pass PageRank, but read on.
- Articles do contain the author's email address.
- You can cite references in your articles.
Getting on this site is about reaching influencers. You can gain exposure to an audience of educators. You will only value this if you are in the education business in some fashion, but if you are, you may attract the attention of some interesting people by getting your article posted here. You can also leverage getting posted here in marketing the value of your site to others (it's an endorsement).
Bad Directory Examples
I am not going to list URLs for the risky directories, as the purpose of this post is not to out anybody in particular.
Example 1: It's a PR7 site with a PR7 directory home page. The overall content is authoritative in nature, so this is good. The PageRank is also great. However, there is no clearly published editorial policy on the site. A deeper look at the site, and it looks a lot like the policy really is pay your money, and you are in.
It's quite possible that this site currently does pass link juice. However, over the longer term it seems likely that the ability of this directory to pass link juice will get pulled.
Example 2: This one is a PR4 site that has PR4 links pages. There is a little bit of AdSense advertising up top, but not in an overwhelming fashion. Unfortunately, the links go through a redirect, so they may not pass PageRank. However, there are lots of unrelated links on pages at the bottom, which clearly are ads. Those ads do pass link juice.
Pay Per Post
Why don't these links count? The short answer is that it has already been proven guilty. Pay per post services were marketed as a way to get link juice, which did not help. But the bigger issue is that the basic test of paying money to get an editorial review, which might not result in a link, is not met by these types of services.
Pay per post services pay you for providing the link, and as a result, the link is treated like any other purchased link.
Summary
With our clients, we actively recommend directories as a part of their link building strategy. This includes the major general purpose directories, such as the ones we cited from The Professional's Guide to Link Building on SEOmoz. These are trusted directories and provide valuable links.
In addition to these, we look for vertical directories specific to the industry of our client. Nearly every business or market space has one or more high quality directories that are really worth getting into.
You can also pursue some other "edgier" directories if you like. If you do this in limited quantity, you will probably be OK, and possibly get some additional link juice. Just don't be surprised if they stop adding value some day.
However, make sure you stay away from obviously sleazy directories, and keep the quantity of edgy directories your pursue to a minimum. If you are in a lot of edgy directories, and a search engine sees that you have been doing so, you may become flagged for a human review. Nothing good can come out of an requested human review by a search engine.
We don't even consider these types of directories with our clients. We spend the same time and energy we would searching for those in searching for high quality natural links.
Learn how to locate quality directory links for your site (or client's sites) and you will be able to quickly pick up a bunch of quality links. Then stay away from the riff-raff so this strategy won't cost you at a later time.
My personal choice is niche directories - this method is not yet so heavily overused...
Thanks for a post!
Absolutely but we don't get the better list for every niche.
-Sri
We always try to find niche directories but we find it's more difficult lately.
What I would suggest is looking at the directory domain names who is - see when it changed hands. A very scammy thing that directory owners tend to do is buy off urls with high PR, set up an auomated directory and charge till the next PR update, when the site gets devalued.
Also, as Ann points out, niche directories, and in particular local directories do very well for small clients, despite low PR.
Use search engine operators to find these...
Interesting post. Maybe someone have an idea how to be faster in DMOZ I wait a couple of months for registration ?
Hi Robert, We are waiting almost 2 years now and still no listing. Did you finally get it?
Excellent article -- I'm glad someone returns to this topic every couple of months and substantively validates the role of directories. Thumbs up.
Pulkit007 - I think the reason why the money needs to be paid no matter what is because Yahoo invested the time, and that is largely what they get paid for.
If they did not keep the money, there would no disincentive for submitting crappy sites, and they would get totally flooded with crappy requests.
Yes Eric, I understand that very well. But my point here is they can charge more for directory submission request to compensate for the extra man power they have to employ so that they can afford to refund if not all, atleast a portion of what the website owner has paid. I won't mind paying an extra hundred dollar if I know that I will get a part refund if my website is rejected.
I can't agree more with Eric on this. When you think about it for a sec, charging hundreds of $ for review doesn't make sense, but if you think it over, it really does. Yahoo charges a lot for review and this simple (and of course beneficial) way allows the, to filter spammy submissions. They are probably getting much less submissions because of it but resources required to maintain the directory are much lower. If they would charge less for review and more for the actual listing, people would say that some sites should've never been listed but Yahoo probably did it to get more profit. $299/y hurts but it's the only way to do it.
Great post, Eric. I'm happy to see that my link building practices are in line with your own regarding directories.
The unfortunate thing is that I still come across many self-proclaimed "SEO firms" selling their clients on "automatic submission to over 300 web directories" for ~$500. Obviously the editorial process there is non-existent. A friend of mine actually recently contracted with an SEO firm that offered this to him. He asked me if I thought it was "a good deal." I explained briefly why, no, it isn't a good deal, and in fact it may be worthless...but I think he went ahead with it anyway. The fact is that to many small business owners 300 directories for $500 sounds a lot better than 5-10 directories for the same price. There is a lot of misinformation out there, a lot of it perpetuated by less-than-honest or uninformed "SEO firms."
I guess there's nothing to be done about this but continue to educate our current/prospective clients. It sure can be frustrating, though.
-Mike
A very useful post! Thanks!
Timely for me, too, since our webmaster (we're a 16-year-old brick and mortar store with a fairly new website hosted by our print catalog company) just sent an announcement saying that I needed to resubmit to directories -- including Google and Yahoo -- every month. I was very surprised by this advice. I have never seen it here -- but on the other hand, we do pay those guys.
Should I be re-submitting regularly instead of watching for good new directories to submit to?
There is no need to re-submit to Yahoo, or to Google. They don't like it when you submit over and over again. If you bought the $299 submission package from Yahoo they will remind you when it comes due again.
As for DMOZ (the Google directory is providfed by DMOZ), multiple submissions can result in you getting blacklisted with them. It makes them mad.
If you are talking about simple URL submissions (as opposed to directory submissions), I would not repeat those either. It just adds no value at all, and you should spend your time on other things.
Thanks!
Eric,
nice contribution and coverage of some of the fundamentals.
I think some of the key points as well they came through the comments are to identify vertical and niche directories, and similar to what you were touching on is sites that add value and probably serve as a resource above and beyond being a directory...especially those where the directory is just one part of the site.
Oh, and of course, highly topically relevant directories are also more likely to deliver the other kinds of visitors...potential customers/clients.
I enjoyed the article - well thought out and nicly explained
If you do make a submission to DMOZ wait until you're worthy of the "best free directory in the world".
I'd spend less time worrying about general directories and focus on ones related to your niche.
Maybe some of you will think I'm the biggest idiot in the world, but I just launched a new business centered on building online directories. If anyone wants to check it out and give me some feedback on what you think, I'd appreciate it. It's called DeclareMedia, and rather than building general directories, we have launched thousands of local, niche business directories. We've tried to follow the majority of Google's guidelines and general best practices for not getting penalized, but it will be an interesting experiment to see what happens. We just launched in August and so far half of the 2,500 directories we've launched are already ranking in the top 10 on Google for the keywords they target. Over 100 of them are #1.
I'm still toying with the idea of a Yahoo directory submission...is it really worth $299?
I think it's one of the better links to get for a fresh new site
Just to give everyone a heads up on the LinkDirectory. Jayde was listed there and seems to be benign, but be careful about their follow-up: they try to get you to be a part of iSubmit (one of those previously mentioned by the commending SEO-ers here) which promises 300 links but has been known to keep on charging after you discover they're not a good company to work with. This is probably a big "duh!" to the experienced SEO-ers out there, but just want to get this out and known (esp for the sake of the newbies).Obviously, if it's too good to be true, chances are, it is.
Good, detailed post, Eric. Also agree on the niche and local directories comments here.
Thanks for the article, I would also mention that some of these directories also send direct traffic as a side benefit.
Also, In SEOmoz's pro content, they have a link directory in there. 144 directories, their page rank, and an "Estimated Value" score (1-weak to 5-exceptional).
I'll add some more directories this week. Sorry for the lack of updates the last couple weeks--being site manager/consultant/blogger/Rand's whipping boy/SMX attendee has kept me pretty busy lately.
It's one of the harder things to explain to a prospective client, that 300 links from crap directories isn't anywhere near as good as 3 links from quality directories.
Again, I try to speak to their wallets, and tell them what they're going to make one way versus another.
Awesome entry though, so pleased that they moved it but, what were you doing in the YouMoz section anyway? Shouldn't you be a standby in the regular blog area?
Eric's blogging for us, so his posts will be auto-promoted. I think this system was easier than giving him admin status.
Nice post Eric. I believe yahoo's alogos are much more firendly towards directory links than Google. Google see the website's with too many directory links with a raised eye brow most of the time. Never the less, I still think it's woth it, but one has to be really selective in his approach.
But what I fail to understand is the fact that why should a person be charged only for reviewing his website, why ain't his money refunded ( or even half of it) if his website fails to pass the editorial review. Many people don't even dare to submit their website to yahoo just bcoz they are afraid loose their $299 without getting anything in return even if they have a quality website. Cmmon...charge 400 but atleast refund the money if you don't dont give anything in return.
I think it will be much easier and sensible if yahoo and Google start reviewing and controling the directories as well, so that they can value the websites listed in their associated directories n wont have to go through each websites one by one. If a directory passes their test, the listed website in that directory also will.. This way these search engines can charge fee from direcotires too. So that every one gets his share of juice and no one dies thirsty.
Excellent article and thank you for the educators directory you mention. I have been looking into that sector lately and was about to start research on good online education directories, resources and blogs.
Again, I really enjoyed this post. A lot of good advice here on how to avoid pitfalls and traps on directory sites. 2 enthusiastic thumbs up!
I think there are good and bad directories out just like anything else. It takes time to find reputable ones. And the main disadvantage is in directories are, While the main page and a few of the main category pages might be indexed in the search engines, many others are not. If interior category pages aren't indexed, they have no ability to pass any link juice to your site.
ExactSeek is now PR3. I would remove that from your list of good directories. Not based on the PR only... but Google went through and penalized a bunch of directories and hand edited them down to PR0 (for bad offenders) and PR3 (for the questionable ones).
I'm getting SO tired of all these directory posts listing old data or bad sites.
Actually, It looks like all of the sites listed in ExactSeek are No-Follow'ed now. Can someone verify this by looking at a category? This is usually the first thing that happens when a directory gets penalized and they go into "panic" mode.
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Yup, the internal pages have the following:
META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NOFOLLOW"
I'm not showing the links nofollow'ed on my end - see this page (the Art Gallery section): https://web1.exactseek.com/webclient/?query=GalleriesThe links on that page do not have the rel="nofollow" attribute.
However, it's worth noting that even the main category pages have zero or no PageRank.
<edit>Kurt is correct - they're nofollowing at the Meta tag level (see below).</edit>
The individual links do not have nofollow... but looks at the page metadata.
<META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NOFOLLOW">
Ah, you're right, did not catch that. Interesting that they're redirecting the obvious "sponsored" links and now nofollowing everything as well - I think you may be onto something about them being in "panic" mode.
Cannot agree more.
And, What is the guarantee the above ones will not be penalized ?
I am almost certain that the days of directories are getting over.
Starting Point is now a PR 3 also