Introduction from Will Critchlow:
I want to introduce the post that follows for two reasons. First, it’s a little different to the majority of posts we write for the SEOmoz blog, and second, it’s Caitlin’s first post here. Caitlin Krumdieck is our Director of Client Development at Distilled. Until she joined the company (as a sales executive), I had sold every piece of work that Distilled had done. She (supposedly) joined the company to assist me in responding to leads and putting together proposals. When she out-sold me in her third month, it became clear that I should be making way for her to do her thing and her growth at Distilled has continued from there. Along the way, she’s learned some interesting things about herself and the various roles she’s held in the company. I hope you enjoy reading about Caitlin’s growth and development and take away something useful for your own career and company.
Throwing myself in the deep end (aka learning how to be a manager)
I always thought I wanted to be a manager. Growing up naturally bossy and bit of a control freak, it just seemed like the natural spot for me to end up. So when I stepped into my first management position at Distilled, I was surprised at how hard the transition was. Moving from consultant to manager of a team required a complete change of mindset and challenged me in ways I never expected. Today, I'll be sharing the four things I believe are worth thinking about if you are looking to make the move into management.
Gut check: make sure you actually want to be a manager
About three months after my transition from London Sales Exec into the Head of Sales role, I had a very frank conversation with Will Critchlow (Distilled's Co-Founder) about my role. He then asked me point blank if I actually wanted to be a manager.
For me, this was a career-changing question. At the time, I was having a tough time letting go of my old responsibilities and moving forward into management responsibilities. I had been working in sales for over six years. I loved the buzz of talking to clients and closing deals. I liked the fact that I was personally responsible for bringing in revenue for Distilled, and I still valued my contribution to the company by the amount of money I could generate. So instead of focusing all my time and energy on how to make my team awesome, I was still spending at least 70% of my time trying to bring in new business. This meant I was essentially doing two jobs, over working myself, and not giving my team the management support they needed.
My answer to Will was, “Let me think about it.” I surprised myself by not going right back to him with a, “Hell yeah, I want to be a manager” response. I spent a few days really thinking about the changes I would need to make if I really wanted to step into a management position. To help me evaluate both opportunities, I made a list of the responsibilities for each. I thought about what it would mean to my day-to-day work, and I asked myself quite frankly, “Will I be happy as a manager?”
I think a lot of people make the mistake of skipping this step. They think that, because management seems like a step up, it is the natural progression they should strive for. But the truth is that management isn’t for everyone. It is a somewhat thankless job that requires a lot of patience, focus, determination, and self-motivation. It isn’t just a progression from a consulting role; it’s a complete job change.
In the end, I decided to challenge myself and devote myself fully to becoming a great manager. I would love to say that from the moment I made that decision everything changed, but to be honest, it took about another nine months before I made the full transition.
So before you eagerly put yourself forward for that management position, ask yourself, “Do I really want to be a manager?” If you are currently a consultant and love working on accounts, would you be happy if your daily responsibilities shifted from being at the heart of the action to becoming the person setting team targets, having line manager meetings, and generally solving problems? Would you miss the thrill of the discovery that only comes from day-in, day-out work with clients? These aren't easy questions, and it is well worth taking the time out to really think about what a move into management means. Rand wrote a great post covering the management vs contributor conundrum, highlighting how management isn't everything and shouldn't be the only growth path within a company.
Transitioning: re-learning how to be a team player
When I was in high school, I was the goalie for my school’s water polo team. This role requires a lot of the same characteristics of a great manager. While everyone knows that it is the goalie’s job to stop the ball from going in the net, it is also the goalie’s responsibility to set plays into motion. However, once the ball is in play, they need to get their ass back to the goal and provide support. From the vantage point in the goal, you can see the whole pool, so it is your job to let the other members of the team know what's going on, but you can’t actually get involved. A goalie is the ultimate support position. Sure, you get credit for any major saves, but you never get credit for the goals your offense scores.
Management is very similar. At Distilled, we subscribe to the belief that good management means being the support for the whole rest of the team, not the other way around. We are avid believers of Joel Spolsky’s support function approach to management.
https://www.avc.com/a_vc/2012/02/the-management-team-guest-post-from-joel-spolsky.html
As a manager, you have to be constantly aware of everything happening and make yourself available to help, but you need to let your team score their own goals. A good manager doesn’t take all the great leads/clients; they share their experience and knowledge so their team is able to step up and perform on their own.
Another big mind shift for me in going from a consultant to a manager, was learning to see my team’s success as my success. While I wasn’t out there directly making clients happy, I was supporting a team that was getting results. That is the management win.
Learning to lead: don’t dictate, start a flywheel
We talk about the power of flywheels a lot at Distilled. Building a great team should be approached with the same ideology and methodology as starting a flywheel. The goal is the same: ideally, when you push hard in a consistent direction for a length of time, it seems to get easier and easier to build momentum. With a small team and big targets, it was essential for me to think about how, as the manager, I could push my team to get the best possible results and continued growth for Distilled.
It’s easy to assume that you know what all the right answers are and that your team should do things your way. This was a mistake I made when I first started managing my team. As the first sales person at Distilled, I created a lot of our original sales material. I thought the most successful approach would be to get my team to just use what I built and go out and sell the way I would sell things. That approach worked OK for a while, but it was short-sighted and didn’t allow us to leverage the talent within our team. It also meant I had to be involved with every major deal we did, which limited our ability to speak with a larger number of clients.
So I took a step back. I stopped telling people how I thought they should approach working with a new client, and I started asking them what they thought they should do. I forced myself to stop getting involved in every conversation, and gave my team the space and responsibility to own all the client relationships, only bringing me in when they really need me. Instead of bulldozing in when trying to solve problems, I started to refuse to give my team advice until they told me what they thought a solution looked like.
The results have been amazing. My team has grown in confidence and the work they are doing now is more than twice as good as it was when I was forcing my approach on them. We are talking to more clients than ever before, and were able to double business last year without growing the size of our team.
Getting results: make sure your team knows what is expected of them
As a sales team, it was easy to focus target setting on revenue, but that only looks at part of the picture. If you only focus on the money coming in, you might miss some crucial areas of personal development that need to also be addressed as a manager. While I could use our sales reporting system to see how my team was performing, I couldn’t see if they were happy or achieving what they wanted to in their roles.
The first step I took was to redefine the roles within our team and to set out clear responsibilities of the roles my team currently filled and what progression into more senior roles would look like. I made sure to focus not just on their sales targets, but also team development responsibilities within the role. I put in more ownership-based responsibilities so the team could see how they were a part of the big picture and not just a cog. This helped my team to see exactly what is expected of them and what they can start working on to progress to the next level within the team. It also allowed me to open up conversations with my team on what sideways steps might look like, should someone on the team choose to move in a new direction.
Once I had the roles clearly defined, I sent out a happiness survey to each member of my team. Here are the questions I asked my team.
- On a scale of 1-5 with 5 being the best, how happy are you in your role at the moment?
- On a scale from 1-5 with 5 being the best, how do you feel you are performing in your role?
- Do you feel like you know what is expected of you in your role?
- On a scale from 1-5 with 5 being the best, do you feel that you are well supported in your role?
- On a scale of 1-5 with 5 being the best, do you feel you get the support you need from Caitlin?
- What do you feel is your biggest accomplishment in the past 12 months?
- Where do you think you have failed or would like to improve?
- What do you think of the targets set for 2012/2013 (this past year)?
- What are areas you feel like you could use more support in?
- What is one thing Caitlin can do for you to support you in your role?
- Do you understand what Caitlin's role is?
- What is one thing you would like to see improve/change/grow for the Client Development team for the New Year?
- How would you rank the general quality of leads you have received in the past 3 months?
My line manager Duncan Morris (Distilled CEO) had used a similar tactic with me in our line manager meetings and I found it was a great way to open up conversations about happiness and personal development. In the past when asking my team, “How are you doing?” I tended to get half thought-out answers. Giving them the space to write at length about it and asking them to assign a number to how they felt about how things were going, meant I got much more critical responses. It also allowed me to ask them what I needed to do as their manager to get them to the next level, which forced them to give me critical feedback. This really opened up conversations and has led to better personal development, increased team happiness, and improvements in openness across the team.
Wrapping up
Every company is going to demand different things from its management team, but I found getting the team management side of things right is one of the most important steps I took. It wasn’t until I got that right that I really started to feel like a manager. There have been a lot of lessons along the way and I could probably write another whole post on the challenges of setting targets, managing difficult consultants and clients, and the importance of communication. However, I felt these three things really sum up the major lessons I learned as a person when moving into a management role and are the most transferable, regardless of the type of manager you are looking to be.
If you would like some more references, I found these resources very helpful:
- Good to Great
- Anything from Dale Carnegie – especially How To Enjoy Your Life and Your Job
- Bob Nelson’s 1001 Ways to Energize and Empower Employees
One of the great things about being a manager is that you are always learning and there is always more to think about when trying to help your team grow. I hope sharing my own learning experinces has helped and I would love to hear from others who have advice on how to manage a team effectively.
I'll leave you with an aswer I had to give recently, when someone I was interviewing asked me what I love about my job: For the past four years, I have found my self doing something brand new and challanging every day. No week is the same. Finally, while a manager may not get a lot of credit for all the behind the scenes work you do supporting the team, seeing your team be successful can be supremely rewarding and fulfilling.
Good luck!
AWESOME post, Caitlin! I love your point of "don't dictate; start a flywheel". The point of leading a team isn't that you have to know or do everything -- it's to enable your team to grow and develop. If they know more than their manager or develop past their management's skill levels, all the better for the organization. :)
I think that creating that type of environment requires transparency and friendly accountability, which you model well in your post. Thanks for sharing this story about your development and leadership!
Thanks Jonathon!
To be a manager is to lead from the front, its necessary to guide/motivate the team at every instant, give them time to learn, make them face challenges, help them break the tough and the unknown. Being a manager its very important to be be a friendly person & a professional on and off the work space to motivate the team and help them get things done. Especially in Digital marketing its very important to guide the team to learn, be updated to the latest in the world of online marketing and to be social.
Personally I see two types of managers yellers & screamers and friendly. I always liked working for the friendly ones so that is the type I try to be. I remember when I was a server (my first job) I had this horrible manager that would yell at me for every little thing. It didn't make me want to work harder...that's for sure. Instead it made me resent the business and do just enough not to get fired. Then at another server job (second job) I had a manager that was basically like one of the team. He wouldn't ask you to do something he wouldn't do himself. He was friendly too. Working for him was so easy and it really motivated me because I did not want to let him down.
That's the way I try to manage because I don't want my employees resenting the company. I liked the part of your article about letting people do it their way. I really agree with that (as long as their way works) and just try to offer my expertise when its asked for (again, unless I see that it's needed).
Thanks for the comment. I think this is great:
"He wouldn't ask you to do something he wouldn't do himself. He was friendly too. Working for him was so easy and it really motivated me because I did not want to let him down. "
I've seen this first hand with my husband's business. He is the owner of a restaurant and Head Chef. In his industry it is really common for people to scream, swear, and practically abuse their teams. He doesn't do any of that and you will find him jumping on the dishes to make sure the team doesn't get behind. As a result, his chefs love him and are loyal to him, even when he asks a lot from them. They are a team.
Sounds like you take the same approach!
This approach gives employs intrinsic benefits, as a result they remain highly motivated.And we can see it many times in organization that when managers or bosses themselves assist the team in some task, it ends up giving good results.
very nice post I agree ambitious first and foremost for the company not themselves,a great managers displays compelling modesty and self effacing and understated, fanatically driven incurable need to produce sustained results,more plow horse than show horse, when things go poorly they look in the mirror and blame themselves taking full responsibility.getting the right people on the bus(and the wrong people off the bus)and then figure out where to drive it.a vision for greatness.....the flywheel concept and hedgehog is worth studying for any serious manager.
Hi Caitlin,
I really love it what you pointed out "Learning to lead: don’t dictate, start a flywheel..."For me leadership is servant-hood. Show how your people should follow you and not by dictatorship. Keep it up!
This also reminds me of sentence taught to us " Every leader can be manager, but every manager cannot be leader"
you're a saint caitlin. management.is.hard!
Really really helpful post!! I'm going into a manager role next week so your tips have really put me at ease! Thank you!
Thanks Raksha, I'm glad it was useful. Good luck in your new role!
Great write-up. I, too had a struggle with this. I know I can do the right thing at the right time and not have any problems, but then I was in a position where I had to TRUST others.
The thing that got me going in the right direction in management was to realize that I was multiplying myself across a team of associates. So really, I was actually magnifying the work I was doing through others for the benefit of them and the company.
Awesome Post caitlin, I have learned many important managing concepts. Some of which I was unsure how to implement them. Your post gave me the answers...
Amazing Caitlin, especially this
"So I took a step back. I stopped telling people how I thought they should approach working with a new client......"
Usually people in managerial positions want people to do things the way they like. Which is a biggest mistake.
i am sure you might be getting better results than before.it takes time to inculcate this habit.
Thank you so much for the insight, Caitlin!
As a management student, I have learned many general managing concepts. Some of which I was unsure how to implement them. Your post gave me the answers.
I especially agree with the “don’t dictate, start a flywheel” part. My supervisors here at Powered by Search often give me sufficient independence to provide solutions, carry the project my way and make mistake. It’s one of the best guidances supervisors can give to their staff. I obviously try not to make any mistakes. However, being only human, I do have mistakes and that’s when I learn much more effectively.
Great post!
Cheers,
Trang Lam
As a good manager we had to leave employ on their own for fostering creativity and at the same time managers should have apatite to bear the mistakes as well.
Hi caitlin,
Thanks for this valuable information. I am working as a business executive in a GIS company ,and my dream is to be a business manager .i'm trying for that post .so your blog is very helpful for me .
Don't ask your team member to do something you wouldn't do. I believe that goes along way in earning respect. Great post.
Thanks for the advice and your experience tips Caitlin, much appreciated.
I heard the pole questionnaire tip being mentioned at search love from Duncan, it's a really great way to get to know what your team thinks and what might be missing to improve results and further grow the company.Congrats to you, and great postCheersDanny
I love your post. I know it has been mentioned at the very top. "Don't dictate" I'd like to add don't micromanage. I had a great manager in the past who lead from the front, encouraged our strengths and helped us grow where we were weakest. While not being an equal in the sense we still were afforded the opportunity to speak our mind, share ideas and grow as a team. I also love the idea of growing without being managers. It isn't for everyone and I believe this could solve a lot of "bad" manager situations.
Great insights!
A really insightful look into management.
Having only just started my career, this article definitely has some great management pointers for future.
Before reading this article I would have always thought that I would have jumped immediately at the chance to be a manager, however you are definitely right about stopping to think whether that is actually what you want to do!
Hello Caitlin! I think management is really not for everyone. I believe that it is a tough job that requires a lot of patience, determination, focus as well as self-motivation.
Even i am a Business Manager but i was losing some thing which i findout only after getting this post.... thanks for helping me to become an effective manager...
@Caitlin: Great post. I totally related to it. Up until April 2013, I was an entrepreneur and as everyone knows entrepreneurs are a crazy breed. I always used to think that my team does not deliver 100% and at times had contempt attitude towards them. In-fact I went on to write a blog post about it. Company of Equals. I always used to think that my way is the right way and the team should follow it to the T. In-fact I also had the habit of poking in each and every operational detail.
It was only after I joined another company as Online Marketing Manager, I realized the true role of a manager/mentor. I specially like the part when you said that your team demands management support from you and it is your duty to provide that. It was this simple yet probably the most important thing which was missing in me which I learnt in due course of time. That's why I totally related to your blog post and loved it.
Looking forward to another one on challenges.
Thanks Caitlin.
Really inspirational stuff. I mean it.
Hello Caitlin,
Great first post, I have been managing for 8 years now and over time it becomes easier. As with any job or trade the more you do it day in and day out, the more insights you learn on what works and what does not. That goes for the whole team down to motivating a individual contributor. Once again, great post keep them coming!
Thanks for the words of encouragement!
Interesting post - well done for your first article here! I enjoyed reading it and all the comments. I have been managed with various approaches and successes/failures... I think while it's true that you don't need to know everything I believe that it does help to have some sympathetic technical understanding. I had a manager once who had no knowledge at all technically and was fair and square in the 'executive' type on the Myers-Briggs scale - didn't work well! On the other hand other managers have been a delight and had enough technical understanding to make informed higher level decisions and get good results.
Nice post.. Really when you will become a manager then you have to handle many responsibility of the company. Its not an easy work to handle all.
For me Stay happy and stay cool in any situation
Nice post Caitlin! I am really glad to read your post. If a product/service is perfect, its knowledge and details are well, then a sales campaign can be 50% successful. Apart, 50% of any sales campaign achieves their targets with great success and customer/client satisfaction only when the co-ordination of Manager and Sales Reps is strong. I really appreciate you that you work hand in hand way with your sales team, this is going be even more successful with great co-ordinations.
Thanks.
I really love this view of management and while I do agree that different companies have their own style and will have different needs from management, it also seems true that across companies and industries the best leaders are the ones that enable their teams to do their best work, to think for themselves (not think for them), and who can provide great support. So, all of the points you bring up in this post are really applicable to a variety of management positions.
I will definitely keep all of this in mind if I ever find myself in a similar role (or if I ever consider one)! Thanks
Thanks Rebecca, I'm glad you found this useful!
Way to go Caitlin. Great post.
First of all congratulate on u r first Post..... Well Said..." It is a somewhat thankless job that requires a lot of patience, focus, determination, and self-motivation. It isn’t just a progression from a consulting role; it’s a complete job change."
Thank you very much!
That line summed up my own personal experience perfectly. Thankless job for sure!
Great post Caitlin, management positions can be challenging and very rewarding as well. The most difficult part I find it to listen to people and let them explain how they will solve problems. Its very easy to always "tell" them what to do.
Welcome to Moz Caitlin, i really liked your post. Management is no doubt a challenging position an organization really depends upon position for the betterment.
Congratz for your first post ! Nice coverage and subject.
Although the coverage is great, my personal opinion is that the manager should / will need to be as far as "style" along side the team. A great manager from one company - even if in the same niche / filed can do a terrible job in another company if the team structure and people are different.
Someone can be a very good persuasive type of manager and have great results and terribile with the same approach with a different team.I don't know about distilled - I've only visited and met the NY office / people but it's not a very common setup (in a good way) and I am sure some types of managerial styles right now in effect within Distilled won't have a very good effect with Iaquaire for example :)
So even if someone wants to be a manager and is packing a good set of skills it won't make it if the setup is not right ...
:P
I think you make a great point. Management and working with in a team successfully is very different from company to company and in some cases from team to team. At its core, management is all about knowing how to inspire and look after a team of very different individuals. Learning how to get the best from your particular team can be the most challenging part!
Agree but still, the management style is based on the person personality and that is hard and in most of the cases impossibile to change and adjust based on the team structure and format.I might be wrong though - is just what I've personally seen over the years.
Management is very hard to circulate but you have share few tips which make comfortable to manager. manager should have good leading capacity, patience. cooperative nature, dedication and hard working.
Caitlin, I think its the work of company leadership to create an environment where people can grow without having to become managers, which is the trap we so often fall into. Any reads / posts on that topic or sample companies would be great for me to read. TY!
Surely you've written on the topic :).
Jokes aside - great question. Let me have a think (Google) and see if I can find some great examples on how other companies have made this work. I'm sure there are examples out there and if not - great suggestion for a follow up post!
Congrats Caitlin! Sounds like you're a great manager. I would just second to never underestimate the role of a great manager and boss. As my mom always says: A managers hire A people. And not only that, they keep those A+ people around. Great teams stay and leave on managers, not benefits. Best of luck with the team!
Thanks Caroline and great advice. Will and Duncan always advised me to try to hire yourself - only better. So far my team are exceeding all expectations!
Very nice post, but what works for one company doesn't work for another.
When you step up to a Management role you also need to consider the knock on affect it has on your personal life, not just whether you can make the transition at work. But whether your personal life can also make a successful transition.
This is a great point Christina. Management requires a lot of flexibility in your schedule to deal with crisis situations and making yourself available to others. I've also found that time management becomes essential, or you can end up working all night!
Great post! Proper Management is key to any company. The resources you mention are great, however i would add any work done by John P Kotter, especially Leading Change, it is really an incredible read. Also i enjoyed reading Henry Mintzberg, a true management genius. They are changing the management paradigm, everybody think the manager as a person who is "managing" people. When, in fact, they are leading people and creating leaders within the organization. Many people see management as an obstacle when it can be the solution, this is possible when proper management is aligned with the company´s strategy. BTW I loved the torn piece of paper, very original!
Glad you liked the post and thanks for letting me know about these other resources. I will be sure to check them out right away!