This question, posed by Alex Moravek in our Q&A section, has a somewhat complicated answer. In today's Whiteboard Friday, Rand discusses how organizations might perform well in search rankings without doing any link building at all, relying instead on the strength of their content to be deemed relevant and important by Google.
For reference, here's a still of this week's whiteboard!
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Howdy Moz fans, and welcome to another edition of Whiteboard Friday. This week we're chatting about is it possible to have good SEO simply by focusing on great content to the exclusion of link building.
This question was posed in the Moz Q&A Forum, which I deeply love, by Alex Moravek -- I might not be saying your name right, Alex, and for that I apologize -- from SEO Agencias in Madrid. My Spanish is poor, but my love for churros is so strong.
Alex, I think this is a great question. In fact, we get asked this all the time by all sorts of folks, particularly people in the blogging world and people with small and medium businesses who hear about SEO and go, "Okay, I think can make my website accessible, and yes, I can produce great content, but I just either don't feel comfortable, don't have time and energy, don't understand, or just don't feel okay with doing link building." Link acquisition through an outreach and a manual process is beyond the scope of what they can fit into their marketing activities.
In fact, it is possible kind of, sort of. It is possible, but what you desperately need in order for this strategy to be possible are really two things. One is content exposure, and two you need time. I'll explain why you need both of these things.
I'm going to dramatically simplify Google's ranking algorithm. In fact, I'm going to simplify it so much that those of you who are SEO professionals are going to be like, "Oh God, Rand, you're killing me." I apologize in advance. Just bear with me a second.
We basically have keywords and on-page stuff, topical relevance, etc. All your topic modeling stuff might go in there. There's content quality, all the factors that Google and Bing might measure around a content's quality. There's domain authority. There's link-based authority based on the links that point to all the pages on a given domain that tell Google or Bing how important pages on this particular domain are.
There are probably some topical relevance elements in there, too. There's page level authority. These could be all the algorithms you've heard of like PageRank and TrustRank, etc., and all the much more modern ones of those.
I'm not specifically talking about Moz scores here, the Moz scores DA and PA. Those are rough interpretations of these much more sophisticated formulas that the engines have.
There's user and usage data, which we know the engines are using. They've talked about using that. There's spam analysis.
Super simplistic. There are these six things, six broad categories of ranking elements. If you have just these four -- keywords, on-page content quality, user and usage data, spam analysis, you're not spammy -- without these, without any domain authority or any page authority, it's next to impossible to rank for competitive terms and very challenging and very unlikely to rank even for stuff in the chunky middle and long tail. Long tail you might rank for a few things if it's very, very long tail. But these things taken together give you a sense of ranking ability.
Here's what some marketers, some bloggers, some folks who invest in content nearly to the exclusion of links have found. They have had success with this strategy. They've basically elected to entirely ignore link building and let links come to them.
Instead of focusing on link building, they're going to focus on product quality, press and public relations, social media, offline marketing, word of mouth, content strategy, email marketing, these other channels that can potentially earn them things. Advertising as well potentially could be in here.
What they rely on is that people find them through these other channels. They find them through social, through ads, through offline, through blogs, through very long tail search, through their content, maybe their email marketing list, word of mouth, press. All of these things are discovery mechanisms that are not search.
Once people get to the site, then these websites rely on the fact that, because of the experience people have, the quality of their products, of their content, because all of that stuff is so good, they're going to earn links naturally.
This is a leap. In fact, for many SEOs, this is kind of a crazy leap to make, because there are so many things that you can do that will nudge people in this link earning direction. We've talked about a number of those at Moz. Of course, if you visit the link building section of our blog, there are hundreds if not thousands of great strategies around this.
These folks have elected to ignore all that link building stuff, let the links come to them, and these signals, these people who visit via other channels eventually lead to links which lead to DA, PA ranking ability. I don't think this strategy is for everyone, but it is possible.
I think in the utopia that Larry Page and Sergey Brin from Google imagined when they were building their first search engine this is, in fact, how they hoped that the web would work. They hoped that people wouldn't be out actively gaming and manipulating the web's link graph, but rather that all the links would be earned naturally and editorially.
I think that's a very, very optimistic and almost naive way of thinking about it. Remember, they were college students at the time. Maybe they were eating their granola, and dancing around, and hoping that everyone on the web would link only for editorial reasons. Not to make fun of granola. I love granola, especially, oh man, with those acai berries. Bowls of those things are great.
This is a potential strategy if you are very uncomfortable with link building and you feel like you can optimize this process. You have all of these channels going on.
For SEOs who are thinking, "Rand, I'm never going to ignore link building," you can still get a tremendous amount out of thinking about how you optimize the return on investment and especially the exposure that you receive from these and how that might translate naturally into links.
I find looking at websites that accomplish SEO without active link building fascinating, because they have editorially earned those links through very little intentional effort on their own. I think there's a tremendous amount that we can take away from that process and optimize around this.
Alex, yes, this is possible. Would I recommend it? Only in a very few instances. I think that there's a ton that SEOs can do to optimize and nudge and create intelligent, non-manipulative ways of earning links that are a little more powerful than just sitting back and waiting, but it is possible.
All right, everyone. Thanks for joining us, and we'll see you again next week for another edition of Whiteboard Friday. Take care.
Not only is it possible, it happens every day... and that scares the crap out of "professional link builders."
Larry Page and Sergey Brin from Google did imagine a world where link building happened organically, because that's what the internet looked like when they started. A world where people found websites via other websites, not social media, and not via an overseas sweatshop that cranks out link requests to any blog that with a published email address.
Most of the really successful sites out there probably don't use anything that the SEO community would call "link building," because they don't need to - they're in the content business or they have one of the original link builders on staff. They're called "public relations professionals" and they've been getting big websites to link to other big websites for years.
It is because of this that the more conspiracy theory based SEOs love to claim that Google gives priority to "big business." Big businesses usually have PR people and PR people have been trained from the start at getting "coverage" and that coverage creates the best links to any given site.
You could have "link builders" work for weeks and weeks getting links from hundreds of blogs, but they're all trumped by a great link from the New York Times and HuffPo that was obtained by a few hours on the phone between the head of PR and a copywriter looking for a good story.
It is because of this that some SEOs, including many at Moz, think that social media directly drives organic search results, when in fact, it's an indirect influencer. Great content gets shared on social and social sharing leads to other websites linking to that content and poof, quality inbound links.
Is link building still needed? Absolutely. I'm a big proponent of claiming links on blogs and articles that speak of a client's brand, product, or service as a way to expand their link numbers, but it's never the first order of business. The first order of business is making sure they have a great PR person who understands the power of a great link from a big publication.
Maybe it's because I'm lucky enough to only work with really big clients who can afford to have a PR staff around, but even those few that don't, I still approach it from the angle that they shouldn't be thinking about "link building" (or "content building" or "on-page optimization"), but instead, on being great site builders and marketers and the SEO will happen naturally.
Of course you'll disagree... your whole industry depends on the fact that you do. ;)
Hey Jeff - almost totally agree with your perspective, with one exception: "Most of the really successful sites out there probably don't use anything that the SEO community would call link building,"
I think that would be inaccurate, and here's my evidence. On Mozcast, we can see the "big 10" domains - those that have the most inclusion in top results across tens of thousands of search results. Those domains are:
With three exceptions - Twitter, YouTube, and Wikipedia - all 7 others have sizable SEO staff, serious SEO efforts, and have engaged in active link equity growth efforts. I know and have talked to SEO folks at every one of those companies except Pinterest (but they do have them). It's certainly not exactly the same kind of link building an SEO might do for a small, local business website, but it is pretty darn similar to the types of link building that Moz does, or the types that I encouraged folks from companies like Yelp, Minted, Etsy, Microsoft, Simplyhired, Zillow, and others to do when I used to consult for them (way back in the day) or how I coach/informally advise other companies (mostly startup and tech folks) to do link building these days.
p.s. I think Twitter did, at one point, have some SEO folks on their team who actively worked on things like getting embedded tweets/profiles/etc. to help their link equity.
Rand... you couldn't offer a better answer :-)
Actually, when I have to think to a site doing state of the art SEO, then I think (and suggest always) to Amazon.
On the other hand, Jeff, you someone wrote a great and correct disclaimer, which some how invalidates the substantially correct vision you have:
Maybe it's because I'm lucky enough to only work with really big clients who can afford to have a PR staff around...
As you know - and I too worked with both big brands and small or even unknown startups - the conditions are hugely different, and the needs and media attention devoted to the brand too.
With three exceptions - Twitter, YouTube, and Wikipedia - all 7 others have sizable SEO staff, serious SEO efforts, and have engaged in active link equity growth efforts.
Rand, without divulging any secrets, can you specify what you mean by "active link-equity growth efforts"? My hunch -- though, of course, I could be wrong -- is that most of those efforts are probably just PR by other names.
While those sites, like everyone else, certainly need technical, on-site SEO, I would guess that 90% of the other "SEO" work has been just good PR and marketing.
I think it's just a semantics game at this point, but yes, these companies are doing (or at least, have in the past, have done) things intentionally and specifically designed to grow link equity, not just public relations to get in the press.
That's just it, isn't it? It is a matter of semantics only because SEOs have created a thing called "link building" that really didn't need to be renamed. PR existed before SEO and the efforts of a PR person created links before we all started running around claiming "link building" was a vital part of SEO. Google and the others created their algos with links in mind because links were already part of the makeup of the way the internet worked from the get go. Google and the others didn't arbitrarily decide, "you know what, links should be important, but let's not tell anybody about that."
For the most part, what is considered SEO are actions that would have been important even if search engines hadn't declared them to be important for great search results. There are of course exceptions, but most of them are fairly recent.
Here's the thing though... look at who these companies are: They are mostly internet companies (with the exception of WalMart, and you could almost declare them an "internet company" because they have made ecommerce a major revenue center for their business).
All of these companies were born during a time where the concept of "SEO" had entered the modern marketing vocabulary, so you have their heads of marketing, etc. running around going, "We need to make sure we do SEO!" I'm sure if you had conversations with them, of course they would say, "Yes, SEO is very important, we have a specialized staff and everything!" However, what they really are doing most of the time is just great marketing and great site design during a time when SEO is still looked at as something separate.
Like so many other things in the digital world, we have "rebranded" existing marketing efforts to make them "new and improved" for the digital era, but in doing so, we're causing people to make certain efforts not because they are the proper thing to do because you're a business owner that runs a website, but because it's "good for search."
"Link building" is really a PR effort, it's just a modern PR effort in a time when getting coverage on websites is just as important as getting coverage on TV, radio, or any other medium.
Like I said, SEOs will disagree because the whole industry is built around the concept that this is something new, unique, and specialized, but like so many other functions in digital marketing, as the industry grows up, it is just becoming part of the standard set of marketing efforts.
Look at how much Moz has evolved over the years, and look at your vision for the future. I see Moz as having a great opportunity as being the central part of the next great evolution of Marketing best practices in the modern era. But to do so, we need to shake the concept that what we're doing here is something new, but instead realize that it's just the newer part of something that's been around for years.
Preach on, brother!
I would just add my common thought on the issue: Digital marketers need to stop thinking about how to get links and instead think about how to get coverage and publicity.
The latter will lead to the best types of the former, and you'll likely never be at risk for a Penguin penalty.
Coverage and publicity often not equals with sales, you still need some metrics in therms of determining which website/page is more popular than the other and in this case the best metric is how many authoritative links are going to your website acting as a vote. Just saying..... :)
Jeff, I really appreciate your information and viewpoints on marketing.
I agree with you that marketing has evolved alongside the explosion of the digital world. I do feel that PR outreach makes up a large part of link building, but not the entire puzzle.
I'm no PR expert, but I feel like content and relationships are two key factors in obtaining the links(whether that's your focus or not). Although there is some overlap in the duties that SEO's and other marketing positions have, I think SEO's contribute heavily through (re)search techniques and ideas along the way. I believe that these are a mix between new and old age techniques. The tools and research SEO's use to semantically determine the content, links, placements opportunities, etc. is essential to good marketing and even PR Outreach processes.
Yes, big businesses need big placements that can deliver the market volume they need, which can lead to a waterfall of links depending on the publication and who follows it. Even though these hold lots of weight, there are a plethora of other online placements well worth the investment that SEO's find through their research.
I understand that marketing techniques have been around for a long, long time. But I think that there's something special about applying these techniques to the digital marketing world we live in, and making note of it. As the internet continues to evolve, so will the marketing techniques, and how we make sense of them.
The biggest thing to me is creating distinctions between the roles that we play in a marketing environment, recognizing that everyone contributes important steps, and learning from each other to make it as cohesive as possible!
A few years ago Twitter were quite obviously trying to build equity, Twitter would include a # in the url of a profile i.e. https://www.twitter.com/#moz this then had a canonical back to their homepage, so any copy and pasting straight from Twitter would result in a link direct to their homepage.
Jeff, I just had to say that is a damn good post.
I completely agree with everything -- great comment, Jeff!
Talk about link worthy material... This post is one serious link magnet.
I agree with you Jeff. In fact with our website, we have never built any links actively - primarily because our previous business went belly up due to Panda/Penguin and we wanted to stay away from any kind of SEO, good or bad. In the past couple of years, we managed to build a great brand and agency and used all the other things Rand was talking about in terms of attracting visitors to our site.
But having said that, I must admit, the progress has been slow and the DA and PA are quite low too. The traffic is fairly decent at around the 25K mark but I think some active link building may help. We are however afraid to even talk about links at our agency!
Hi Rand,
Very interesting your reply. I totally agree with you.
I also agree with Nick Stamoulis .. "the best links are the ones That Occur naturally, the ones you earn from having a great brand and yes, great content. »
"Muchas gracias" Rand :)
Alex Moravek
I have worked with a few bloggers with hugely successful sites, one with around 50,000 visitors a day and a healthy and they would still not understand the concept of link building. Certainly, we have helped to improve other aspects of the site and the natural networking done within the niche that they operate has built exposure and the pure strength and uniqueness of the content has essentially meant that links and traffic have rolled in on their own (or in part due to the other exposure building strategies).
Ultimately, if you are chucking out a few 'me too' news pieces a week and work in a boring industry then this is not going to work but if your primary goal is to create novel or best of class content then this can work really well. Is it better if you add a bit of SEO thinking to the networking - of course, but it can be done without the need to think about link building if and only if the content itself is good enough and the user naturally networks - guest posts, social, forums, blogs, guests on podcasts etc and then the niche starts to take notice of what the user is doing.
This can work but your content has to be amazing and needed. You also have to be patient and play the long game. You also could probably speed things up considerably if you added some SEO smarts to your approach.
Edit - it's of note that this is not an overnight strategy and the blog has been running for around 4 years to get to this point & many of the questions answered are entirely novel and researched to a level unseen before.
Just my thoughts. :)
Marcus
I think in the 'boring industries' this approach is even more essential - establishing a higher share of voice, and thought leadership will demonstrate a quality that competitors don't have.
Obviously, the PR approach could, to an extent, include link building - referral traffic should increase as a result. I'm a big believer in generating the extra traffic to your site through PR - primarily through working with related earned and owned media.
Okay Marcus we can't all be the guru on the mountain top - there's just not room. Great content is a given but if getting found BETTER is the goal it MUST be built around strong SEO (backed by the research of who do I want to find this and what are they searching for)
Speaking of awesome content, Rand, that SHIRT
Thanks! Got it from https://www.jackthreads.com/
Always link building. ;o)
Always ? I think always no. Better use Ying Yang
Good One Rand ! You are a real Marketer !
Good Info Rand, I like you and your shirt too. :-)
This has been my strategy ever since Penguin 2.1 pissed me off. I was rewarded mid 2014 by Google. Got all my traffic/ranking back and some. Great Content + Powerful Broadcasting to Target Audience = Golden Butter
Regarding "Powerful Broadcasting" - Twitter is great for this. If your tweet with your link gets shared a lot, chances are that one of the people it's shared with will reference it in a blog post, and bingo, you have a natural link.
Agree Rose !
Social Media i.e: twitter plays an important role to connect/share your thoughts with a Broad Group/peoples/society. Still a Great source !
The Tweet should be informative/attractive and natural then the people will share a lot definitely.
One (personal) example that comes to mind when watching this is a particular client of mine: they're a large publisher website with more than 100,000 pages. The site has been around for decades and they have an offline publication that people all around the country subscribe to (in the mail).
There are a handful of (long, high-quality, news-driven) articles posted daily and the readership of this site is very large (more than 1,000,000 pageviews per month).
We've never even begun to discuss link building for this client. This is partially because of positive link data we've collected and seen from day one, but it's also just from understanding the client and their strengths/weaknesses. Again, the readership of the client is HUGE.
The number one reason for that? The publication has been in existence since the early 90s! The website - an online publication - attracts links very easily as it evokes strong emotion, niche interests, particular beliefs via reporting on news and giving strong opinions.
The reason why we don't have to build, earn, acquire links has nothing to do with SEO. It has to do with the large following they've built up over time (GREAT point, Rand, highlighting on the whiteboard that one of the biggest things for content exposure is TIME).
For nearly any other client, I'd never ignore or not think about link building.
This client had large Panda-related problems (you can imagine from all that content!) and simply fixing those errors and optimizing on-site aspects has helped the search engines better understand the site, index it more efficiently, and let the powerful external signals (like links!) take the site to the top of SERPs.
Actually, a test of this lies with this post itself... Rand, is there any "link building" being done for this article? I'm not talking about sharing it on social media, but "classic" outreach style link building?
Pretty sure this post will do well without it...
At the company I work for, unique/quality content has always been a huge factor in our battle to dominate rankings. For the longest time, the SEO department was tasked with also writing new content for our sites. While creating very good content, it was always really hard to dedicate the time evenly between writing new blogs, optimizing the sites, and doing link outreach. We then got a dedicated, extremely talented, content writer on staff and the game completely changed. It's been amazing seeing how someone dedicating 100% of their time writing excellent content , while working closely with the SEO department to make sure that content is appropriately optimized, has actually extremely benefited our client's site's organic traffic very quickly within the first month of this new hire. I think it's very important to have a dedicated content writer that is almost considered a member of the SEO team.
In spite of just having good content the little blogs like mine or the blogs of the most of the people will need some SEO work to start to gain followers, visits and conversions.
You could reach the top page of Google without SEO, but it seems impossible to me to do it if the top results have enough or equal quality as your content. And even if we don't want to do SEO, just installing SEO by Yoast in our Wordpress and doing some work with Ubbersuggest, Trends, Keyword Planner and tools like this (basic, basic SEO) will do a great work for our blog. And this is just basic.
SEO is always needed? Maybe not. But...it's always helpful? Yes. So, why not take it for our blog or website?
"Link building" is becoming an outdated term. Sure, there are still some quality links that you can "build" but the best links are the ones that occur naturally, the ones you earn from having a great brand and yes, great content.
yeah, Link Building is so outdated that Google keeps rolling out Penguin updates, really smart Nick.
Have to agree, link building is old school, but then again, you need some links to your website to be able to become popular.
Yup! That's why I did this one: https://moz.com/blog/the-death-of-link-building-an...
Rand,
I watched and listening intently, for I've used this strategy extensively in the past:
What I learned in all three instances validates your assertions: Gaining links "naturally" can be done, and IS being done, but it's not the path most businesses should pursue. My thoughts: While you can be successful with this approach, you could likely be FAR more successful by focusing on content quality first but using some of your time and energy on link building as well.
I came to appreciate link building after reading and following the work of Julie Joyce. Through her, I learned that building links was a natural outgrowth of the overall strategy I developed for clients--creating content that's share-worthy AND link-worthy.
But instead of hoping and wishing for shares and mentions via social, we started devoting resources to outreach. The results were astounding.
The biggest lesson I learned, and one that I will never move away, from is the easiest path to creating quality content is by baking outreach into the effort from inception. When this is done, concerns about quality content fall by the wayside, link building is seen as a natural part of the business, your SEO efforts are validated and clients feel emboldened to trust that you're making content and SEO work the way they'd hoped.
RS
Hi Rand,
First: I won't snap your face about the ranking factors :-D
Second (and doing the evil's advocate): isn't outreach something tipically tied to link building, I mean the best kind of link building? If it is so, then the strategy you are suggesting can be defined as different way of doing link building and not something that goes against it, or - at least - as including link building practices.
Third: I really like and always try to see how much this kind of strategy, which is holistic and closer to my own nature, can be implemented in my clients' marketing.
On the other hand, though, there is also the client counterpart, who not always want to hear that he has to wait maybe even many months in order to start seeing the organic search effect of the "content" way to link earning.
To not tell when clients - and I am talking about those in the niches that could implement this strategy - simply don't have the budget for creating that kind of outstandingly useful content that can earn also links (and you too repeated so many times that "good content" is not enough anymore, it must be "more than good"). I know, this is a topic we can discuss for hours :D.
Sure, this is more a question of educating the clients, establishing a trust relation with them and being able to amplify the effects (traffics, branding and conversions) of all those channels that can bring visibility to the content we are creating.
So, being realistic, I think that even if the strategy you propose is the one we all will like to do (at least me), the best solution usually is in the middle: creating a base of backlinks so to start increasing the DA and PA, while implementing the link earning strategy.
For instance, what stuns me every time is seeing how companies forget that online and offline are not two different things, and that ignoring the benefits of a good On-Off strategy is simply schizophrenic. Moreover, earning links from all the Offline marketing (or simply "work") activity is relatively easy and usually those are the links clients easily understand the nature of.
If you develop or have linkworthy content, outreach can be as simple as letting people know about the content, but not specifically asking for links. I have a piece of content that has thousands of links, and while I never specifically built links to it, I did email people mentioned within it to let them know about it. Most linked to it on their own, without any prompting or specific requests for links.
The key for content driven SEO is to make the content something that people are compelled to link to without prompting. Flattery generally works best, but a look at the things that do well on social media are also generally good indicators of content that will compel links.
It's also something that usually works across industries, though the number of links you get are relative. Look at TripAdvisor's best lists - if a hotel found out that they were on the 50 best beach properties list, or something similar, an email to their PR and digital team probably wouldn't require a specific request.
True, this approach takes more time, but it also survives updates much better. It took 2 years before I started ranking in the highest positions for my most competitive terms, but in the 3 years since, I haven't had to worry about updates or removal requests, or anything else. For clients I definitely do say there are quicker ways, but ask them if they want to trade speed for stability. Sometimes you have to go the speed route, but I've been lucky to find a lot of people who prefer stable rankings that grow over time to faster methods that work for a year and then lead to more work in the long run.
I think I was not able to explain me well, but when I say outreach I don't mean begging for a link, but targeting the sites our audience is in and those influencers our audience pay attention too. And that always was the correct lolink building outreach.
I don't think that if we call it Digital PR its nature change :-)
Oh... and I was writing: "doing the devil's advocate"... that does not mean that I am talking as if I was an old school link buider. I'm a strategist :-)
Yup - I think we're aligned. Any methodology that introduces folks who might link to you or might help your content reach people who might link to you would fall into that "exposure" bucket, and that's really what you're seeking. I agree that it's a form of indirect link building, and actually can be all that you need if your content and networking can do the rest of the work.
I have thought about this too... lots. The more we move towards a Semantic web, the more the onus is being put on awesome, original authoritative content.
Mike... I think I know few things about Semantic Web, but mixing semantic search with "great content" is like mixing apples with oranges.
Even if it's true that great content usually means a better semantic consistency of the content itself, creating a causation, or even just a correlation between Great Content and Semantics is like trying to find a correlation between the geometrical metrics of something and the existence of an alien species teaching civilization to humans.... Not so realistic.
Great Content is needed for serving the audience we target, and the more it fulfills its purpose the more it will be welcomed (natural links, mentions et al). The impact on Semantics Optimization is indirect.
And ultimately, if it present, it simply confirms the importance of SEO still in this world that wants to get rid of SEO.
Great video! I think solid SEO isn't just based on external linking . Whether your site is aged or brand new, creating a solid content strategy using either silo'd content or thematically-relevant (or both)...strategically interlinked...can deliver great results. It may take time (or not depending on how long-tail you target), but this still works like a boss.
Thanks so much for this WBF! I've been talking a lot about this with my boyfriend lately. I'm a content marketing consultant and have been helping him when I can with his law firm website. He's just started his own law firm and while it's a long story, what's important to know is:
The only things we can think of to do at this point to bring him clients, other than networking and word of mouth marketing, is using social media and content. He's interested in writing articles to help increase rankings for his website but obviously, I'm really worried this won't work because he has a tiny, itty bitty link profile. While this WBF was informative, I'm still at a huge loss what to do to help him bring in clients through search. On top of that, writing the posts is going to be particularly challenging because of professional conduct rules. (i.e.—if he gets caught doing stuff he shouldn't, he could be disbarred. And there's no way to ask what's okay and what's not. It's a gamble.)
At the same time, his competitors have almost no links. What they have going for them is only they've been around longer. We've targeted almost all of the same links they have plus more directories. He also has links from my websites that focus on things locally. He's not too far behind his biggest competitors for keywords he wants to rank for in Open Site Explorer really.
Any advice out there?
I'm totally in the same boat for a side project I'm doing. I'm personally stumped because he's in finance and their regulations are ridiculous. Over 70% of his site is no-index and he tries his best in terms of "link-building". He can't advertise his site, so it's really difficult for him to compete.
All I can think about is beefing up the stuff that isn't no-index and reformatting some things. I guess in this situation, it's winning as many battles you can fight.
Thanks for the comment, hopefully someone has some insight on this.
Good and interesting question Alex.
Since SEOMoz was originally founded, was link building ever performed by the company or a third party on behalf of the company? I rest my case.
Great Article. :)
You are more likely to have your content rank higher for keywords that you are targeting, if you can get external websites to link to you. Do the SEO and link building in right way is always generates good results and tends to make search engine happy.
Content-based techniques is the safest, if done correctly, hold no risk for penalty.
Great WBF. The Link building part of SEO is for me always the part that feels like manipulating the system, even when it’s done in purely innocent ways. I’m a firm believer in this idealistic and no doubt future-proof way of ‘earning’ links. Until links as a ranking factor are demoted (not likely!), then of course SEOs will continue to ‘build’ links, yet the more diverse and natural the link profile the better.
By the way, it’s Açaí pronounced 'Ah-sah-eee' (the ç has an accent, so pronounced as ’s’) - I only know this because of time spent in Brazil, where you can get Açaí berries, pulp, smoothies, ice cream, everything! Recommended ;-)
100% agree with you Greg. The entire concept of link building just seems to be a way of trying to manipulate the system and Rand's brilliant Link Earning video definitely reinforces that point. All of the early tactics used by many for link building are now either ineffective or even incur penalties. While it might be a naive notion to look towards a link earning strategy by simply creating really good content, ultimately for me, it is the most proactive and long term strategy to adopt as Google will eventually shut down any system that appears to be trying to manipulate results.
While I know there can be some non-spammy ways of approaching link building strategies, the problem is that I've seen so many bad examples of outreach emails being sent to me that it has swayed my view on this. Sites looking for backlinks following pretty much the same standard template that they copied and pasted off an blog article of how to create back links. For me, it really does feel like spam and also doesn't look very professional (in my opinion)
Quick comment based on my experience;
We've done zero link-building for SuperOffice and in two years', we've grown from 30,000 organic visits to 120,000+ organic visits per year.
And through content marketing, we've increased inbound links by more than 80% (no outreach).
Industry is CRM software. We focus mainly on content strategy, social media and email marketing.
(I'm working on a case study about it)
PS! We don't have thousands of social connections. We're probably just over the thousand fans/ follower mark across several accounts.
Very interesting topic, having recently started looking at a competitors backlinks I can see that they have followed this approach. They built a fairly useful resources page which earnt some good backlinks from some authority sites. It's not going to be beyond the wit of mankind to build a much better resource than that!
Rand, great post as always.
I know that I don't do any link building campaigns, I haven't had the time. Like in your example, I focus on the content and trying to figure out what it is our customers want with the landing pages I create/optimize. While we don't get a ton of new links on a daily basis, I know that we still get them in the way that Larry Page envisioned.
However, when we first launched our blog I strongly encouraged that team to actively seek out links when they did their PR stuff with the news agencies and that has helped increase the DA very quickly.
Pretty much I am saying what Rand has stated, link building isn't for everyone, and yes your site can still get great ranking without it, but it could with it.
I have worked with clients where we have achieved this, but as Rand says it is not for everybody. It depends on the industry. The company I was working with work in software development. The dev community are generally power users on forums and link often. Other more "boring" clients would defiantly need to rely more on non search channels like trade publications etc.
So awesomely timely Rand. The complexity & strategy of SEO is critical to business growing. I think we all hear how "if you build great content SEO doesn't matter" but LOL those that think that works might be "eating their granola, and dancing around" like those who say the secret to business success is "sell more of what you have for a higher price"... oh wait. No one says that.
Yes, in some instances promoting your content through PR, social media, etc... will get you some links. This is all based on the industry that you're in. Some audiences just aren't that chatty about things then there's the opposite of that. So I guess what I'm getting at is that it goes back to your budget and resources and tying it into your objective with the client understanding of its process and outcome. (more links or more traffic or brand building, etc...)
As Rand, mentions, this will only work where you have excellent authorship and a very patient website owner who can afford to invest now for the long term payback. This ain't for impatient clients.
Additional tips: evergreen content with long-lasting value, reference-type content that will bring people back when they need info, industry news that is updated daily, market your new stuff and best stuff heavily to people who are already on your site, offer easy subscriptions to new content announcements that bring people back
Warning: this will not work in a niche where there are aggressive imitators who are good at off-page SEO
Biggest Risk: you are not honest with yourself and you think that your content is great when it ain't
Haven't seen you around the web since I was heavily into SEOCHAT! Hope you're well, and thanks for all your great advice. You're an SEO legend, for sure.
Great write up Rand, thanks.
From my experiences, great content only works up to a point, and from that point forward, links still matter.
By the way, I see a strange drop in Moz metrics on my sites recently. What is the reason for that? Did Moz make an algo update?
I think great content is still a big part of good SEO and maybe in the long run this strategy will pay off. It all depends on what you are trying to achieve with your website.
Good to have this question answered by a pro! Thanks Rand!
Way back in my higher ed textbook days, the best-selling principles of marketing textbook author and editorial team were trying to figure out if internet marketing should be a separate chapter or an integrated pedagogical feature or a separate textbook.
Today's intelligently executed SEO is intertwined with marketing.
Definitions may change, words may change...principles stay the same.
Fascinating - I often wonder if I'm doing it right because I don't go after links but have no problem being given them.
But I do use both techniques you describe minus the active link chasing.
Every time I think I'm going to have to crack and start going after links you come up with an interesting article like this.
I've always stayed away from links because I felt it was an easy way to game the system, and if I was thinking that then so was Google, and it wouldn't take long for them to start getting picky about it.
Cheers Rand
Great thoughts article. I defiantly agree great content helps with everything SEO related. Good points on where to put things in the breakdown. Thanks!
I think that it is possible if you make one web page with a quality content different to other ones... With effort and imagination is possible to be up.
So Nice!!
Before I started doing basic link building strategies for my company, they were very much like this. On average, 50-60% of their traffic was coming from search. Some sites were pulling in over 200,000 pvs a month. The key: For the longest time they were the most reputable magazine publication within their given industries (which are very niche). Some of the editors are world-renown, so reputation and quality was never an issue. However, I found that the links that were pointing back to us were all over the place. One site in particular gets 1M pvs a month, 4% of them were from a foreign spam site that specialized in link gen.
Now for the surprise: After cleaning up some of these links, search referrals are still the same. Where we lost ground the first few months, we rebuilt with very basic link building strategies (stronger social, emailing content managers, having credible expert blogs). Where I wish I could dive into the advanced SEO tactics, I don't have the time because I manage both SEO and social efforts.
My goal is to have all my editors continue to write amazing content, but consider the 7 points that Cyrus mentioned in his post earlier last week. It's amazing how well they picked up on his advice.
The big question that always rests on my mind: "What happens when new demographics emerge and reputation is no longer the leading driver of traffic?" I try to adjust as much as I can.
Great WBF Rand! I do have one question for you, is there are website that you can highlight who focuses on content and not link building and the strategy has shown some success for them?
I have different sites and different clients with different needs. Some niches - just wont generate natural backlinks. Just wont. And some others do.. Stuff with ZERO commercial intent. So in a ideal world yes you build awesome content and people will naturally link to you. And they do (college students or not) I run a news site and have NEVER built a single back-link to th site and it has OVER a million links pointing to it.
So links - yes. Need them and build them if you have to. And if your content is that good and you truly earn them then you really do need to just share away and engage on social sites, just enough for a few people to see your content and say.. hey I'm going to link to that on my blog for my followers.
Thanks for the article Rand.
From my experiences, great content only works up to a point, and from that point forward, links still matter.
By the way, I see a strange drop in Moz metrics on my sites for a few days. Did Moz made an update with a new algo and what has changed in the it? I really wonder.
I belong to this group of people that just rely on great content without any link building, and it workd for me. I have more than four thousand natural links without asking for any, without promoting website in the events, without any promotional emails (having big customer database), etc. 50% of the individual pages are number 1 in Google for competitive local terms. But it took me couple years to reach this level.
great content is where it all starts. You can have all the keywords in the world, but if your content is no good, people won't stick around on your site and search engines won't find your site valuable
I think a good content is not enough to make themselves known and have a good PR. A minimum of popularity. A man shot is never too much, especially if we want results on the short term.
This describes the Gardener's Supply (https://gardeners.com) experience beautifully. Thanks for making my job explaining this to internal stakeholders so much easier!
Great post !
i want to know why my website is in sandbox !
can you help me please ?
this is my website :
https://bestnewcoupons.com
Rand..
I have been working on building natural links with nothing but content for several products related to difference niche or industries. But mostly I have to do it manually, I have to stage the links to appear natural because in some cases where businesses are related "Cloud Desktop Backups" & "Business budgeting Software" & other such categories where target audience is limited.
I have found it easy to get the content re-shared when I am working on businesses related Eye Care & Health Care. & these 2 projects where I am getting the content to get viral & re-shared are performing way better than the other 2 I mentioned above.
Hi Rand, I know I'm super late to the party here but I was wondering if you could talk about the time factor? At the start, you say you'll talk about both content exposure and time, but you only really focus on the content exposure factor. I'm assuming that by time you mean that with this no-link-building strategy you need to be patient, but perhaps you could elaborate more? Is this something that is going to take significantly longer than if you do invest time in link building or just a bit longer? Thanks! Great WBF as always =)
Excellent article, and it touches on the future of search. It might be 5 years, maybe 10, but that granola inspired dream you mentioned will indeed be a reality. As search engines mature and evolve, especially in the area of AI, (key)word based indexing will go by the wayside, replaced by inference engines that rank not on the words themselves, but on the contextual meaning of those words.
Search in the future will not care what you said, or the question you ask, but rather on "what do you mean when you say/ask that".
Search will then not need, or want, any help in making the decisions it makes. In fact anything that looks like traditional SEO will be seen as "not authentic". Anything that looks like what you said, or how you laid out a site, was done for the purpose of pleasing search engines, rather than pleasing viewers, will be effectively penalized.
That will be a brave new world for SEO. The transformation has already begun.
Gary
I think that if you make only great content, could be......but, probably no.
I think that you have to make more things, marketing, blogs, forum, etc....
if the people don't know nothing about you.....
If you have the best shop in the mountain, could be that the people go to your shop, but if the people don't know where is the shop, the will go to the city shop!!
Panda - Feb 2011
Penguin - April 2012
Hummingbird - September 2013
Pigeon - July 2014
?........- 2015.
The problem with linkbuilding is you never know which linkbuilding strategies will be banned after next google update. Google is looking for natural linkbuilding done by readers who like your blog/website ,blogpost or product/service. You can see this with big brands and authority sites in different niches for example Webmd for health niche. They rank easily without even doing any linkbuilding. The problem is when you have a new website and you are creating links. I think what rand explained in his post is a great way to start creating a brand around your blog/product/service. Sometimes you need to pay for exposure. There is nothing wrong with that. After all you are a business right and you want to earn a living by doing so.
Thanks for the post.
Hi Rand
Great post as usual, I can relate to this post as we approach things in that manor at our agency Photolink here in Manchester. We produce lots of different types of content for clients like photographic, video, creative, digital, catalogues, in store, etc but we need to be very careful with link building as we don't want to harm relationships with clients.
We have found historically that we have focused on the other channels and grown things as organically as possible, in particular with the 2 clients (Regis Salons and Supercuts) but we built 2 Magento stores this year so sales targets are causing more pressure.
We will need to move more into the active link building practices but we need to be careful due to link building rules and Penguin.
Maybe it's an idea for you to do a post about starting link building for the first time for companies out there that are "1 man bands link building" or "businesses new to online without agencies to help"? (poor titles but you get my sentiment)
Thanks
Paul
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I would like to take the time to give a shoutout to Rand's mustache and now Fohawk, thank you for finally adding SEO to a woman's list of standards.
Secondly- I would just like to point out that PR and the outreach on link building tactics are starting to morph. At this point in the game I am not sure if there is a massive differentiation between the two.
Best Regard,
Also bearded and Fohawked SEO guy
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Very good question and article thanks Rand
If you do both it will be more fantastic for your website.
Well, I have to say that I got one of my clients to get the latest Penguin refresh on their side and rank pretty well with important keywords with just good blog posts and social media work that involves conversations. More conversation points came from blog comments, one of the most ancient forms of social interaction, after all. There was no link building whatsoever, but it works (even with Bing). :)
I love link building, it's fun! But it's not always necessary.
Its really nice, i saw the video its very useful for all SEO Beginners.Thanks for sharing it.
Google's ranking factors are many. One of them is information hierarchy which calls for categories. E.g. if you are looking to write all about content management on your site called allboutcms.com.From a best practice SEO practice perspective - it requires to create a menu item called cms i.e. allabout.com/cms. Now if you start writing posts with a title like - Top best architecture practices for CMS. From a hierarchical angle, this would look like allbout.com/cms/top-best-architecture-practices-for-CMS. Will the repetition of the keyword 'CMS' present in the menu and title affect the ranking factor for the post mentioned? Thanks!
It's not really possible. In my case, when I have good quality content in my new site. High authority site scraped my content and of course it's got better rank in google serp -_-
Something I haven't heard mentioned much is pride. People that make their own traffic through content alone have a lot of pride in their work.
We know it's better than what you're doing, because we don't need 'tricks' or 'gimmicks' to get people to our site, just our words. That's power...or more precisely, the lost art of rhetoric, of which most marketing is based.
We pride ourselves in not using SEO services and doing link-building or using advertising, and probably never will use those things.
This could work depending on the competitive landscape and where the client sits. Not everyone is suited to be the low price leader. But those who make that promise can focus on great content and KW analysis and get the links from those who expose the message of "These lords and ladies have the lowest price."
I believe, from experiance, company's that earn link will have a longer lasting results. As a consultant, I spend a good amount of my time cleaning up back links of new clients because another SEO consultant or agency engaged in all these link building efforts and that short term results them client was hit by a google penalty.
Rand,
Thank you for doing this topic!
One of the SEO Companies I work uses this as its primary model for achieving organic rank. It seems to work very well for most local service orientated businesses. My company believes that this is a vastly underrated method for achieving quality listings in the SERPs. We have are pretty successful with this model. Of course, that doesn't mean we have ruled out doing linking building but haven't found a case where it has been necessary.
Cheers!!
Thanks for bringing this topic up!
We run a tiny travel blog called travelmemo.com and due to lack of time (and will) we never did any link building campaigns (there's just the two of us working on it nightly besides 100% day jobs). We exclusively focus on unique content and add a little bit of social media marketing to the mix.
Amazingly we get requests from destinations and hotels on a daily basis asking to check out their properties on-site and write about them. They never ask about our visitor stats, which are shameful for that matter... Nevertheless we publish them at themidgame.
Hence I guess the answer is yes Alex, it's possible. But as Rand says it takes great content and TIME! We've been producing content for the last 4 years and only this year did the requests pick up, really.
Hey Rand,
I think that part of every planned strategy in digital marketing should be email outreach. Just put together list of interesting influencers and let them know everytime you produce some content.
While some of those people will always ignore you, with some you can estabilished relationships (that doesn't necessarily need to end with links of course) that can help you grow your website business etc.
BTW: what you eat with granola is called açaí (pronounce assai) and the best way of preparation is put them frozen to the blender...
Cheers,
Ondrej
Wouldn't it be considered spam if you repeatedly send unsolicited email to these people?
Agree with recommendations at the end if you don't have something completely unique, found no place else online. If you are entering a competitive keyword marketplace very few people have the ability to wait for great content to naturally move their site into a traffic position.
No churros in Madrid!
Not true! I've been to Madrid twice and they have amazing churros (with that dark, thick chocolate sauce to dip into - oh man is it good). Oh yeah: https://www.yelp.com/biz/san-gin%C3%A9s-madrid-4
Josh... do you know Google? Use it well :-)
I'm from Spain, and yes!, you can find the best churros here!!
Very interesting post Rand!
Hahaha, I'm agree with Jordi because I'm from Spain too :-).The best churros in Madrid!!
Great post Rand, but the lucky is important too.
Thanks!
I can confirm that this is so true :-)
Great video Rand! I am a big believer in developing the highest-quality content, but I agree that oftentimes the road to success is long and difficult without proper promotion. What I have found is that the intersection of PR and off-site SEO is rapidly occurring and I believe the two separate job titles will likely describe the same role in the near future.
I have been on some teams that have built incredible pieces of content that fell flat due to no promotion. I have been on some teams that built crappy content that did OK due to connections and promotion. However, the best combination is always exceptional content mixed with great promotion. This allows the initial link traction and social actions to propel the piece to the first-level and then natural linking can occur moving forward.
Really enjoyed the video.
Hi Rand
We have not really done any link building (we have a couple yes) but are starting to rank ok for our business and brand, the secret to our success is that we have worked hard for over a year on SEO and structured markup and social media trying to get our brand noticed moreover anything else, going into great depths to make sure we research what our pages are exactly about to assist the user and also making sure the content is written well and double checked with copyscape.
We have also ensured that all our images are compressed for page speed and are moving towards https. yes there is still a long way to go for us but this is an ongoing process and we are not seeing a need to do link building, part of the reason is because of all the scare stories we here lately, we are too worried in-case we hire the wrong SEO company so we prefer to invest internally and take the time now on research.
Would you say this is a feasible thing for us to do or would you say Hey No try some link building
thanks
Alan
Hey Rand,
Once again a very nice topic. I support your point that in "some cases" it is possible but if your chosen topic is very much in and all the big publications already covered it, it's really very difficult to rank on the keywords.
But yes, if the topic is fresh, content quality is superb, DESIGN is interesting and there is a GAP that you can fill out, it's possible but required lot of efforts.
Thanks Rand for this approach to SEO with no link building.
I think as you said the key to this is how much available time do you have for this. If you are unemployed and you have nothing else better to invest your time on than content creation this would be a great strategy. I think this is not the case most of the time so links are a no-brainer to speed things up and create noise around those articles.
Ps. Great to see how this idea came from a fellow Spaniard from my city. Saludos desde Londres!
A great man once said - the best link built is the one you didn't.
I used to build links in my black hat days but over the last 4 years - I do not build links and through all of the updates etc my sites and clients sites perform above expected.
I'm living in the SEO Eutopia ;o)
TGIF folks!
I think I have an issue understanding the premise. Are the content pages SEO'd? Is the website structure SEO friendly? What is the Intent of the content? Link bait? or completely organic? How competitive is the vertical?
Is It Possible to Have Good SEO Simply by Having Great Content?
SEO is a Process based on SE manipulation. If you are not manipulating anything how can it be good seo? I guess it would depend on the term "Good SEO" So I would have to go with "no"
If your website has a lot of great content over time it could go viral be an "organic" contender.
This could take a very long time but yes it could work.
What if you do a paid search or display campaign to all that great content and give that content a nudge?
Money solves a lot of issues, just sayin.
Have a wonderful weekend I will be at the AZ State Fair eating churro and Indian Fry Bread
Great post with great content!
I've asked myself this question many times.
I supose linkbuilding should be used for rapid and short term results.
But if you want solid links to a website, the only way is doing it legally through the content, and natural linking.
Thanks for sharing the content!
great post thanks, i found also that great content can make you rank high
This was a really interesting WBF and raised some good points. Because of time and budget constraints, we've been primarily doing the second option you mentioned--content through PR, social media, email, etc. We've seen some growth through this strategy, but the domain authority and page authority remain pretty low (although again, we've seen some grown here too). Furthermore, we've had some sites scrape content and it's been a pain to get rid of it.
We've only been focusing on the content for about 6 months, though, so there is still time to grow. We are looking into new site designs and better blog layouts (right now we are aware it's not the best), and honestly, that seems just about as important as good quality. Your content can be great, but who will link to it if it's on a crappy site? Probably not many people.
Anyway, before this turns into a rambling comment, thank you for this video and for the helpful answers you've posted in the comment section. This was a great question for you to tackle.
You are spot on with everything you said, Rand. It is possible but it will take a bit of time to rank if you're not proactively trying to acquire links. I have worked for a few sites that are great examples. OOne was a gaming site that pulled in 60,000+ organic search visits per day during the PlayStation Portable (PSP) era. We had a batallion of writers but no link building investments whatsoever. Every link we had was editorially earned. We reached PageRank 5 even before we started doing SEO.
Other sites were from Fortune 500 enterprises. We also did zero link building. All our SEO was done with technical optimization, content development and content promotion using traditional means sucj as press release distribution, interviews, industry analyst reports, etc. These sites ranked for very competitive keyword groups. Some keywwords were acronyms and we'd still be in the top five.
Of course, you can make the case that wih some ethical link building, we could be doing even better. That's beside the point. The fact of the matter is that our rankings ar stable, our organic traffic gradually grows and everything is looking sustainable.
Having great content ist very important, but simply by having it doesn't guarante a good SEO. You have to have a few of both.
Great read. Appreciate the insight. I guess everyone wishes their content was so good people just appeared. Field of Dreams type stuff.
Hi Rand, Really Good whiteboard,
I Also think thats possible to have a really good rankings whith out links and the thing is move content, and have a different, unique and really good product/service.
One folk and i worked on a project where we just placed 4 links, not much more, in two months we obteined 50k (organic) visits a day (porn industry). We obtained top 10 keywords, really competitive keywords such as videos porno, videos travestis, porno gratis... (just moving content and having more content than the competitors).
Speaking with other folks we seen that sometimes when you grow fast (in organic traffic) and you don't have enought linkbuilding you fall in a kind of sandbox (with out doing any spammy tecnic everything was done manual...)
Really good job with MOZ :-)
And sorry for my english...
I would say there is nothing impossible. Quality is always more important than quantity.
Great concept. I agree its possible but should not exist in any situation where someone claims to know what they are doing. Although using these sites as baseline metrics for future growth is very intriguing as obviously they are doing something extremely right.
Great content can't help but be linked to which does garner the links. Great content and information doesn't stay dormant for long.
I am sorry to tell all of you that Los Angeles has the best churros, chew on that! ha ha
Hi Rand
I have seen your video am i am focusing mostly on on page optimization for good ranking.
I have one question?
Most of website are on the first page without having keyword on their meta tags.
What is the reason behind this and why is it so?
Thanks & Regards
Danish Shaikh
Great Post!
Rand,
Great video! However, as some one already pointed out. Churros are from Mexico - not from Spain.
https://www.yelp.com/biz/san-gin%C3%A9s-madrid-4 Amazing churros in Madrid! I've been twice; still crave them fortnightly.
Upvoted for casually dropping the word "fortnightly" XD
Churros >> The churro was made by Spanish shepherds, to substitute for fresh bakery goods. Churro paste was easy to make and fry in an open fire in the mountains, where shepherds spend most of their time.
Sources:
Churros are a Spanish invention, not Mexican, sorry.
Nice post. Its so interesting and much impressive.
Dat shirt tho!!!
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Thanks!
Great article