SEO is one of the industries that has been misunderstood and underestimated by lot of people and businesses in the past. Many people have considered SEO as the alternate name to SPAM, but by the time businesses when see the great potential and greater ROI more and more people and businesses are now getting involved with this new model of advertizing and marketing.
Big brands like Coca-Cola and Pepsi also understand the importance of Search and Social channels, example of Coke’s “Future Flames” and Pepsi’s selection of social media campaign over Super Bowl Ads are the prime examples.
Search and Social Industry is expanding all around the world like anything and, ethical companies with proven records are getting more and more business every day and they are looking for exponential professionals to get the job done in the possible best way.
There are lots and lots of great SEOs out there but out of them, I have selected one of the most honorable, prominent and tech savvy person and requested him to take some time out of his busy schedule, so that I can interview him!
Fellows! We have with us Gianluca Fiorelli and I’ll be asking few questions strictly related to search and social industry. Obviously, I cannot cover all the questions so you fellows can join me in the comment section. ;)
“Gianluca Fiorelli” is one of the amazing and helpful celebrities in the list of Search Experts and an active Mozzer with the Rank ‘#3’ which trust me is hard to get and maintain!
Let’s not get more in to introduction and get directly to the list of questions! ;)
Hello sir! How are you?
I am fine, Moosa. But, please, don’t call me a celebrity, as I am not. I am just an Inbound Marketer who is very active in the Community. But a celebrity, surely I am not.
Question 1: My question starts from the latest, we have recently seen Google eating its own eco system by including its own website in the organic listings! What is your take on this? And don’t you think this will hurt the user experience as well as fewer opportunities for businesses?
Answer: If we look this issue from the Google point of view, Google is feeding and not eating its SERPs with its properties. We must never forget that Google is a business company and not a charity organization; therefore it has to have a profit from its own products. On the other hand, Google, most of the time has the ability to create products that can be useful both for the final users and the websites. Let’s take Google Places: it can be the only opportunity for small local business to be visible in the first page for very competitive keywords.
Therefore, even if it undoubtedly a problem if we think just to organic search, on the other hand the fragmentation of the SERPs because of Universal Search is a great incentive and a real opportunity to diversify the organic traffic sources of a site.
Question 2: What is Schema.org and rel=Author and do you think this is one of the important ranking factors for 2012?
Answer: Both can be considered a way Search Engines can better understand what a page is about (Schema) and how authoritative is the source of that content (Rel=”author” and the soon to be Rel=”publisher”).
Then, both are showing the next future of the Web, hence of Search, which is clearly Semantic. What before was a “movement”, and a mostly a theory, is now promoted directly by the Search Engines. That’s why, especially Schema, will be a ranking factor. My suggestion: the sooner you apply Schema the better, even though it can be a real pain, especially for enormous sites.
Question 3: As you live and work outside US, so probably you have a better idea about International SEO as you might have dealt with the similar kind of clients in your day to day life, my question here is what the best practice is, in your opinion for International SEO, Local TLD, Sub-domain or Subfolder? And why?
Answer: Personally, I would suggest to before understanding what is goal your site has to achieve. Is the business locally present with offices, plants, shops, etc. or not? Are you focusing a specific market, or are you focusing a language-based market? What is the nature of the site? Is it an eCommerce or not?
Just when everything is very clear, then you can decide what to use, if a ccTLD or a Subfolder or, if for some reason you have no other choice, a sub-domain.
Hannah Smith of Distilled wrote a great post about this topic, so I invite you to go read it.
Question 4: Most people in the industry think that Google is one of the most important search engine and they should be ranking well for targeted keywords in Google. Do you think this is a right approach? And Bing and other search engine are ignorable?
Answer: In theory, that is not the right choice. When you optimize a site, you should optimize it so to make it rank perfectly in every search engine. But to concentrate just in Google sometimes it is a quite obvious obligation. For instance, in Italy and Spain Google represent almost the 98% of the search volume, so it is quite natural the SEO and Optimization for Google is practically a synonym.
Question 5: You recently took the interview to Avinash Kaushik, one of the amazing people in the search industry. So, my question is what do you think; is Data important for business? If yes, how important it is to have an eye on data?
Answer: Data is essential for SEO and for any business. Without a perfect analysis of the data, we would be like blind people walking in a dark room. We could guess how successful or how much a failure has been a choice we took, but that would be just that: a guessing.
Thanks to web analytics, we can know for sure what is going wrong and what is going well, but also why; therefore correct our strategy on the go and/or reinforce those tactics we are using and that are giving us conversions.
Personally, I believe that every SEO should learn to know Analytics as much as he knows coding.
Question 6: Let me quickly jump over to the Social side for a while and here is a question for you; Google+ have an impact on rankings and while Google+ was new, I saw people talking about link building is dead; social is the new link building. What’s you take on this?
Answer: I think that to declare that links are dead is incorrect. Surely, social signals are having an increasing importance as ranking factor, as simple citations. But the link related metrics are still important and, even if decreasing in percentage, it still represents the biggest ranking factor.
So, to think your site can rank without link building is a supreme stupidity.
Question 7: You are in the industry from quite a long time now, and this is obvious that you might have done some mistakes a various times, would you like to share the top three mistakes that you committed in the past related to search and social and advice people to avoid them?
Answer: I did and do still a lot of mistakes. In the beginning of my career as an SEO they were due to my inexperience and because I used tricks that caused me penalizations. But, apart those kind of mistake, the ones I learned the most are not technical, but organizational ones. To not be able to manage a project because of a bad organization and so not to be able to get things done, that was my biggest error in the past.
That is why, as a freelance consultant, right now I accept just those jobs that I can successfully manage, and I have learnt to be able to say no if I know I cannot assure the quality the Client deserves.
Question 8: Relatively an easy question, but I don’t see many people asking about this, so in your opinion what are the top 3 on-page factors that least affects the rankings? Like, they have an impact but no big impact?
Answer: Nice question, because us SEOs tend to magnify every little detail transforming it in the new holy grail of search engine optimization.
Personally I consider the Headings over valuated, as the use of bold/italic or the same repetition of that targeted keywords. Not that they are not important, but to get fixated over those kinds of factors is what makes content a bad one, the classic craft-for-bots content. Instead of stressing you about how to use them for SEO, stress yourself about writing a relevant content, a rich one, and an interesting one. Write for your readers, clients and prospects. Doing so you will naturally use those elements that can also add an SEO plus, but you will have done it in a natural way.
Question 9: This time I am coming straight! What is the number one technique you used to acquire high authority links for you and your clients? (Sorry for the direct question)
Answer: In my personal case networking, my secret is becoming familiar with those ones who are behind the high authority sites. And be able to present myself as an authority in my field.
This is a tactic I use also with my clients. First: build your own authoritative voice and at the same time start creating connections with other authoritative voices. With time, these relations will start creating links naturally, or make easier to propose to your contacts a content/service/tools... what so ever to link for.
Question 10: This is not a technical question, but I usually ask this from every search celebrity! How difficult it is to make people i.e. parents, friends who are not in this field and others to understand what SEO is? And what usually is their first reaction?
Answer: It is not an easy task… and usually I tend to explain it just if they ask me. I say to people who are not in the search industry that my job is to help users to find my clients sites on the web when they need them. The answer I give to my small kids: I try to make the web a better place.
Thank you sir, for your time and answering all questions. I am sure this is going to help people understand SEO better!
Moosa Hemani is an SEO Analyst and a continuous SEO learner. I don’t have any personal blog but I often writer on different search blogs as a Guest Writer. One can find more about me on my profile or follow me on twitter @mmhemani.
I really like the idea of one active community member interviewing another. Obviously, Gianluca has been a huge asset to the SEOmoz community, and it's always great to hear his perspective.
He really is an Asset. indeed!
"Has been"? I hope to actually be and in the future too ;). Thanks Peter for your kind words :)
LOL - sorry, I'm not trying past-tense you or anything. Has been, is, will forever be :)
Yeah it's an awesome idea... it should be a regular thing!
Maybe each interviewee could then become the interviewer for the next one or something, i.e. Gianluca could interview EGOL next time (that would be awesome!!)
:D
Love it! Monthly Community Interviews.
Excellent point Dr Pete. I love the idea of interviews. Its a great way to get to know other members and to get a better understanding of their feelings or their insight on various topics.
Moosa thanks so much for putting together this interview. Gianluca has been a long-time member of this community and it's so great know a bit more about him. When I was in Spain last year, Gianluca and his family graciously had me over for dinner one night. :) It's always a treat to know our community more. Again thank you both for this great interview!
This is seriously an honor for me to interview him. I have a continuous relationship with him through Twitter and Emails and here I wanted to say that he is one of those search celebrities who are always ready to help as per the best of his knowledge and experience.
Thanks Moosa.
It was a real honor to be interviewed by you, a person that I respect fondly because of all the will and strenght you are showing to be every day a better professional. You are Pakistani and I am Italian... but we have many things in common, more than a simplistic vision could tell.
I hope to see more posts of yours here and in the other important SEO sites you write in.
Hello, Moosahemani you got such a big opportunity to be a part of best and one of the most popular seo blog. The conversation between you and gianluca is really help to solve my problem which i was think about.
You know my home is your home, Jen :).
And I don't want to make blush, but a good % of me being interviewed like the celebrity I am not is also your fault :D.
The way you "direct" this multicultural, multilanguage and multicrazy community is such that everybody here feels so confortable, like really meeting friends more than collegues, that it is quite natural to spend time here again and again commenting, discussing, helping one each other in the Q&A and so on.
Thanks to both of you for putting this together. Gianluca - it's been my privilege to be your colleague on the web, but I must say I'm even more excited that we got to spend some time together personally this year as well. Now I get to call a search celebrity my friend! :-)
BTW - really liked the question about "top 3 onpage factors that have little impact" - there's still so much mythology about what SEOs have to do on the page (and I think a lot of it distracts from focusing efforts on the right stuff).
Aww, thanks Rand. Celebrity me, no ;). I believe I am of the same race our common friend Goodnewscowboy was: an eternal student. And to know you, the Moz family and its incredible community has been surely one of the things I know I won't ever regret. Finally, about the question three, I believe that few things upset me more than seeing people in our industry talking about the sex of the angels, while their sites are like the Titanic: sinking because more serious and important factors are badly overviewed.
Simply wanted to quote Paddy Moogan here 'I tend to be a bit old school in my thinking sometimes and still think that all SEOs should go back to basics and make sure they understand the fundamentals of what they are doing – and why.'
Gianluca, having seen you several times in the past year, its great to see your take on the industry here. Like you mentioned above, networking has been a primary tactic for acquiring great links, and even though I know you don't do it for celebrity or links, you are so well nkown purely because you are always out there networking and trying to help people. Keep at it!!
And hopefully I will see you more in the next future, if it will be true you will going to spend more time in Europe because of your clients and conferences. About trying to help people, I simply tried to follow the example people like you, Rand, Richard Baxter, Tom Critchlow and so many other better than me do every day.
What can I say about Gianluca (the oracle of SEOmoz). Every blogger would love to have a commenter like him. His endless contribution to the seomoz communicty via blog posts, long insightful comments and Q & A are truly outstanding. I also greatly admire his networking skills. I think there is hardly any Industry hot shot who doesn't know him.
I had the pleasure of meeting Gianluca this year in London, and can easily say he's just as nice in person. Thanks for being such a great contributor once again. Awesome :)
The pleasure was mine, David. And surely we and Hannah Smith will rock in the Italian conference we will share as speakers next year.
We sure will - really looking forward to it!
I know the term celebrity makes you uncomfortable Gianluca - but you really are a much loved, respected and appreciated member of the SEO community :)
Hannah
Gianluca, I always enjoy reading your comments on other posts, as they just put the icing on the cake, and give that extra knowledge to finish of the reading. Now an interview, really enjoyed it. Thanks Moosa for putting it together.
Great interview ! It's really nice to know better the seomoz community and Gianluca is one of the most active and on point and visibile members of this comunity.
To balance everything and point out a negative thing about the post - it's to short. An extensive set of questions with Gianluca's approach will really be helpfull espeically since he is one of the few Europeans visibile marketer here and out there. Maybe a follow up soon ? :)
LOL... thanks for your words... but I don't know how much interest would be a second round interview to me post here :D
And I'd like to correct you: I am not one of the European visible marketer here. In fact there are many active Mozzers from every part of Europe. Yes, many of them are from UK, but I see many also from other countries. Obviously, I would like to see even more EuroSEOs active here, especially from "my" countries, Spain and Italy, as I wrote in a previous comment.
Cheers
Uk dosen't cound as beeing in Europe :)
Big "thank you" to you both Moosa & Gianluca for taking the time to put this interview together.
I have to say I feel a little less like I've missed out now...every time there is an event, from Mozcon to Mozcation to SearchLove I have thought to myself "damn, I wish I was there". Partially because of the great content at those events, but also because I might just get the chance to spend some time talking with Gianluca and others whose insight and experience in SEO can sometimes be quite breathtaking!
So, even though I haven't made it there in person or been able yet to sit down with Gianluca for a chat, thanks to you Moosa, I now feel like I've at least stood next to the two of you at the bar and eavesdropped on your fascinating conversation! :)
Great interview - Thanks!
Sha
WOW! Thank you so much! Interview is one thing but i guess sitting with him for a chat will be another thrill itself and i really want that sometime in my life.. and i am working on it to make it possible ASAP. :)
Again Thanks for all the nice words Sha!
Ok Gianluca, I want my autograph! :)
When I joined SEOmoz in early 2010, I remember it was pretty hard to find a post on which you didn't replied.
I tried a (personal) challenge to beat you on MozPoints, but quickly forgot about it; gfiorelli was always sitting on the top of the list! And as your comments and points were growing, so was your knowledge!
Keep up the good work, you deserve your celebrity status! ;)
WOW! I am sure you are not the only one! in beating him on MozPoints but somehow you forget about that and get inspired with the knowledge he have!
Great interview Moosa. I've learned a lot from following Gianluca on Twitter, both on his philosophy towards learning and life (being an eternal student and having passion) and in SEO (showcasing Italian SEO examples for us who have little first-hand experience with it). :) Thanks for sharing!
Ma Pleasure Stephanie! :)
Thanks Stephanie! I believe that my real nature is the one a content curator. And to share things, well, I believe that the more someone shares the more he learns from the reactions of the others.
About sharing italian and spanish SEO stuff... I don't simply do it because I believe they are interesting, but also because I firmly believe that the Spanish and the Italian communities are filled by incredibly talented SEOs and web marketers... but limited because of the language barrier (or, better, the fear they have of the language barrier). Personally I'd love to see more of them breaking their confortable country walled garden and go out here and in the English speaking SEO arena and show how much they are worth.
Gianluca is an awesome and knowledgeable dude.
I'm amazed at how he is able to do awesome work, write his own insightful blogs on his own site and continue to engage one very post on Moz. People say I do a lot but I definitely aspire to be a machine of Gianluca's caliber.
It was great meeting you at MozCon and even better sharing the web with you ever since.
Much continued awesomeness to you my good man.
-Mike
Thanks Mike!
I recently attended a SEO conference with GianLuca in Spain and can attest that the local talent level is indeed high and he defintely has his finger on the wider SEO pulse. (It was a joy infact that both our presentations ended on practically the same slide independantly!)
One of the talks was about how to prove SEO value in fee discussions with clients in Spain and how spanish SEOs could earn more pay and respect. Spain has relative to the EU low renumeration levels, although demand remains high and supply low for SEO talent in Spain. I also think the way forward for Spanish SEOs and indeed any non english language ones is to learn English and not feel inhibited to your local geographic market. Let us not forget that first W in www.
Good to hear Gianluca thoughts. Great interview. He seems very well respected in the community. Well done
He Really is Paul!
Excellent interview. Glad you mentioned management as being a key skill in SEO. As our marketing department continues to expand and we get the privilge of working on larger and larger sites, I've found that one of my biggest challenges has been managing people and managing projects with lots of working parts. That said, I tend to enjoy a challenge, and I'm learning a lot about myself and my coworkers as I begin to start reading books about leadership and management.
Hey Jason, you pick the important part! Management is one of the core parts of the whole SEO game especially if you are freelancers... without it i have seen people end up losing projects and get lot of bad fame in their baskets!
I have to say, Gianluca is one of the first here (beside Rand of course) I noticed and remembered. Great to have a chance read interview with him.
Thanks for sharing - great interview!
The most interesting part of this interview that, how to tell a lay man that what is SEO. Good answer, "my job is to help users to find my clients sites on the web when they need them. "
Thanks Moosa..
Franklly speaking, Before this interview I was not knowing who Gianluca is. Now I'll thank Moosa for posting this interview and now I have the Exact answer for Non technical people about WHAT MY PROFESSION (SEO) IS?
Keep conducting and posting interviews of other SEO geeks. Thanks for the post MOOSA!
Regards
Sasha
Ma Pleasure ;)
"First: build your own authoritative voice and at the same time start creating connections with other authoritative voices. With time, these relations will start creating links naturally, or make easier to propose to your contacts a content/service/tools... what so ever to link for."
That is a great piece of advice, but that is also something not everyone is familiar to. I mean, there are personal constraints that tend to limit this ability and it's not easy to overcome them. One (as me, for example) can find it difficult to interact with those who are unarguably on another level in terms of knowledge and skills. Anyway, this is indeed something an SEO should be able to do.
As an Italian SEO I'm proud of what Gianluca is doing around the world. I have to admit that his tweets and his blog posts inspired me more than once.
I think he's an awesome source of knowledge for those like me who are total beginners and aspire to give the best to their clients and be better SEOs.
So, thank you Gianluca for contributing this much to this community, and thank you Moosa for this interesting interview
Very good interview Gianluca has been a huge plus to the SEOmoz community, and it's always interesting to hear his ideas.
Great post, 2 great minds of Search Marketing come together. He's a great responder. Responds to most every post out there!
Great Job Moosa!!!
First of all congrats for your first post on SEOmoz. Glad to know that your post consist of an interview from one of the respected & most honorable guy in SEO industry Mr. Gianluca Fiorelli. I too follow him & learned so much about SEO.
Sir, love your answer for number 8 which deals with least on-page optimization factors. I also think most of the SEO people are obsessive towards those little to no things which sometimes provide no results & unnecessary waste to time.
Appreciate if you can answer one of my question - Like Moosa asked 3 least on-page factors, I'd like to know 3 must do on-page optimization factors that affects the rankings heavily?
Thanks for the post Moosa!!!
Hyder... Thankyou so much for the nice words :)
Hi Hyder,
thanks for your kind words.
So... three things:
WOW!!! That was something I was looking for. Really, those 3 things you describe are MUST do for every SEO. I really liked this sent - "If you suck at keyword search you suck at SEO" which is by far true.
Thanks for the awesome reply.
"Personally, I believe that every SEO should learn to know Analytics as much as he knows coding."
I totally agree with this--there's so much to learn from referrals, paths users take through a website, pages that have high bounce rates. Driving traffic to a site is worthless if the site can't convert the visitors to customers, and analytics can tell you what's working and what's not....when users are landing on a page expecting to find X and you show them Y...etc.
Absolutely! So much can be learned through analytics. It can be easy to get bogged down in the sheer amount of data available to pick through, but even basic analytics knowledge is a huge asset.
Nice interview, Gianluca is a great memeber on SEOmoz and he always has some isnightful things to say on Twitter.
Absolutely. The SEO community would love to learn more about Italian/Spanish SEO.
Great advice about relationship building Gianluca! It's good to know that for everyone, even hardened hacks in the search community, effective link building requires effort, graft and the willingness to properly engage with indiviudals on a personal level.
Engagement is important with individuals on a personal level not only because it will help one get some great links but engagement and helping each other is great for the complete eco system!
Terrific insights and great to have a brief "window" into the mind of such an experienced and esteemed professional - all the content is great but IMO the best take away was...
"But, apart those kind of mistake, the ones I learned the most are not technical, but organizational ones."
In a business where 'time + experience + ingenuity = results' (which then equals optimium revenues and margins for an SEO frim) organisation and time management are often underrated business skills.
In business it is always a challenge to balance and prioritise the important (eg planning) versus the imminent (doing) - but when you invest your scarce time in working ON the business rather than IN the business, the benefits in terms of performance, results, and yes, even lifestyle/work-life balance allow you to start seeing the light at the end of the tunnel (and hopefully not a train coming the other way :))
Thanks again for putting this together Moosa and thanks Gianluca for sharing...
I agree that every SEO should have a good understanding of Analytics as they do for coding. I took Avinash's Google Analytics Certification course to become an Anaytics Ninja. I must say that I have now come into "full circle marketing". I am able to track a lot of the things I do both online and offline. I highly recommend going to Market Motive and looking at Avinash's Web Analytics program.
Hello Analtycs ninja. Wher did you go for such course?
Thank you for the great interview. I completely agree that you need to work with clients that are a good fit. Saying yes to everything wil most often backfire. I learned my lesson to say "no" as well, and my work is more fullfilling now.
Gianluca Fiorelli is so good with his great combined knowledge of SEO and social media. That why he has re tweeted the announcement about editorial specialist of SEOmoz
Great interview. My favorite quotes:
Google is a businss, not a charitable organization.
So, to think your site can rank without link building is a supreme stupidity.
Excellent interview !! You've done a great job. I'll keep your SEO ideas as keynotes!! Excited to see you around!!
Syed
Good job Moosa, once i had a disccsion with you, i got impressed by your logical thoughts about SEO.
Hi Moosa,
Hope you are doing well, I love this post. Networking has become the asset, still in between of seo communities and webmasters. How can we aware the people whose not belong to our industry and how can make the network with them...
I really want to know, how to use schema.org, will it use with only <div> tags or simple html, please give me the perfect live example..
Thanks...
Thank you for your words Mukesh...
Your question about schema.org is quite open but i manage to find the getting started guide provided by scheme.org... Please take a look (https://schema.org/docs/gs.html)
Moosa Thank you for your quick reply,
Actually, I have this resource, i wanted to know can we use it without <div> in simple html formatting!
And tell me the answer of my first question!
How can we aware the people whose not belong to our industry and how can make the network with them...
Thanks
To be honest I never tried this thing on table so em not sure about it! But I can try and will let you know…
About your 2nd question, em not sure what exactly your question is but if you mean how to engage with the people who are to from the SEO world then the idea would be the same find the targeted people from tools like Social Mention and help each other…to build stronger relationship!
Thank you Moosahemani!
I agree with this today the world is expanding a lot through networking and seo.
Thanks MoosaHemani for introducing him with the new community members before this great interview i was not knowing who the Gianluca is.
I am very new in this field and every time my frieds ask what is your occupation i ignore them. But with this interview i can them very proudly. Thanks moosa for the interview and specially for the last question.
I have got the chance to interview few known celebrities in the Search Industry and to be honest i ask this question everyone and guess what.. this is the most decent reply that i really liked! :)
Thanks for the kind words sir!
That is so true sir! and yeah love the comment by you (The Oracle of SEOmoz) #epic
Moosa,
Thanks for asking such great questions. I was have been particularly interested in Schema.org and what it's impact on rankings will be in the future.Best Regards
Schema, huh? Ok. I'm on it. Not looking forward to it, but I'm on it. Thanks.
Very Informative