May it Please the Mozzers,
I present myself to you as your legal resource for all things SEO/M related.
A graduate of the University of Washington School of Law, I have spent the last three years litigating complex and diverse legal issues. With much gratitude and enthusiasm, I recently accepted SEOmoz's invitation to bring my expertise to the SEO/M community.
Although I cannot give you legal advice, I can give you information about the law. My goal is to expand SEOmoz's scope and increase its utility by b(law)ging on legal issues and trends affecting the SEO/M industry. In time, I aim to provide sample contracts, cease and desist letters, DMCA takedown notices, and disclaimers for your use. I will also issue a weekly blog post featuring questions and answers on topics such as copyright and fair use, trademark, privacy, contracts, International IP treaties, net neutrality, and license agreements.
It bears repeating: This is not legal advice. Legal advice is when a lawyer applies the law to a specific set of facts. For legal advice, I urge you to contact qualified counsel. However, this blog post will help you avoid common pitfalls and determine when you need to seek out legal advice.
I offer you my legal mind. In exchange, please forward me your burning legal questions. Because law touches so many areas of SEO/M, I would appreciate your guidance on topics of interest and importance to the community. Feel free to comment here or email me directly. I look forward to working with you. Let's get started!
I’d like to start off my first Q&A post by answering a question posed by Will Critchlow from Distilled. He was working through the complicated intersection of U.S. copyright law and international law. More specifically, Will asked questions like:
- How does one know where a copyright infringement case is heard and what law is applied for violations involving parties from all over the world? Location of the server? Blogger? Copyright holder?
- Can a U.S. blogger employ the United States' legal definition of “fair use” if he or she is writing their posts to primarily UK-based viewers?
- Can a U.K. blogger employ U.S. definitions of “fair use” if she is posting primarily to Britain-based viewers?
Mr. Critchlow has jumped right in to the deep end with this question. The short answer to his question [you're going to love this] is "it depends." [That'll be $500 bucks please.]
Stay with me now. While this kind of post may make you feel like you're about to expire from ennui, remember that this could keep you out of jail some day. At the very least, memorizing a few of the key legal terms and principles below will make you sound tremendously impressive at your next SEO/M event.
There is no such thing as international copyright law.
First, there is no such thing as international copyright law. Oh no. That would make it too easy. Instead, there is a whole conglomeration of international treaties, unions, and conventions. If it weren't for these international treaties and conventions, there would be no way for copyright holders to enforce their rights in other countries.
Because of the rise of global commerce and the increasing importance of intellectual property, most nations of the world have entered into a series of treaties, unions and conventions. For the over-achievers, I am linking to a list of countries and the various copyright treaties/conventions they have entered into. For example, the U.S. has entered into the following treaties: the Berne Union, the Paris revision of the Berne treaty, NAFTA, the UCC, the Paris revision of the UCC, the WIPO Copyright Treaty, and the WIPO Performances and Phonograms Treaty, blah blah blah etc. etc. These treaties often have different levels of copyright protection and jurisdiction rules. This is part of the reason that the short answer to Mr. Critchlow's question is "it depends." I'm not just being coy.
I'm going to give you some general principles and trends to try and make international copyright not seem so complicated. Then I'm going to ruin your new-found confidence by throwing several wrenches into the mix. Sounds like fun, right?
Where will my international copyright case be heard?
Very generally speaking, a copyright infringement case with international components (what I'm calling an "international copyright case") will be brought where the infringement took place. Lawyers refer to this principle as the “territoriality” of copyright law. Of course, this begs the question, “How do you determine where the infringement took place when dealing with infringements on the internet?”
Courts around the world have grappled with this question, the same way philosophers have grappled with the mind/body problem. Is the infringement location determined by the location of the server? By the residence of the person authorizing the infringement? The residence of the copyright holder resides? Where the defendant resides? What about where the harm from the infringement occurred? After laboring over this issue, most courts in most of the world have given up trying to use a simple, one-factor test. It’s just not that simple. Instead, judges are doing what judges love to do: considering all the factors and then going with their gut instincts. It’s similar to Justice Stewart’s famous definition of hard-core pornography: “I know it when I see it.”
Despite the difficulty of determining the location of infringement on the internet, there are certain things courts all over the world agree on. First, the mere fact that you can view a website with infringing content in Country A does not give Country A jurisdiction. Now, if you can purchase infringing content, such as a book or a song from that website in Country A, then that may be different story. Second, the mere fact that a host server is located in Country B, without more, does not give Country B jurisdiction. If the connection is that minimal, it is not enough to establish jurisdiction.
Because of the many factors to be considered, there may be more than one right answer in determining where your international copyright case should be heard. It is increasingly common in the global marketplace that two or more countries have jurisdiction to hear the dispute.
For example, assume that the copyright holder lives in the U.K., the infringer lives in the U.K., but the host server and the target market for the infringing website is in Russia. It is likely that the case could be brought in either Britain or Russia because both countries have substantial connections to the dispute.
Don’t you just love multiple choice questions where the answer can be all of the above?
What country’s law will the forum court apply?
This surprises a lot of non-law people, but courts sometimes apply the laws of other countries. They don’t like doing it, but they do it in certain situations.
Why would the court apply another country’s laws? Sometimes parties to a contract agree to a specific forum in advance.
For example, Able Corporation enters into a licensing contract with Brutus Corporation that includes a choice of law and forum. Both parties agree in the contract that any disputes shall be settled using U.K. law and be filed in Britain. Able resides in the U.K. (hence the choice of forum) and Brutus resides in Brazil. When Brutus exceeds the scope of the license agreement, Able can bring suit in the U.K. and U.K. law will be applied. If there were no contract in place, then Able may have to bring the suit in Brazil and be subject to Brazilian copyright law.
If there is no contract in place, and often there isn’t, then courts will usually apply the law of the forum country. More accurately, the court will apply the law of the country where the infringement took place. For reasons discussed above about jurisdiction, the country where the infringement took place is usually the forum country.
However, that’s not always the case. Lawyers everywhere continue to be in a tizzy about “extra-territorial” applications of copyright law.
For example, in the case of London Film Productions Ltd. v. Intercontinental Communications, Inc., 580 F.Supp. 47 (1984), the plaintiff corporation was a resident of Britain. The defendant was a resident of the United States. The infringements took place in Chile and other Latin American countries. Which court do you suppose heard the case? The United States federal court. The court determined that it had sufficient contacts with the facts giving rise to the dispute to justify hearing the case, even though the infringements took place in other countries. Thus, the U.S. federal court judge was put in the position of having to apply several other Latin American countries’ laws. While courts don’t generally enjoy doing this, the alternative, reasoned the U.S. federal court, was to require the plaintiff to bring the case in several different Latin American countries. This would be a colossal waste of resources. Thus, after considering all the factors, the U.S. federal court determined it had jurisdiction to hear the case and that it would apply the laws of foreign countries where appropriate to determine whether infringements in fact took place.
London Film Productions is an example of a court having jurisdiction, but applying another country’s law. Location of the infringement is the one of the strongest factors in determining which country's law to apply.
The cautionary tale of Hew Griffiths is another example of an international copyright case that was not decided in the same country where the infringement took place. But this case goes even further than London Film Productions by not even applying the law of the country where the infringement took place. An Australian citizen who never set foot in the U.S., Griffiths was extradited from Australia to the U.S. for making available to Australians pirated software that was copyrighted in the United States. Based on the trends and rules discussed above, Australian courts would have had jurisdiction and applied Australian law in this situation. That was certainly an option. Instead, however, Griffiths was extradited to the U.S. and plead guilty to violating U.S. copyright laws.
What’s the point? The point is that although people will tell you that a case should be heard where the infringement took place and that country’s laws should be applied, that is not always the case as demonstrated by London Film Productions and the tale of Hew Griffiths.
But I heard that something called “the National Treatment Doctrine” determined the choice of law!
If you do your own research on copyright infringement and conflict of laws, you may read that something called the “national treatment policy” determines which law is going to be applied. This is a common oversimplification. Don’t fall for it.
The Berne Treaty, probably the preeminent international copyright treaty, requires that foreign copyright holders be treated the same as native copyright holders in that country’s court system. In other words, people from the U.S. can bring infringement cases in Germany and must be provided the same rights as a German citizen. This sounds as if the national treatment doctrine requires that German copyright law be applied to foreign citizens who bring cases in Germany. However, for reasons discussed above, the forum country sometimes applies a foreign nation’s laws. Depending on the facts of the case, “national treatment” could mean providing the same rights as a German citizen under German law, or the same rights as a German citizen under U.S. law.
The moral of the story is that location of the court and the “national treatment doctrine” don’t always determine the choice of law.
What if suit is brought in two different countries arising out of the same set of facts and courts in different countries claim jurisdiction over the case?
If, after reading all of the above, you are thoroughly confused, you are not alone. Attorneys and judges regularly confuse these issues. Jurisdiction and choice of law issues require consideration of many different factors and reasonable minds often look at the same factors and come to different conclusion. In the end, it is entirely possible that two different courts, located in different countries, both have good reasons for hearing a case. This is when it is important to hire very top notch legal representatives to out-lawyer your adversary.
For example, assume that you’re a U.S. resident and you have written something brilliant and wonderful and that you own the copyright. Let’s also assume that Brutus Corporation, domiciled also in the U.S., has made a parody of your work....in French. Brutus is using a server located in France to reach millions of French viewers with the parody. Your lawyers will tell you to go bring your claim in France because there is a good argument that is “where the infringement took place” AND French law is more favorable to your case than U.S. law. This is because the French have stronger “moral rights” to protect copyright and they have a much narrower definition of “fair use,” a likely defense to your claim.
After you file your claim in France, Brutus Corporation is going to hire crackerjack attorneys to convince the French court that the U.S. is really the best place to hear the case because that is where both of the parties reside. Brutus Corporation has a great incentive to argue against France having jurisdiction; if they get the case before a U.S. federal court, they may be able to convince that judge to apply U.S. law. The United States Copyright Act has a very liberal definition of “fair use” that includes the right to parody copyrighted material. Thus, the defendant has a greater chance of winning if it can get the case moved. The plaintiff wants to keep it in France and the defendant would rather it be heard in the United States. A factual situation like this could really go either way because both courts have significant contacts with the parties to the suit and therefore could exercise jurisdiction.
Now you are just as confused as all the lawyers and judges around the world.
Alright mozzers. It is my hope that after you read this you will appreciate why lawyers and b(law)gers appear to be obfuscating whenever they respond "it depends" to your international copyright issues. There is not one right answer to questions of jurisdiction and conflicts of law. The law continues to sputter along after developments in technology.
From now on, you are more informed than most people about international copyright issues. And you are probably still confused. But hopefully you know why you are confused and that it's not your fault. All the lawyers and judges around the world are still struggling with these issues.
As this area of law continues to develop, I will keep you updated.
On a final note, be sure to consult a qualified legal attorney if you're struggling with a copyright issue. My post is not a replacement for specifically-tailored legal advice.
Thanks for your attention to this post.
Best Regards,
Sarah
p.s. Don't forget! Not only do I invite questions and comments about this particular post, but any legal questions at all for the (hopefully) weekly series of blog posts on legal issues in the search world.
Sarah, great post. I will need to reread it a few times to get my head around it but it is a great addition to the blog. Looking forward to more posts about legal issues.
A suggestion: as law pertaining to the internet is still in its infancy (compared to e.g. labor law or property law) it can be quite difficult to find a lawyer specialising in this subject. Maybe it would be an idea to create a list of lawyers that specialise in this, similar to the recommended companies list?
We have some clients in the legal sector and from these I know of only one individual locally who knows more than the basics about international copyright but even she knows only little about how this applies to the internet.
NB: kudos for the Ali G reference :D
Yeah - seconded. Especially in different countries.
Fantastic idea. I will start a "recommended companies list."
Thanks for the suggestion!
Consigliere, Good. Someday, and that day may never come, I'll call upon you to do a service for me. But, until that day, accept this justice as a gift on your first post's day.
To quote Strong Bad, "Your head asplode!"
I remember my media law class when people start talking like this lol. I loved that class. I think i was the only one that did too... ;-)
Thank you Sarah for a very interesting read. I look forward reading more of your posts in the future.
Thumbs up for the Strong Bad reference!
A nicely written post, Sarah! Get used to people complaining that they are too long (the blog world has taught people that anything over 500 words is too long) but please don't start shortening them for that reason - people got used to my post lengths and they will get used to yours too.
I think it's a form of a writing disease that is passed around law schools - the inability to post something important that you know is incomplete or misleading due to it's length. ;)
When writing for pure entertainment, short and sweet is good. When trying to answer tricky legal issues, short and sweet is kind of like judging a case based on newspaper headlines, rather than the actual facts, which are usually a lot more complicated than a sound bite makes them out to be.
The people who really need this information will appreciate the time it takes you to write it and the attention to detail involved, and in my experience, it's just a matter of time before everyone in this industry will need it, at some time or another.
I really like this post and am bookmarking it and linking to it - thanks. I was starting to get bored with constant and mostly useless blog posts streaming through my RSS reader every day.
Of course, there are only 5 or 6 legally trained search marketers around, so I admit I'm kind of biased in my choices of what's interesting... Welcome to the club!
Ian
PS Bill Slawski and I registered "searchsharks.com" a while back with the intent on creating an SEO legal blog, but then of course we both got really busy doing everything else and nothing ever happened.
We would basically post legal-related commentary on our own blogs and then we would link to and summarize them on searchsharks.com as a central area to go and find this stuff - interested? I won't be put off if you say you are too busy - mea culpa too.
Ian,
Thanks for the invite to searchsharks.com. I'm definitely interested!
Well I guess if someone is in dire need of legal help they would CHERISH a long posting on legal issues with SEO... But for the average user on this site looking to learn the basics of SEO and some tips... a long post on legality is sort of outside of the scope of our interest... a short post on legality's applicability to SEO in general to open up our mind to that aspect would be more grabbing in my opinion...
Congratulations on your first post Sarah. Just think how awful it would be if everyone had to follow America and extend copyright to cover material almost indefinitely. Personally, I was itching to create a youtube mashup of mickey mouse in steamboat willie!
Congrats on your first 'moz-blog post Sarah! As an added bonus, I can honestly say that I thoroughly enjoyed your first one, without smirking and sounding like this is an insincere welcome-wagon comment.
Legal issues in the search marketing field is something I'm very interested in, so this is a most welcome addition.
PS. Bonus kudos for making me smile at the memory of Bill S Preston, Esq... however unintentional!
A very interesting post to a great question & one that I need to re-read to properly allow it to sink in.
Another interesting topic on a similar theme is the one of libel & slander. There have already been instances where, due to the fact that the libel laws in the UK are heavily slanted against the defendant, people have brought libel actions over here even though the content was on a US site. Thankfully the courts threw the case out as only 5 people in the UK had seen the article.
I have a feeling that there are similar issues when people in the UK get orders stopping the media discussing an issue (such as a potentially libellous one); although the ruling can't stop foreign media discussing it I have a feeling that it does stop them publishing it on sites accesible from the UK.
I'd be interested in hearing what Sarah thinks, but it strikes me that it means that bloggers should be very careful before shooting off at the mouse if there's a chance that a case may be brought outside the US.
Thanks for your comment Ciaran.
I'm adding a post on Slander/Libel/Defamation to my list of interesting topics to cover.
What a great post! You've distilled the basic copyright issues and FAQs down to something that the average corporate joes and josies can understand and explain to their boss. Nice job and thanks!
Ouch!
just reading all that makes my head hurt, getting my brain around it is another thing again, but thanks, there is some very useful info in there.
copyright infringement is bigger than many webmasters/bloggers realize as there are so many site scrapers and web copy content theives out there who will grab our valuable web copy for their own use.
CopyScape provides a decent way of discovering when content's been stolen, but I'd really like some way of stopping it in the first place!
I'm waiting to find out if the new service/tool/whatever it is from "CopyDefender.com" will do the job, but I guess they'reno ready to release it just yet...
:(
WoW! Your b[law]g is first of its kind. I hope to learn more from... Thanks Sarah and SEOMOZ
Interesting, but I am not surprised though. I attended a session at BlogWorld Expo about internet law (applied to bloggers), fair use of text, images and videos of content used in a blog post etc.
"It Depends" was also the favorite answer of the lawyer there :)
Hey, if law would be easy and clear, who'd need a lawyer, right?
The depends question then gets often resolved by the size of the valet each party has to pay or not pay the legal fees that can be expected if a lawsuit actually happens (most start with a ceases and desist letter first) and the level of commitment to go through all this.
The law is at the end of the day only factor number 3 in terms of relevance.
This is good for the brain. With so many ideas, copy, inventions, etc.. being "stolen" by someone overseas, it makes one wonder if international laws are very effective for the little guys.
Big corporations just fight it out: they have the money to hire the lawyers.
Little companies usually just sigh and go on with life as it is stolen from their grasp.
You're right DB9k.
You can get judgments that include attorneys' fees in many jurisdictions. However, the little guy still has to come up with tons of money up front to get his crackerjack legal team.
Another difficult element in copyright cases is "proving" damages. Demonstrating to the Court that you deserve hundreds of thousands of dollars, especially if you're a little guy, is not easy.
I think you've brought out a couple of interesting points for further posts. (1) How do you prove damages in a copyright case. (2) Does the current copyright regime succeed in protecting the little guy.
Thanks for your comment!
Brilliant! Count me as a fan.
Sarah, SEOmoz have taken a smart step by incorporating you to the staff... Legal aspects are very important for companies and many CEOs and managers seem to ignore them sometimes, and that is a source of problems in the future. On the other hand, I always admire to a lawyer who is dedicated to legal issues on technology areas... Because technology always go faster than laws and Governments and for that reason it must be a challenging work.
Okay, you guys got me.
Now that you have this bird on board, I'm gonna have to take time to become Premium.
Wecome Sarah and feel free to help yourself to some of my membership fees !
Wow, what a great addition to the Moz staff. Blawg. Ha. I wish I could give this post 2 thumbs up as it deserves! Really looking forward to future posts.
wow, quite a lot of info to digest there but I feel a lot wiser for it now thanks sarah
Benvenuto Signora Consigliere!
Quite an impressive introduction.
The post is very very good in the way of explanation to copyright law. I am at the moment facing some major issues regarding copyright - and it would be interesting to see your other posts - very often bloggers IP rights arent protected and get taken advantage off.
My major issue is with copyright domain ownership and usage - would you have any refernce mateiral regarding the issues surrounding this topic? I have consulted legal teams and SEO's - each have different opinions - in fact the issue worries me so much that I raised it at the SMX London and all four experts asked us to stay away from cease and desist. In the UK, the laws are even more obscure....
In fact - trademarked brands seem to have no online protection in terms of URL structure etc - I would love to see any info that would support a legal strategy for the recovery and or ceasure of branded URL use by third parties.
Holy cow. Great post Sarah. Thanks, and welcome.
Specifically, thanks for answering my question - I feel very privileged to be first. Sorry it was a tricky one! So tricky in fact that so far the main thing I've learnt is "it depends, that'll be 500 bucks" (love it - when it's on a blog rather than a lawyer saying it to my face, of course!).
I wanted to comment and say thank you first. Now I'm going to go back and read it properly (I have my coffee ready).
Finally - quick question (that may be more for Rand): I can clearly see the benefit of a legal blogger and q&a answerer - can you also share a bit of the plan for Sarah's time in the future? Now the deal is signed, how will you fill a full-time lawyer's time?
Good question about employing a lawyer.
Thank goodness the SEOmoz gang doesn't get into enough trouble to require my full-time attention.
I do spend a lot of my time reviewing and writing contracts here. As you know, SEOmoz has been growing pretty quickly. Thus, there is a lot of paperwork that needs to get pushed around and discussed ad nauseum. I love love love it. [The office has had to purchase a new printer since I came on board because I'm the only one here who finds paper files romantic. (All lawyers are going to green-house-gas hell.)]
I'm hoping that a lot of my time will be taken up by researching and writing about search and law. My goal is to go beyond keeping for SEOmoz out of trouble. I want to adopt the whole search community and help all my mozzers understand the law and make it work for them.
So, keep your excellent questions coming! I want to earn my keep.
Well, based on the start you've made, I'm looking forward to that!
WOW! Welcome, Sarah... and great post!
Does this mean Premium Members will be able to ask specific legal questions in the Q&A? Not for legal advice, of course, but for information about the law?
Yes! It does mean that you can ask legal-related questions in the Q+A section and get a response directly from Sarah :) As you said - it's not legal advice, just insight from someone well-versed and formally trained in the law.
Great Post Sarah!
I like your style, the sub headings were handy for me to scan to the parts I needed to read. (I'll of course go back and read it word by word ;)
Welcome to the blog!
Welcome Sarah! Nice first post - I feel both confused and a bit cleverer all at the same time :-)
Looking forward to your answers to future questions!
Crikey. That was a good start to your b(law)ging career.
How to follow that?
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I wonder what will happen in the future with the Moz-bashers now that you have your own resident legal rottweiler on hand?
Could be interesting.
Good to have you on board, Sarah.
Legal information is much needed, and I'm sure that Jane will have you putting together legal link-bait soon :)
At some point I'd love to know more about the cases where a client tries to sue an SEO for
a) A fall in their rankings over time
b) Working for a competing client in the future
Best of luck!
Great suggestions Lindop!
I'll add that to my list!
Fantastic post Sarah, I'm going to check out your other articles in search for copyright law info!
Qhat about India rules?
On a side note, because I just commented at Rands article about "the Dark Side of Wikipedia". You used an aweful lot of references to Wikipedia, which made the article look very "interesting" in Firefox (Rand obviously did enable nofollow to all Wikipedia links)
It was speculated once that too many outbound links with nofollow could hurt you (the thought was that your site must look very bad in the eyes of search engines if you link to many sites without even trusting them). That this is not the case was demonstrated by Wikipedia obviously who also showed that hoarding inbound link juice without giving anything to anybody else can boost your rankings even further. Cheers!
This post reminds me of many of the old Michael Martinez posts... VERY long and technical... Is there a cliff notes version? ;)
If someone:
If the material is not in the public domain in another country, is the person potentially guilty of copyright infringement?
Based on your post, I am guessing that there shouldn't be a risk, since the material is viewable but can not be purchased in the other country. However, I'm not quite sure why the barrier is whether it can be purchased and not whether it is "made available".
Thanks!