I truly believe in the power of partnerships. There have been some incredible partnerships that changed the fabric of our culture. Larry Page and Sergey Brin. William Procter and James Gamble. The Olson Twins.
Good partnerships provide support, motivation, and complementary skills, often allowing you to overcome hurdles faster and create some truly marvelous things. In consulting or any agency work, the concept of "partnership" should be the backbone of your relationship. Like a puzzle piece, sometimes the fit is initially difficult to find – if available at all. The truth is, you're only secure if your clients are walking in the same direction as the flow of your service. If they're walking against the current, you have what I believe to be the most detrimental predicament a service provider can have – a rift. That's a truly offensive four-letter word.
What kind of rift are we talking about? Let's do a little calculating.
First think about what you or your agency is really good at. Think about the components you have the most success with; this may actually be different than where you're most experienced. Think about what you should be selling versus not (even if those items are currently on your menu – let's be candid here, a lot of us casually promote services we believe we should be selling even though it's not a fully baked product or core competency). Think about the amount of time you really spent challenging a given service to make sure it's truly impactful to a client versus your own bottom line.
Next, think about your past client debacles (if you haven't stopped to perform a postmortem, you should). Chances are these led to events that cost you a lot of time, pain, and possibly money. They are the memories that make you shudder. Those are the days that made you dust off your resume and think about a career change.
Finally, how many of these past clients should have never been signed in the first place? How many simply weren't a fit from the start? How many simply never had a shot at being successful with you – and vice-versa? This computation really needs serious consideration. Have you wasted everyone's time?
There can be a costly fallout. I've seen talented team members quit over clients that simply could not be managed. I've seen my colleagues go so far as to cry or start seeking therapy (in part) because of overwhelming clients who were not getting what they expected and a parent company who wasn't providing any relief. Sometimes these clients were bound to an annual contract which only made them more desperate and angry. Rifts like this can kill your business.
This should never happen.
Client/agency relationships are marriages, but marriages start with dating
I really like this 2011 post from A List Apart called Marry Your Clients. A few years old, but nothing has changed. However, my post is going to talk about the courting part before the honeymoon.
My post also assumes you make more money on longer consulting relationships. If you've somehow built your model through routinely hunting new business with the expectation you're going to get fired, then that's a different story. For most of us however, on-boarding a client is a lot of work, both in terms of hours (which is money) and brainpower. If you "hit it off" with your client, you begin to know their business more intimately, as well as their goals and KPIs. The strategies get easier to build; they also tend to be more successful as you become aware of what their tastes and limitations are. You find you have things in common (perhaps you both enjoy long walks to the bank). You often become true partners with your clients, who in turn promote your ideas to their bosses. These are your most profitable engagements, as well as your most rewarding. They tend to last years, sometimes following your point-of-contact to their next jobs as well.
But you don't get this way simply because both parties signed a legally-bounding document.
The truth is not all parties can work together. A lot of client/agency relationships end in divorce. Like in romance, sometimes you just aren't compatible.
A different kind of online dating
After my first marriage went kaput, I'll admit I went to Match.com. For those who never tried online dating, it's really an exercise in personal marketing. You upload your most attractive pictures. You sell yourself above everyone else. You send communications back and forth to the interested parties where you work to craft the "perfect" response; as well as ask qualifying questions. I found it works pretty well – the online process saved me from potentially bad dates. Don't get me wrong, I still have some awkward online dating stories…
Photo from Chuck Woolery's Twitter profile
With consulting, if we're supposed to ultimately marry our clients, we should obviously be allowed to see if there's a love connection. We should all be our own Chuck Woolery. I tend to think this stage is crucial, but often rushed by agencies or managed by a department outside of your own.
Some agencies seem to have a "no dating" policy. For some, it's not uncommon to come in to work and have an email from a higher-up with the subject, "congratulations – you're now married to a new client!" Whether it's a client development department, or an add-on from an existing client, your marketing department is suddenly forced into an arranged marriage where you can only hope to live up to their expectations.
This is a recipe for disaster. I don't like to run a business on luck and risk, so clearly this makes no sense to me.
But I've been there. I once worked for an agency that handed me a signed contract for a major underwear brand – but I didn't even know we were even speaking to them. Before I had a chance to get the details, the VP of digital marketing called me. I did my best to understand what they were promised in terms of SEO goals without admitting I really had no clue about their business. The promises were unrealistic, but being somewhat timid and naïve back in the day, I went with it. Truth is, their expectations did not fit into our model, philosophies, or workflow. Ultimately I failed to deliver to their expectations. The contract ended early and I vowed to never let that happen again. Not just for the stress and anxiety it brought upon my team and me, but for the blatant neglect to the client as well.
With this being something I never forgot, I would occasionally bring this story up with others I met at networking events or conventions. I quickly learned this is far from an isolated incident occurring only to me. This is how some agencies build their business development departments.
Once again, this should never happen.
How to qualify a client
Let's assume by now I have successfully inspired a few things:
- A client/agency relationship should truly be a partnership akin to a good marriage.
- A client should never be thrown into a model that doesn't make sense for their business (i.e., your style of SEO services), and process should be in place for putting all the parties in the same room before a deal is signed.
Now we're up to number 3:
- Not all relationships work, so all parties should try to truly connect before there is a proposal. Don't rush the signature!
Here are some of the things we do at Greenlane to really qualify a client. Before I continue, though, I'm proud to brag a little. With these practices in place, our close rate – that is, the companies we really want to work with – is 90% in our favor. Our retainment is also very high. Once we started being prudent with our intake, we've only lost a few companies due to funding issues or a change in their business model – not out of performance. I should also add that these tips work with all sizes of clients. While some of our 20+ clients are smaller businesses, we also have household brands and public companies, all of which could attest to going through this process with us.
It's all in the details
Your website is your Match.com profile. Your website is your personality. If you're vague or promotional or full of hype, only to get someone on the phone to which your "car salesman" gear kicks in, I don't think you're using the website to the best of its ability. People want to use the website to learn more about you before the reach out.
Our "about us" page is our third most visited page next to the homepage and pricing (outside of the blog). You can see an example from a Hotjar heatmap:
The truth is, I'm always tweaking (and A/B testing) our message on the about us page. This page is currently part of a funnel that we careful put together. The "about us" page is a quick but powerful overview putting our team front and center and highlighting our experience (including some past clients).
I believe the website's more than a brochure. It's a communication device. Don't hide or muddle who you are. When I get a prospect email through our form, I always lead them to our "Are We The Right Fit" page. That's right – I actually ask them to consider choosing wisely. Now at first glance, this might go against a conversion funnel that heats up the prospect and only encourages momentum, but this page has really been a strong asset. It's crafted to transparently present our differentiators, values, and even our pricing. It's also crafted to discourage those who aren't a good fit. You can find this page here. Even our URL provides the "Are We The Right Fit" question.
We want prospects to make a good decision. We care so much about companies doing great that we'd rather you find someone else if our model isn't perfect. Sure, sometimes after pointing someone to that link, they never return. That's OK. Just like a dating profile, this page is designed to target a certain kind of interest. Time is a commodity in agency life – no sense in wasting it on a conversation that isn't qualified. When we do catch a prospect after reviewing the page and hear, "we went with another firm who better suits our needs," it actually doesn't feel like a loss at all.
Everyone who comes back goes into our pipeline. At this stage they all get followed up on with a phone call. If they aren't a good fit from the get go we actually try to introduce them to other SEO companies or consultants who would be a better fit for them. But 9 times out of 10, it's an amazing conversation.
Never drop the transparency
There are a few things I try to tell all the prospects I ultimately speak with. One, I openly admit I'm not a salesman. I couldn't sell ice water to people in hell. But I'm good at being really candid about our strengths and experiences.
Now this one tends to surprise some, especially in the larger agency setting. We admit that we are really choosy about the clients we take on. For our model, we need clients who are flexible, fast moving, interested in brand building, and interested in long-term relationships. We want clients who think in terms of strategy and will let us work with their existing marketing team and vendors. We audit them for their understanding of SEO services and tell them how we're either alike or different.
I don't think a prospect call goes by without me saying, "while you're checking us out to see if we're a good fit, we're doing the same for you." Then, if the call goes great, I let them know we'd like a follow up call to continue (a second date if you will). This follow up call has been where the real decision gets made.
Ask the right questions
I've vetted the opportunity, now my partner – who naturally has a different way of approaching opportunities and relationships – asks a different set of questions. This adds a whole different dimension and works to catch the questions I may not have asked. We've had companies ready to sign on the first call, to which I've had to divert any signatures until the next conversation. This too may seem counter-intuitive to traditional business development, but we find it extremely valuable. It's true that we could have more clients in our current book of business, but I can proudly state that every current client is exactly who we want to be with; this is very much because of everything you've read so far.
On each call we have a list of qualifying questions that we ask. Most are "must answer" questions, while others can roll into a needs analysis questionnaire that we give to each signed client. The purpose of the needs analysis is to get more granular into business items (such as seasonal trends, industry intelligence, etc.) for the intention of developing strategies. With so much to ask, it's important to be respectful of the prospects' time. At this point they've usually already indicated they've read our website, can afford our prices, and feel like we're a good fit.
Many times prospects start with their introduction and answer some of our questions. While they speak, I intently listen and take many notes.
These are 13 questions from my list that I always make sure get answered on a call, with some rationale:
Questions for the prospect:
1. Can you describe your business model and products/services?
- What do you sell?
- B2B or B2C
- Retail or lead generation?
Rationale : sometimes when reviewing the website it's not immediately clear what kind of business they're in. Perhaps the site just does a bad job, or sometimes their real money making services are deeper in the site and easily missed by a fast scan. One of our clients works with the government and seems to have an obvious model, but the real profit is from a by-product, something we would have never picked up on during our initial review of the website. It's important to find out exactly what the company does. Is it interesting? Can you stay engaged? Is it a sound model that you believe in? Is it a space you have experience in?
2. What has been your experience with [YOUR SERVICE] in the past?
Rationale: Many times, especially if your model is different, a prospect may have a preconceived notion of what you actually do. Let's take SEO as an example – there are several different styles of SEO services. If they had a link building company in the past, and you're a more holistic SEO consulting practice, their point of reference may only be with what they've experienced. They may even have a bad taste in their mouth from a previous engagement, which gives you a chance to air it out and see how you compare. This is also a chance to know if you're potentially playing with a penalized site.
3. What are your [PPC/SEO/etc.] goals?
Rationale: Do they have realistic goals, or lofty, impossible goals? Be candid – tell them if you don't think you can reach the goals on the budget they have, or if you think they should choose other goals. Don't align yourself with goals you can't hit. This is where many conversations could end.
4. What's your mission or positioning statement?
Rationale: If you're going to do more than just pump up their rankings, you probably want to know the full story. This should provide a glimpse into other marketing the prospect is executing.
5. How do you stand out?
Rationale: Sometimes this is answered with the question above. If not, really dig up the differentiators. Those are typically the key items to build campaigns on. Whether they are trying to create a new market segment or have a redundant offering, this can help you set timeline and success expectations.
6. Are you comfortable with an agency that may challenge your plans and ideas?
Rationale: This is one of my favorite questions. There are many who hire an agency and expect "yes-men." Personally I believe an agency or consultant should be partners; that is, not afraid to fight for what they know is right for the benefit of the client. You shouldn't be afraid of injury:
7. Who are your competitors?
Rationale: Not only do you want this for competitive benchmarking, but this can often help you understand more about the prospect. Not to mention, how big a hill you might have to climb to start competing on head terms.
8. What is your business reach? (local, national, international)?
Rationale: An international client is going to need more work than a domestic client. A local client is going to need an expertise in local search. Knowing the scope of the company can help you align your skills with their targets.
9. What CMS are you on?
Rationale: This is a big one. It tells you how much flexibility you will have. Wordpress? Great – you'll probably have a lot of access to files and templates. A proprietary CMS or enterprise solution? Uh-oh. That probably means tickets and project queues. Are you OK with that?
10. What does your internal team look like?
Rationale: Another important question. Who will you be working with? What skill sets? Will you be able to sit at the table with other vendors too? If you're being hired to fill in the gaps, make sure you have the skills to do so. I ask about copywriters, developers, designers, and link builders at a minimum.
11. What do you use for analytics?
Rationale: A tool like Wappalyzer can probably tell you, but sometimes bigger companies have their own custom analytics through their host. Sometimes it's bigger than Google Analytics, like Omniture. Will you be allowed to have direct access to it? You'd be surprised how often we hear no.
12. How big is your site? Do you have other properties?
Rationale: It's surprising how often a prospect forgets to mention those 30+ subdomains and microsites. If the prospect envisions it as part of the deal, you should at least be aware of how far the core website extends.
13. What is your budget, preferred start time, and end date?
Rationale: The biggest question of all. Do they even meet your fee requirements? Are you staffed and ready to take on the work? Sure, talking money can be tough, but if you post your rates firm, the prospect is generally more open to talk budget. They don't feel like a negotiation is going to happen.
Conclusion
While these are the core questions we use, I'm sure the list will eventually grow. I don't think you should copy our list, or the order. You should ultimately create your own. Every agency or consultant has different requirements, and interviewing your prospect is as important as allowing them to interview you. But remember, you don't have to have all the business. Just the right kind of business. You will grow organically from your positive experiences. We all hear about "those other agencies" and how they consistently fail to meet client expectations. Next to "do great work," this is one powerful way to keep off that list.
Yeah ... but sometimes the people selecting clients (in sales) are not the people executing on any of the actual work (tech). Isn't that the bummer?
"How do you stand out?" becomes "how much are you looking to spend?"
And if this type of change happens enough, you're right, the best people will leave.
Haha. I can relate. Some days I don't think our sales people have any idea what it is we actually do as a company for our clients...
Some days they hit a home run with the pitch to the client and totally nail what we're going to do for the client's site.
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As to the divorce aspect... there's a few clients I've nearly quit because of, but they haven't quite run me off yet.
If there's one down side to the agency game, I would say for me, that's it.
I think that the perfect client does not exist. There are good clients and bad clients. A good client can pay the SEO services without problems. And a bad client doesn't pay or pays late.
My appliance guy is the perfect client! Actually understands a bit about how SEO works, lets me do my job & when I throw a new idea his way the question is always, "When do we start?"
But be careful Scott, because a first view the perfect client today would be the worst tomorrow. I mean, sometimes the client really doesn't know he wants until he knows :-)
LOL.
Personal friend's company & website. Also easier when you're the CMO. :)
Excellent post Bill!
Ha haa! I agree endphasysseo! There are "some" good clients out there but for the most part... not so much! The struggle is real. It is heavily based on clear communication and expectations. Which is not always easy with business owners since they usually get involved only when an invoice comes.
A thorough interview process between both the client and the SEO is critical to the success of the relationship. It has to be a mutually beneficial deal and open and ongoing communication is the key!
This is true. I think that only the client is a goog client when he watch good SEO results for his website. If he don't watch his website to up rankings, he'll doubt about our work.
Great post! I think most clients are buying into 'you' as opposed to your services (although obviously you provide the services they need!). If you build the trust upfront, and the client is a good fit for YOU, then you have a winning combination!
I think clients are buying into what will help them. It's a pretty personal experience. But if you prove that you are more than just words on paper, I think that goes a long way.
Very true Jason! Very true!
Good point about dating part. We can't know at once if relationship will be good on first "date" with client. Sometimes we can be surprised on a good way after some time, sometimes on bad way. Althought there is "love on first sight" in this matter, too. Rarely but can happen.
Interesting paradigm is that most of the time it's client contacts us and not we who choose them.
However, this is a great post!
Hi Bill,
This is my first on this site and really got inspire to read this informative post.
The main thing in the business is , client should be the honest and experienced.
Thanks for sharing........
Excellent post!! Wish it was published a few months ago before we hit a huge learning curve!!
To my mind to choose a prospect first I must keep in mind that all people are potential customers and always when I meet your expectations, meets their needs and they are satisfied with the product before purchasing (buying). While it is true a potential customer has a number of features many of these are obvious and some not, that is where the engineer Seller intervenes to achieve discover those features that are not visible and thus confirm that you are a potential customer and next is to follow the customer and make the sale.
But some people just dont follow it, what they need is money :D and nothing at all
I like your writing style, with humor and the Olson Twins/Chuck Woolery type examples. I totally agree with finding the right client and how to grow a relationship with them. It DOES take time, and rushing into things, like your marriage example, can lead to that proverbial Big D.
Sandy @ WorkadoApp
Thanks Sandy. Going through a "big D" myself, I think there was some personal learnings from that as well ;)
I really appreciate your way of exploring the delicacy of client /agency relationship. Yups I too strongly believe that Its a king of marriage relationship , which starts with dating . You have you to work on basic required ethics and manners to generate the trust and loyalty.
The main point is that business partnerships. Every big company has a partnership. Partnership's business is not bad if thous partner contributes very well and they spend his time business this is great for one company.
Yup. I think often we think because we're a service, we need to follow "the customer is always right." However I think our value as "those who have marched before" is to help the customer (client) be right more often.
Do you think long term contracts hurt or help the relationship?
That's a great question. In my experience they can be indifferent or dangerous. I've had a few that were not set to expire for months, but just wasn't going well. That was a long, painful few months. But that's not to say a long term contract is inherently bad. Some agencies need it to forecast their employees time and pay/budget.
We do month to month (after an initial 3 month term). For some that might suggest we're a fly-by-night type of company, but to us, it shows that we have skin in the game. We think that's important.
I have had mixed results as well. I have noticed that a contract tends to spell out expectations and the "why am I not ranked #1 in the first month" goes away.
I like that deeper questioning that you put into play with all 13 of those questions. Clients can sometimes throw different things at you down the road of being in a "marriage" with them and your questions do set some great expectations. Thanks for giving me some ideas for my own future questions!
My pleasure Justin. Glad you enjoyed.
Dating point was too good :)
Very interesting post, but i think that normally the perfect client is the client that select you :)
Really great today i inspired a few things for beginner level,,
I'm glad you liked it. Moz, and all the writers, have been awesome at being transparent and supportive for everyone in the industry. It's really a special thing. I was hoping to keep the tradition alive.
The perfect client it's an utopy because each people it's different and has his own interests. Good clients exists and we can to maintain them because are the pilars of your business benefits. We have to identify bads clients and send to trash. Great post!
Yes great written. The best clients are from the best sites/ services solved with our products
It's a nice article with useful guides for all those individuals who are running an online business, specially for those who are looking for the perfect client.
Client relationships never fail to surprise or excite/terrify me. I work at a medium agency with many clients - I'm your typical agency bigamist! I find that my company has to prove itself as a new partner in such different ways these days. They've suffered in crappy/neglectful SEO relationships in the past - will we hurt them like their last partner did? Trust can be brittle and slow moving to forge, but once you do it makes the job worthwhile :-).
Fantastic post!!!
A perfect client in today's SEO world is just an imagination! There is nothing such as a perfect client exist.
You are correct in that “on-boarding” a client is a lot of work. If you are involved in a business where you need to procure a client in order to remain profitable, then it behooves you build a long lasting relationship with that client. As you mentioned in the article, the cost in terms of time and money invested in developing a new relationship with a client obviates the idea of having a short relationship with a client. One statistic which is commonly quoted is the lack of parity between the cost of retaining an existing client and recruiting a new client. If you have seen the show “The Office' then you might have heard this lack of parity being referenced in a humorous interchange between the boss and an employee.
Love the idea of comparing client acquisition to online dating. You are right they are very similar in a lot of ways. What I like to focus on as far as matching clients is making sure that their expectations are inine with yours (again similater to dating). Also as you said not all client rrelationships work so it's best to figure out as early as possible if it isn't going to work out so that you can both move on.
"it's best to figure out as early as possible if it isn't going to work out so that you can both move on" - right! I think it seems obvious when you pull back, but getting caught up in the biz dev process, and cranking out the day to day work sometimes keeps you from pulling back the lens. My hope was the post gives some pause, so they can rethink how they're choosing clients. Thanks Oremo.
This is really wonderful and Thanks for sharing it with me.
Question #14: Do you like long walks to the bank?
Haha Great post Bill, thanks for letting us all into your world of client-company relations. I feel like the more questions you ask about a company the more you look like you are truly interested in working on a long-term plan. I include many of the questions you cited above as well as questions I pull from the SOSTAC Marketing System.
Thanks Daniel. I'm gad you enjoyed it.
Fantastic post!! Thank you!! :)
I'm the owner of a Freelance Business. Not getting clients much. How I contact with you? here is my site - https://expertfreelancer.net/
i used your thoughts in my practical work, hope to make breakthrough in the future
I truly appreciate the way you exploit the client relationship with an example of marriage. It looks very funny but the points you significantly used to explain your word in very easy scenario.
That was my hope! Funny but usable :)
Great post, Bill. Found myself nodding along but also a few times when I thought: "damn, I should be doing/asking that." Thank you :-)
#7 ("Who are your competitors?") is a great question. Yes, we can find out ourselves by seeing who else ranks for their desired keywords, but it's good to know who they consider them to be. One client once said someone who didn't even have a website (at the time) - still useful to know why they're considered a threat. I'm also reminded of someone recently who I asked this question to, who was a small business loan provider who wanted to go up against all the major UK banks offering the same service, and didn't see what the issue would be in competing against them a head term "business loans." If I hadn't have asked / he hadn't have mentioned, I might've assumed that he'd consider his competitors to be other companies his size - and I would've been sadly mistaken.
Awesome comment Steve. Thanks for sharing your experience.
It's surprising how few ideal clients there really are! At the end of the day, whilst it's great to have plenty of engagement before a deal - paying clients always win out as long as their requests aren't too crazy or unmanageable.
Great post.