SEO is a seller's market. The supply of people with SEO experience is currently no match for the demand for search engine marketing services, as anyone who has spent months searching for the right SEO candidate can tell you. Even in a big city with a booming tech scene (like Seattle, LA, New York, or Austin), experienced SEOs are thin on the ground. In a local market where the economy is less tech-driven (like, say, Oklahoma City, where I work), finding an experienced SEO (even one with just a year or two of experience) is like finding a unicorn.
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If you're looking for an in-house SEO or someone to run your whole program, you may have no choice but to hold out for a hero (and think about relocating someone). If you're an SEO trying to grow a team of digital marketers at an agency or to expand a large in-house team, sometimes your best bet is to hire someone with no digital marketing experience but a lot of potential and train them.
However, you can't plug just anyone into an SEO role, train them up right and have them be fantastic (or enjoy their job); there are definite skills, talents and personality traits that contribute to success in digital marketing.
Most advice on hiring SEOs is geared toward making sure they know their stuff and aren't spammers. That's not really applicable to hiring at the trainee level, though. So how can you tell whether someone is right for a job they've never done? At BigWing, we've had a lot of success hiring smart young people and turning them into digital marketers, and there are a few things we look for in a candidate.
Are they an aggressive, independent learner?
Successful SEOs spend a ton of time on continued learning—reading blogs, attending conferences and webinars, discussing and testing new techniques—and a lot of that learning happens outside of normal work hours. The right candidate should be someone who loves learning and has the ability to independently drive their ongoing education.
Ask job candidates about another situation where they've had to quickly pick up a new skill. What did they do to learn it? How did that go? If it's never come up for them, ask what they might do in that situation.
Interview prep is something I always look for in a candidate, since it shows they're actually interested in the job. Ask what they've done to prep for the interview. Did they take a look at your company website? Maybe do some Googling to find other informational resources on what digital marketing entails? What did they learn? Where did they learn it? How did they find it?
Give your candidates some homework before the interview. Have them read the Beginner's Guide to SEO, maybe Google's Search Engine Optimization Starter Guide, or the demo modules at Distilled U. How much of it did they retain? More importantly, what did they learn? Which brings us to:
Do they have a small understanding of what SEO is and why we do it?
I've seen a lot of people get excited about learning SEO, do OK for a year or two, and then crash and burn. The number one cause of SEO flame-out or burn-out, in my experience, is an inability to pivot from old tactics to new ones. This failure often stems from a fundamental lack of understanding of what SEO is (marketing, connecting websites that have stuff with people who want that stuff) and what it is not (any single SEO tactic).
It can be frustrating when the methods you originally learned on, or that used to work so well, dry up and blow away (I'm looking at you, siloing and PageRank sculpting). If you're focused on what tricks and tactics can get you ranking #1, instead of on how you're using digital techniques to market to and connect with potential customers, sooner or later the rug's going to get pulled out from under you.
Ask your candidates: what did they retain from their research? Are they totally focused on the search engine, or have they thought about how visits can turn into revenue? Do they seem more interested in being a hacker, or a marketer? Some people really fall in love with the idea that they could manipulate search engines to do what they want; I look for people who are more in love with the idea of using the Internet as a tool to connect businesses with their customers, since ultimately your SEO client is going to want revenue, not just rankings.
Another trait I look for in the interview process is empathy. Can they articulate why a business might want to invest in search? Ask them to imagine some fears or concerns a small business owner might have when starting up an Internet marketing program. This is especially important for agency work, where communicating success requires an understanding of your client's goals and concerns.
Can they write?
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Even if you're looking to grow someone into a technical SEO, not a content creator, SEO involves writing well. You're going to have to be able to create on-page elements that not only communicate topical relevance to search engines but also appeal to users.
This should go without saying, but in my experience definitely doesn't: their resume should be free of typos and grammatical errors. Not only is this an indicator of their ability to write while unsupervised, it's also an indicator of their attention to detail and how seriously they're taking the position.
Any kind of writing experience is a major plus for me when looking at a resume, but isn't necessarily a requirement. It's helpful to get some idea of what they're capable of, though. Ask for a writing sample, and better yet, look for a writing sample in the wild online. Have they blogged before? You'll almost certainly be exchanging emails with a candidate before an interview—pay attention to how they communicate via email. Is it hard to tell what they're talking about? Good writing isn't just about grammar; it's about communicating ideas.
I like to give candidates a scenario like "A client saw traffic to their website decline because of an error we failed to detect. We found and corrected the error, but their traffic numbers are still down for the month," and have them compose a pretend email to the client about what happened. This is a great way to test both their written communication skills and their empathy for the client. Are you going to have to proofread their client emails before they go out? That sounds tedious.
How are their critical thinking and data analysis skills?
A brand-new digital marketer probably won't have any experience with analytics tools like Google Analytics, and that's OK—you can teach them how to use those. What's harder to teach is an ability to think critically and to use data to make decisions.
Have your candidates ever been in a situation where they needed to use data to figure out what to do next? What about tell a story, back up a claim or change someone's mind? Recent college grads should all have recent experience with this, regardless of their major—critical thinking and data analysis are what college is all about. How comfortable are they in Microsoft Excel? They don't have to love it, but if they absolutely loathe it, SEO probably isn't for them. Would it make them miserable to spend most of a day in a spreadsheet (not every day, but fairly regularly)?
Are they a citizen of the web?
Even if they've never heard of SEO, a new employee is going to have an easier time learning it if they're already pretty net savvy. An active web presence also indicates a general interest in the the Internet, which is one indicator of whether they'll have long-term interest in digital marketing as a field. Do some recon: are they active on social media? Have they ever blogged? What comes up when you Google them?
Prior experience
Different applicants will have different backgrounds, and you'll have the best idea of what skills someone will need to bring to the table to fill the role you need. When I'm reading a resume, I take experience in any of these areas as a good sign:
- Marketing
- Advertising
- Public relations
- APIs (using them, creating apps with them, what have you)
- Web development or coding of any kind
- Web design
- Copywriting
Your mileage may vary
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Very few candidates are going to excel in all of the areas outlined above, and everyone you talk to is going to be stronger in some areas than others. Since digital marketing can include a wide variety of different tasks, keep in mind the things you'd actually like the person to do on the job; for example, written communication becomes somewhat less important in a non-client-facing role. At the very least, look for a smart, driven person who is excited about digital marketing as a career opportunity (not just as a next paycheck).
Hiring inexperienced people has its risks: the person you hire may not actually turn out to be any good at SEO. They may have more trouble learning it than you anticipated, and once they start doing it, they may decide that SEO just isn't what they want to do long-term.
On the other hand, hiring and training someone who's a great fit for your company culture and who is excited about learning often results in a better employee than hiring someone with experience who doesn't really mesh well with your team. Plus, teaching someone SEO is a great way to make sure they don't have any bad habits that could put your clients at risk. Best of all, you have the opportunity to unlock a whole career for someone and watch them grow into a world-class marketer—and that's a great feeling.
Great topic!
If you'll ask my company's recruiting manager, she'll tell you that SEO has been the toughest one for her. More than developers, designers, editors, or any other web related positions to fill.
Here's how things are for us here in Tel Aviv. Three weeks ago we hired a new Senior SEO, and it took us 4 quite intensive months, over 60 CVs (after HR’s filtering), and we only hired the 7th person we interviewed.
It seems that most SEOs are still stuck with old tactics, and finding someone who's a combination of everything we need today, is very hard to come by.
Hiring inexperienced people on the other hand for junior positions is something that I personally love. Why? Because just as you said, Ruth, we can shape them the way we want. And make sure they don't bring old, bad habits with them.
When we're looking for someone with no experience, the top 4 qualities that come to mind are:
And from there it’s up to our gut feeling, hopefully that we’ll choose someone who can potentially be passionate about Search.
With experienced SEOs the first question always is – What will be the first thing you’ll fix on our site? If that person didn’t check the site before the interview, he or she probably isn’t the person we’re looking for.
Hi Ruth - having spent a number of years as a headhunter and also recruited for my own businesses it is certainly a subject that requires more thought than just 'does he/she fit the job'. I think an important point that you made was the ROI/revenue that a client will receive from the campaign - also that the candidate can understand core theories rather than getting hung up on any one particular tactic. In this way you can make sure that from the very start they are concentrating on delivering for the client and taking into account their needs from the campaign.
Writing well is definitely a skill that is required, I personally prefer to look at the first paragraph of their cover letter. Have they caught your attention? If not, maybe they haven't done enough research or won't be able to accurately articulate key points to clients in the future. It is a difficult one, and constant learning/training is an absolute necessity in an industry that demands the ability to think on your feet and adapt!
Cheers Ruth!
Love the tip about the first paragraph of the cover letter, Simon! Clients tend to have short attention spans so being able to grab attention quickly is a plus.
Good to hear Ruth - it is especially important when considering grads or trainees because their CV's can often be very similar and as a result they need to be able to differentiate themselves.
Hi Ruth,
Here in india, the idea is preconceived in folks that SEO is all about ranking. Not only that, even client thinks SEO is all about achieving ranking on the page of google. You'll hardly find any agencies who work for increasing traffic or doubling ROI for any client. It is because the secrecy of the client who don't want to share revenue with agencies. So, we left with no option but to provide them *keyword ranking* services.
I've interviewed many freshers & experienced person. The former are net savvy but when I teach them the technical part they start to lose interest. It seems like their brain got stuck in something. The latter knows only few things, such as, writing title tag, description, sitemap, robots & in off-page, doing directory submission, classified submission etc. which makes me cringe sometimes. Also, they are not updated with the latest happening in SEO industry. Because reading bores them. Many still don't know the difference between the Panda & Penguin.
Once people start to learn the basics properly I think then only they'll go further & could do well in advanced.
I liked the example where you stated we can check the writing skill of the interviewer by giving him/her some situation. Will definitely try this.
Thanks.
Hi Shaikh,
You really shares a truthful experience but the decade change the SEO professionals can't stay more in the SEO industry without changing/updating with the time.
But in my opinion the a large number of peoples now regularly read the blogs/article and take part in Forums discussion in SEO industry.
Well SEO or any profession is all about your enthusiasm, you will read, research and network with professionals only when you think you have chosen what your inner person says is the ideal job for you.
Giving an assignment is the best way to hire the SEO resource, that's shows his research skills, writing skills and interest towards the subject.
I've been doing this recently, works a treat. It's amazing how many brilliant CVs are written by third parties and you learn the writing skill of the individual is actually less than desired...
Ruth,
I'm really glad you took the time to create a post like this! I haven't seen another post out there with this exact angle, but I really love it for a variety of reasons.
First off, this is very much how I got into the industry. The student or young professional you're helping companies outline here was me! I had never heard of the acronym "SEO" before, but did everything I could to learn about it for a job opening (using the materials you suggested above [and more])... the rest is history. :)
Another few things I'd add to your list of ideas to prepare somebody to be successful in SEO:
I'm interested to see what other people think and how they got into the industry. It's funny how so many of us just kinda "fell into" SEO rather than specifically worked our way here.
All the more important a blog post like this exists! Great job.
Thanks so much! I'm planning on putting together a second post that will talk more about training, but I definitely agree on having a dedicated person whose job it is to help train, answer questions, etc.
Oh, great! I look forward to seeing the training-related post. I'll probably have even more thoughts then.
This is a great post, Ruth. I have created a checklist for my recruitment team based on this article.
Wish you came to SearchLove Boston.
I found out that the ideal candidates should have the ability to lean quickly + a lot of common sense.
I'm a digital marketing professor and I just tweeted this reading to my students. They are all familiar with the Moz guides, have been certified in Google Analytics, HootSuite and Inbound Marketing, and blog about digital marketing. Let me know if you want to hire some excellent beginning digital marketers!
@DigiMark_WWU
Hi Mark,
BigWing is hiring! I don't suppose any of your students want to move to Oklahoma? :-)
I wish you guys hired WAH employees! I've got agoraphobia so I'm home bound and finding companies that hire SEO workers is hard! Even being an SEO freelancer is hard because companies rather save money hiring someone from another country with poor English than a Native English speaker like myself.
Recently we have been looking for seo in our agency, and living in a secondary city ( not Madrid or Barcelona) we had problems . Finally we have chosen to take a diamond gross and polish us.
that is a really good option, good lucky with your new SEO junior
Great read! Since we are a pretty young company we tried to train a trainee last year. He had some SEO experience and did run a own website with a decent Adsense income. We through he would be a great fit for our company. After a month we realized that it wasn’t his interest in SEO that didn’t work out, but the lack of writing skills and critical thinking. Besides that, I really recognize the “being a hacker” interest. Thanks for your experience, will put it to use in the future.
Thanks for this writing this post Ruth. A very useful reminder for those who work as SEOs and newbies on the block like myself.
I had a background in English Literature and teaching composition and was looking to transition into the business world. It ended up being a lot more difficult than anticipated, but I eventually got matched up with a company that was more than happy to teach me the basics of marketing, SEO, web design, etc. They were more than happy to answer my questions and give me enough space to learn things on my own. My inquisitive nature combined with supportive colleagues allowed me to become a dynamic asset to the company. Over time, my responsibilities expanded well beyond copywriting. I share my experience in order to encourage companies out there to look for certain qualities in candidates rather than specific professional experiences. You may find that you have a real gem instead of someone who looks good on paper.
Ruth, you bring up some valid points. A willingness to learn is fundamental to being an effective marketer/seo analyst. ESPECIALLY, since trends and needs are constantly changing, you need to find someone who can stay ahead of the learning curve and be flexible. One of the wonderful things about marketing (and sometimes frustrating) is that the industry is ever-changing and therefore there's always opportunities to grow, learn more, and evolve. The moment you adopt an "i know everything" attitude is the day you lose your competitive edge. Look forward to your follow-up post!!
Love this advice. One of my favorite hiring adages is "hire for attitude and train for skill." That sums up about half of what you've said in this post.
Hi Ruth,
I have just begun my journey learning about the cryptic world of SEO and loved reading your blog - so firstly thank you :) As I am not being 'trained' professionally, but guided by a friend who is working in SEO, and the vision of contracting my services to businesses (mum working from home office scenario), would you recommend I take it a step further and undertake some sort of actual SEO training? Any tips or advice from anyone would be greatly appreciated! I have marketing degree and my own small business and have a very passionate interest in this area.
Hi Silika,
I would definitely recommend completing some modules at Distilled U - it will give you some added experience and learning opportunities. If you can swing it, I'd also recommend attending a search marketing conference in your area; they're a great place to learn new stuff, and if you're planning on freelancing, conferences can be a great place to make connections with people who might need to contract out some SEO work. Good luck!
Hi Silika,
I guess everybody here once were in your shoes. In my case, for 8 years, I've been doing Managerial and Leadership roles and then 1 finger-flick (July 2014) got me so SEO-hooked that I just can't stop learning.
What sets you apart and what defines your future in SEO depends on you. Resources will be available for us but the actual leaning and application is measured and should be measured starting with thyself first. I still am in the process of learning.
Cheers!
Jac
Thanks for sharing this great piece of content!
Generally speaking, you’ll be able to tell right away if the candidate is going to be a good fit. It’s kind of like ‘love at first sight’ in that sense.
A good SEO should have a wide range of skills in all aspects of SEO, with at least one specific area of expertise. Prior experience is also obviously very important. That said, someone coming from a different background can also be a big asset, like a developer that wants to be SEO will likely have great technical SEO skills.
Great post, great insight!
I am not an SEO but I am fascinated by it and want to be one ( Currently working as marketing manager for B2B start- up)
I am looking for guidance from fellow Moz community members.
If anyone wants to take the chat offline ( don't want to spam) please write to me at my email id: [email protected]
Excellent post - We've always hired the same way. The last thing you want is to have to untrain someone who was taught SEO the wrong way, so finding someone who is a "citizen of the web" as you say (love it) is the right way to find a new potential SEO that you can teach why the things in their world work, as opposed to having to untrain the folks who think a blog comment is top shelf link building. *shudder*
Great post Ruth! Very helpful.
There's a couple of other attributes I think are very important, and they are:
The first is a sibling to empathy. If you don't actually like interacting with others, it's hard to listen, understand and be empathetic. It's hard to be helpful.
SEO is, in large part, about trust and likability. We ask hard questions of our clients. We ask them to share things they may not be comfortable sharing. Setting a positive example is the first step in building trust and likability. Being open and honest does that and is a big factor (in my opinion) to anyone's online and SEO success.
Great suggestions, although the honesty thing can be difficult to suss out in an interview!
Agree. One thing you could do is show them a draft post you've written, one you know needs improvement and has some obvious spelling and/or grammatical errors. Ask for feedback.
I was a homegrown digital marketer myself. I had a Liberal Arts degree, one year of college calc II, an html course, and was hungry to learn and work. I ended up self taught in excel, have had some great web dev mentors, and many great teachers along the way.
In my experience, I find that the homegrown employees are more engaged than hire-ons with previous experience. We're a small agency, so people have to be diverse. Sometimes it's easier to train that skill diversity than it is to hire already trained and focused individuals.
Thanks for the great post!
I think most of us are self-taught or learned on the job - SEO's a hard thing to try to learn in school (I also have a liberal arts degree, so it's not like they were teaching SEO in my school anyway). I guess the challenge for us now is to become those great mentors and teachers that we were lucky enough to have along the way!
I'm with you, Ruth. I graduated with a psychology degree in 1998 and went back for an IT degree in 2002. SEO wasn't yet on the radar at either school.
A good SEO is the one who knows that she will never know all there is to know about SEO.
(I guess I'm channeling Dr. Seuss, but you know what I mean.)
The test for a good SEO when his/her website in any type of Penalty and what strategy he/she follow to revoke the Penalty successfully. ON Page optimization , promotional activities are general and a little bit of experienced SEO person can easily do this job.
Same in UK, Matt. You just can't outsource anyone good, no matter how much you pay them. It's just best do it yourself and just hire quality writers and graphic designers to help you out with the content.
Doing it yourself only scales for so long before you need another person, though, which is why I like to keep a stream of resumes coming in.
Here in Australia we face this issue quite a lot. People come in with no experience or come in with tons of (old) experience. Either way requires training and lots of it. Having a great training program in place definitely helps no matter which candidate you hire.
We are currently trying to hire a dedicated outreach specialist - harder than it seems! Must have organisational skills, be a great writer, super self motivated and loves a good challenge. That's easy to find, right? (Not so much!)
Good post & lots to think about. Hopefully we can land the right candidate soon and, following this, train them up well if we hire the right person.
It's a very good info about hiring an seo. Thank You
Well written piece for the agencies and small business owners who are looking to hire someone for SEO. To select a right SEO candidate is difficult but yes, as discussed to train someone who is holding interest in same is more preferable and profitable.
Loved this post, Ruth. However, there is a very vibrant young community of SEOs. The sad truth is, most of us simply don't know we're SEOs yet. I am one of these individuals.
But, in my experience, it's almost the opposite is true about SEO. I've experienced that there simply are not many opportunities for young people to work full time in SEO. SEO is an incredibly valuable skill, and from my side, most employers are more than happy to pay 4x the salary of young person (looking to gain experience) for an expert. I hope one day to have this hypothesis disproved.
It definitely varies from market to market. When you need an expert, sometimes a trainee won't do (especially if you don't already have someone on staff who can train them). In markets where there's more tech talent, a company can be more picky. If any of the younger marketers you know who are interested in learning more about SEO want to move to Oklahoma City, tell them to give me a call!
Hi Ruth
Thanks for your post on SEO. I'm new to SEO, I started my blog in October 2014 and I have been using Yoast SEO plugin for WordPress. I've never worked in the industry before and sometimes I feel like I don't know what I'm doing. I would like to get into a SEO role at some point, but I need to learn more first of all. One thing that puzzles me is that, my blog started at 22,000,000 on the Alexa ranking, then went down to 26,000,000 and over the last 2 months has risen to 418,000. I don't know whether my SEO is working or is it my content, 500 to 1000 per post. I don't have many organic searches, mainly social media referrals, although I have read that for new domains it could take up to a year before my SEO kicks in???
Hi Graham,
I don't lend a lot of credence to Alexa ranking - the best indicator of whether your search marketing is working is whether you're getting search traffic that converts. I recommend Distilled U for a course in SEO, and for advice on search marketing I recommend heading over to the Moz Q&A forum. Good luck!
Hi Ruth, many thanks for this post.
It's really close to what we usually looked for when hiring junior SEOs. After several unsuccessful attempts to hire people for this role one by one, we got the process down to free 2-weeks courses for pre-interviewed candidates matching good writing skills, interest to SEO and technical background (running their own projects, minimal experience with website building/programming). Our SEOs gave them some training on both SEO basics theory and practice for 1.5-2 hours a day and checked their homework (yes, we did have homework for that course :-) ) We also had an internal testing/assessment system as a part of this course so that both we and candidates could track their progress - this helped a lot when making the final decision on 3 people we took on board in the end, all of them staying in the company for at least 1.5 years.
Do you have similar practice of hiring 2-3 people at once or do you prefer hiring people one by one? What would work better for a mid-sized agency from your experience?
Thanks again for the post.
Wow, that 2-week course sounds intense, but what a great learning opportunity for your candidates! We hire one at a time, for a 90-day traineeship period. For that period they are hourly employees rather than salaried, but working full-time. The trainees spend a lot of time in independent study and apprentice with more experienced members of the team on larger projects; toward the end of the traineeship they may start getting their own small clients. At the end of that 90 days we sit down with them and talk about what they've learned. Usually at that point we have a pretty good idea of what they can do and whether they'll be a good fit, so the real purpose of that meeting is to talk to them about what they like and don't like about the role, and whether they see internet marketing as a career they'd be interested in - i.e. "are you sure this is what you want to do?"
Ruth, thanks for sharing your experience, 90 days looks quite enough to figure out if there's a match between the role, the person and the agency. Will think this way over when hiring next time.
Reminiscing on my first job in an SEO role, I believe my employer tested me on each and every one of these points. Maybe I am made to do this digital marketing thing after all... ;)
This is a great post! Awesome!
Ruth, it's like you're talking to my former client into convincing him to consider me in an SEO-reporting role despite having no SEO background AT ALL!
It was July 2014, my first reporting task is to send in the dashboard snapshots of their clients using Moz! It's the first time I heard Moz (i thought it's Moths, maybe an accent diversity)! I think I pretty much spent at least 30 minutes figuring out the spelling of moz and the relevance of that in reporting, Haha! Well, the rest is recent history.
I now run SEO Strategies for small businesses and a subscriber of Moz. I'm not saying that I know everything. But what I can assure myself is, I will never stop learning.
Cheers!
Jac
This has been a very interesting thread to me. I've got a question that anybody is free to answer. But, I need to give you a brief into.
I'm fairly new to SEO professionally (about 5 months into a SEO job right now). But, I'm finding that I'm excelling in this career much more so than the other new hires. It's probably because of my love for all things internet. I'm a marketer at heart. I'm an excellent writer. I have been building Wordpress sites for years. I have decent skills in HTML, CSS, and code in Ruby. I have excellent skills in Photoshop and Illustrator. I have been running CPC campaigns for years. In summary, I just love websites and internet marketing.
Additionally, I am very analytical. I studied finance in school. I love spreadsheets and modeling and data. In fact, in my new job, after doing a little analysis on two of our top clients, I created a presentation that resulted in a 60% increase in billings from each client (I'm kinda proud about that).
BUT, I am still new to implementing the tactics, and putting my knowledge to good use. Or to put it another way, I've been lacking the "glue" that would bind all of my interests and skills into one marketable package to an SEO company. So, I literally started at the very bottom with my new job.
So, here's my question: What it the appropriate pay scale for somebody brand new to SEO? How about somebody with 1 year experience? 2 years experience? I realize that different cities will pay different, but at least tell me what YOUR city might pay.
Hi muchobrento,
When I'm negotiating salary I usually use PayScale to figure out what the combination of role, experience level, perks and location should mean in terms of salary expectations.
For someone with <1 year of SEO experience, I'd expect to be paying them an entry-level or close-to-entry-level salary for tech jobs in my market. After that it would really depend on what they can do. A lot of job descriptions ask for someone with, for example, 3 years of experience - but that doesn't mean they wouldn't hire someone with less experience than that if they felt that the person could do the job, so I often recommend that people go ahead and apply for jobs they feel they'd be qualified for even if they don't quite meet the years of experience requirement (the same goes for having a degree in a specific field, I know very few SEOs who actually have a degree in Marketing).
If you are going to apply for a job for which you have a relatively low level of experience, you'd better do a lot to demonstrate that you can do the job. That's why it's important to build your SEO portfolio. Keep track of the metrics and results you've been able to achieve on sites you've worked on, using numbers like % increase in organic traffic, conversions and sales. Consider building your own "side project" site, or taking on a friend's website for free or reduced cost, in order to have a site to test your stuff on and use as an example on job applications. Keep notes on what you did and what the results were. Showing that you know what to do and can get results is the best way to get a better job or negotiate a higher starting salary, even for an entry-level position.
Don't forget that in addition to paying you, a company that is hiring you in order to teach you SEO is also investing time and effort in helping you develop marketable skills. They will be taking that extra time and effort on their part into consideration when thinking about how much they can afford to pay you.
I like this post!
I don't know how many times I read questions like "I want to hire SEO but I don't really know how to choose one AND I actually don't have that much to invest".
Well, that's a big start :)
Great post. As my agency is growing, i have recently been thinking of taking someone on to help with workload and also to enable me to accommodate more clients.
I've been half tempted to try and set up some form of apprenticeship for it as it would be cheaper, or find someone just out of college/university with a Computing or Marketing background.
Good points. I disagree that it's difficult to find an SEO "expert". I know this because I'm spammed every day by persons from let's just say other countries. They all claim that they've visited your site and know why you're not ranking for keywords. This is all done without them having access to your webmaster account. So Yes, there are a lot of "individual" whom are "experts" in SEO. The trick is finding one who is truly qualified...that's the hard part! And, it's not just SEO experts that your site needs; it needs YOU just as much. Here, we're talking content again. Get your site started with super content in a subject area that you're an expert in and then find an SEO team, followed by a social media team, followed by a group knowledgeable in infographics, then, just as "easy" as that, you're all set!
Nice post and I Totally agree, the combination of motivation and ability to learn quickly is often very successfully !!
Hiring for training sounds more tedious job, but it is good for sure to have an inhouse SEO team. Your points beautifully explain hiring traits of new members in team.
Yes, thoroughly enjoyed this article. Thank you Ruth.
Thanks Ruth,
This is very informative post for SEO newbie. Here i am wanting to some questions from all of ones, i hope i get some responses from your site.
1. How much salary would be best for a newbie seo ?
I am asking that question because a web developer, a web designer and and seo newbie/ expert working equal no. of hours but peoples are not gives a much value for a seo newbie/ expert.
Have you looked in the Moz Q&A section? I'd be surprised if other people haven't already asked and answered this or similar questions about salary.
Salary is about more than number of hours worked, and one reason why web developers and designers tend to make high salaries is because finding a good web developer or web designer is even harder than finding a good SEO - employers have to offer competitive salaries to try to attract and keep their devs.
Excellent post Ruth and a great topic for discussion. I agree that it can be a challenge to find experienced consultants to add to your team - in most cases the really good ones start their own firms! With that being said, I've found success in hiring for personality and providing training for the technical skills. With training and a desire to learn most people can master SEO, but it is much more difficult to teach a person to work within a team, be creative, and have ambition.
Don't be afraid to ask questions before hiring an SEO expert. It's your website, and you deserve to know everything that will be done for it. Plus, asking questions can help you determine between a few experts that you are having a hard time choosing between. You may want to inquire more about pricing, ask exactly how your site will be promoted or ask if there are additional services like SMM, PPC, or reputation management available that you are looking for. This is also a good way of gauging the response time, which will probably be important to you once the expert is hired to optimize your website.
Good stuff Ruth. I’d have to agree strongly with the portion about content writing. I’ve been in the SEO field for longer than I care to admit and I've noticed that having a good content writer on staff is an absolute must. Whether or not that person has previously written anything for SEO is irrelevant in my opinion.
If a dog can hunt, it's a hunting dog.
I would add two more things to prior experience.
Management Accounts or Analysis of figures
Business Growth Planning
Those are definite pluses, but not something that I would expect most entry-level employees to already have. I learned that stuff on the job - I think most people who don't have a business degree did.
Great post! You would think in downtown Chicago finding great minds would be simple.... not so.
Unfortunately, I find their social media accounts sometimes work against them. If I see a ton of binge drinking or questionable activities posts/pic's - they probably aren't quite "nerdy" enough to enjoy the various challenges SEO presents across different CMS platforms / hosts / client categories. Not to mention... I don't want to see them dragging in all hungover when we have deadlines and clients to wow... that is not how I want my agency represented.
Like mentioned above by @Brady Callahan, having someone dedicated to watching over and mentoring the new SEO is key.
I have also found that the best hires have come packing a pen & paper and take notes. And they refer back to them. It can be frustrating to have to keep being asked the same question over and over again.
I think what you are describing as far as what potential employees do outside of the office in their personal time as a factor to keep in mind when hiring is definitely more of a personal preference than something that can really be seen as a blade to shave everyone under.
For me it's quite the opposite. I need people that can party hard and still get the job done. What they do in their own time is not a factor for me, as long as whatever it is they do does not affect their job.
I'm inclined to agree with Ruan, but agree it's a personal preference. I don't mind if potential employees have pics of themselves having a drink or two out and about - Leah has a good point that it speaks to their ability to manage their online presence, though, if they have too many public party photos.
Excellent post,
It complicated the issue of hiring someone to take you SEO and do it well. You have to be outstanding day by day all the necessary elements for your page to keep up.I have a friend who contract a company to take him on SEO and it was a disaster, because the company apart from SEO played many more things.He said a Freelance SEO was better, because you asegurabas that focused only on that, as I live it.
Thanks Ruth!
Straight to the point. Best article about recruiting I came across in a while!
The tip about asking them how they prepared the interview is brilliant. Thinking about it makes so much sense and help to solve these questions!
Hiring the right candidates and the lack of specialists is one of the biggest problem in the industry. As most of the agencies mainly sell services, so the "people" factor is crucial to succeed. A high number of wrong decisions may seriously impact on the business future no matter the scale of the agency.
I particularly agree on 2 qualities the candidate should have:
I liked your post. I live in Spain and that stuff you comment about hiring someone who has no idea about SEO and training him, sounds like science fiction to me. Here it's quite funny to see the companies requirements about anything IT related, not just SEO. You have to be literally, a god at almost everything. I'm currently learning on my own and i've learnt a lot last year, but i still have a long way ahead of me.
It may sound like science fiction, but we're having good results with it - I have two SEOs on my team right now who had no experience when we hired them and both are already seeing return on client campaigns.
Totally agree, the combination of "motivation" + "ability to learn quickly" is often very successfully :-)
Great post, Ruth! Hiring the right SEO candidate can be difficult no matter where you're located. Here in India, it is difficult to find SEO folks that are good at communicating and articulating thoughts to clients. In this scenario, hiring someone with no experience in SEO can have positive outcome for your agency but this can work only when the candidate is a quick learner. Not many SEO companies can afford to pay their trainees a decent pay check unless they're being productive enough.
Hi Ruth,
Thanks for sharing your experience. Here in Russia, we are still facing the problem of so called "old school SEO" - there are a lot of SEO "experts" who still wear black hat. In particular, one of the most common practices is buying backlinks. Yes, it may sound surprising, but in many ways Russian "SEO" is about buying backlinks. Some old school SEO experts just don't want to change. Luckily, the situation gets better from day to day.
That's why I and my colleagues think that it's much easier to hire newbies and teach them SEO - their heads are not overloaded with these old school black hats. Of course, it doesn't mean that we ignore and don't want to hire SEO experts with serious experience, but there is a big chance to face a black hat admirer when looking for an experienced person to hire.
Thanks again for your experience.
That's my experience, too - it's really hard to break black-hat SEOs of their habits, and most people using black hat tactics aren't good enough at them to make them work without getting caught.
This is a great post, some great points have been raised. I mean being a professional young SEO engineer my self i know how important it is to make sure you have a dedicated unit to work with and the right kind of people in your circle. Great article!
All of us are SEO once in life. Thanks for the article
I would have suggested doing it yourself but reading some comments before, I agree with Ruth: that's not scalable. So, I think the best way to do it is having a SEO expert in-house and try to get some enthusiastic people with no experience to train.
Nice post to put light on the SEO Hiring. Specially for those employers who have no much knowledge about SEO.
What I feel is writing is most important now for SEO, Content is KING, I agree with your Idea that a SEO person should know SEO writing but if he or she does not then a content writer must be in their team.
At BigWing we have a separate team of content marketers, but I still expect my on-site SEOs to be able to write marketing copy and to communicate well with clients over email.
Fantastic stuff Ruth...
I have seen the entire distillate of your experience as a SEO manager here!!!
I recommend this article for all who hire in house SEO for their business because you have slapped to all who are still dealing with fishy practice of SEO. They denigrate the whole industry by sending junk mails like I will give you 5000 US visitors just for $5. And when people visit their link, they have described their selves as SEO expert!!! This is a big hazel, I just want to stop all these anti organic experts!!
Even I receive one or two twitter followers daily saying me I will send 5K Instagram followers.
I also favor enthusiastic newcomers and digital geeks from other industry. Its perfectly fine to hire SEO from other industry if you can find talent in them.
Recently I have read a report published by Linkedin, it says "Around 12% members from other industries hired by Internet Industry"
A true post Ruth.To find a skilled SEO Executive is tough task. But We can ask some Analytic questions about SEO during their Interview time to judge their Problem solving & Dedicated attitude.
Great read! Thank you so much Ruth, for enlightening us on hiring ideas.
Hiring someone, especially for SEO, is really a challenging task. And SEO, as an ongoing process, will never be profitable for any businesses until they can hire a right person, with right attitude, talents, and skills. From an aggressive & independent learner to a good writer, a critical thinker, a data analyzer, a citizen of the web, and their relevant prior experiences, all qualities are the cruxes of hiring someone as a fresh SEO candidate. Only then, one can be trained and adapted for right SEO skills.
Well Writen Ruth Burr Reedy
I think before hiring someone, these initial question should have to come in mind and have to be clerified with the candidates. It is must important that candidate should have good grip over the data analysis and research. Additionally he/she should have to be self learner because SEO is changing every day and if they cant update themself by learning regularly, they cant work more.
Most of the people out there usually hire the wrong person for the SEO efforts as ther main aim is solely to rank higher within the search engine.
They do not understand the importance of conversion of their website and hire a person who promises only to increase their rank. These are the so called SEO experts who does the hit and run job.
Companies should emphasise more on hiring talented people who are good at SEO and also improve their business revenue. What's the point of hiring someone just to increase your SERPS?
I think we as SEOs also need to do a better job of educating our clients in the sales process. People want to increase their rank in the search engine because it's easy for them to understand - they google their favorite term, they see their website, and that feels good. It's up to us to teach clients about the real value of search marketing in terms of conversions, revenue, brand and connection with their audience.
Great post, thank you for your insights!