Google's head of web spam (a division of the engine's search quality division) recently posted a piece entitled, Why Google Won't Remove That Page You Don't Like. An excerpt:
Every few weeks or so, someone contacts me and says “Hey Matt, there’s page out on the web about me that I really don’t like. Is there any way to remove it from Google’s index?” People don’t usually say it like that. More likely, they say “There’s this person making crazy claims about me on the web, and the stuff they say is just off-the-wall. Can Google remove this crazy person’s page?”
In a standard follow-up email, two options for removal are offered:
The best actions for you from our perspective can be one of a couple options. Either contact whoever put up webpage B and convince them to modify or to take the page down. Or if the page is doing something against the law, get a court to agree with you and force webpage B to be removed or changed. We really don’t want to be taking sides in a he-said/she-said dispute, so that’s why we typically say “Get the page fixed, changed, or removed on the web and then Google will update our index with those changes the next time that we crawl that page.”
Unmentioned in the post is a third method - one that involves a lot of hard work, diligence and often, high expense, but it's usable and useful for businesses and individuals who run into this issue. In the SEO field, we call it "reputation management."
A reputation management campaign has three basic components:
- Identify which search queries (keywords) produce prominently listed, undesirable results (typically this is only the top 10 - aka Page 1)
- Create content on multiple sites with the intention of outranking the negative content (remember that, in general, Google will only list a maximum of two pages from a single domain on a given results page)
- Optimize those pages with content & links to achieve rankings higher than the negative content, thus "pushing it down" to the 2nd page of results (or further)
This is generally considered one of the toughest tasks in the SEO field. You're not only fighting for rankings on (up to) 10 different sites/pages or more, you're also competing against what many feel is a strong algorithmic component in Google's engine - QDD (Query Deserves Diversity). QDD is believed to impact the types of results Google prefers to show ranking in the top 10, and biases away from strict algorithmic "strength" (i.e., link juice, anchor text, optimization) and towards showing a variety of different pages (positive and negative sentiment analysis is suspected by some to be a component here, hence the potential impact on reputation management campaigns).
So, how do you do it? How can you create content to successfully outrank a negative result?
First off, you'll want to leverage as many positive "pre-existing" conditions as possible. These include:
- Exact Keyword Term/Phrase Domain Name Matches
By owning/optimizing a keyword-match domain name, you leverage the inherent boost these sites receive in Google's ranking algorithm. For example, if someone were writing mean things about the author F. Scott Fitzgerald and I were running the reputation management campaign, I'd certainly push for optimization/ranking of the domain fscottfitzgerald.com to be part of the strategy. This is valuable only to a point, though, as it appears (in campaigns we've worked on and talked to other about) that it's much harder to rank multiple sites of this ilk (for example, having fscottfitzgerald.net, fscottfitzgerald.info, etc). - Authority Domains
Using or creating content on high value, authoritative domains like Facebook, MySpace, LinkedIn, Twitter and other user-generated-content portals can be a very powerful strategy. You not only leverage the pre-existing strength of the domain for getting that content crawled and indexed, but can lean on the "authoritative domain" bias that Google shows in their rankings. Note - don't use Wikipedia for this, as they are more likely to find & report the negative pieces (if it's a prominent name/brand worthy of inclusion) or simply delete the article (if it isn't). - Pages Already Ranking Well for the Query
In most cases where reputation management is necessary, there are already pages ranking in the top 10-20 results that are positive or neutral in content and therefore potential targets for optimization. Although you may not control these pages or be able to optimize on-page factors, pointing links with optimized anchor text to them can nudge up their rankings and help you achieve your goal.
From these three basic tenets, you can form the basis for the list of tactics employed to start a reputation management campaign, but there are a number of other smart methodologies I like, including:
- Press releases that actually get picked up by major media and wire services
- Pay-per-post blogging that leverages the keywords in the title of the posts (not to be used for link acquisition, as this can get you penalized)
- Creating linkbait that leverages the keyword terms/phrases (this doesn't have to be on your site or even use the subject matter)
- Sponsoring charitable donations in "honor" of the brand/person's name that will get press attention
- Build multimedia content that can potentially get listed in vertical results (videos & news results are typically most effective)
Because reputation management campaigns are so tremendously challenging, you should be prepared for exorbitant costs. We've pitched contracts in excess of $100,000 for these types of services (obviously, not many takers), and know other firms regularly charge $50,000 and up. Even at those price points, the expenses can outweigh the work done. In a pay-for-performance contract from an industry colleague, they charged over $80,000 but ended up losing money on the deal as the time, effort and expenses added up to nearly $100,000.
I was asked recently what I'd do if I had unlimited budget for a reputation management contract. My answer - pay for a Hollywood film to be created titled with the keywords/name that needed the push. At times, the best attack is simply to go around the problem :-)
Some good additional resources include:
- 10 Ways to "Own Yourself Online" from Todd Malicoat
- 10 Strategies for Fixing Negative Google Results from Andy Beal
- Make it Look Natural from Joost De Valk
- Tips for Rep Management from Chris Bennet
- 8 Tactics for Rep Management the Easy Way from Jaan Kanellis
Sometimes, you can pursue one of the strategies Google recommends (or simply avoid trouble on the web), but if not, reputation management SEO is always an option.
Great post - then again, most of yours are Rand! ;-)
Sub-domains are a great tool as well. Look for subbing your own domains, but also look at where you can piggyback off of other sites, e.g. yourname.wetpaint.com or yourname.ning.com.
I tell all my clients we follow the 80/10/10 rule. 80% of our focus is on content we fully own. Only after that do we look at content that could potentially change: 10% on content we control, but could still someday vanish (ning.com for example) and finally 10% on content others could influence or we don't have control over (maybe pointing links to the blog of someone that shares the same name as you).
There's a regular workshop that shares a lot of this stuff, but the name of the guy that runs it escapes me. ;-)
What about pushing around pages that are irrelevant? Reputation management is one thing, but how do you 'cleanse' google of pages that have a long history but have long since been abandoned (and their creator unreachable). Even worse, the content is not relevant but the domain strength seems to prop it up.
Oh, an example? dead projects on sourceforge.net that were killed but not requested to be removed from sourceforge (and only the owner can choose to remove a project completely).
Time is a really tough SEO enemy.
To those who offer Reputation Management services for clients, do you ever struggle with ethical issues? Do you ever turn down any potential clients because you don't agree with what they want you to "cover up"?
I ask because I did a brief stint at a small SEO firm 3 years ago and one of my jobs was to knock down negative results for a certain client. The problem was that this client was an outright scammer. The top results were an authoritative newspaper article covering the fraudulent activities the company was doing in multiple states, a multi-page thread on a "scam" forum, and a Canadian government webpage detailing a successful conviction against a different company that the client previously owned. He must have changed company names 30 different times over his 20+ years in business and he wanted us to push down all the negative pages for the different company names. While it was a challenging project and I learned a lot by trial and error and we actually achieved pretty good results, I was never really proud of doing it because we were essentially helping out a scammer. It didn't help that the SEO company I worked for definitely did not have a problem taking money to do his dirty work. Needless to say, I ended up leaving that job after 5 months (for a variety of reasons, including not agreeing with the ethical decisions of taking on this specific project).
So, does anyone else have a similar experience?
Defnitely. We've turned down as many rep clients as we've taken. We're very clear about helping people defend their rep, not cover their misdeeds. Most of our rep campaigns are about targeting untruthfulness and protecting the client.
Early on in our process we do some due diligence and see if we are convinced of at least reasonable doubt.
They say (not that I really know who 'they' are) any publicity is good publicity - if the bad press has come from a genuine 'crazy' person, you could use their content as the inspiration of the linkbait campaign.
This not only helps boost your own exposure, helps fix some of the reputation management issues and gives your unique insights into the situation, it also somewhat discredits the source of the bad press and turns it into a reputation management issue for them.
Unfortunately, this doesn't work quite so well if you in fact are the crazy person and the bad press has more merit than any claims you can make against it.
P.S. The purpose of this comment is an attempt to improve my online reputation as I may (or may not) be the crazy person people create bad press about :)
Reputation Management through Obscurity ... reminds me of a really poor security methodology.
Great points Rand about the costs associated to this type of reputation management. Not only are the costs extremely high, but the outcomes are far from guaranteed and money/time would be better spent on producing more positive content than trying to get the negative content removed. I think all of us who have been around the Internet for a while realizes that no matter what you do, you will attract negative attention at some point. Fighting such negative content may just be a losing battle especially as your digital or real life persona grows since the amount of attention, both positive and negative, will increase as well.
Ignoring the negative content and producing other, more positive content or focusing on different projects may actually be a more worthwhile use of money/time. Just look at Arrington - I feel as if the more he fights the negative attention, the more he gets.
Great post Rand, I like how you've put into perpective how much it can cost you to consider reputation management.
If clients question the fee's, its somtimes in your interest to walk away as it can costs you more in time due to contractual obligations once you commence the project.
Like the resources you've provided.
Shahid
Thanks Shahid - was great to see/meet you in London, and great work on the Wordtracker front :-)
I agree that it can really pay to walk away sometimes; we do this not only for cases where the fee can't turn good ROI, but also for those clients who we feel may have moral/ethical issues. Jane wrote a good post on this topic a while back.
Really enjoyed this post Rand. Particularly the point of sending links to a neutral website in that 10-20 range to help them jump above the negative listing. Awesome.
Very good Post Rand.
The Google algorithm has changed on August 2010, and now its allowed to rank more then two pages from same domain on first google SERP. Only concentrate on your main company website, work on linkbait, build links,and you will have more then 2 resulsts from domain.com/
If we publish content on another page,for reputation managment, or any press release,and we like it from 2nd page of google serp to bring to the 1st SERP what is better to do? link to this press with keyword anchor-link to this press from our main domain,or from another sources to give juice to this press.
I work with your strategy,but at this point, dont know whats better is.
If someboody knows this,please give a reply.
Thanks
Great post Rand (: as always
I was wondering how successful the reputation management campaigns usually are. Would anyone feel comfortable sharing their success rate?
I know it will vary, but how long can it take to remove the negative pages from the first page of the SERPs… especially RipOff Report…
Google is garbage. The problem with rip off report is that the google algorithm is heavily skewed in its favor. I have had to build several hundred links to pr 4 pages to get them to outrank rip off report pages with no links and zero page rank. Imagine that.
How long did that take to work? I just ran into a similar problem with a client this week on ripoff report. They let someone post negative content, then call within an hour and tell you they will take it down for $2500.00. What a scam! I know some people say just pay it, but I don't want to give the crooks what they want. I want to beat them at their own game.
Congratulations and thanks for sharing this info to your entire visitor… Btw how did you get a clean site like this? Once again thanks a lot.
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Excellent post Rand! You sum up the basics of ORM very well for your audience. Here are few posts on RM we did at Fathom SEO that provide some additional strategies for your readers as well:
https://www.fathomseo.com/blog/index.php/category/reputation-management/
At my previous agency we only charged 4k for a job like this.. 50% upfront..50% when completed.. and yes the task wasnt completed during my time there..
Yes SEO is changing rapidly. Nowadays it is not just about links. In my opinion people are still struggling to understand what Google want from us.
Hi Rand,
I realize this was posted 6 years ago, but are there any updates on this topic? I am about to tackle a reputation management campaign for a large company and am a little intimidated by the task, so I would love all the help I can get!
Thanks for your posts. Moz has been a great help to me with all my SEO.
I'm (obviously) not Rand, but I know some of the tactics have changed or are not as effective as they were when this was originally written. One place to ask for some specific help would be our Q&A section at https://moz.com/community/q, available with a free trial of Pro.
Excellent and timely article that shows the reality of how PR, search and online reputation can be a constant race for first when it comes to getting the initial search results before any negative stuff creeps in.
Would it not be cheaper to pay a couple of crack heads $500 each to shake the offended down?
On a more serious side note, I think a lot of businesses are quick to try to remove bad information. I had one client where a franchised retail store was rocked with a scandal...online sales and traffic grew 40%.
Maybe a more affordable option would be to kindly email them and ask for a link back on the page they are trash talking?
Intersting but what about that:
If the other site, the page who say bad things about me and is top ranked in my search term, then I can: (I`m only figuring if that works, let me know If I`m wrong).
1. Find as many links from linkfarms to this page with other anchor text
2. find as many links from porn sites with any other anchor text.
3. Find as many links from bad neightbors as posible!!
Then google will rank this site in other phrase! or outrank at all this site!
I`m right?
;)
i was just thinking of this issue yesterday! i literally raised my arms in celebration when i read this today...it was like you were reading my mind. such a good post.
Or you can bribe content producer.
Recently I got offer I can't refuse from ISP to took down [ISP]sucks[freeblogs].
I'm very satisied with what I got :)
They didn't change services either(really sucks), but that's life...
If you're willing to the money for Reputation Management, the most cost effective way is to simply pay the person to take the content down.
If your targeted keywords are in a domain name that's blasting your reputation, then getting paid to take it down is probably their goal.
"Unmentioned in the post is a third method - one that involves a lot of hard work, diligence and often, high expense,..."
I primairly work with small business clients and the "high expense" is where most of them tend to decide it is not worth pursuing this option.
Rand, great "Hollywood Film" idea. Media, like Movies, TV and Music tend to sprout their own cult followings online that can dominate SERP's through the many sites & blogs that pop-up. I have a "Call Center" client and I noticed during the keyword research phase that there is a film titled "One Night at the Call Center". This has added a new dimention to the campaign for any "Night Time" keywords.
This is a very interesting post indeed and I have thought about services like this, in a proactive manner, in the past but made me start thinking again, when I was reading the original post.
I think this is a possible future service to offer for some SEO companies towards larger companies as the web becomes more of the primary media. A brand protection service where you can offer to keep content ready for a future disaster, but don’t publish it. A make ready service just in case. Could be typically useful for companies that offer public and critical services that are very sensitive of the public opinion, like an airliner.
That way the reputation manager content will not also be reactive but proactive and have a big chances of being the first content out there and that will make it harder for the negative, reputation lowering content to keep up.
Great article Rand and makes me think of future business for sure.
as the web becomes more of the primary media. -- What an appropriate observation!! TV, telephone 'n snail mail - all on their way out.
I've found imdb.com 's official sites function helpful while doing reputation management but you have to register and pay to use it. Obviously only helpful for people listed in imdb.
Some strong news sites allow comments on articles, they are authority sites that will help you 'fill out' search results. Likewise commenting on strong blogs works also. The point in both cases is to use the targeted keywords in the 'Username' or 'Your Name' field. Step 2 - link to the article or blog post with the targeted phrase.
The best plan is to fill out the results with content you control before you need to push negative results further down.
The easiest to quickly put in place are: imdb, Facebook, Myspace, Youtube, and a comment on a newspaper article or two.
thank you very much rand...i used some of the ways, u showed..and got surprisingly gr8 results for one of my client...although i didnt charge him for $50000-100000...firm is very satisfied with their SEO...thanx a ton.
Coming soon to cinemas everywhere "Tosser" starring Michael Randfish ...?
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Small question on this.
If i create some press release, and then i put backlinks to this press release, and if my company name its: "KEVIN" and now i like for kevin to bring 10 pages.
and now when i start building anchors for backlinks, what kind of anchor text, for example:
1. i need 10 good links to top-rank
2. can i pat on 10 good-links a backlinks with anchor "kevin" at all 10, or maybe for example:
a) 1st link, i configure backlinks on it with anchor: Kevin Boy
b) 2nd link, i configure backlinks on it with anchor: Kevin Trainer
its this best way on every link to build backlinks with different anchors included keyworfd, or on all 10 the backlinks with "Kevin"
thanks too much
If I am trying to rank well for the term "best online casino guide" then how do I know what the ranking for my website is for that particular term?
Thanks.
The mistake that dell made initially is live examle why reputation management is so important.
Google Won't Remove that Page You Don't Like,it's really a headachy problem.But I was thinking ,including what you have said above,whether a good XML sitemap can work out ?As we all know a XML sitemap is to tell the Search engine which page is important and valuable.Thanks