We all look at keyword rankings, but are they still a useful metric to report? In this week's Whiteboard Friday, Cyrus Shepard discusses how changes in search have made individual keyword rankings a shaky metric at best, and he presents 10 needle-moving numbers to measure and report instead.
For reference, here's a still of this week's whiteboard!
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The problem with keyword ranking reports
Howdy, Moz fans. Welcome to another edition of Whiteboard Friday. I'm Cyrus Shepard. Today we're going to be talking about the death of keyword ranking reports.
Now, we all do keyword ranking reports. We've been doing them for several years. I do them. I still do them today. But I'm talking to a lot of agencies, a lot of big time agencies. They're actually starting to turn the corner and stop delivering those keyword ranking reports to clients. There are a lot of reasons for that, and a lot of them have to do with recent changes with Google. But a lot go back to just the deficiencies that keyword ranking reports have always had.
So we've all got these emails in our inbox, every single one of us, that promise number one rankings for a number of really obscure keywords. That goes to the point that these keyword ranking reports may not be reflecting metrics that are important to either your SEO campaign or your business objectives.
The big problem is anytime you rank a keyword, you don't know if that keyword is sending you traffic. Back in the days, when we actually had keyword data in Google Analytics, you could see that the keywords you were tracking only comprised a small portion of the keywords that you were actually ranking in your keyword ranking report. You were actually missing out on 50% to 80% of that data. So no matter how good your keyword ranking report is, it's always going to be missing a lot of that essential traffic, and it completely misses the long tail, which is another problem, because generally when you do keyword ranking reports, you're generally choosing those high traffic or you're trying to choose those high traffic terms. Again, you're missing out on a huge portion of that traffic that's sending you those numbers.
Hummingbird, big changes this year in Google, where what you type in, the keyword that users type in may be actually sort of rewritten in certain ways by Google. We're seeing more and more instances of Google returning results that don't actually contain all of the keywords you type in. It will be pretty close. But if you're tracking this keyword and it's being sort of rewritten or triggering different results by Google, it makes it slightly less valuable to be reporting on every week.
Also, changes in SERPs. Google, if you look at Dr. Pete's recent post, the Mega SERP, you can see all these different SERP features that Google is introducing that sort of make positions irrelevant in the traditional keyword ranking. If you're ranking number one, that guaranteed like 18%,
19% of your traffic. But then if the SERP has a lot ads, it has a lot of photos in it, the ads on the side, a number one or two ranking might be less meaningful. Then, again, if you have something like an author photo, Google did a study, one of their own studies, showing how that can greatly impact click through, and a number four ranking, a number five, six, seven can have a higher click-through result than a number one ranking.
So, for this reason and a lot of other reasons, keyword ranking reports are just simply dying. Now, it's still important to track those keywords, but what we do with that information is changing. So I'm going to talk about some different things that we should be reporting to our clients, reporting to our bosses, and reporting to ourselves for better SEO results.
Keywords
1. Rank Indexes
The first thing, this idea was introduced to me first by A.J. Kohn. I'll link to his post in the transcription below. It's the idea of a keyword index. You can do this with lots of different tools. You can do it with Moz. You can do it with Advanced Web Ranking. You can do this with most good keyword ranking tools.
That is you can create keyword groups. So let's say these were my keywords here -- iPhone case, iPhone speaker. I would create a group of keywords, checking all the boxes, where I'm tracking just the words with iPhone in them. Then I can get a metric. I can pull them out into a spreadsheet and just get one number that shows me if I'm moving up and down for keywords that contain iPhone.
Now the huge advantages of this system is it gets the long tail, because I know if my keyword index is going up for iPhone, that those long-tail keywords that I'm not tracking are likely going up and down too. It's not going to be a one-to-one relationship. They're not all going to go up and down at the same time. But I know, in general, that I'm capturing a much broader sense of where my keywords are performing.
It also simplifies it, because instead of tracking 50 keywords, I'm just tracking 1 index. That's the number I'm reporting. My iPhone visibility in the SERPs is increasing or decreasing. Now, that's something that the client is going to care about.
Reach
2. Organic Traffic
3. Referral Traffic
4. Social Traffic
5. Total Traffic
A better metric to report to clients -- reach. Now a lot of us already report organic search traffic. We do it in our weekly reports, and that's traditionally been the SEO's realm. Organic search traffic, we report it. But this is really a lot more important than this. Something I'm going to encourage you to start doing, that something a lot SEOs are uncomfortable with, is also reporting a lot of other traffic, such as referral traffic, because if you think about it, if your content is earning links, if it's getting shares and mentions, that means it's going to be coming through those referral links and not through Google, Bing, or that organic traffic. Not that you have to take credit for all that referral traffic, but you certainly influence it. It's important to the client. It's important to the boss. So you should be reporting it.
The same with social traffic. Even if you have a social department in your company or business or there are other social people that are responsible for those metrics, you should be reporting it too because everybody contributes together. If you're doing your job as an SEO and your content becomes more popular, of course it's going to be shared more, and it's a synergistic relationship between all those departments working together. But it's definitely something you want to report, because, again, it's something that's important to the client, and it's something that you had a part in. In general, what everybody really cares about is that totality of traffic. If you can relate that to your efforts, then you're going to be much more highly rewarded, and you're going to have a better experience.
Endorsements
6. Classic Links
7. Mentions
8. Press
9. Social Endorsements
So after reach, endorsements, and endorsements is a broad word that we use for what Google is looking for. We say Google is looking for links, but that's not really true if you think about Penguin and the way they discount links. What they're really looking for is editorial endorsements, and this can take different ways of links, mentions, local citations, press mentions, social authority. If you can report these, it's sort of like you're reporting on your good marketing skills.
You can use a lot of different tools to do this. Every week we use Fresh Web Explorer. It's a paid tool here at MOZ. But there are different other tools that you can use, such as Mention.net. We actually rank all the new links that we've seen during that week through Fresh Web Explorer. You can do it through Open Site Explorer, any of your favorite link building tools
-- Majestic, Ahrefs.
The benefit of reporting endorsements is not only does your boss or client like it, but for you, it actually makes you a little better at your job because it creates an SEO feedback loop. When you see your new links and your new mentions coming in, through these various tools, that gives you an opportunity to either reach out to the people and form a relationship or leave a comment or find new link building opportunities, find new social authorities, and it strengthens the whole thing, and it actually improves you visibility overall.
KPIs
10. Business Objectives
Finally, the most important thing you can report are your KPIs, because this is what the boss, the client, and you care about the most, your business objectives. In Google Analytics, maybe it's your goals, your conversions, and your assisted conversions. We're often scared to report these, as SEOs, as inbound marketers, because we feel like we only had a small part to do with those metrics. There's an entire sales team, there's an entire website, there's a development team.
But these are the most important things. This is what we are trying to achieve, and we shouldn't be scared of reporting them. If you can show how your efforts resulted in achieving these KPIs, those are the SEOs, those are the inbound marketers that make more money and get raises. It's not about claiming all the credit. It's about sharing the credit and taking claim for your part in those actions and showing the client, showing your boss how you helped achieve those things.
So keep measuring those keywords, but let's say goodbye to those individual keyword reports. That's all everybody. Thank you very much.
Great, great WBF Cyrus,
Ref. Endorsements and a real case example for you.
Your currently asleep as I write this, it's 8.40am and I'm in Starbucks, Edinburgh, Scotland.
I've just received notice of a fantastic article written by the US federal agency the CDC, they are discussing a new project that they have developed about Diabetes monitoring at county level across the US. In this sound academic article they refer to our product as a tool of choice. Wow! Fantastic!
I mention this as it was 'Fresh Web Explorer' that reported it to me. So yes this is a great tool and it is telling me something that I was not aware of. The good thing here is that this is what senior management want to hear, it is simply GOLD to them. Customer advocacy of this nature does not come along so regularly and it's great to be able to announce such information to them.
So yes I completely agree, you should use tools to help you discover endorsements that you can share with management and not forgetting other staff as well. I've emailed the article out to the company, the responses I'm receiving are making up for a happy Friday in the office and I've not even started working yet.
Bummer my latte is cold!
Thanks again Cyrus, great piece this week
David
We've also made FWE as part of our basic weekly and monthly reporting. Other platforms that webmasters use include Google Alerts, Mention.net and Talkwalker, to name a few.
I'm probably biased, but what I like about FWE is the ability to use search operators to not only identify mentions, but flag new links as well, which makes it an ideal SEO tool.
Sure I like FWE as well as you can tell. I do like Mention.net though, however I tend to think of that product for monitoring social signals e.g. Twitter, blogs etc.
Quick question Cyrus, is it prudent to seek out and request a link on content that is flagged in FWE. The article I refer to is a government site, so one it is unlikely they will offer me a link. So would Google for instance value a brand mention on a .gov site to the same degree as say a actual link on a .com for instance? Just questioning the merits here of what further actions I could take to gain further advantage. At the moment we will just link our site to their article.
Anyway no problems if you don't come back on this as I know it is better to put this question into Q&A.
Best
David
In some situations, you may find it proper to persue a link. (It's doubtful Google will weight a mention lik you referenced in the seame way as a link) That said, outreach is a delicate art. I like to think of it as 'relationship building' over link building,
Great great WBF Cyrus!
Our clients need to realize that a keyword rankings are constantly changing, and that a certain ranking is meaningless if there is no further value for the user.
Everybody can rank for a long tail keyword, but it is crucial to remember that top rankings are worthless, it is the user that is valuable.
Need to convince your boss or client?
Take a look at this great infographic about average keyword position from AnchorWave: https://www.anchorwave.com/understanding-google-average-rankings/
could be part of an answer I asked for - that could be a good Info for some clients wich dont want to listen
Exactly! The visual argument is often much more likely to convince people how the mechanism works.
That is a helpful article, do you know if the average ranking is weighted correctly? If 200 people get a #1 result and 10 people get a #55 result would it be closer to #1 or closer to #20?
Hmm, that is a good question. I don't know if a page 1 result will carry more weight than rest of the pages. Most people doesn't travel further than page 1 anyway, and most visibility is proven by being on page 1.
Ok you know that, and may be everybody here knows that.
But one simple question: how can I make my clients, wich get these reports, these things understandable. They usually are asking: "how am I ranking in Google under iPhone" to stay at your topic. They dont have an ideawhat KPI is in many cases.
They will never learn that much about SEO - they only know what they are googling for, and they want to know when tey are on page one in top three.
They dont think about serps and pics or snippets in it. They just dont care. And thats the mass here.
In much cases they aren't even interested in there traffic, only in rankings about Keywords.
by the way great WBF (anyone an idea why edit isn't working in my chrome browser since more than 6month - it worked till march '13 i guess - any suggestions or tipps for me?)
A fair question. At the end of the day the client needs to understand how you return value on the money they spend.
In most cases, it's 2x what they think.
Thats right, they need to understand it. Most ranking analyses are wrong or not that great cause of the localasition of many keyword phrases. But it is really hard to explain that to the clients. And really some of them don't want to know anything about that just these 5 or 10 exact rankings.
I agree 150%, they need to know that - but its hard to explain them that they need to know it. I really tried today 3 times - one of them understand what I meant. Ok - better one than noone.
BTW - who is that thumbdown guy here? Nearly every post got one thumb down... funny
Cyrus, great WBF! Another metric that I've found useful is the number of brand searches and traffic (and not just mentions). Since my agency does a lot of PR work for clients, we've found it very important to report. If the number of (organic) brand searches and traffic for "Widget Company" increases by, say, 300% after a PR campaign, then that's a good metric (in addition to the related metric of mentions) -- both for the company and our agency.
Of course, this was very easy when we had specific, organic keyword data before [not provided]. Now, we cannot typically see that in Google Analytics. However, the number of search impressions and clicks for such keywords is in Google Webmaster Tools (though we all know that the accuracy of that data is in doubt). In our reports, we may include such brand data from GWT or Google Trends.
In sum, I'd include the number of branded searches/impressions/clicks in addition to the other metrics that you've rightfully included. For our reporting purposes, for example, we segment data and results by PR / SEO / Social Media work as appropriate using methods such as these.
Great tactic Samuel. Here at Moz, since we've lost most branded traffic data due to (not provided) we've started tracking it in other ways, primarily branded mentions through Fresh Web Explorer and also branded Twitter mentions.
In the past, the SEO team wouldn't track or get credit for non-keyword or non-linking endorsements, but this is exactly our end goal so it is something we should be talking about.
I've found ranking reports getting much less useful - especially because most of our content it localised, the results that are coming out in the ranking report don't measure up with the traffic/pageview reports anymore as various other personalising factors are implemented in the SERPs. I'd have to run 200+ reports just to get a feel for what's actually happening (in the UK locally) and even then other factors would have too big an influence for the results to be that credible. I focus my KPIs much more in the pageviews of the content rather than that rankings these days.
Why we Google adword tools? Any other search Engine Keyword Planner tools use to do.
I think you took the right approach here Cyrus. Instead of saying that "I don't do ranking reports and neither should you" you recognized that rankings are still part of the whole package and clients are still demanding them. I don't think they ever were the only KPI reported, and although I don't think they should go away completely, they should be presented in the right context and only as a fraction of the overall report.
Good ideas on adding in referrel traffic and explaining search and content's role in that, never considered it that way before.
Hey Cyrus,
The keyword grouping thing that you explained here is what we do in AdWords as it relates to the quality score component of ad campaigns. But I never though of implementing it in SEO. We applied content grouping in Google Analytics which gave a useful info on pages content getting better visits. But how do you think you can apply this for SEO? I liked the idea of reporting the reach in totality as well as endorsements. These are gradually becoming much important in SEO.
Great info Cyrus...i'm no SEO person by any means but as a small biz owner I love to project my reach to clients for sure. thanks
With the continuing change in landscape in Google's SERPs I'm definitely with you on this one, Cyrus. Looking at how SEO influences performance is something everyone should have been doing already though! :)
Cheers,
Josh
Sometimes blog posts are so timely, it feels like Christmas morning. Great post!
Over the past week, we've been doing a lot of digging to find the reporting system that will work best for our clients, and have really zoomed out to reevaluate KPIs like keywords. Unable to keep up with what I wanted to visualize on my computer, I even pulled out a whiteboard and did my best Moz impression to go over it with our group! I feel like there are three quantifiable variables that we can help influence, which include conversions, traffic, and rankings.
The value of our work will always be demonstrated as long as clients can see an increase in sales, leads, traffic, and other conversion metrics; while keywords are important, I think we're looking at leaving this a tertiary item on the reporting checklist (wrapping up with a subsection on social, engagement, shares, etc.)
In vetting a lot of reporting tools, I was really impressed with the improvements made at Raven. Their post about using Google Webmaster Tools to show Average position and related keywords really resonated with me, as it's straight from the source (Google), and actually depicts the amount of impressions made. With Hummingbird re-writing queries and putting more emphasis on things like location, personalization, and more, this actually seems like a great way to demonstrate the value of SEO. Showing these kinds of reports can help show that our work benefits more than the target keyword, and this is how much it's been seen across the web as the whole in the last reporting period.
Those reports in GWT are invaluable! I hope Google finds a way to surface the information better in Google analytics and help make the data more actionable for webmasters.
stopped paying attention to keyword ranking reports over 2 years ago.
Right?! For me, part of it came out of frustration for not ranking for the keywords I wanted (spent 3 years trying to rank #1 for "SEO Tools") but then realizing I was getting a ton of valuable traffic and conversions regardless. The long tail efforts really pay off.
I think you are making a mistake generalizing the statement like that. I many cases, especially if the search volume for that keyword is high, you are probably right. But there are other reasons to just track and follow important keywords and I don't understand why you have to stop doing one thing just because you do another.
Keyword rankings... Doesn't matter (imo) since 75%+ traffic comes from long-tail keyphrases. Good content will give You a boost. So I'm changing my seo plans into "traffic" not "pay-per-position" only. If client ask me to find best keyphrases for him, I use keyword planner and look at "monthly searches", not all he want (sometimes very easy and 0 traffic keyphrases). Also seo/sem is changing from high rankings into brand and traffic building.
What surprised me the most after publishing this post is how many SEOs still sell those "pay-per-position" services. Sigh....
They sell because customers want it. They want positions rather traffic, but I see it changes slowly.
Cyrus, you are right to sigh, it is amazing how many SEOs still run the model you reference, of paying per position.
However, as mentioned above me, apparently this approach is beaten into certain markets. I say this because I have had prospects request this model for measuring performance, during contract negotiations.
I guess it is just simply what they expected and seemed to think made the most sense from their previous experience working with or shopping for SEOs. The particular case that comes to my mind was for a local law firm, but in the largest city in Texas.
I guess with most brick and mortar local firms/businesses we should expect them to take a little longer to come around and understand the "complexities" of the current SEO landscape. To grasp that tracking traffic by keyword index/grouping and measuring brand mentions and referral traffic as well as social traffic is truly the best way to conjure up an SEO performance report.
You gotta paint the whole picture these days.
Great WBF, confirms some of our reporting methods that we switched to in the last 6 months or so. Thanks for sharing!
-Keller
Rat-Race still going on Cyrus, After your post client still wants the ranking report to track the improvement by SEO work.
It can be hard, especially with smaller clients, to convince them that pay-per-position ranking is not the best way to achieve long-term success.
I usually try and educate them to show that its not just about ranking and that other metrics can be setup in the mean time. Usually after the first month or two of reports and going through them with the client they start to see that ranking is not the be all and end all as you are showing improvements that actually relate to their ROI.
Like Keller has said though, it seems to be ingrained into some business owners perspective of the IM world - I know we all started with rank tracking for specific keywords
Great WBF Cyrus!! I agree that focusing on the reach is important and breaking it down by source (search, social, referral). The KPI's always play a vital role to any business.
Great post Cyrus. I think that moving forward, agencies and SEOs need to build a client relationship more like a business partner and develop strategies based on business KPIs and bottom line revenue rather than keyword rankings.
BTW, one small correction for you: the web address of Mention is mention.net and not mentions.net.
D'oh! Fixed, thanks Nate.
Good stuff, Cyrus.
I've been discussing with other marketers and telling clients about the usefulness of individual keyword rankings, especially after Google started pushing personalized results based on history, social connections and location.
For example, Google reports 10,000 searches a month for a keyword with national coverage (i.e . cheap flights) across Canada. If your keyword ranking proxies are based in Vancouver, it may report you at #1. That's great. But what if Vancouverites only generate 500 searches of the total, as opposed to 6,000 in Toronto, where you rank #15. You would be happy you rank #1, but you actually miss 6,000 searches in Toronto.
There are tool that report at city levels, but as far as I know, no ranking tool creates weighted average reports.
I think looking at these other metrics are better then looking at individual keywords. By following your advice, I think we will get a better sense of how a site is doing and it will also help to start looking at the long-tail keywords.
I am glad this is starting to happen. There have always been so many issues with relying on keyword rankings. Especially when personalization and localization came into the picture. Two people in the same office would get different results, let alone what a keyword ranking software would find with their servers that were in another state.
Thanks for the interesting study on keyword ranking i don't do seo for anyone but myself and any articles like this is always helpful to me.
Thank you Cyrus
True That Cyrus!
It the product or service is great, endorsements will flow.
Hi Cyrus,
Great WBF. Ranking reports in their most simplest form are indeed dying and clients need to be looking at KPI's outside of keywords (which is where I think a chunk of the problem lies at the moment, our client's education and understanding into how developed and evolved our industry has become over the last two years.)
One point I was keen to touch on was the theory of the 'rank index'. You mentioned tracking this on a keyword level, to me this harbours heavy reliance on the accuracy of a rank tracker system, which we know can never be one hundred percent correct due to localisation, personalisation etc. As AJ Kohn has stated, rank indexes contain between 100-200 keywords and in my opinion tracking these manually is simply out of the question. Would it be better to track the performance of this on a page level? By this I mean grouping all of the pages on our website that we would target iPhone related terms too (whether head terms or indeed the long-tail).
So in theory we would have a topic index rather than a rank index, and all of our created content assets (product pages, how-to guides, articles, video) would be tracked on traffic acquired to them via organic search. I know this is something you have discussed in the past and probably combines "Reach" and "Rank Indexes" data together.
Would be great to hear your thoughts on this.
Tom.
Sounds awesome! Wouldn't work for every website (and niether would keyword indexes, for that matter). For example, the New York Times bases it's business on new pages and new keywords everyday.
But for other businesses with more static content, I think it would work great.
Great post Cyrus.
I think this is a big reason that so many are saying "SEO is dead". SEO is not dead, the metrics have simply made a much-needed change. This is a great change for the online marketing community . The goal is still the same:
1. Get Traffic
2. Convert The Traffic
In reality, clients/companies don't honestly care about keyword rankings nearly as much as SEO's used to. They care about the bottom line. I really like how you talked about tying the results (keyword index, shares, etc.) back in with the company's KPI's. That is where the rubber meets the road and the client/company can really see where your efforts are contributing to the bottom line.
Great findings in this WBF, in fact dealing with analytics data became a daunting task since Google “not provided”. So, here are ingenious ways to track keywords. Furthermore my point is endorsements will play a crucial role by the future. Thanks Cyrus for this timely post
Regards
Cyrus, Great WBF!!!
The timing of me finding this was perfect for a client meeting. My client watched it with me and fully understood why I have been leaning more on analytics reporting than keyword ranking reports. Excellent, I owe you a beer for saving me the explanation time with this client! Ha!
Amazing Whiteboard Friday about keywords ranking future; this time I totally agree about Keyword Ranking over Google search result. Mostly agencies focus on One to two Phases keywords rather than Long tail keywords. If we focus on Long-tail keywords then we easily get ranking on different phases keywords whether it’s one or two phases.
Google has made various changes since many years and now search engine became personalized and this time no one give you guarantee about keyword ranking, if that keyword come up on Google and then you start getting tons of traffic and conversion. There are various factors involved in conversion, if your niche keywords on the top of Google.
There are lots of changes happen in Google's algorithm that hurts some agencies. Good to know that there are still other options that we could use to see the real score of our marketing campaign. Thanks for introducing and sharing your knowledge about Rank Indexes.
Hi Cyrus,
Wonderful presentation. I especially liked the idea of reporting on the keyword index - which accounts for the longer tail.
Like other said, some clients still seem to be fixated on rankings. And it is a challenge to get them away from it. I have been downplaying keyword rank as a metric for at least a year now; and educating clients on why it is an outdated metric and why it's important to report performance another way.
I almost always show overall organic reach and visibility in my analytical reports, especially if it is growing. I also use the search query function in WMT to show growth.
But let's face it, even if we get the rankings and the traffic, if visitors bounce and don't convert - are we really showing value? I try to drive that point home again and again to my clients - getting visitors is easy; making them do the action you wish them to take is much, much harder.
Challenges aside, SEO is still fun. I hope to do it (digital marketing) until I retire. :-)
Keyword index in analytics:
1. Search engine optimization- Queries- advanced filter- include query contains "keyword"
2. Choose "Average position" from dropdown menu
Awesome post Cyrus.
I saw an amazing excel template of monthly report created by Hubspot which will be helpful for mozers to start.
https://offers.hubspot.com/monthly-marketing-reporting-template
Well Said !! this should be recommended as Marketing Strategy for 2014. I am following same things for 2014 - Majorly after Hummingbird :).
I don't much care about keywords and traffic. But I do care about the keywords that are delivering conversions because that small percentage of converting keywords have a disproportional effect on revenue.
I'm happy if nobody else is bothered about them though.
Fantastic WBF Cyrus great stuff !!
How do you set up KW indexes/groupings in the various kw tools, such as Moz tools ?
All Best
Dan
Hi Dan.
Go to one of your campaigns > search > add and manage keywords > manage keywords > add labels to keywords. You can create labels and assign them to individual keywords.
This won't capture previously unidentified long-tail keywords. Perhaps someone else can chime in about how to do that.
Thanks Donna! This is exactly what I do, with a couple additional steps:
After your keywords are bucketed into labels, export the entire list into a spreadsheet. From there you can manipulate the data to see how groups of keywords moved up and down over time. I often like to look at the average movement of all my keywords in a particular group over time.
Also, I mentioned it in the video, but here's the link to an excellent method by AJ Kohn:
https://www.blindfiveyearold.com/new-ways-to-track-keyword-rank
Great stuff thanks Cyrus ! will look into that asap
Thats great Donna thanks for commenting, i have been using labels just hadnt thougt of doing so in this context :)
All Best
Dan
I love the message in this WBF, Cyrus. It's so easy for clients (and SEOs) to dwell on individual keyword rankings, rather than the full scope of inbound marketing. For some clients, keyword rankings are an obsession, but Quality traffic, increased brand visibility, and higher rates of lead generation are what really matter. I may just stop providing extensive keyword ranking reports myself now.
Hello Cyrus,
I am a big fan of your writing, and this a nice post about keyword ranking report. Our Client pay us only for increase keyword ranking, and on reporting time client measure only keyword ranking not our efforts.
Hi Ketan,
Yeah, I never really realized how big of problem this still was. If that's what the client is paying for, I guess you have to do what it takes to pay the bills. On the other hand, I've found that better clients tend to care a little less about these metrics. Hopefully things will move for you in this direction. Thanks for the comment.
Had a friend who owns a large Inbound Marketing firm tell me the same thing! The "bad" clients have a poor understanding of what we do and will reference random searches that they aren't ranking for instead of caring about increased conversions, traffic, time on site etc. It's very hard to find clients that are willing to take time to understand the basics of search/inbound marketing :/
The "good" clients (also happen to be the larger ones normally) understand the end goal and how what you do impacts their bottom line.
I've also noticed that trying to get clients to buy in to caring more about business KPI's vs things like rankings results in the client to think that you are full of S#%* and just don't know how to boost their rankings.
Ya RickyShockley, This is the main problems with Clients.
Great post. Couldn't agree more.
I also agree with @Samuel. I also segment my "visibility" reporting to include branded keywords and mentions. Google is really emphasizing brand - it's important to demonstrate that you're helping that grow.
I also include metrics around size - how much content is published on the web for this particular client. Google likes fresh and growing content. It's easy to forget where we started from or when we added new pages and posts.
Lastly, and to your point about reach, I like to report on visibility and engagement by geographic location. If a client has prospects and customers in the US, UK and Canada, I like to demonstrate how effective our collective efforts have been at attracting and satisfying those populations.
I have always hated ranking reports, I've never seen the true value of them but clients obsess over them.
I'm a business owner and all I care about is the sales conversion and where it came from so I can invest in that. I've been reporting on Reach, Endorsements and KPI for some time while having a grasp of which keywords are helping.
Great Video Shepard. One Important Question is How you will track conversions that are getting through the Phone calls ? I know We can track conversions by contact forms/sales...
thanks
Have you tried using a unique number ?
also i really recommend the following :
https://moz.com/blog/4-conversations-that-dont-involve-rank-reports-whiteboard-friday
There are whole industries set up around call tracking.
Also, a number of apps available for Google Analytics:
https://www.google.com/analytics/apps/results?category=Phone+Call+Tracking
Using Responsetap in the UK for call conversion tracking. Most companies seem to be getting more call conversions than forms - makes a massive difference.
Great WBF, Cyrus. I especially liked the Keyword Index concept, which I hadn't heard before. It seems like a good way to keep the old keyword ranking concept for clients or bosses stuck in that way of thinking, but also moving things along to tracking concepts, which Hummingbird and semantic search in general are headed.
We've been doing some topic modeling for some future tool releases at Moz. Frankly, it's darn hard. Whereas keywords are very specific, topics and concepts are broad. It seems you have to get down to the level of entity association, which Google is graphing with near super-computer processing power, in order to approach something useful. Hopefully as SEOs we can figure out ways to make progress in this area.
It's great to hear you (or anyone) say that. There are always cries of "SEO is dead" when in reality SEO has just become more complicated, and the rewards are there for those who are willing to play on a higher level. Great WBF!
Useful WBF at a time where lots of talk about SEO is dead and SEO's struggling to report rankings back to the client. This is surely the way forward. Most clients I've worked with have been very receptive of the report and understand the change within the industry and have started to shift their discussion from keyword to traffic and conversion. One client I'm working with has low search rankings; but their organic conversions have been rising each month which is what matters.
I feel ethically Google's spam team is moving in the right direction with keeping control on the quality of the content. I feel SEO's need to be more responsible and wisely invest the clients money to drive traffic and conversions. Keywords are still important so make sure you report on keywords wisely as keywords drive traffic from organic search since the beginning
I spend most of my time on content creation. All of that content is going onto informational websites with small stores. My metrics for that are....
1) ad revenue produced by each page of content
2) the number of retail sales that entered the site through content pages
To get retail sales from a visitor who lands on a content page we display house ads for retail items that are relevant to the content.
That data allows me to determine what kinds of content produce the best revenue from ads and what types of content drives retail sales. This is valuable for optimizing your overall content plan.... and also in setting priorities on which ads and which related content choices should be offered alongside specific articles to optimize the monetization of each content page.
Once you have some background data you can assign a value to the impressions of your house ads (retail profit / impression) and then compete them against adsense using the Doubleclick for Publishers Ad server. The server allows you to display/not display house ads to visitors from different countries / demographics and control the number of impressions of an ad shown to any visitor.... to optimize your ad and in-house sales for your incoming traffic.
Look for ways to use your KPI as actionable data to increase income.
Wonderful White Board Friday; I am totally agree with you that keywords ranking reporting is death. Google has made too many changes in last 2 years and now the whole search engine is personalized and we can’t guarantee that by ranking no. 1 we are getting a lot of traffic from search engine.
The best thing to report to client is Traffic Stats of different sources, and Goals or Conversion from those sources.
Thanks for the whiteboard Cyrus, I love the idea behind Endorsements and KPI's! It's refreshing to take a step back from your daily SEO efforts and see how others do things, especially when you learn something new.
Thanks a lot for you thoughts, Cyrus! I agree we shouldn't entirely throw out our keyword tracking reports just yet. Instead, we should really be focusing on key phrases and contextual language associated with what we're trying to rank for. Singular keywords definitely don't cut it anymore.
Thanks for sharing!
Great analysis Cyrus. I've also found ranking reports to be more and more inefective in displaying the results of an inbound marketing campaign. Traffic and conversion increases is what's most important.
Another great WFB!
Cyrus mentions setting up keyword group reporting (keyword indexing) in Moz Analytics in order to measure traffic for a group of related keywords.. but how do you do this? Have searched for help but can't find any!
Thanks in advance!
Lee.
Hi Lee. Great question. Right now, it is a very manual process. First you must group your keywords into label groups (simply by plying labels) then export to cvs. Then calculate average movement using whatever spreadsheet magic you please. See AJ Kohn's article linked to above for one such method.
Thanks Cyrus, makes sense! Am about to give it a try.. certain it will be worth the effort.
Am hoping Moz have plans to introduce this feature to the Analytics tool, would be a welcome addition.
Have a great weekend, Lee.
Sometimes I feel like here in Regina, Saskatchewan no one else is really doing anything fancy when it comes to website optimization. Keywords reports are still a thing of the future, something most people have no clue even exist. I still think they're amazing but using broad keyword themes is smart. Will try that in the future.
Cool beans.
Jeph
Hi Moz team,
very nice article. For better keyword ranking report my point of view we need to google webmaster tools keyword ranking report.keywords query number of impressions, number of clicks in particular period is good for taking keyword ranking report instead of google webmaster tools keyword usability report.
Cyrus,
Good post, thank you for sharing that perspective. Regardless of the difficulties generating keyword reports for clients I still find that many of them don't understand two fundamental principles about SEO and keywords:
Although it is our duty as SEOs or inbound marketing directors to educate our clients or bosses on the importance of (or un-importance) going after the right keywords, I still find that clients still like to know that "I rank for this keyword" or "I rank for that keyword." Regardless of their knowledge of if those words drive traffic or, more importantly, if those keywords actually convert, some clients/bosses just can't get past generic rankings. This is why your point of having the Keyword Index is especially important as it captures those generic keywords that so many clients/bosses get hung up on but also clearly identifies long tail and other leads stemming from generic and related keywords.
It's a win-win for the SEO and the clients!
Another factor I have been reporting on is 'Increase in Search Queries' via WMT tools. Because WMT will only show 90days of data I typically split in two or three (45day or 30day blocks). An increase in the number of Search Queries reveals an improvement in the health of a site...
As visibility increases, as does traffic.
great tip.
Very good post Cyrus!
From a local client standpoint, I still think a lot of them feel "comfortable" having the report showing where they rank. The difference I have noticed however, is that smaller local clients care about the reports, wheras enterprise clients only care about the result. Enenterpirse care more about the final result/numbers vs the individual placement.
SEO is not limited to ranking and organic traffic. It now revolves around social + referral + organic. These all support each other to get better rank.
Cyrus,
Amazing WBF Post!
Awesome WBF, Cyrus! Shame we couldn't get you out to speak this year - hopefully next year :)
This type of reporting totally aligns with the free excel template we gave away on the Moz blog last month (https://moz.com/blog/storytelling-through-data-a-new-inbound-marketing-seo-report-structure).
Specifically, the ability to look at the change in large keyword indices / keyword groups over time is particularly powerful. It's about education and handholding with clients - but as AJ Kohn indicated in his original post, most C-Suite executives are used to these kinds of metrics. Zoomed out averages of how the company is performing in various areas or spaces.
I do wonder how various inbound marketers are calculating Share of Voice reports as there's many ways to do it. But at the end of the day - you've got to choose a methodology and report on it to give a larger picture of your efforts. Telling a story with all of that data is perhaps the most valuable lesson we've learned.
I'm new to Moz, and the idea of reporting the keyword index speaks to a problem that I have with Moz and SEO tools in general. The problem being that they don't represent a comprehensive solution that can be simply implemented. specifically because they expect individual keyword reporting rather than being design at the index level from the go. And they expect you to research long tail keywords.
As an example. For a local business. You are selling cars. So you want to rank for cars and for your locality. So you are going to enter (your city) cars. (Your city) cars for sale. Etc... Rapidly eating up your moz keyword limit on a single campaign, because as you might be the only dealership for that brand within a given area you want to also know how you rank in each adjacent city and the county. So by the time you have all of the keywords and local variations entered in you have a single campaign flooded with keywords.
Which creates a management problem and an information overload problem. Not to mention the moz cost issue to acquire the data you need.
So back to indexing. It would be great if moz could add geo location as a option. Where you can enter the base keyword and/or phrase list, and the location of your business. And then moz could iterate through the localities and spit back map views of your seo. Showing your ranking on various geo located terms. So that local business could then easily see where they need to optimize to grow their business, while also tracking if they are reaching the national level.
I'm going to have to let my moz campaigns run a bit longer to see what other data comes up that I'm not aware of. One thing that I would like to see if it doesn't exist is the ability to manage keyword status. So that I can have a really long list of keywords but index and turn off ones that I don't want to track because there is no chance that I'm going to rank for them. Sure, I can create spreadsheets and remove keywords and create a process of my own to refine the list so that I only have a certain set on moz, but it would be way better to be able to use moz as my only tracking tool.
I would also like to see the indexing of keywords improved in the manager. The labels are nice but they always (or) and never (and). So I can't use them to drill to a specific tag combination.
As a new moz user I'm really working about the complexity of trying to track any optimize within a geographic radius with the keyword limitations. I few like I need enough keywords per every campaign to do that for each client and that the number of campaigns / keywords in each pricing tier doesn't support that. Possibly that just means that the campaign limit just needs to disappear because it implies that you are going to be able to services a given number of clients that it doesn't appear to support.
Then again, maybe I'm wrong, and google is crushing ranking outside of your specific town so there is no reason to try and optimize for adjacent locations because it just won't work. I guess I'll just have to test and see. One client I have has a five county service radius that they want to hit. That is a lot of cities and I'd love to tracking them all for all of their keywords. (and then be able to park keywords that I don't want track without deleting them from moz).
Is that enough complaining :).
Great post, Cyrus. I'm not going to run away from keyword ranking reports yet, as I know ranking for particular keywords meet my business objectives, but I'm definitely going to implement some more reporting now for my biz :)
Hey Cyrus,
If the keyword ranking report is dead then why not Moz, Hubspot and Marketo remove the keyword ranking section from their tools!!! what you think might be the reason behind this.?
Great work Cyrus I really like your ideas and this post and the video is great in providing the things we need to do in 2014 to get the best ranking in SERP and get the best traffic that is the desire of all the web page owners. I always learn something great from you so keep writing good stuff like you are already writing this best stuff for SEO.
It would be nice if SEOMOZ rated this whiteboard Fridays as being geared toward beginner SEOs or intermediate ... If I wasn't already reporting this information to my clients, I wouldn't be in business.
Hi Cyrus,
Sometimes we get so fixated on 'things' such as keywords that we forget what else is out there to measure and make opportunities with.
We do not offer keyword ranking report anymore because of some of the reason you mentions. However you mentioned some other ways to measure and compare SEO that I never even thought of. Your video gave some useful insight on where we can turn our SEO goals towards and be more reliable in the reportin we do. Thanks for sharing. This why I love Moz, you never stop learning something new.
Hi Cyrus,
Sometimes we get so fixated on 'things' such as keywords that we forget what else is out there to measure and make opportunities with.
We do not offer keyword ranking report anymore because of some of the reason you mentions. However you mentioned some other ways to measure and compare SEO that I never even thought of. Your video gave some useful insight on where we can turn our SEO goals towards and be more reliable in the reporting we do. Thanks for sharing. This is why I love Moz, you never stop learning something new.
Don't report from a place of fear. Report on metrics that tie to business objectives and take a wholistic approach to help the company no matter what the data says. It's the right thing to do and I firmly believe in the right (meaning, good places to work), it's rewarded no matter what the data is saying.
Thanks Cyrus for the thoughts an encouragement in thinking more completely with our reporting.
Great findings in this WBF, in fact dealing with analytics data became a daunting task since Google “not provided”. So, here are ingenious ways to track keywords. Furthermore my point is endorsements will play a crucial role by the future. Thanks Cyrus for this timely post
Nice post!
We still use Keyword reporting, especially to have a benchmark. We always advise our clients to use this data only to evaluate the trend - what we use as KPI is the average ranking of 100 keywords (a mix). We then match this with all the other KPI's mentioned in the video.
Very useful, thanks.
Simone
Hi Cyrus,
Thanks for your presentation. One of the key elements that I report on is 'Conversion rate" a measure of actions on the web site. Clearly, the ultimate conversion is a 'sale' and other actions are downloads, click-through etc. This seems to get missed on most presentations that I see when it comes to client report discussions.
Do you see value in conversion reporting?
George.
Absolutely! I mentioned it in the video, but it may not be entirely clear. Focusing on conversions first is one of the most important things you can do.
Hi Cyrus,
Thanks for sharing nice post. I got this point that you are saying that we must focus on revenue report with clients by showing that how much efforts we have done in other areas. Showing only keywords ranking has no meaning in coming days the reason you have already mentioned in your video.
Cyrus,
I agree with the overall message delivered by your WBF this week. However, I feel that individual rankings will always be apart of SEO. I know and deal with situations where a decrease in ranking of 5+ for a single term leads to a 300%+ decrease in organic revenue for the month. Because of these scenarios I do not think individual keyword ranking reports will ever die.
I could not agree with you more about including the other metrics you mention in your reporting, especially KPIs! Overall, you provided great insight into what a quality report looks like and this is a really good post. I guess I just have a difficult time digesting the "Death of keyword reporting."
Best Wishes,
-Nick
Hi Nick,
I can't disagree, as there will always be outliers. It's true that there are still "golden keywords" that exist that can deliver a ton of value if you happen to rank. That said, in aggregate, I think we can safely throw away 'most' individual keyword ranking reports.
Regardless, thanks for the comment and great to see you on the blog. Cheers!
Yeah Its true - Ranking is a major issue in SEO but - Technically Keywords Ranking and Traffic both are co-related to each other.
Its really good stuff Mr. Cyrus !
In Search Engine Optimization Industry - there are many myths related to Keywords / Ranking / Optimization process.
End of the story - Quality always wins - whatever its Quality work or Its reporting?
Happy to see the real part of SEO after a long time but there are any things which is important in New SEO.....After many Google updates.
The problem for me has been that the clients still want/demand ranking reports as they feel that's what they are paying for. How can we prove to clients that rankings no longer hold the same value and that more traditional metrics such as traffic are what we should focus on as SEOs?
I totally get it. It's tough when people pay you for something they don't need.
The typical work process for a client:
Client education is so important. If you deliver keyword rankings to clients, but you know they don't really mean anything, then I feel we have a responsibility to educate those clients as to what actually drives value.
I completely agree. Another thing I like to do is try to get a little more granular with metrics to try to get some insights that will make the client happy. For instance, in analytics I always go into the percentage of specifically new visitors that visited the site through organic search (which is typically high). So I can say an X amount of new visitors came to the site through organic search, or the amount of new visitors that came through organic search increased by X amount. Going along with that idea, sometimes I'll go to specific conversion points on the site and track how many of those came from organic search to look for some positive outcomes to show the client.
Saying that keyword ranking reports are "dead" is a bit hyperbolic. While GA doesn't give us much organic keyword data anymore, it doesn't mean that keyword ranking reports are dead.
Consider looking at PPC keyword term clickthrough, conversion and other KPI's (assuming you're using PPC as part of your overall marketing mix). Use that data and you'll have a much better understanding of what keywords you should be targeting for organic ranking.
After writing the post I wanted to change it to "The Demise" which is less hyperbolic than "Death", but the tweets were already out there. :)
Clients have to think out of the box, they say we are not upgraded, but they are not really... They want only rankings coz we are seo and we only work on rankings... We are getting paid to get rankings...
Top1 worth nothing if it doesn't make conversion or traffic... so look into GKP and select keywords with high search volume:)
Nice WBF!
I love the idea of keyword groups vs. tracking individual keywords. this matches where the engines are headed and makes it a lot more digestible for bosses and clients.
How, in MozPro, would one go about creating keyword groups instead of lists of individual keywords? With limited numbers of keywords to track based on membership, this might help to solve the problem of wanting data for concepts vs. thousands of individual keywords, which tells us where consumer interest and intent is trending.
Great suggestion. You can create a reasonable rank index with as few as 5 keywords, but I think it would help if here at Moz we made it easier to visualize your SERP visibility for a particular keyword group. Also, we're always hoping to up your keyword limit :)
Great whiteboard friday Cyrus! Love the dramatic title :)
The keyword index is a really useful tip. Everyone should be doing this.
Thanks again for the great video :)
Interesting post Cyrus.
I think keyword ranking report matters for long tail keyword now. Clients now-a-days are also focusing on their sales rather that just their keywords position in the SERP.
If you use Accuranker.com and connect it to Google Analytics and Webmaster Tools it then collects all the keywords that you can see, this cuts down the 50-80% gap that you talk about
Great suggestion there. I'll have to try it out.
Back in December 2012 the Google engage for agencies guys were talking about Adwords without keywords and actually advising agencies not to report on keywords and generally to report less and do more.
You can now rank a page or a site for local queries; e.g. "some consultant central London" where the word central or even consultant do not appear anywhere on the meta description or title of that page.
That makes keyword reporting more and more irrelevant as we move into 2014. IMHO
KPI plays a very important role in any case of SEO while sending the report to Client or to boss. This is mainly for us how we planned growth of the company. Frankly I am saying that I did not use to focus on this area. But now I got all the things about this. It makes a difference a lot for every business. Whole thing depend on ROI in the last for the clients, If our keyword ranking is ONE but not coming relevant leads then our work go in futile attempts. In my case Referral traffic is also doing wonder. I really do not depend only ranking and I am getting wonder full results.
Hi Cyrus,
Thanks for sharing such nice insight.
I have one question - the long tail converting keywords (3 words +) are hard to track through Google analytic (we use custom Google report as well )+ Google webmaster tools. (normally Google mention them as (not provided)). How to track those converting keywords? Any advice.
Thanks in advance.
Hi Cyrus, I have a poor eye sight and use glasses to read, please don't wear white colored shirt on a white colored background it is hard to distinguish between you and the whiteboard.
Thanks
I wore the wrong shirt that day, for sure! Trust me, never again :)
Thanks and it was a great video.
We've recently stopped providing ranking reports to clients for the reasons in your video. Probably unsurprisingly we had a few clients that just couldn't understand why we'd do such a thing as in their mind Ranking number 1 for their "main term" is the be all and all (despite us continually explaining and proving why that's a bad strategy).
They seem to have come round now but there are still lots of webmasters that need educating and whilst they are all getting 10 emails a day promising number 1 rankings from SEO firms, it's very hard to be one of the few that does it properly (and convincing a client).
On the other hand, most of our clients quite frankly never looked at ranking reports anyway!
Great WBF!
Let me say - I agree 100% and probably more that KW rankings are not (and haven't for some time) been an indicator of the success or failure of your business.
That being said, I think the main thing nearly everyone has pointed out is "clients care about keywords." It's good that, as an industry, we've started to grow past KW rankings - but our clients are years behind that. We can educate, put value elsewhere, and jump up & down about traffic, CRO & revenue but if you have that conversation all day and someone comes in and says "we'll get you to page 1 of Google" it's STILL going to be a battle for the foreseeable future.
It's kind of like computer sales in a way (bear with my metaphor.) We go in looking for "a computer" and the salesperson wants to tell us about the warranty and how the computer is not worth buying if we don't have the DVD burner and the gaming mouse, the antivirus software and of course, a good router to go online with. Are they right that those things will make life better as a new computer user? Yep. When you go in to buy the computer, you still feel a bit like they're selling you crap you don't need.
So you pitch a client on CRO, social endorsements, KPI, traffic and revenue ... which is right for the client. The guy who pitches them on "ranking 10 of your top keywords on page 1" is still going to get the job 90% of the time. (And maybe the other 10% are the best clients, so it doesn't matter ... but I don't know.)
@Cyrus-Shepard Great Stuffs
People always used to check their keyword ranking on Google, they do not know about social engagement, referral traffic, Organic traffic, Press etc.
You are outsourcing your business promotion to other companies, you should know what you have to expect from them. Only website ranking?
So, if you are getting such emails in which they are talking about ranking your keywords, then think many times to outsource your work. Find out many things, which you will learn from this article.
What you will like?
Ranking your keywords = Rank Indexes + Organic Traffic + Referral Traffic + Social Traffic + More Social Followers + More Reviews
Choice is yours!
By the way, good stuff like mirror which will show the real face of SEO.
Thanks Cyrus
Ravi kumar
Hi Cyrus,
I am a big fan of your post and loved all the post written by you. But this one frustrated me and little bit surprised. As SEO is all about ranking and get traffic through organic search. Clients pay only after seeing improvement in keywords ranking.
So, if we stop this than how we will show the progress report of any project. Even what will be the reason of existence of SEO firms?
I try to look at SEO as a broader term. You optimize towards the search engines, and keyword rankings are just a small part of that. The visibility in SERPS are much more than just rankings. Like Cyrus mentioned, most of the traffic is coming from long tail keyword phrases.
I am convinced that a keyword index is a better solution, and more valuable for the client, than making a ranking report over 50+ short tail keywords.
Hey Arpit,
I can appreciate how you feel. Running a business, I've consistently found very little correlation between how an individual keyword performs, and how my business performs. We still want traffic, we still want rankings, but since most of your traffic comes from longtail search that you probably aren't tracking, and individual keyword positions don't necessarily correlate with traffic, I'm trying to move on to better reporting.
Amazing post Cyrus.
Your post are always the best to look forward for. The concept of Rank Indexes is absolute brilliant.
Thanks for sharing!