Metrics are really only effective markers of business success if they're measuring your progress toward your organization's goals. How, though, do we make the leap from goals to reportable metrics? In today's Whiteboard Friday, Dana DiTomaso (a partner at Kick Point and a MozCon 2014 speaker!) walks us through that process.
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Video transcription
Hi, I'm Dana DiTomaso. I work at Kick Point, which is a digital marketing agency in Edmonton. I presented at MozCon 2014 this year, talking about reporting and how people love it so much and how you can make your reporting better.
One of the slides in my presentation that people had a lot of questions about afterwards was what you see behind me. This is not my handwriting. It's much better than my handwriting. Left-handers and whiteboards don't mix. One of the things that we wanted to talk in this slide was you can take a goal that the client gives you and drill it down to what you report on in the actual report. The reason why you do this is that you can report on basically everything. That's one of our super powers as a digital marketer. Because of that, it means that you're able to take what the client says are their business goals and turn it into things that you actually report on. Because you're able to do this for a client, they're much more likely to like you, keep paying their bills, keep you around, last company fired when all the contractor budgets get cut, those sorts of things.
We find that reporting to clients goals proves your value much more strongly than anything else you could possibly do, including delivering great results, to be honest. Clients appreciate honesty, and they appreciate it when you are able to say, "This is what we're doing to meet your goals. This is the work and here's how it all fits together." You'll have an easier time selling what it is that you do. The client's going to be happy, you're going to be happy, everybody's happy.
Let's start with how this works. The idea here is you take the client's goal. When we start with a client, we say to them, "What are your business goals for this year and next year? Give us all your goals." They often say, "Oh, no marketing company has ever asked for this before," which is kind of crazy. So start asking your clients for these goals. Again, that's already a competitive differentiator, and this is before the client has even signed on with us. This is in the proposal meeting. After you've done your research, you can come back to the client and say, "Here's how we're going to break down your goals into the strategy that we're going to execute on once you sign on the nice dotted line and give us a check."
I find that definitely doing that research part is an important part of our proposal process. It might be an important part of yours. What we really like to focus on is making that sure we understand all the pieces of how the client's project is going to fit together before we tell them how much it's going to be to execute on it. Because of that, not all clients are like, "Oh I have to pay you money, and then I have to pay you money again." They are kind of confused, but at the same time you have a way better grasp of what's going to happen. There are no nasty surprises like, "Oh, you paid a company to black hat link building for you. Well, that's great." Then you're going to have to revise your estimate, etc., etc., etc.
Doing this goal setting as a part of the research process, before you quote on the actual piece, is crucial. If a client doesn't agree to it, we actually don't work with them as a client. I know it means that you get less business, but at the same time you get way better business. Clients who are invested in this process are awesome clients.
Back to the goals, this is a real goal from one of our clients -- increase gross sales to $17.5 million in 2014. For this client, to set some context, they have recently cancelled all of their print. They weren't doing any radio or TV. It was just print advertising. They have gone strictly digital. What they're going to get leads in now is word-of-mouth, referral, being known in the industry, and digital marketing. Great, so now we have this goal.
The question is: How do we track that goal? What do we need to find out in order to make sure we're delivering on that goal? That gets broken down into KPIs, key performance indicators. That's gross sales, average sale size, and average time to close sale. That's the three things we need from the client. Because we communicate to this client at the very beginning, we can then set up a process to say, "Okay, so when it's report time at the end of the month, this is the kind of stuff that we need from you." The client is ready, able to deliver it right away. It's not a huge turnaround time on the reports.
The next thing is tactics. Of course, there are way more tactics than this. This is kind of a broad overview of the tactics that you think about. This includes things like link building or content marketing or outreach or anything like that. What we're looking at right now is: How are we going to deliver, and how are we going to deliver on our end? What is the stuff we're thinking about when we actually do stuff like content marketing?
So this helps to sharpen your focus to say, "All right, we're going to right a blog post about how our client is really awesome at environmental sustainability," for example. Then we know that we need to make sure that we're setting up lead tracking and lead scoring and that there's a nice call-to-action at the end of that content piece, because we need to make sure that it turns into leads, and blah, blah, blah.
A couple of tactics, use lead tracking to determine the percentage of lead sources per industry and their source. For this client, they want to sell more to specific industries, so we want to make sure that we're tracking that on the form. There is a drop-down on the form, but also people hate self-reporting. They're really bad at it. They often pick "other" or "I don't want to tell you" or they just don't fill out the form. If you can remove that and then try to get the industry in some other way, either through demographic information. For example, once you get your email address, you can look it up. If it's a client with a low volume of leads, that can be really effective or some other method, and then you can remove that from the form. That helps improve your close rate.
Lead scoring to identify high close rate, fast closing leads and their source. What we want to know is not just how many leads did you get, but what were the best leads. Which ones closed the fastest? Which ones gave you the most money? Let's get more of these. We want to find out their source so we can say, "Wow, that referral campaign we did was really amazing. Let's make sure we do more of that." That's the tactics.
Next is metrics. This is what are we going to pull out of Google Analytics or whatever reporting method you're using. For example, this could also be a social goal that's related strictly to social media, such as improving share of voice in your industry. In that case, you would look at different metrics like the share of voice. You would look at mentions. There's lots of different stuff that you can look at. For this case, we're looking at lead form fills and specifically the multi-attribution model. I want to take a minute to talk about that. I think that by default, of course, Google Analytics reports on the click before the last click attribution model. What we want to report on is all the different steps that went into that. Annie Cushing had a great quote about this, "Reporting on last click attribution in 2014 is like buying a football team and only paying the players who score." If you only report on last-attribution modeling, the problem is that you are shortchanging yourself. Often, for example, organic traffic is very high up the funnel. We want to make sure that we're getting credit for every touch point that the client makes before they fill out that form.
The first time you present multi-attribution modeling to a client, if you aren't doing it already, and if you're not doing it already, then start. I know it takes a little bit of work with customer reporting and stuff, but it's totally worth it. You usually have to sit down and explain to the client. I have used Annie's quote. It works really great to explain how this stuff works. Just sit down with them and show them and actually open up Google Analytics and take them through the model. Say, "Look at all these different paths. Isn't this crazy? Did you know somebody visited your website 78 times before they filled out form?"
They are often horrified, but also a little confused, as we all are about user behavior on the Internet. I find that it's important to show the client this so that they understand and they get a real appreciation of all the different pieces that come in together. There's very rarely a, "I clicked on your ad. I filled out a form." That's not necessarily a transaction that happens a lot, especially in the B2B space, which is where this client is.
Make sure that you're using multi-attribution in all your reporting, that you're explaining it, and that you're giving credit where credit is due, even if it isn't something that you particularly did. Let's say you're not responsible for email marketing. That's a client. Email marketing can be a really important channel, drives lots of leads. No, you didn't do it, but report on it. The client is going to appreciate that. Make sure you use the multi-attribution model.
In the report itself, now we know these are the metrics you're going to report on: number of leads; attribute leads to channels, this is really important; and attribute high value leads to channels. This is the golden thing that's going to be able to tell us what is really working well for this client and what we need to focus on in the future.
Then, of course, that rolls all the way back up to this goal again. By putting all the pieces together, you can become incredibly valuable to your clients. They appreciate honest, accurate reporting. They appreciate reporting that relates back to their business goals, so then when it comes time for your client's boss to ask questions about why they're paying all that money to the digital marketing agency, they can come back and say, "Look what they did to hit those goals." That should help you out with reporting. Thanks.
Hi Dana,
Super WBF! Just a quick question, when you present/report metrics from Google's multi-attribution model what kind of feedback do you get? Meaning do you find yourself having to dumb down the way you present such data or do you pull it out of GA as it is?
I have used multi-attribution data in the past to senior management but as excited as I get looking and analyzing the data that level of enthusiasm is not reciprocated.
It can be frustrating to the point of omitting it.
David
We don't "dumb it down" but we do explain the model and why it provides a more accurate representation of what's actually going on. Then when we present the data, usually by channel, we'll include the actual number of conversions and the rate so they have the two to compare. Also we'll highlight which channels are above average and below average.
This also takes some time when you first start working with the client to understand their sales funnel so that your model reflects their circumstance as accurately as possible.
Good point David. I've received the blank stare and caught the eye rolls before when presenting multi-attribution data analysis reports to management and business owners. But I also have some great clients that just get it and both of us end up benefiting from the reports.
I do understand the importance of delivering this information in Dana's presentation for sure. For me it just comes down to what our Senior Management want to see in our marketing reports. I'm open to trying it again to, maybe persistence will pay off who knows.
Really interesting Whiteboard Friday - Thanks Dana!
There's no doubt that there's so much that we can report on. We're all data freaks after all, right?
Probably the most frustrating thing for me, which you've covered in one of your first points, is that the client often doesn't know what they want!
Setting goals and ensuring you report on them correctly is incredibly important.
But what really strikes me in my work is that you'll need to be as agile as possible.
I've seen corporate goals change in an instant. We as digital marketers need to be ready to react to that.
Thanks for the whiteboard!
I can't even tell you the number of times a client has said to us "this is the first time a marketing company has asked about our business goals".
How do you measure the quality of a form lead? Do you make sure you can view the lead submission yourself or do you rely on the client to tell you?
Also what about phone calls? How do you track those? I've struggled with reporting on this because it's hard to tell a client you got 10 phone calls last month and he comes back and says, "..yea but 9 of them were salesmen trying to sell me seo" or "..yea but they were just looking for the lowest price or free services."
We rely on the client to get back to us with the quality of leads, but sometimes we can view it ourselves. It depends on how their CRM it set up and what kind of form software we're using. Of course, if there's phone calls then we just need feedback on the call quality.
We ask the client to report back on phone calls. The quality of reporting we get depends on how big the client is. If they have a dedicated person or phone centre with a CRM, then the quality is great. When it's a small business and lots of people could answer the phone, it's much less so. We do call tracking on PPC and some landing pages but have to be careful, of course, since we don't want the wrong phone number to be indexed by Google.
We also ask for data that relates back to the goals. So even if the client thinks that they're only getting spam calls, but their sales are up 20% (for example), then we must be doing something right. If they are getting a lot of phone calls that aren't good (like low price or free) then we change what we're doing to deliver better leads.
The most important thing is to treat it like a partnership - you and the client are partners on this road together and you need to mutually respect each other's talents. If the relationship isn't set up like that then eventually it'll fail, no matter how many amazing results you deliver.
Thanks. Yea tracking calls for smaller businesses is tough. Can you recommend a good CRM for this?
The businesses we've worked with have used a number of CRMs. I think as long as it's easy for them to use and they'll actually use it - that's all I care about. If it's got an API so we can hook it into Unbounce, even better.
Hi Marc. We've been really happy with CallRail. We record all calls so when a client says "Yeah but 90% were bs calls," we'll actually go through and listen to each call to verify. We're always amazed by how many calls go unanswered during business hours, how many times a receptionist will mishandle a lead, etc. Execs seem to really appreciate that type of feedback.
We use CallRail as well but you'll still need a CRM. Love CallRail!
CallFire is also great - a little more expensive them CallRail but with some extra features ...
Really simple explanation - thanks for a great Whiteboard Friday :)
Sometimes it's the most simple and effective things that add value to the client. Great video :)
I've never been so truly excited about what can be done on a reporting level. I saw your MozCon presentation and was blown away by how valuable you showed it can be to both sides when some effort is put forth. I'm looking forward to to seeing any and all content from you Dana!
Thanks Stefano!
Thanks Dana. This is a great Whiteboard Friday and will certainly help us to tweak the way we report to our clients! :)
Great model. I follow something very similar and look to improve upon it with a few of things you've mentioned above.
Gotta say, your about me bio is probably the best one I've seen so far. Got me to LOL (for real).
Ha, thanks! And it's all true, although I'm usually drinking beer when I'm yelling at the Ticats.
Great whiteboard Friday. Simple and to the point. It is certainly share worthy. I really have to say I am amazed by you saying that you will not work with a client that can not communicate to you what their goals are. I think that is a brilliant idea. A lot of times when engagements go south you look back and realize that the client is judging your performance against goals that were never communicated anywhere or that they just seemed to pull of the top of their heads. Making them communicate goals up front must save you a ton of headache. I think it is something I am going to start following even when working with larger corporate clients.
Excellent video, the leads have to become customers purchasing but hardly we can continue with our business.
Thanks a lot for the great post!
Loved this explanation - Broken down so well.
My biggest aha moment: tell them at the very beginning we're going to need those sales numbers from them on a monthly basis. Sounds so obvious in hindsight but we haven't been doing that and it's been a challenge to get regular reporting from the client in order to do our reports for them. Thanks, Dana!!
I have just started as a full-time marketing freelancer with a view to making it an agency and I have to say that this Whiteboard Friday is pure gold! Thanks!
Wow. Moz has played an essential role in my marketing evolution. I am an attorney and guess what they did not teach you in law school -marketing. And unless your dad's name is on the signage out front, you got to hustle to get clients and SEM allows small to mid-sized firms do this at bottom dollar. Similarly, metrics play an essential role in law practice management.
Let’s say your goal is to convert leads from digital marketing. We should all be past the phase of evaluating website performance by the amount of traffic generated. Blogging about the True Blood season finale will get you significant traffic, but it will not get you clients. The importance of organic search results cannot be underestimated. It is unparalleled in its ability to get consumers at a crucial point in their decision-making process. It is also important to have a clear and navigable website as searchers will evaluate a website in as little as 50 milliseconds. Human beings have limited ability to hold onto ideas in their short term memory –its called cognitive load and modern neuroscience posits that we can hold approximately four concepts at one time. Thus, the importance of catering your blog to SEO relevant content and keywords is a good goal for all law firms.
Thank you very much for the good WBF. Your presentations are always really substantiated.
But it would be helpful if you could improve your lighting. It looks a little bit fuzzy.
The support of a good CRM tool could help to convert goal Into reportable metrics. A little on this topic would not refuse :)
Hi Dana,
I absolutely loved your presentation at MozCon and a lot of what you said resonated with me...
As an agency we're at a dilemma though in terms of actually running SMART measurement frameworks and "negotiating" or understand what the client's objectives are. The WBF and the presentation you did at MozCon was focused mainly on search we you have an actual conversion - a form, a sale, or something you can track. Our client is FMCG based, and does not do any form or ecommerce tie ins. Everything is a bit wishy-washy with the measurements being soft metrics (uplift, time on site, visits, purchase intent) because there is no conversion. Also, we're running full IMCs here tied-in with TVCs, display, print, mobile, social etc.
I've been trying to pin the client down on what exactly is a visit worth to them, or what does 2 minutes of your consumer's attention mean to you? But the client is a little clueless as well. We're running a DMP now trying to attribution modelling back to our channels, and our research agency can do Market Mix modelling but again pricey to run it on every campaign.
For cases like these, where you have a big channel mix, and no actual conversion to track - do you have any advice how you'd prove your worth or tackle KPIs?
I think in those cases, it is a learning experience for both you and the client. Start with what you can track, even if it feels like it's not a "real" goal. That at least gives you a starting point for measuring, and then see how you can relate it to other metrics down the road. There are likely some metrics that will end up correlating strongly with success, but you won't know those until you try a bunch and then relate it to how the client measures success and failure.
This isn't unusual - many businesses don't really know what drives them, and sometimes this is part marketing and part business coaching. You'll get there.
Is that helpful?
Hi Dana,
Thanks for the reply!
I think so, we've had a 30 year relationship (3 for me) as an agency with the client, and we've been throwing metrics around a lot but I do think you're point on trying to tie those metrics into real success is right. It's just a monster to tackle and hopefully with our DMP in place we can tie in sales data (assuming the client shares)...Guess my best bet is to do TVGRPs analogies again since they LURVE TV.
Thanks again - appreciate it.
So good!
Hi Dana,
Say for example I have marketed to a client I am an SEO agency/guy/what not. They come on board with the sole "goal" increase rankings.
But their website converts pretty poorly and hence rankings increase but number of sales only increases slightly.
Would you say it was worth while to take some time out, it would be a lot of time (as its a big site) to go through and optimize the most important pages for lead generation and conversions, even though its not "in the contract as such"
The only reporting I do is from a rank tracking POV and hence haven't had access to analytics or sales reports, but can just tell conversions are going to be pretty low.
Would you recommend contacting them and upselling them a "increase conversions" service, or how would I go about speaking to them about this?
Realise that this is quite a long question......
Thanks
Tom.
If someone comes to us with the sole goal of increasing rankings, then we have to have a conversation first about what that means to their business. Rankings alone won't pay the bills but are a symptom of another disease. Either they're paying attention to important business data (like new business etc) or they're not. If they're not, then bringing you on won't actually fix anything and then it's your fault when the business begins to fail. Perhaps they've worked with consultants in the past who only talked about rankings and they think that's the language they have to use with you.
Either way, we start engagements with audits which identify issues like a low conversation rate, and then we use this data to figure out how we'll put together a plan that will result in hitting the client's goals. We have told clients before that we don't want to do anything to bring in more traffic before we can fix fundamental issues with their website.
And absolutely you need access to analytics and sales reports, even if you're "just" worrying about rankings. How else will you know if a keyword is a good fit for them and is bringing in the right kind of traffic?
Let me know if that helps.
Dana, absolutely fantastic WBF! I really took away a lot from it. I can't stand the smoke and mirrors style of Digital Marketing / SEO and reporting. It's no coincidence that you covered this topic - I recently started with a new client on Tuesday and for the first time in 4 years I'm starting off the relationship exactly how you outlined it. Then I couldn't believe it when you said environmental sustainability - I even had to grab my wife and explain my new client and then show your video when you said "environmental sustainability". My new client is a consultant for environmental sustainability and I've never worked in that niche before. Small world. But I'm glad I heard you outline everything the way I'm pretty much doing it and learned some more. I would love to pick your brain about sustainability.
By the way I visited your site and holy awesome branding batman! It's some of the best branding and example of online presentation I've ever seen. I'm very impressed to say the least! No bull-shit right!
My original career was to be in environmental sustainability, so it's a topic dear to my heart. And thanks for the compliments about our site!
That's cool. Funny how our plans end up getting diverted sometimes. My career path has gone from artist (graphic design, drawing, ceramics) to chef, to pharmaceutical sales rep to now a digital marketer / entrepreneur.
Great whiteboard tips Dana!
Extremely helpful, been doing this and I am obsessed with process(the world works when there is order). Finally I can see things laid out graphically like this. Thanks a million
Great video Dana. Well explained!
Love the quote about only paying the scoring players!
Multi-channel attribution is about the most important thing I've used over the last year or two. Watch this video
https://analyticsacademy.withgoogle.com/course03/u...
Attribution tags are based on segments, so by default it lists eight --- a big lesson for me was going more granular, so instead of just say SOCIAL, you can split it into twitter, FB et al. The default just uses RegEx.
WIth Facebook pushing Atlas and Google's upcoming changes, I'd love to see a post on cross devise attribution.
Yes, we split channels up when there's a lot of traffic, like social. Social is usually a big supporting player but rarely gets the credit! PPC is also a culprit - with many of our clients, it's top of funnel, so it gets less credit than is due.
Hi Dana, nice video!
I wanted to add, that clients most of the times need guidance on how to set the right goals and on what they can expect from each channel. Like you mentioned on your video, there are quite a few ways of bringing results (like email marketing) and the most important thing here (that we need to make them understand) is not what you do, but how you do it. It also depends on the niche, on what your competitors are doing, on the structure of your landing page, the quality of your visitors, the quality of your product and on so many other factors that need to be taken into account before setting measurable KPIs. Like you said: "By putting all the pieces together, you can become incredibly valuable to your clients."
Oh absolutely. I showed some examples of crappy goals in my MozCon 2014 presentation. Goals without a plan on how to get there are just dreams.
Amazing article Dana, I really appreciated the two outcomes that I saw this process creates.
1. Transparency - I have never had a client angry at me for giving them more information on how I am helping them. They always appreciate updates on where they are going and the ability to follow along is even better!
2. Better Clients - This is more of a selfish outcome, but it really is always easier to work with a client when you are on the same page. Your entire process seems to weed out clients that have over the top expectations.
Thanks so much for the ideas and can't wait until another post!
1 and 2 are both excellent points, thank you!
Great WBF Dana,
Your last comment sums up wonderfully why reporting our value is paramount to clients.
Another of the pieces we find crucial is to provide an end-of-report, single page "Executive Summary" that pulls everything together in a non-jargon format, that includes the most important 5 to 7 "takeaways".
This is especially useful for client contacts who pass them onto directors and/or management teams that are invariably strapped for time and need a quick glance.
If required, takeaways can also include achievements / activities that are relevant to specific client departments, for example:
When we first work with a new client, asking for departmental goals and objectives often results in speaking to other internal stakeholders too about their unique needs and increases our value to the client tenfold.
The overall key is to make the idea of not working with us "unthinkable". Plus if the client has previously had bad experiences of working with cowboys, our approach and reporting method is a breath of fresh air and can also result in client referrals and recommendations too.
In summary, viewing your reporting methodology as a vital extension to your ongoing sales and account management efforts. There's nothing better than delivering good news across multiple business functions!
PS Loved your MozCon 2014 presentation - more of the same please :)
Thanks Tony! I did discuss quite a lot of these points in the MozCon 2014 presentation. I find the one page for the higher ups (if that's how things are set up in your client relationship) enormously helpful. Or let your client know that you're happy to do a regular presentation of results to the higher ups.
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