For example, today I was searching for images of Jordin Sparks, an American Idol contestant. A Google image search returns "about 5,790 results," which seems like a lot, but a lot of these images are of the American Idol judges, former American Idol contestants, and even a kitty. Only 11 images out of 20 on the first page of results were actually of Jordin Sparks. In other words, these aren't terribly relevant search results.
A Yahoo! Image search returned about 30 results for "Jordin Sparks." Only 30 results? That's pretty disappointing, although these images were much more relevant than Google's. 18 images out of 20 on the first page were of her, though several out of the 18 were photos of her with a group of people, whereas I was looking for images of her by herself.
Now let's move onto MSN. A search for the American Idol contestant returned "about 1,299" results, which is smack dab in between Google and Yahoo's results. I am presented with row upon row of photos of the grinning teenager. Unlike Google or Yahoo!, these image results are fantastically relevant, with fewer group photos and kitty cats.
Okay, so I'm happy with how relevant MSN's image search results are. What about the interface? Does that beat out Google and Yahoo!? To that question I respond with a resounding "yes."
Here's what Google's image search results page looks like:
Now Yahoo!:
Both sites offer paginated results, displaying 20 results on each page. I found myself clicking through page after page (especially on Google) trying to find an image I wanted to use.
MSN, on the other hand, tries a different approach:
First of all, they don't paginate the results. If you want to see more images, scroll down to the bottom and they'll show you more. I like this because, in my opinion, it makes it easier and faster to scan through all of the images.
Secondly, at the top of the search results there is a little slide bar that allows you to adjust the zoom level on the image sizes--that way, you can choose whether you want to see more images per row (which will be smaller) or less (which will be larger). You can also sort the images by their size, so if you're looking for large images you don't have to waste your time hunting through all of the thumbnails to find the size you want.
My favorite feature is the Scratchpad, which is located on the right side of the results page. As you can see in the above screenshot, it allows you to drag the images you may want and store them in a collection. In the past I would end up downloading tons of images and then have to sift through them on my desktop and eliminate the ones I ultimately didn't want to use. The Scratchpad is an easy, fast way to bookmark any images you may be interested in using.
I also like MSN's interface when you click on an image. Google and Yahoo! both take you away from your search result and emphasize the page the image was originally found on (I didn't screenshot the actual content on each page, just the top of each result):
Google result
Yahoo! result
Conversely, when you click on one of MSN's image search results, you'll open up the original page where the image was found, but the image results are still displayed along the left-hand side. You can click on other results and consequentially change the page in the center.
Also, I love that MSN plainly and simply lists the page's URL and the image's URL at the top, thus making both URLs very easy and quick to find, unlike Google ("See full-size image" is four lines above the page's actual URL) and Yahoo! ("View Image" is also four lines above the page's URL).
I really wish Google and Yahoo! would take note of how successful and positive MSN's image search experience is. I am much more satisfied using MSN than the other two engines. (Ask, by the way, returned 14 results. Many of the images returned a Not Found error when I clicked through, and the images themselves were of poor quality.) I'm not sure how many people regularly perform image searches, but I nonetheless feel that the quality of the search experience doesn't need to be compromised, even if it's not a popular feature. MSN proves that by delivering solid search results and a positive experience.
Nice write up of MSN image search features, which are indeed cool and have been quite useful for me too. One note however is that all of the advantages of MSN image search get thrown out the window if you are using (gasp) dial-up.
The feature rich environment of image search becomes maddening when doing the 56k shuffle.
Dial-up? What's that? ;)
It's a Civil War thing.
Ken Burns is going to do a special about it tonight on PBS
Ahh the good old days
I'll forever miss the handshake squeel of an old-timey dial up connection.
Yes, MSN's image search is great, much better overview and functionality than the one from Google and Yahoo. Also the relevant results for the keyword(s) are better with the image search provided by MSN, well we could say it shows less junk. The huge difference on the search result number tells me that irelevant images are not shown, or it could mean that the indexing wasn't completed, yet. It's know that MSN's database isn't the biggest one, but it seems to be the cleanest ( this is my experience ). The results also depend on the keywords someone is searching for, but if someone does a search for a person, MSN hits the top.
I have to say that I still use Google's image search more than the one from MSN, and it's because of what feedthebot already mentioned . . . 56K connection. Yes, I'm on this old-fashioned slow and very expensive internet connection . . . actually it's DSL but the DSL doesn't stand for "digital subscriber line" . . . in my case it stands for "damn slow line".
MSN's image zoom function is great, but the same ability is good and bad at the same time for 56K users. The good thing is that if zoomed out the images will load faster, but at the same time, with these smaller thumbnails there is more space for them, which means more images will be load, this means more open connections which again slows things down.
Despite the little fact that this great feature isn't 56K friendly, the MSN search development team did a great job and I'm looking forward to see more features to come . . . but first of all I'm looking forward to get broadband.
Are you worried about any copyright issues with grabbing images and posting on your site?
Or is there some kind of "fair use" way to post them?
I need to start adding images to my blog posts and the normal Public Domain sources just don't have stuff that that I need.
I see a lot of big name blogs posting images that I know they don't have rights to... like Perez Hilton... um... not that I admit to ever reading that blog ;)
We're under the consensus of "put them up until we get a cease and desist, at which point we'll promptly and happily take them down."
Interesting, this is something i've thought about alot.
Do you monitor where you images come from? Ie avoid certain sites, perhaps large sites?
Anyway, congratulations to MSN / Live, its about time they did well at something!
Isn't it really supposed to work the other way? Shouldn't you be asking for permission to use the images and only then using them. Are you at least crediting the creator of the image? Linking the image back to their site?
Would this be something that falls under 'fair use'?
For some reason I have always gone straight to Google for my image searches.. its like some sort of automatic habit lol.. I can honestly say I dont think I ventured as far as MSN search for images.. dabbled momentarily in Yahoo (but never got friendly with it).. but MSN.. well never seemed so relevant in search terms so why would it produce for me some good images... how wrong was I? :P
Seems odd that they can get something like an image search spot on (from your search terms/article) and yet fall down somewhat on actual page searches and even worse.. start taking away function (link command) without seeming to explain why (when you run it.. Ive seen the blog post)...
Well done MSN for the image search... now, focus on the rest! :P
Google does seem to be struggling with their image search. Their most recent change was a flop and they reverted back to their old format.
I imaging they are working on something new though and hopefully it will resonate with the users. I definitely enjoy the traffic I get from image searches so I don't want them losing any traffic to their image search.
Don't be surprised if Google drops some killer new version of image search.
Like if they could base it off of the Picasa UI? God I love Picasa.
I am already using MSN image search from a very long time.
There image search result is absolutely fantatsic.
Results are much better and accurate then google and yahoo !!
Yes Google needs to learn form MSN or perhaps time for them to throw another deal so as to pourchase MSN. LOL :)
Hi, Great post and thanks! Like the previous commenters, I've been dissatisfied with Google Images but just hadn't gotten into the habit of a non-Google search. After reading this I will resolve to change.
One thing that could make the MSN images habit a LOT easier: for those of us who use the Firefox toolbar for most searches, it's very easy to add plugins for the pulldown that selects which search engine to search with. For example, you can easily add a Google Images or Yahoo! Images icon and then just select your chosen engine from the pulldown - a single click and very convenient. (see https://mycroft.mozdev.org/ for a searchable list)
Unfortunately, as far as I could tell there isn't a Firefox plugin for the MSN Image search. Can anyone correct me if I'm wrong? If not, then are there any Firefox extension geeks out there who would be willing to take a few minutes to build one? (or, any MSN folks who want to get with the program?).
Gradiva
Hey - I found it! you will need Firefox 2 to install the plugin; after which you'll have Live Search images available directly from the firefox toolbar. Then there's no more excuses for using Google Images:
Here's the link, hope it's not too long. If the link doesn't work, go to the top page and perform an ADVANCED search, then view plugins by category and choose "Images"
https://mycroft.mozdev.org/download.html?name=live+search+images&category=all&country=all&language=all&submitform=Search&sherlock=yes&opensearch=yes
MSN image traffic does give me a lot of traffic but the problem is because of the interface the visitors move from my website within seconds and in case of google they offer a frame where in the visitor converts more and gets me returning traffic.
MSN has better graphical interface and google has quick loading service.
This is my favorite site for searching images:
https://dearcomputer.nl/gir/
It takes you straight to the images in the size of your choice using Google Images search, skipping the preview and in context steps. This is especially great if you're looking for large images. Not 56K friendly.
I wander how will MSN compete with Google's Video search?
OK, that's the first time I've seen drivl, and I'm thinking that it is pure link bait. So, I have one question, with two parts. a) If it's not link bait then what is it? b) If it is link bait, how do you exploit it? Is the intent just to build juice for that domain, or does it somehow pass value to another site. Maybe three parts.
Please illuminate me.
I'd refer you back to the offical outting of Drivl from a couple of months ago.
Now that I've reread that post I remember it. I just never clicked through to Drivl before now. The results are impressive, and I can see the potential for future exploitation. Pretty cool.
Holy crap I just realized that our local small town crackpot has been writing the same kind of stuff on his terrible website for years, so I just took a peek at it and he has a PR of 4 with only 4 inlinks and a horrible disfunctional site. If the nutcase read SeoMoz it's scary what he could do. He could be the next Bill O'reilly. Maybe some things should be kept secret.
1) We took over the editing and maintaining of that site from someone else, so we didn't create it specifically for linkbait purposes.
2) Sometimes it's linkbait; sometimes it's a place to say what we can't, shouldn't or won't say here.
3) It pases on link juice and value to the gods of snark and satire. Other that than you'll remain in the dark.
Half illuminated? Basking in a warm glow?
And I was hoping that the snarky meaness on there was just a front, but now it appears maybe not. You seem like such pleasant young ladies on here.
Careful, Dave. You're singling out Rebecca and me, and using an old-fashioned, sexist put-down. Not cool. All of our male staff members have written for Drivl, too.
Sorry Jane, unfortunately I may actually be an old fashioned sexist, but in the best possible way. I can't help it if it is more shocking to me when that kind of humor comes from a pretty young woman than it is from a guy. Anyway, I imagine that's pretty much the desired effect. Yes?
It's okay if Drivl isn't your cup of tea. We're writing for a specific audience there, and here we're writing for another specific audience. If we had a client who wanted us to write for their family lifestyles blog, we'd adapt accordingly.
Clearly you are all very good at what you do, and your writing skills are outstanding even when the content is drivl. As a matter of fact, whatever you're getting paid, it's not enough. You should all get raises immediately.
Rand, are you listening? ;)
Nope. I can't read this post from China, sadly. :)
You mean you would change your American Idol contestant reviews for the family lifestyle blog? LOL
I found Drivl hilarious and was glad to see that you guys are not as uptight as most tech people are.
...and I'm glad someone else shares my view about Cyclists :)
I run a site where the majority of the traffic is from Google Images which makes sense for the site since it's selling medical illustrations.
What I've noticed is that Google has much more relevant image search results for scientific terms than Yahoo! or MSN. Try looking for images of 'astrocytoma' (a common type of brain tumor). Google and Yahoo! both have pretty relevant results, but MSN very quickly moves to images of people. Perhaps those people died of brain tumors, but Google and Yahoo! give you images of actual astrocytomas, not people who had them...
So I guess the results depend on the subject area...
Nice analysis and report Rebecca. I really like the Live.com tools including the image search feature. I first noticed the sleek new features while playing with Live.com Product Search ...
https://products.live.com
It's important to have relevancy and good imagery when sorting and searching for images (like you mentioned) and products, so it's nice others noticed too.
My favorite part is the Ask.com binocular effects on hover, sweet.
BTW, did you see the new tab on their search refinements for "news"?
Try "seo" "search engine" "seo blog" and "seomoz"
I think they need to apply a little of their image search algo to their news search feature, could be a lot more relevant IMO.
More stuff we can actually use! Thanks, I love it. I wish they'd had MSN when I was blogging professionally. Oh well, better late than never. :D
I have no idea why I default to Google for images when I known MSN does it so much better. You can get some *very strange* results on Google for some very benign searches.
Besides which, I guess Live has to win one of the battles!
One of many many battles to come
Yeah, me too.. its like I have Googlitis... Thanks for the great write up Rebecca. It's consolidated a vague opinion I had half formed. And I agree, the user experience as well as the usability is far superior to Google and Yahoo!. I wonder what's next in the image-search wars...!
Great post - MSN is on the ball with their image search.. Ahead of Google for sure, and Google has been refining their image search here and there... I'm sure they are not far behind.
Couldn't agree more - MSN has been kicking ass in that department for years. I still find myself using Google Image Search quite often - just b/c its always within such easy reach.
I know, me too! Why we use that as an excuse is also beyond me. Grr.
I agree with you--often I'll use Google first because I already search with Google, and all I have to do is perform a search in the little search bar in the upper righthand corner of my browser. With MSN, however, I have to open a separate tab, type in the URL, and then perform a search. It's usually worth the extra steps, though.
OMG are you serious? I'm in way too much of a rush to open a new tab and type in another URL, dude.
I always search Big G through the Firefox Toolbar, and I'm not about to change my default engine to MSN...that'd just be stupid. I may have to add MSN Images to my bookmark toolbar though.
Proof of why the engines are willing to fight over the real estate for that little search bar in the browser. You prefer Live's image search, but still you end up at Google.
Great point, vangogh. Clearly it's working!