I'm not so sure it's correct to say—as is so common lately—that today's SEO is a new one, especially with regard to on-site SEO.
Many of the things that are necessary today were also necessary in the past: a well-designed information architecture, a great navigation structure, good internal linking, etc.
We should talk instead of a new emphasis we must give to some factors as old as SEO itself.
Today I'll talk about one of these factors—Topical Hubs—that, although it has been important in the past, is even more so today with Hummingbird and the increasing weight Google gives to semantics and thematic consistency of the sites.
[Disclaimer about my accent in the video: I swear, my English is not so bad, even if it really sounds Italian; just the idea that I was in Seattle shooting a WBF stressed every cell in my body].
For reference, here's a still of this week's whiteboard!
Video Transcription
Hola, Moz fans. I'm Gianluca Fiorelli. Finally, you are going to see my face and not just my picture or avatar.
I'm here not to talk about how to snap faces, but about topical hubs.
What are topical hubs? We are going to discover it.
Why are we talking about topical hubs? We are going to talk about it because of Hummingbird. Hummingbird, we know that it's not a really well-known algorithm, but it has really changed how Google works.
One thing we know is that it is simplifying the results [SERPs].
One thing that is not working anymore, that was really, really a goldmine for SEO, was working on long, long tails. You can remember maybe many sites targeting millions of pages about every kind of long queries possible. This is not so anymore because Hummingbird has simplified [everything]. If query A, query B, and query C are the same when query D, Google will always show query D [SERPs].
In order to optimize your site for this kind of new semantic understanding that Google has of the queries - especially conversational query - we must understand that we have to think in entities and not in keywords. We have to think about the connection between the entities, and we have to be really sure about the context of the content that we are creating.
All these three things then will guide our keyword research.
How can we do this?
We should start our job not from keywords but from entities.
These are a few tools that we can use, like directly using the Freebase APIs, which is directly using a Google source (as Freebase is Google), or we can use the AlchemyAPI, which can make our job easier.
There are also other tools, like ConceptNet, Yahoo Glimmer, and Bottlenose. Bottlenose... I suggest it to you if you are going to create or craft a site about something which is really mainstream, but has concepts stemming especially from social. Bottlenose is really good because it's taking care also of entity recognition in social media.
There is RelFinder, which is a really nice tool for free. It is relying on the dBASE, the Wikipedia database.
From there, using these tools, we can understand, for instance, let's say we are talking about pizza because we are a pizzeria (I'm Italian).
Using these tools, we can understand what the concepts are related to pizza: What kind of pizza (thin, crunchy, regular pizza, with tomatoes, without tomatoes, Neapolitan or Romana, so many kinds), but also the history of pizza, because Pizza Margherita was named from an Italian queen.
We can discover also that pizza can be related to geography also because pizza is Italian, but the World Championship of Acrobatic Pizza (which is a sport) is Spanish.
We can understand many, many entities, many, many facts around the concept of pizza that can populate our site about pizzas.
Let's say that we are a pizzeria. We have a local site, and we are maybe in Tribeca. We shouldn't just focus ourselves on the entity search of "pizzas," but we should start also thinking about entity searches for entities related to Tribeca, so New York Movie Festival, Robert De Niro, etc.
Once we have all of these entities, we should start thinking about the ontology we want to use, that we can extract from these entities, how to group them and create our categories for the site.
The categories of a site substantially are our topical hubs.
Going to another kind of website, let's think of a classical real estate classified site.
We usually have in every classified site the homepage, then the category and product pages. People always say, "How can we make our category pages rank?"
Consider them to be topical hubs.
A good site for topical hubs could be a microsite. We have just to think of our site as if it was a composition of microsites all contextually connected.
So the category page in this case should be considered as a new site all about, for instance, Tribeca or all about Harlem, or Capitol Hill in Seattle, or any other neighborhood if we are talking about real estate.
From there, once we have decided our categories, we can start doing the keyword research, but using a trick, we must credit Dan Shure for the tip, which is to find keywords related to the entities.
Now Dan Shure is suggesting to us to do this: going to Keyword Planner and instead of putting a few keywords to retrieve new ones, use a Wikipedia page of the entity related to the content that we are going to optimize. Goggle will start suggesting us keyword groups, and those keyword groups are all related to a specific subset of the entity we are talking about.
So we can start optimizing our page, our content hub, with the keywords Google itself is extracting from the best SERPs of entities (Freebase or Wikipedia). In doing so, we are creating a page which is really well optimized on the keywords side, but also on the entity side, because all of those keywords we are using are keywords that Google relates to specific entities.
But that's not all, because when we talk about topical hubs, we have to talk, again, about the context, and the context is not just writing the classic, old SEO text. It's also giving value to the category page.
So if we have done a good audience analysis, maybe we can understand that in Capitol Hill, there is a certain demographic. So we can organize the content on the hub page focusing on that demographic, and we know that we will have our text talking about the neighborhood, but we also have our initial listings. Maybe we can see, for instance, if a neighborhood is really appreciated, or if the demographic is young families with two kids and so on. Maybe we can add values, like Zillow is doing: has school close to or in the neighborhood, or parks close to the neighborhood, or where to go to eat in the neighborhood, or landmarks in the neighborhood.
All of this content, which is adding value for the user, is also adding contextual value and semantic value for Google.
One tip. When you are optimizing a page, especially category pages, let's say you have the category page Capitol Hill, Seattle for your real estate site. Tag it with the Schema.org property sameAs, the Capitol Hill word, and link that sameAs to the Wikipedia page of Capitol Hill. If it doesn't exist, write yourself a web page about Capitol Hill. You are going to tell Google that your page is exactly about that entity.
So when we have all of these things, we can start thinking about the content we can create, which is contextually relevant both to our entity search (we did a keyword search related to the entities) and also to the audience analysis we did.
So, returning to my pizzeria, we know that we can start doing recipes and tag them with recipe micro data. We can do videos and mark that them with a video object. We can do short forms, and especially we can try to do the long forms and tag them with the article schema and trying to be included in the in-depth article box. We can start writing guides. We can start thinking about UGC and Q&A.
We can try especially to create things about the location where we are set, which in my pizzeria case was Tribeca, creating a news board to talk and discuss about the news of what's happening in Tribeca, what the people of Tribeca are doing, and if we are lucky, we can also think to do newsjacking, which we know is really strong.
For instance, do you remember the Oscar night when the guy with the pizza was entering on the stage? Well, maybe we could do something similar in Tribeca, because there's a movie festival there. So, maybe during the red carpet show our person goes to all of the celebrities and starts giving pizza to them, or at least a Coke?
So doing these things we are creating something which is really, really thought about in a semantic way, because we are really targeting our site to all of the entities related to our micro-topic. We have it optimized also on a keyword level, and we have it optimized on a semantic search level. We have created it crossing our search with the audience search.
We're creating content which is responding both to our audience and Google.
And doing so, we are not going to need to create millions of pages targeting long, long tails.
We just need really strong topical hubs that stem content, which will be able to respond properly to all the queries we were targeting before.
I hope you enjoyed this Whiteboard Friday.
And, again, I beg your pardon for my accent (luckily you have the transcript).
Hi Gianluca,
I really enjoyed you WBF. I was wondering if you ever tried the Google Plus hashtag search function to find contextual content ideas. I've been using it for a while to create content relationships in our websites. My guess is that G+ may be constantly learning about keyword relationships based on people's posts. What do you think?
Thanks Analia,
I think you are right, and how Google works out the hashtags in Google Plus is not something many people talk about or pay that much attention, but it could be interesting reading something more about it.
I consider that Google does a in-depth work into understanding the relationships between what the Google Plus post says (literally, "understanding" the words present in the post) and the associated concepts. But I would not discard the possibility that Google also weights all the historic of the posts published by the users, in order to find topics constantly discussed by him.
Hi Friend!
I, for one, am so thankful that our industry is getting the push it needs to create more meaningful content. It is certainly a challenge, but the Internet will be better for it. Thank you for putting in the time to help explain how we can get towards this new goal.
Hello Gianluca,
Thank you for the WBF on Hummingbird. I have had trouble understanding hummingbird. Your presentation was helpful.
About one year ago a Google search for "jade" returned mostly pages about green gemstones and oriental history in the top 20 positions. Today a Google search for "jade" returns a tremendous diversity of "jade" topics in the top 20 positions.
Do you think this has something to do with Hummingbird or has Google done something else to inject tremendous diversity into the SERPs?
Hi Egol,
for giving a better answer, I should know how the search had been performed: logged in or not? neutral geolocalized or not? So many are the layers Google uses for rewriting the SERPs because of private search, that we should always be aware that we don't see the same things.
But I'll try to answer.
I don't know if Hummingbird is the Responsible of the "Jade" Serps right now, but we could affirm it is amongst others things.
Look to the desanbiguation page about "Jade" in Wikipedia. Even if the stone is presented as the main "Jade" entity, we can count about 30 others entities listed.
If Google started thinking semantically and relying also on entity search (I'm summarizing here), then you can understand why Google - in a neutral search especially - is presenting a wide variety of "Jades". Only once Google started collecting data about your search session related to "Jade", it will start showing you more results about a specific Jade (gem jade, if you were clicking on that kind of snippets, jade the programming language if you clicked on those links, et al).
Be aware that Google always take into account your Search History, if you're logged in, so it will present you more Jade stone results if you have a strong "gem-related" search history, or the movie/series if you are used to search for that kind of information. Actually those two genres of Jades were the most prevaling in my personalized SERP (and I never search for jade before).
Thank you very much Gianluca!
When I am not logged in my search results do look like entries from the wikipedia disambiguation page. Great example.
It seems to me that Google has dropped authority as a ranking factor from many SERPs and has instead chosen to replace it with diversity or to present disambiguation pages.
For webmasters wanting to rank a webpage for a short-tail money term, the first page of google will now only include one or two websites in the organic top ten for that money term. So, the short tail is not as effective as it used to be and the long tail is not as effective as it used to be.... Perhaps understanding hummingbird will help in an attack on the chunky middle of the organic results? Otherwise the organic SERP SEOs will have to retire or become bidders in PPC.
(This is more a lament than a question. :-)
What can I say Gianluca, great first wbf. It's a little different hearing instead of reading what you have to say, though it's even stranger that you don't have the first comment on the page ;)
We've built a semantic engine here in our workplace, So a lot of what you've said relates to projects I'm currently working on in some form or another. I cannot disagree with anything you said, it's absolutely spot on. I also like to see link building from topically related websites to their corresponding category pages, to further develop these Symantec relationships.
PS: Hello from Dublin, I visited Italy last year, and almost visited Valencia this year. No, I'm not stalking :)
Nice to hear you Gianluca your English isn’t bad though ;) , I became the silent reader of moz quite long time ago but your WBF force me to share my thoughts thumbs up for it.
As far as topic is concerned if we clearly understand our target audience & invested some time to create digital persona we got endless topics & opportunities to write on. Connected topical microsites not only drive new visitors but also encourage returning visitors.
Topics which technically are not related but logically strongly related to each other, we only have to create bridge between them to get love both from users and Google.
This WBF can be go to point for every content marketer who want to brainstorm content ideas.
Thanks Asif (also for your ability in understanding me :)).
You are right in your comment. At the end, all this talk about topical hubs, semantically and topically related content and "micro-portals" inside the same site must be intended especially as a way of adding value to the user experience of the site, and not just as a way to improve its organic performance.
The ability of the marketers consists in architecting hubs that really add value, and not just filling the empty spaces, as once (and still today sometimes) is common with "SEO texts".
Right. Adding value should be our core focus. Creating content for the sake of content doesn’t work anymore. I want to add one thing which can be helpful to add value in topical hubs. Brian Dean documented a technique & named it as skyscraper technique. When it merged with topical hubs it became more lethal because core idea of skyscraper technique is to add value.
This blog post was so good. I learned many things from here
Great stuff!!! It reminds me of a post Rand did which spoke about towards connectivity (especially with local SEO). Beyond the actual content, do you recommend linking as well?
We have seen success across our accounts when we create a local landing page and properly link to relevant industry relationships.
For example, lets say we have a Plumber who does plumbing in [city]. If the Plumber also wants to do plumbing in a different city that he does not have a brick and mortar business in we will create a local landing page for that city. We then will link to potential suppliers, wholesalers, retailers, relevant locations, etc. anything to provide signals to Google that they are in that vertical. We have seen success, but there is much to be improved.
How could we improve this process based on your entity approach?
Wow! Thanks Gianluca! I learned several things here. I've been trying to build "topical hubs" within our content strategy for the last couple years, but this makes even more sense in the context of semantic search and hummingbird now. I appreciate your explanation of ontologies too-- new concepts for me (or rather, clearer understanding of concepts I kind of understood).
For the record, your accent is great and I understood what you were saying. Tell your cells to calm down now.
:)
Thumbs up on your 1st WBF, Gianluca!! Very cool and I'm sure you were a bit nervous, but it didn't come across in the video. Reason being, you know what you're talking about and then fall into getting comfortable with the topic as if you had an audience! Great job!
Being your first WBF, I think the comments speak for themselves. You provided some tactful tips for us all to implement. They aren't too complex or over our heads, so that makes it easy to not abandon in trying to implement. So, thank you for that and I hope Moz invites you to do more, whether from Seattle or Italy :)
Maybe Analia's question in the comment above relating to the Google+ # search would be your next WBF or even Moz Post. I'd be very interested in that, as you're right, it's not talked about much and elaboration on the topic could prove useful and beneficial to the community and then worked into client projects/campaigns.
Great job again! - Patrick
Thank you so much Gianluca! I loved your articles on semantic search and now you have this amazing video. It was very insightful and I'm excited to try out some of the tools you mentioned.
First of all, It's really good to see you in your first Whiteboard Friday (From your avatar. :D). The way Google is transforming from search engine to knowledge engine, It's necessary to apply Entities concept in SEO. If These will not happen then you can't expect result for the particular query and might be the case where you'll not be in their Knowledge Graph. So, This is must.
p.s: Congratulation Gianluca for your 1st Whiteboard Friday. :-)
@Gianluca - I'm extremely happy to see you here and Thank you for doing this WBF. Actually I'm willing to know behind the science of your profile pic. If nevermind.
It's an old story... I did it many years ago using an app my kids were playing with, simply because I had not any decent photo of me to use as avatar.
With the pass of time, thanks also that I started using it as my avatar in any social media profile, I saw how people were able to recognize me everythere because of my cartoon avatar (which, by the way, I think it's quite close to the reality), therefore I never changed it.
Great. Its realy interesting story @Gianluca. Btw, thank you :)
Hi Gianluca, First of all congratulation for your first WBF.
Microsite idea I think only possible for which website have too many categories or subjects. Google Planner is very good tool because there we able to decide categories, pages and keywords grouping.
I’m always trying to use Microdata for website because Search engines, web crawlers, and browsers can extract and process Microdata from a web page. Semantic search systems consider various points including context of search, location, intent, variation of words, synonyms, generalized and specialized queries, concept matching and natural language queries.
Microsite will most likely not improve your Quality Score. There are some factors that go into your Quality Score, one of them is the quality of your landing page (how relevant the content is, transparent it is, and the ease of navigation). This factor does not look at the entire website (which can be a common misconception on Quality Score), only the page you choose to land people on from their search query.
Thanks
Can you say more about what makes a landing page transparent and how it affects quality score?
I'm happy to give you answer and i think below Answer will help you...
For Improve Landing page quality we need to understand very well Business Objectives, Audience, Visitor Action (CTA), Technical limitations of your target audience, Creative brief and Take note of all campaign entry like as email, organic, PPC, social media etc…
Users Believe in “Trust & Security” and for that you need to care about phone number, Company Email, Remove barriers to valuable content, Brand consistency, verifiable facts, Endorsements, Terms and Conditions, Testimonials, Perform A/B Testing on Your Landing Page, Certification and brand logos on your landing page. One more thing is Optimizing your Landing Page Call to Action (CTA).
As my thinking if we follow above all points then automatically your landing page effect on SEO, Adword Campaign, User visitor, Website Reviews, Bounce Rate and many other things which are currently i'm not able to explain here.
For more Details about Landing Page: https://support.google.com/merchants/answer/2700318
Thanks
Thanks for the explication... but I don't think everything you said - albeit being useful - rhas nothing to do with all I've said.
When I talked about "microsites", I simply used them as "example", but not really said to build real microsites.
I was saying to consider - for instance - the "home page" of your categories (or sections) as hubs, somehow as they where portals about a specific topic, with information snippets that then are developed in separated pages, which are topically connected to those "home pages".
You did an academic mini-essay about landing pages for PPC, when I was talking of something completely different :-)
Brilliant way of dusting off an old SEO tactic and showing why we need to change. This was probably the most informative post I've read on Moz since I've joined. Great samples and examples!
Ah! Thanks... but I suggest you to dig into past posts and WBF: there's stuff there which is by far as good as mine (as you think), if not better by far :)
Does anyone know a website which is using "sameAs" schema? Would be curious to check it out
Wasn't familiar with the sameAs. Thanks for the info on that one. May have to see if I can make use of that on some of our "hotel near..." pages. I'd imagine it's quite effective in poking your way into the carousel for a concept.
same here.. I'm hearing about it just now. Can anyone reference me to an article about it? Couldn't find much about it besides https://schema.org/sameAs.
@Gianluca: very informative WBF! thanks and hope to see u soon in Berlin!
You should look for posts about Semantic Search for finding information about what is and why is good using the sameAs property
Check for what Aaron Bradley, for instance, has written and share, as Aaron is one of the best "evangelist" of Semantic Search
I like your tip about linking schema tag to related Wikipedia page, I need to try that!
Creating keyword groups and thinking about entities is obviously very important. It should come up naturally for the site owners who really know and feel their niches
It should come up naturally for the site owners who really know and feel their niches
Unfortunately it is not so many times...
Thanks Gianluca!
I think i'm becoming more interested to study about the language and the history of the topic I want to write about before getting started.
A lot of new concepts to me. I'm trying to keep the grip of that keeping the topic in coherence with it contexts is all about it, right?
I liked this whiteboard friday. I especially got a lot of value from the rel finder. It's great to be able to find obvious and not so obvious links between keywords. Great to use to find those ever evasive long tailed keywords.
Great whiteboard!! Entity concept more importance launching hummingbird algorithm because it's more depend on conversational search instead of semantic search. So if anyone had built website with an entity concept wherein they will talk about the particular context rather than exact match keyword, will be win win situation for them.
Second thing like is Wikipedia schema, that is a really great concept. To activate Schema property on sites, you would require a referral link and nothing is a better reference link than Wikipedia.
How do you guys recommend internal linking the topical hubs for an e-commerce site to maximize SEO and Usability? - From the main category page? Site maps? Related Relevant Pages? Other?
From the main category page... it will be a good start
Gianluca Fiorelli - great stuff !!............i'm loving it -:))
Hey Patrick I support your motion. I would love to see somebody smarter and more experienced than me going deeper into the Google + # potential.
Gianluca, first time I saw you on video, I enjoyed you more! Great WBF, thanks a lot for sharing your insights.. 1th, for all the topics covered with just 10 mins video, from my point of view an SEO lesson which deserves all the respect (at least from my small understanding), 2nd for your great accent :) you're a great person, sometimes videos talk more than keywords on a plain text.. thanks again for sharing this! appreciated :) bookmarked for further learning
You're a fan :D
I have been thinking this for some time - although used different terminology such as keyword groups or clusters - groups of related search terms which together could be your topical hub or category...
Nice resources for tools Gianluca.