Creating demand where none currently exists is the expertise of a bullshit artist. Some in sales would take offense to that statement; some would agree. Where I believe this talent fails is with a particular kind of recurring revenue service – consulting and agency work. Inevitably you run out of steam and alibis. If you can’t produce what you promise, you either have to pack up your wagon and flee to another dusty town (which, let’s face it, is how some SEOs and digital marketers practice), or suffer sleepless nights worrying about facing your clients in the morning.
Personally, I don’t like traveling. I also really like my sleep.
This is a post about how I choose better clients. It starts with introspection, and ends with a connection. For each of these tips, I’m thinking specifically of a client I let walk away. If a strong partnership is what you seek, then you have to be able to decline potential clients. The customer is not always right. Sometimes they’re downright dangerous.
Now, I know this isn’t possible in every company. An agency I worked with rarely says no to work. Bad clients pile on and contribute to driving away employees in routine mass departures. When I was worked there relationships got contentious, and frankly, I didn’t see a lot of flawless consulting happening. The phrase we used around the office to convince ourselves this was normal was, “that’s agency life.”
I came to learn that wasn’t agency life.
To remind ourselves of some of the marketing ideologies we learned in college; most retailers employ the marketing department philosophy, whereas search fits the marketing concept. In SEO marketing we want to answer the searches being made more often than any other task, which may not fit nicely into a clients’ ROI demands. Luckily, this is something we can get ahead of with early, open communication with the prospect. Sometimes you're able to reset expectations, sometimes not (where I kindly refer them to someone more of their mindset). It's important to ask goal-oriented questions here, and give a real thought to what you're positioned to achieve. What do they consider success? Does it match your beliefs? Have they had SEO before, and what were their frustrations? Are you better for them? Can you help them help you help them?
If you can truly embrace what you are as a service provider, and nurture deals accordingly, you’re in a very fortunate position. If you can perform SEO under the auspice of what is required for the client, instead of what the client thinks needs to be done, you’re well on your way to a successful partnership.
Clients I Avoid
Sometimes you need to cut the line before you reel in the catch. Once the catch breaks the water line, do you see a snagged horseshoe crab? Cut it. Did you pull in flounder? Invite me over for dinner. I’m a student of psychology and naturally think I size people up pretty well. There are basically three traits (or character flaws) that I am on high-alert for. As soon as I hit one, not only do I feel compelled to be reserved, but I close up – sometimes prematurely. Here are some of the personality types I avoid, and some tips on uncovering their true identities.
(Caveat: First impressions aren’t always accurate. First impressions should not the last chance to make a good impression. It’s very easy to misread people. I do keep that in the back of my head, just to balance me out.)
The Egomaniac
Some prospects may want to impress you. Sometimes they routinely impress themselves. Personally, I find them awfully hard to communicate with. You know the traits – they ask you questions only to cut you off and answer themselves. They are micro-managers. They brag incessantly about their past experiences. They believe they’re the only one that can truly defeat Superman.
They’re the type of person to say, “I didn’t get to where I am by not speaking up.” While on paper that sounds like a good trait, these can also be the people who have trouble accepting someone else’s expertise. They may not see the value of your otherwise salient recommendations. They tend to only respect other egomaniacs
But sometimes this is a front. Sometimes the egomaniac is socially awkward. A good skill in business is recognizing emotions, character flaws, and humanity when it really exists. Sometimes the egomaniac thinks he needs to be a killer. I have seen this disguise many, many times in my career.
I remember a client who managed to take down an entire marketing department with a previous agency. He was a product of a big name business advisor firm (name left out to prevent lawsuits) and drove some of my co-workers into therapy – honestly. There may have been no pleasing him, but the powers that be refused to cut ties. We weren’t able to do what we knew was best; we ultimately became an order taker for someone who wasn’t an expert in our field, but thought he was. This guy may truly be a serial killer at large.
Alternatively, I recall meeting with a prospect that ran an unimpressive ecommerce business. During the initial meeting I found myself listening to an hour long diatribe about him and how he shaped the company into what they are today. Interesting and something worth knowing in detail down the line, but I was there to talk about how I could help with their SEO. After finally asking two questions, in which I maybe got three words out, it was pretty clear this wasn’t going to be a productive meeting. Still, I stayed with the pitch process. Fortunately I made the right move, as this marketing director turned out to be more bark than bite. We’ve had a pretty successful three year run together, once the pretences went away.
I need a point person I want to spend time with. If the real soul of the point person and company can’t be lured out quickly, it may be a dead deal for me.
What to Do
Embrace the company culture and team’s personality. Try to be yourself, not who you think they want you to be. Ultimately you want a partner and a friend, not just a client and paycheck. If you don’t have an egomaniac account manager, this relationship could go down in flames.
Make it personal, but don’t take it personally. I always try finding something in common with the prospects. It’s a sales tactic for sure, and an ice breaker, but I find it useful to quickly peel back the personality layers. I try to see who they really are. I remember a client pitch where I learned the CMO was in a Philly band. Knowing the band, and playing music myself, we were able to connect on a non-business level. I know this is a crazy concept for some agencies that prefer to be more formal, but It really helps you understand the personality and temperament of the people you’re going to be working with.
Maybe it’s not your call to accept or deny the egomaniac, micro-managing client. In some cases you can still make it work. Communication (and some good habits) can go a long way in getting the client to bond with you, without you throwing away any integrity. We’ve all had a micro-managing boss at one time in our lives. Take some learnings from that experience. There are plenty of great tips online for that problem that can be leveraged with a micromanaging client:
- https://blogs.hbr.org/hmu/2011/09/stop-being-micromanaged.html
- https://www.thedailymuse.com/career/how-to-manage-a-micromanaging-boss
- https://michaelhyatt.com/micromanager.html
- https://nahidc.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-to-deal-with-micromanaging-boss.html
The Dictator
Some clients (think they) know exactly what they want. That can be a good thing. Sometimes though, they don’t want it the way you deliver it. It’s vital to know when you simply can’t deliver. How can you under-promise and over-deliver if you aren’t structured to meet their simplest expectations? Have you ever gotten a hamburger right at McDonald’s when you told them to make it special? No – it’s impossible. The employees have panic attacks behind the grill. It’s not how McDonald’s is built.
I had one prospect reach out to me about six months ago. We had worked together in a small capacity before. He told me precisely what he was looking for – he required someone to manage a department that needed to communicate with the Sydney office at 6 am, and required I hit a certain goal each month. This was a goal I not only didn’t believe was reasonable, but probably impossible (not to mention the only time I’m up at 6 am is when I haven’t fallen asleep yet).
My services aren’t excessively flexible by design – I simply can’t answer all the demands of most dictators. My services have a specific design with defined specialties. I know my team’s strengths and weaknesses. I know my plan in and out, and would have struck out with his needs. I had to face the facts and let that prospect go, even though it was a nice payday.
What to Do
Try to break the “we’ll take anything” model. That’s how people get hurt – including your employees. A client’s SEO and digital marketing need has become ubiquitous. Maybe they’ll be open to your specialized take on their business?
Never over-promise. Never wear a hat you don’t own. Stay calm. SEOs are in a great position already, with a great inherent value. Sometimes there are other providers who can do a better job than you in a certain area, so why not let them? Build some relationships between other service providers and create “friendly-competition”. When a client says "I want this," say "we do this." Keep it professional and offer to help them find someone who fits their model.
This may create serendipity and good karma. I’ve actually gotten referrals from prospects I’ve turned down. Not often, but it’s the magic of networking, relationships, and good deeds. Never underestimate the power of serendipity:
- https://moz.com/rand/manufacturing-serendipity/
- https://www.openforum.com/articles/8-ways-to-cultivate-serendipity-in-business-and-life/
- https://www.greenlaneseo.com/blog/2012/09/creating-your-own-seo-serendipity/
The Negotiator
It’s great to be on the payer side of negotiation. I find negotiating deals quite fun. But when the tables are turned, and I’m the service provider, I flex very little in price. It’s less because I’m a jerk and more because of my respect for my work and values.
Wharton grads are taught to believe in what they’re worth; anything less and you’re potentially softening the product. When a client tells me his budget is X, and I need it to by upwards around Y, the negotiation needs to stop. This was a huge lesson I learned after years of thinking about cash flow, and not quality of life.
I recently had a prospect that came to me and asked if I was available for consulting. As I always do, I brought up the budget question early on. He said, “I can spend about $300 a month.” Now I know some SEOs can stretch that and get rankings. I’m always impressed by these guys, but at that rate, I would fall on my face (and my sword). I’d fail at providing the only values I know how to create. I’d be scrambling to get good work done, and in the end, it would probably not be worth the aggravation after taxes.
Still, I tried to help him find someone who was better suited, while advising that his monthly fee was more likely to attract amateurs that might cost him more in the end. He was able to come up a little and I was able to refer him to another local SEO who fit his needs much better. Again, investing in serendipity.
I can’t say this enough - Take a bad deal financially and you will pay for it. I’ve never seen a need to pad the price for negotiation in our industry. We’re not selling used cars here.
What to Do
Don’t budge unless you’ve priced yourself out of the market. Also, don’t risk putting yourself in a bad relationship because you settled. It doesn’t tend to work out in marriage, government, or business.
Clearly display all the items a client could be getting in an engagement with you and encourage the prospect to see the value if they “pay up” instead of going with an amateur. If you have a price you’re proud of, then you should also have results and confidence to stand behind.
Some agencies find it very difficult to talk about money, as it gets slipped in as a line item at the back of a proposal. These proposals are often written after hours of conversations. I propose you bring the money conversation early to qualify your prospects. I go so far as put my rates and packages right on my website and always encourage my prospects to review those pages in an introductory email. I don’t like wasting hours on a deal that was never meant to be. I’ve found this to be a very positive technique to getting deals signed quickly, as some clients prefer the openness and honesty. Not everyone likes haggling, and will happily pay a price when they know it’s fair.
Conclusion
Sometimes a bad client can teach you how to be a better consultant, but I don’t wish a bad client upon anyone. In my 10+ years of consulting, I’d like to think the lessons I learned (some of which I’m sharing here) can really be learned through some tough and common sense.
Agencies are busy places, but you need to take time (off-sites work nicely) to really figure out what your service model is. Whether it’s from the top down, or just your specific department, having a thought out manifesto on the clients you’re not going to take could be transformational to the success of your consulting business.
Oh, and if by chance you encounter a hybrid of all these client-types above, the only tip I have is… flee. I’ve yet to find any way to tame this three-headed egotistical, dictating, negotiating creature. That’s schizophrenia on a level I can’t even comprehend.
"I can’t say this enough - Take a bad deal financially and you will pay for it."
Truer words have never been spoken. This is a great post, and I hope everyone reading it takes your advice to heart!
In addition to the well-defined profiles you mentioned, I also have a strict "No Asshole Rule" to protect myself from "nightmare clients." I like money as much as the next guy, but I like avoiding unnecessary drama even more ;-)
How true! I think this applies to employers as well as clients. I spent a few years working for a boss that always had unrealistic expectations. Anytime I tried to adjust his expectations, I was painted as either lazy or incompetent. This was strange for me, given I was usually treated like a rock star anywhere else I'd worked. Eventually I learned that there was no pleasing this guy, and I moved my career in a different direction.
In short, some people are unreasonable. They have lofty expectations, and they think everything should cost 5 cents (I'm thinking of a Met Life commercial). If you've made a good effort to establish attainable goals and clear expectations, but your efforts have failed, move on and never look back. There is a measurable cost to stress and its effect on your quality of life. Do great work, and always work with people who appreciate you.
Take a bad deal financially and you will pay for it.
Golden quote for me too. Gotta make a poster, a shirt, or at least a desktop wallpaper with this
There's so many quotable / tweetable lines in the post Bill. A post on an SEO blog with NO PICTURES - and I read the WHOLE THING?!
That's a feat man.
But no seriously, I can relate to this on so many levels. We should chat over G+ sometime.
Aww, you know my number.
Hey Bill, it's great to read a post on the business side of running an agency or being a freelancer. I can certainly relate to your tips & agree that being picky with the clients you choose to take on will lead to better results & happier times for all concerned.
Great post and a lot to remember... the Dictator, Egomaniac and Negotiator... see, mine would be: The Ne'er Doer, The Repeater and the Email Addict.
The Ne'er Doer - "I'll make those changes" "I'll get that done this weekend" "That's on my list" "Remind me where we're at and I'll get it done?" "Was I gonna do that or you?" Nothing ever gets done. I want to help clients and feel bad when I can't. But sometimes these clients kill me in the heart.
The Repeater - "I'm making those changes Thursday." "Just wanted you to know I'm still on for Thursday." "The changes for Thursday - I'll get those done in the afternoon Thursday." Ok, just ... tell me once. Then do it. Then tell me it's done. You are not Pat Summerall. I don't need the play by play.
The Email Addict - One of my clients is responsible for something like 40% of ALL my email in the last 90 days. (Yes, soon to be a former client as I've tried to put limits.) You don't need to email me 50 times asking the same question at 3 am on a Sunday morning. Actually, to be fair, the client emailed me at 9 pm, 2 am and 5:30 am with the same question. Holy. Fired. Client.
You should write part 2 to this article.
lol I think in our heads we all did. Our trouble clients won't be the same - whether it's me or you or 10 other people. Those who do consulting I would assume *all* have clients we can't afford to take. I've sadly taken way too many of them the last 18 months. I appreciate the post - glad it's not just me!
Oh, if not for NDA's the stories I could tell.
Bill, I completely agree about trying to find something in common outside of the work. Having a personal connection with the person you are working with can only help. It means that when you come asking for access to something you need, they are more likely to give it to you.
The thing is with consulting is you need to know when to say NO. I run my own consultancy company now so really we have enough demand at the moment so if a client comes in an from the start you can tell they are going to be a problem it is better to just go with other business.
An issue I have had in prior companies is where sales people would not communication very well with the search term and deals would be done where the sales team would make a deck and sell something just to get commissions and the search team is left with the damage. If you are going to work with sales teams make sure that the search team is 100% involved with the sales process and making decks or it is going to cause issues.
That sir, is a nightmare and a very real, repeated problem. I've bonded with many agency folk over this issue. It took me a few years to beat it - I became the squeaky wheel until it was (sort of) fixed.
Great post! I used to work for an agency and I recognize some of the profiles you mentioned in here. I found that the biggest threats to the company were the clients that didn't recognize the time and effort that you put in. They read a few posts about SEO and now think they know everything!I can't agree with you more that sometimes it's better to avoid the relationship from the beginning.
I know that's an incredibly tough thing with some execs (depending where you work), but I found that discretion to be critical.
Totally Agree with you Bill! A consultant/freelancer/SEO Agency has to be picky in choosing the right clients, there has to be a mutual understanding, personal relationship if possible to keep things moving easily both in smooth and rough times. Its also important to set realistic deadlines and let client know results are not easy to come by and that it takes time.
That point in your consulting career when you can comfortably say "no" to a prospect who is clearly going to be a time-suck, or will never fully understand or appreciate what you do is a beautiful thing.
That point should be when you start your career.
Unfortunately, it is a lesson everyone has to learn on their own.
No matter how many times you tell someone, or how many times someone may read it, until you experience it for yourself, you do not know how to say no.
Yeah, it took me much longer than it should have to figure out how to say "no", particularly for low budget small biz clients. I knew when, but wasn't very good at how. I am still probably a little too flexible.
I just ended a consulting engagement with a not-for-profit client that paid well, didn't complain, yet was unfulfilling. Everyone there was nice, but they didn't take the advice! They paid for our flights, hotels, monthly reports, etc, for six months, but they didn't implement.
Why not?
On the SEO front, they had excuses - couldn't get content (obscure scientific niche, so not easy), couldn't make technical changes, etc.
On the PPC front it was worse. They had a very inefficient, costly setup, with all ads going to the home page, all broad matched, keywords duplicated, poor QS - the works. Lots of traffic for some totally unrelated terms, as well as good traffic. I did what any of you would - make a smaller campaign, totally targeted - phrase/exacts, so they got the intended audience, which was small (obscure niche, remember?). Their reaction was horror - no more "goals" (more than 2 pages viewed, at least 3 minutes on site) because I took the click direct to the content; no more clicking around from the home page. So they reinstated their old campaigns in parallel with mine! Happiness at their end.
Why? It turns out that they needed to show increasing traffic, not quality traffic (if the numbers were to drop) because they had to impress their benefactors. Frankly, they could have found someone at Fiverr to click their ads.
So, is there also a case for refusing work that will not be satisfying?
Since I used to work at non-profits, I feel your pain. Non profits often place the highest value on:
- keeping benefactors happy
- internal consensus (raised voices can be the ultimate taboo)
- showing progress against goals that don't make much sense (e.g.. getting more members, pretty much just a matter of deciding how much you want to spend and only loosely related to the merits of your programs.)
Form the client's point of view, your engagement was probably a success. They can say they hired an expert, got reports, and took some action. Some things worked, others didn't. But many possibilities were explored and the experience was valuable. So it was money well spent!
I had a lot of clients that couldn't implement anything I recommended. Red tape, legal team involvement, several levels of approval or QA, etc. Every client I failed with in my career was in large part due to things I truly could not control (on-page). I definitely feel your pain here.
Now, I try to learn through the pitch whether I'll be a hand in the cookie jar. I try to understand who all is on the team, what their roles are, and what my obstacles will be.
I didn't make this a fourth character though (but it originally was until I deleted it), only because sometimes I don't avoid them. Sometimes I engage to see if I can create some new ports into the core of their online business. Though, at this point in my career, I have to really like the brand and team to consider cutting through that jungle again.
I sometimes find that "nonprofits" can fit into the "Client's/Customers I Can't Afford to Take" category.
They try to use their nonprofit status as a bludgeon to negotiate deals rather than a happy face that elicits support.
Just because they are a nonprofit does not make me a nonprofit.
A well written, long and valuable piece about the types of clients to avoid in SEO. The egomaniac, the dictator, and the negotiator clients described in this post give one idea of the most troublesome clients that can affect your business negatively.
Luckily, the ideas shared in this post have been able to reveal practical ways on how to deal with each of these three "creatures" in a way that help the firm or Agency in the long run.
Of course, customers are always right but not when their needs begins to affect the productivity and growth potential of the firm.
Bill Sebald's ideas of dealing with these 'clients' are revealing and could applied. It may not be easy rejecting clients, but it would be worth doing if those clients are difficult to manage!
This is a lot of good advice, much of which I've been learning little by little in my first couple of years working with clients.
One thing that I've figured out: when I have a client that regularly stresses me out, it requires too much of my energy and tends to distract me from other work I need to be doing. If I'm using a disproportionate amount of my energy trying to please someone who's unreasonable, the clients that are more worthy of that energy are less likely to get the work from me they deserve.
In that respect, ending a relationship with a difficult client doesn't even seem like a choice, it becomes a necessity in order to maintain my own business standards.
Not working with a client that doesn't fit well is not exclusive to this market. Seems that saying no can be difficult in many aspects of sales. It can seem risky, but the true risk is with taking on a client that you will never be able to work with. Firing clients is more difficult than no taking on a client that would seem to be a problem.
Really like this post. As the person in charge of our agency's sales, I have to agree with everything you have argued here. There are so many times where it might be easy to close a client, but you know it isn't a great project. I have always encouraged my team to walk away from those situations. You might get the sale, but if they client isn't happy they wont stick around and you've also managed to give your consultants a crappy experience which makes them want to leave as well.
In the long run it pays off to be picky and to push for great clients and great projects. No point in wasting people's times with clients who will never be happy or projects you don't believe in. Closing those types of deals is a false economy and can break an agency.
Great post and interesting timing and I just turned away some work. Some customers are just not worth it. Knowing which ones to walk away from or when to cut ties is a useful skill.
It definitely took me a while to get the ability to identify and walk away, especially in the days where my pipeline was small.
There is another side to this story...
The Egomaniac An alternative explanation for why new clients talk about themselves, accomplishments, etc, is that they want to be sure that a new provider represents their brand in the right light. I'm assuming that as part of the service you deliver, you might be responsible for creating content that describes, promotes, etc, the client's company. Perhaps your clients are trying to make sure you "get it" before you start working on their behalf.
The Dictator
Why is someone that asks you to "hit a goal" and "communicate with the Sydney office at 6 am" a dictator? That doesn't sound like a dictator to me. Just sounds like a case where you could have mutually agreed that this wasn't a good opportunity to work together. You don't mention what the unreasonable goal is, but I don't see how a requirement to talk with Sydney is unreasonable...it just doesn't work for you.
The Negotiator
The SEO industry creates this problem for itself. Clients will not only get wildly different pricing for the same service, but wildly different pricing models as well. Since they have no real basis to evaluate the competitiveness of bids, they don't have many options to ensure they are getting a fair price...other than beating you into submission. This is just an inherent issue with an industry that's only been around a few years.
The person who wants to fill me in on their business to make sure I understand their brand, style, etc., is not the same as the person who wants to tell you how to do your work. The former is what I require, the latter is what I avoid. The latter don't need to hire people like me.
I'm being tongue in cheek, using dictator in a fun way. But yes, the scenario you state is what I avoid. I think you got the point though, "don't take deals that are unreasonable for your service model" is a fine interpretation.
I agree with the last point. It's like that in almost every service industry, which is why I said I try to give them all the reasons to see the value my price delivers.
I hate to say it, but I would probably be a horrible company for an SEO consultant to work with. Sure, I pay my bills on time, but due to the fact that I build sites on a part time basis, I am unfortunately scattered. It is hard to maintain focus on any single issue, including one as important as improving search engine ranking.
In my opinion, a perfect client would be a large organization that has a specific internal employee hired to manage the companies websites. Most likely, they would be judged on performance and possibly have a budget for online marketing. If they had a budget to spend, I would think they would use consultants to help them keep their own job secure. More importantly, they would have the time to properly implement the consultants suggestions.
Lean to red flag difficult clients and let them go, you'll have so much time freed up you'll be able to take on more work elsewhere. It is far more stressful working with a difficult client than it is letting them go, you'll find this out once they are gone.
Be honest with yourself, if you can't help a company improve their profits, then tell them and point them in the right direction. There is nothing wrong referring them to an agency you trust and know can do a better job than you.
When you speak to a prospect on the phone for the first time, you need to work out if you can help them and whether you actually want to work with them. If you don't feel positive about both move on.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with breaking out a bottle of champagne when you sack a client - at least that's what I tell my business partner :)
Spot on Article! My favorite part was the end about the money thing. I never settle. If my prices can't be met I'm not going to bend over backwards for someone on the cheap or worse I'm not going to give them a quality product....which I will not sacrifice quality EVER because its everything to my business and me personally....so basically I'm not going to bend over backwards on the cheap lol. Besides, They get what they pay for in the end. I have made it a point to increase my clients sales above all other metrics some SEO's believe are important. To me its sales or sign ups or whatever the goal may be links and social shares are just an end to that means not the means. Anyways I have also found being upfront with the price is the best thing...why spend hours planning a project that you are not going to get paid on?
Curious Ryan, what do you typically charge on the low end? You don't have to answer if you don't want to.
Great post! I'd also add "The Disorganized Disappearer" to your list; the client who doesn't approve content, doesn't read the reports you send, and doesn't provide feedback. And after months spent by your team chasing them to get a response, they jump on the first 'guaranteed 1st position ranking' outsourcer that pops into their inbox.
But it is SO HARD to say NO to prospective clients!!
You're totally right. I forgot about that persona. Good call.
Great wisdom here. I work for a boss the is the egomaniac, and you sized him up to a "T" for sure! Thanks for the tips in handling him a little better.
We might have had the same boss in our lifetime.
Thank you for putting into words things I have seen in my relatively adolescent professional career. I see things and I just blow them off, but it is reassuring (I think) to know that other people recognize these personality-types.
It would be funny to create personas for these, so you could add pictures to the post.
Insightful article Bill, thanks. It's nice to read about how others handle their business when it comes to SEO. It's very nice to work with clients who understand the business a bit, respect the work you do and value the things you accomplish for them.
I can handle all of the above as long as I get the work done and they are happy about it :)
This was too good! Next time an infographic will really bring these characters to life!
Love it man,
Ultimately I don't ever want to take on business for a client who isn't willing to put forth the effort to succeed, it will be an uphill battle from the start and it's not worth my time or effort. Clients who don't care about their product or just want to increase their numbers are worthless to me.
I find myself reading this article regularly before new client meetings (like I have today)...great read and great advice!
I read this a few months ago and forgot to comment but just seen that it got promoted and saw a post on LinkedIn! Well done, great post. In a bizarre psychoanalytical type thingy, you got inside my head and spoke from my mouth. In otherwords you took the words right out of my mouth. Enjoyed reading the post. Thank you!
Hi Bill, what you have mentioned in this post is undoubtedly a great lesson for every consultant, freelancer or SEO agency. The dictator, the egomaniac and the negotiator clients i.e. the troublesome clients should be avoided as far as possible since they often demand to make efforts to establish unattainable goals. And it’s found that they never evaluate one’s attempt if it is failed and thereby hamper the growth and productivity of an individual or agency.
You have made very sensible conclusions, Bill. I couldn’t agree more. As they say, there is no leading man without a villain. Aside from positivity, consciousness about the existence of these toxic personalities that you’re dealing with does matter. They really have the ability to drain you out when you are not fully aware and off guard.
Nice post. You have mention lot of quality of client I am already facing this situation. I can't' rely client at all because they have lot of expectation. it never complete .
Amazing post. we are working on client project, its so tough to give satisfaction of client. if you do work independent then you can get full sleep.
Getting bad clients is just part of the gig unfortunately. And the only way you learn how to deal with them is to deal with them. As you progress in your career you start to learn the red flags and notice the warning signs. I'm lucky enough to have reached a point where I can look at a client and say no and walk away, even when the money is good, because I know that client will drive me crazy.
Please add these ones I've encountered in my time doing freelance organic SEO, content creation and light website design:
- Mr. "I would do this myself, but I'm too busy": This person thinks they know everything. They only hired you because they felt like they "had" to - never a good sign. They'll spend the course of your relationship second-guessing and micromanaging because, remember, they could to this themselves. They're just too busy. Leave them and their busy lives alone!
- Ms. "I just need help with everything!": If you ask what someone needs and they say "everything!" - run. This person will run you ragged cooking up new things to do. I literally had someone who I started with just building a basic website. Before I knew it, I was being asked to plan events and handle publicity! These types are unorganized and usually ineffective. They have no idea what they want. Bonus: They don't know what they want - but they will eventually know you're not giving it to them!
- Mr. "Nobody has been able to help me": This one has been through multiple contractors/agencies and nobody "gets" him. Yeah, that's because he's bananas. Seriously, if someone has been through multiple agencies and is still dissatisfied, they are usually the problem. Avoid!
I could go on and on (especially about El Cheapo's who want to pay you in broken promises and Doritos loco tacos...) but I won't!
Hi Bill,
Great post here. Seen a few of these myself, and will be on the lookout for the archetypes I (luckily) haven't run into yet. Would love to see some discussion about the type of clients you CAN afford too :)
Clients who think highly of themselves and thinks they know everything in the world is the kind i am avoiding. They always intrude my workspace. One time, I done the ON PAGE of their website. And I was ready to do some OFF PAGE. They changed it without telling me. I asked them if they changed it. They denied it with their heads up. Little did they know that I always keep a back up docs for every page of the website I handle. Later on, They apologized for changing the ON PAGE.
Unfortunately Bill, I must agree with your conclusions. Often it is better to politely refuse an "suspicious" client than to start an SEO campaign without making sure that the client understands the process very well.
Frequently Asked Questions remain the same: "How long does it take for my site to rank No. 1 on Google". Unfortunately, many clients refuse to listen and understand the entire SEO process. They need "quick results over night".
Currently I am seeking to learn more about the SEO world. I am looking into consultants and or companies that provide services to assist in the kind of work you do for your clients. I understand that you are not taking on any additional clients but maybe you could provide me some good advice as to how to hire the right SEO consultant. Basically the same ideals of your article but I need some guidance as to how to define a good- bad SEO consultant/management company. Any Tips?
Hi Angela.
Google and Rand both have advice on how to hire the right SEO consultant.
Donna
Seeking the right company should start with those that can see the bigger picture outside of the misconceived term 'SEO' and can demonstrate understanding of how the industry is evolving and what factors are required for not only ranking well but more importantly, what gives your customers great experience onsite and offsite, driving conversions - aspects that many in the "SEO" field would not consider or attend to.
Bill, I would add "The Asshole" to your list. We recently fired a client because they had this personality trait. We've always said, "We choose our clients almost as carefully as they choose us", but this one slipped through.
Great post!
Great Post, in a theoretical world, you shouldnt avoid new business, you have to learn to adapt or to manage them. But in a more realistic environment its almost impossible to adapt to certain type of clients.
Thanks for the recommendations,!
I thought about the argument of adapting while writing this actually. I realized, as I think we're in agreement on, that's just not healthy in any way. At least I couldn't think of one I would sign up for.
Great stuff and very timely.
As I was currently (and I mean right now) evaluating a potential new client and was very stressed about creating our agreement for the work. It was a complex situation and I could not put my finger on what was causing the dilemma. I happen to go to facebook to contact a mutual colleague that has also worked with this client in the past. I ran across this post in my news feed and just had to read it.
BINGO - I was dealing with a Negotiator
I have politely declined the project and will have a much better weekend for it.
First, your beard is awesome. Second, I hope it plays out to be a much longer benefit than just the weekend!!!
Bill,
Uncannily timely. Just talking about this literally minutes before reading. Thanks for the perspective. We don't do clients any favors by giving them what they want when what they want ends up hurting their business and our reputation. We know who ends up holding the bag. Hint: it's not the client.
Great Advice Bill! I also agree in bringing up the money involved as soon as possible to not waste anyones time. I find you sometimes come across people that have no clue what the going rate is and they get sticker shock.
I wish I could post this to so many (potential) clients we've had in the past. Quality of work = Quality of life. Great article, Bill.
I'm really glad you enjoyed it.
This may be one of the hardest thing for a consultant to do....let money walk out the door. You present some good points about why it is probably better in the long run. I have been there and have learned to trust my gut and assign the proper value to my skillset. Nice article!!
Great list. We just finished work with an egomaniac and were rather relieved and wondered how we allowed ourselves to get into such a situation. It wasn't worth the stress and irritation, and if somebody isn't willing to listen there is little hope in fully helping them, so in the end it makes everybody look bad.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. :)
Great article Bill.
Too many times as SEO's we are too eager to say yes. After reading this article I think we all realize that it's okay to say no. It may be hard, but it may also be the best thing to do.
Not wrong, Eric! As an account manager, I know I've been (and in some cases still am) guilty of wanting to please the client and going well beyond the call of duty in over-servicing them. Especially clients who have unreal expectations of what quality online marketing actually costs. And of course, you want to make a good impression on your client. It's a dangerous combination of factors which add undue stress to your working life and increases your workload.
I'm working on bringing it under control, real quick!
I love this conversation.
Great article!
Never wear a hat you don’t own.
Yup. And it goes both ways.
Hey Bill,
I wish you posted this article last week,it might be too late for me getting one "Dictator" client :-)
Great article.
Bill, great write up on most of the personality traits we all encounter on a daily bases. I always take into consideration the four personality traits...director, thinking, socializer, relater. Knowing there behavior style will give me a good idea of what type of partnership we will have. Thanks for sharing your insight.
I like that!
Like Dan said, "There's so many quotable / tweetable lines in the post Bill. A post on an SEO blog with NO PICTURES - and I read the WHOLE THING?!".
Nice to see someone identifying those traits that could lead you down an ugly time-consuming low return venture.
Thanks Bill!
Thanks Christopher - it means a lot that you guys liked this, and it was well received. I'm loving the comments too.
Bad clients are bad for your business - period. Always look on the long run and ask yourself if you can handle this kind of clients and if by any means - it's worth it.
Great Article post, i like it