Many of the client issues we've been working with recently have centered around canonicalizing, re-directing and structuring URLs for content. Marketing, sales, executives and IT departments all seem to have a unique viewpoint on these matters, making compromise and agreement especially difficult. For the purposes of this post, I'll focus solely on the "best practices."
When to use a subfolder
99.9% of the time, if a subfolder will work, it's the best choice for all parties. Subfolders have all the flexibility of subdomains (the content CAN, if necessary, be hosted on a unique server or completley unique IP address through post-firewall load balancing) and none of the drawbacks. Subfolder content will contribute directly to how search engines (and users for that matter) view the domain as a whole. The link in to subfolders are considered relevant to the domain as a whole, and while this rule applies for many subdomains, the exceptions make it worth avoiding them.
When to use a subdomain
If your marketing team decides to promote a URL that is completely unique in content or purpose and would like to use a catchy subdomain to do it, it can be practical. Sites like maps.google.com, blog.searchenginewatch.com and even SEOmoz's own web2.0awards.org are examples of wher the marketing considerations make a subdomain an acceptable choice.
Be wary of press and media attention to the domains, as un-savvy users often don't understand the concept of subdomains or that domains can be on the "world-wide-web" without a "www." It's much less expensive to use a subfolder and have slightly less marketing panache than it is to educate through branding and advertising.
When to use an entirely new domain
When you don't want it to rank at the search engines . Seriously, though, a new domain, even for many of the world's largest brands, is not a particularly good idea. It's practical for entirely new campaigns, like a new movie (though if I were Warner Brothers or MGM, I'd opt for warnerbrothers.com/newmovie) or a new brand, and it's obviously necessary when building a new company. Other than these limited uses, however, multiple domains hosting content that could fit on an existing domain is brand dilution. I'd liken it to retail stores only taking American Express Gold cards and rejecting AmEx Corporate or AmEx Blue - overly segmented and dangerous for the consumer mindset (particularly consumers named Google, Yahoo! or MSN).
Giving up the value of incoming links, the branding of an existing domain and the historical weight given by search engines is exceptionally inadvisable, particularly in a post-sandbox era.
When to use a TLD other than .com
Only these few rare situations would sway me to move away from the .com domain:
- When you own the .com and want to re-direct to a .org, .tv, .biz, etc. possibly for marketing/branding/geographic reasons. Only do this if you already own the .com and can re-direct.
- When you can use a .gov, .mil or .edu domain (.jobs, though technically restricted to HR and hiring organizations, is available to anyone who hires, and doesn't have any special search benefits)
- When you are serving only a single geographic region and are willing to forever forego promotion outside that region (i.e. .co.uk, .de, .it, etc.)
I have no doubt my strict rules have some omitted exceptions - feedback is always welcome.
Hi Rand,
I have a country specific domain (.es) but I display content in English and the website is hosted in US. Will I still get handicapped in google.com just because of the TLD?
It's a new website so I don't mind moving to a .com Would you recommend that? Even if sometime in the future I might add Spanish content?
I don't know why this post didn't get more thumbs up. This is the best explanation of the pros and cons of your options I have found. Thanks Rand!
Hey Rand, just read your post here and I was wondering - why do you call web2.0awards.org a subdomain and not a new URL? One could argue it behaves like a subdomain and is linked to like a subdomain, but after all it's a different URL - am I missing something (?)
Boaz - you're correct, it's a completely different domain and I think the search engines treat it like any new domain. The clever use of a subdomain (web2 rather than www) probably has no special impact.
So you used for link bait purposes a different domain - doesn't this contradict what you wrote above about when to use a subfolder, when to use a subdomain and when an entirely new domain? :-)
It does - the Web2.0awards were largely an experiment in sandboxing - to see if we could "escape" by getting many high quality links right up front... It obviously worked and now we've got a solution we can use for clients. Obviously, if this had been a project intended to bring revenue, we'd have certainly gone the other route and kept it on SEOmoz.
I was just contemplating about this subject. I noticed that few bloggers out there when they write in different languare use a subdomain for that purpose. TechCrunch for examle uses:
fr.techcrunch.com- for the french version of his blog.
Would you say that www.techcrunch.com/fr be much better solution?
I am also interested in the "division of language" issue and how best to set that up. We sometimes use an online business platform to host client websites. If it's set up on subdomains, the auto-responders for the forms will automatically be sent in the correct language. If you don't use subdomains, you have to make all your autoresponders bilingual... which is okay if you only need 2 languages. That aside, what are best practices for language differentiation, especially when both languages are in the same country (As opposed to using country codes like us.domain.com or ca.domain.com)?
Great post by the way! Thanks so much.
Thanks Rand! you're the man,
I would add that if you are going to go with a subdomain like Monkeys.AtTheZoo.com for a major marketing campaign that you also register www.MonkeysAtTheZoo.com and have it redirect, a small percentage of people will type that in. Also if you DO NOT and the campaign is successful, then there are 1000's of domain parkers out there who WILL register it for you...
Also, make sure your DNS/Virtual Host files are configured properly so that www.Monkeys.AtTheZoo.com redirects to the proper sub as a percentage of people will also type this.
In fact, without getting too geeky, you may want to create a rewrite rule that wildcards any subdomain with anything LIKE %monkey% to catch any misspellings, plurals etc. Every visit counts!
Jason - great point. When we did web2.0awards.org, we also bought every variation - the .coms, the full domain spelled out (web20awards.com, .org), etc.
And, yes - re-directing wildcards so that all files on the domain re-point is also a very good idea.
I'd be curious to see some numbers (without laying your cards on the table) of how many type ins went to each of those different .com's etc etc, and how many links showed up out there in the www to the wrong domains. I am sure they total small %'s (less than 2% would be my guess) but I'd be curious to see something a little more scientific than the numbers I oft pull out of my *ss.
I am sure the numbers on your particular project would be high enough to get a good measurement being that you went with the .org and had the funky 2.0 style domain name. Things that can be problematic, but in this case are good examples of when drawing outside the lines can be fun.
J - I've never heard of Planet Ocean... This page makes it look very sketchy. I wouldn't trust their data based on their selling strategy - basically the equivalent of an online used car salesman (of course, I haven't bought it so I can't judge the content).
I think an investigatory post on the value of Planet Ocean is in order...
BTW, what led you to make this statement? Each month I receive what is arguably the best everything-to-do-with-search newsletter around, Planet Ocean. Every search guru I know subscribes to it and loves it. Each issue is jam packed with news items and tips for the pros, by the pros.
I see it mentioned here and there spottily, but the forum comments on it generally refer to the book, rather than the newsletter.
Agree online sales presentation could be better, but try not to judge the book by its cover. It was recommended to me by a successful SEO here in Cleveland (where I live), as well as other SEOs in my local network. I read the book when first learning the ropes and anxiously receive their newsletter each and every month. Diving into SEO around '02, I read everything from their book, to Aaron Wall's SEO Book to even the Dummies book, and it was the best of all my initial resources.
Rand, I bought their "Unfair Advantage Book" a few years ago (before I started posting at SEOChat) and it was pretty good at that time. Can't say anything about how it holds up with today's situation.
great article, but needs updating in light of recent changes at GG, where subdomains are now treated much like subfolders for the domain, unless of course the content is unique.
It's 2011 now, and I commented on the same thing. Is this still relevant?
It's 2011 now, and I commented on the same thing. Is this still relevant?
Hi rand
m happy that i could read this, was confused whether to use subfolders or a new domain, if you can help me, i have this website at https://www.sristysaviation.com optimized for keyword "air hostess training" which is targetting only the Indian aviation market, i wanted to target the american market too, where i will have to optimize for keywords "flight attendant". From your post here it looks it is better to go with subfolders as i cannot create subdomains. Since the website already has good ranking(1st page) and page ranks, what you think i should do. With subfolders linking will be a problem
Thanks
I'm trying to get my arms around the sub-domain debate as a newbie... I'm a bit T-Rex though. My company has been nailing up sites using subdomains for a couple of years. I've just joined this company and have the vague notion that we're actually doing harm to the rankability/credibility of our main domain by using subs. What I've read so far seems to simultaneously confirm and negate my impressions. As an example... if McDonalds became a customer of ours, we would put up a site for them that would be mcdonalds.mymaindomain.com. Every customer follows this format in some way... Since I've been charged primarily with figuring out the best ways to make the redesign of our main site hum when it comes to user friendliness, SEO, and conversion-- I can't seem to get past this subdomain thing as an initial stumbling block to our eventual success. Are there pat answers to these nagging questions?
(We're not a web hosting company or a design firm by the way. We, in essence, license a system for our customers to market products that may relate to their industry but are not their core strength.)
So I got to thinking that if we had set up some other way like mymaindomain.com/customer/mcdonalds001 then our main domain might be miles ahead of where it is now. Could this be true since we have hundreds of customers-- perhaps with main sites of their own-- linking to the subdomained version of our main site? We're poised for an on-slaught of customers in the months to come and if I'm right about the sub domain thing... I need to make sure I explain this in no uncertain terms so we can begin our redesign with the end in mind.
So... I've got short arms, but big ears. I'd love some feedback...
Excellent article ! I was wondering what I was gonna choose for my blog located at www.nyxen.net/instantane/ and was wondering if I should either make it become instantane.nyxen.net or some other new domain. This article is really gonna help me in my choice.
Can I translate this article to French on my website ?
Thanks again !
Rand, great post and point-of-reference for those who play the domain game. Now I won't find myself changing my opinion on subdomains every month or so. I'll keep this post in mind as I build my next community site.
Looking forward to another "investigatory post". :)
I agree with this post 100%. Was thinking about this stuff this morning when I saw this URL... www.mcdonaldscnynpa.com Some McDeveloper sold them on a 200 website package.
What the heck is that domain name for? It's impossible to remember and even after visiting the site, I still don't understand...
McDonalds in Central New York and Northern Pennsylvania. Understand now?
What is your appraised value of this domain name? My appraised value is a negative amount - what they paid to have the site built. I wonder how many of these they have contracted?
This article was written in 2006. Five years later, is this advice still relevant?
Here's an update from MOZ in 2009: https://www.seomoz.org/blog/understanding-root-domains-subdomains-vs-subfolders-microsites
I am wondering the same thing though, have there been any recent changes in how this works? We are considering launching multiple blogs and don't know if we should go with www.mainsite.com/topic1-blog/ or topic1-blog.mainsite.com, etc
I've been wondering the same thing as Joe and pbhatt.
A few months ago, I combined several sites into one - but I wanted clear separation between the various facets of my topic, so I chose to go with sub-domains. If the advice in this article still applies, sounds like I made a horrible mistake - but is it too late to go back and do it all over again?
I thought that since Google started treating sub-domains differently in 2008, is it really so much of a problem that I have to change it all again? I have five sub-domains and no expectation of needing to add more.
Excellent guide this has really helped me on www.etopedia.com
this is really the best shortest SEO article i have read about tld, subdomains and subfolder
Hi I just came in to read your great article. This problem has been bothering me for so long. I run this website at www.CarpoolKing.com. It currently supports 8 regions in the world with the vision of expansion in the future. The contents of different countries are mostly similar with slight region-specific customization contents. The biggest difference is when you use geographical data then they're all different. I chose to use sub-folders for countries rather than using a session variable hoping to establish local presence so for example
www.carpoolking.com/au/en/ for Australia
www.carpoolking.com/nz/en/ for New Zealand
Do you think this is the correct layout or should I be pursuing TLDs? Also how do I take care of the duplicate content issue?
Thank you very much for your time and any help. Have a good day :)
Interested in hearing more about your insight into .jobs. I recently blogged about this, per a statement made by the guys at Planet Ocean, which contradicts your statement that the URL has no search benefit: https://www.cheezhead.com/2006/02/15/jobs-doma...
Also, I would like to hear your opinion as to why .jobs TLDs fail to achieve PageRank: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GG...