Sections in this post:
- Introduction & Venture Capital Primer
- Building the Pitch Deck
- The Pitch Itself
- Getting Introduced to Venture Capitalists
- The Meeting Process
- What VCs Liked and Didn't
- The Final Outcome & the Future
Introduction to our Process & Venture Capital
In this post, my goal is to walk you through the process we used, the feedback we received and the final results and decisions. Fundraising is a demanding, lengthy, emotionally charged process and something that challenged me personally more so than any other single part of my life in the last 5 years. I hope that by sharing my experience I can help others who start down this road and give you an idea of what to expect. The more knowledge you have, the less fear can hold you up; that’s what this post is here to accomplish.
First, I’ll try to provide some context around why we went to raise money in the first place, how we constructed our "pitch deck," how we got introductions and meetings to a large number of VCs and the progress from initial meetings to partner meetings to final decisions.
SEOmoz started the VC process in June 2009, in possibly the worst climate for fundraising since 2001. You can see the stark contrast from our timing with the previous round in, arguably, the best environment since 2000.
Graph of Venture Capital Invested by Quarter (via NVCA)
Ventue capital is "expensive" money, not just in terms of the price paid in equity, but in the obligations and requirements that come with it. In our Series A, we took money more like a seed investment – Michelle & Kelly saw potential and wanted to see what could happen. Raising another round meant aiming to hit the "home run." For those who are unfamiliar, the startup world has built an entire lexicon around the "seriousness" and exit-size focus of a company that ranges from "lifestyle" businesses that don't try to achieve multi-million dollar scale to "home runs" that exit for $1billion+.
Note that there’s plenty of criticism of this model from both the venture side and from entrepreneurs and operators. Lots of other blogs have talked about the imbalance in interests between founders and investors and current market conditions vs. expected VC portfolio returns. I won’t re-hash these, but as a broad overview, most venture funds have 100s of millions of dollars from their LPs (Limited Partners – folks like large endowment funds, pensions, government entities, extremely wealthy individuals, etc). In order to provide significant returns, they follow a model of investing in a few dozen startups, most of which will go bankrupt and, hopefully, 1-3 of which will provide most of the profits in billion dollar+ "exits" (an acquisition or IPO).
This somewhat odd scenario means that VCs are often investing in "long shots" to be huge, rather than low-risk bets for more reasonable exits (for example, an 80% chance of exiting for $150 million is not nearly as interesting as a 10% chance of exiting for $1 billion). As an entrepreneur, particularly a first-time startup guy who has $3,000 in his checking account, an orange scooter and a small apartment, the incentive is completely the reverse. Fred Wilson wrote a bit about this disparity in his post on Swinging for the Fences.
In order to be appealing to a venture investor, especially those with larger fund sizes ($300 million+), a company must be able to show a credible path to that $1 billion+ exit. Since the average VC-backed exit is actually something under $100 million, it’s a bit of a "wink, wink; nod, nod" game. Both parties recognize that a more likely outcome is something far lower, but the "sell" has to include the envision-able path to hundreds of millions in annual revenue that can yield those tremendous exits. Again, I'll point to Fred, who wrote about the Venture Capital Math Problem (and a Part 2).
Building the Pitch
You can read a lot more about the catalysts for fundraising on my post – My Startup Experience: VC, Entrepreneurship, Self-Analysis & the Road Ahead – so I’m going to dive right into the process for creating a pitch deck.
We started with a lot of great advice and direction from entrepreneurs who’d been down this road before and also got terrific help from the partners at Ignition, for whom we delivered a "mock" pitch and collected feedback that helped push us in some smart directions. As a base, we used the model promoted by VentureHacks and sprinkled in bits liberally from Dave McClure's excellent How to Pitch a VC deck and Guy Kawasaki's - Perfecting Your Pitch (PDF).
The process itself involved sheets of paper affixed to a large wall, which we'd then swap around, tear up, mark up with pens and generally treat like a post-it-note fight. We started with blank paper that we'd draw on, then began creating real slides in Powerpoint. It was fun - exhilirating and stressful, yes, but also exciting. We were going to raise millions of dollars, put that money to work and build incredible product and an amazing revenue stream.
Before we did that, we had to get beaten up a bit first. I mentioned that we gave a test-run pitch of the deck to the board at Ignition Partners (our first-round investors). We also privately delivered the pitch to a handful of CEOs and angel investors, hoping to garner feedback and assistance (these weren't serious attempts to raise money, as we weren't seeking an angel-type deal). The great part is, we really did get beat up. I have pages and pages of notes from meetings where I showed the pitch to other entrepreneurs and got feedback ranging from "this is almost perfect, just tweak X" to "you need to start completely from scratch, and here's the deck I used to raise $XY millions in my last round."
I'm going to come back to this again below, but the generosity of time, energy and prior work (even stuff that's usually very private) from other startup CEOs and entrepreneurs was absolutely remarkable. I found none of the closed-door mentality or brash indifference I expected, especially in Silicon Valley. Founders and CEOs, who had multi-million dollar businesses to run would take hours out of their days to have lunch, walk through the deck, and introduce us to VCs they knew. I've rarely known so much goodwill from people who have so many demands on their time.
The Pitch Itself
Let's get to the meat and potatoes, as I'm sure by now you're hungry :-)
The "elevator pitch" sounded something like:
SEO is huge - every site on the web is doing it or wants to be. But the process is broken - it's hard to learn, hard to measure, hard to know what's working and far more art than science. We are going to build software that helps transform SEO into a mainstream marketing activity, the way analytics software (Urchin, Omniture, etc.) did for web visitor reporting or email software (iContact, ExactTarget) did for email marketing.
Unfortunately, I'm not going to share the exact deck we used, nor all the details from it. Transparent though I love to be, there's a lot of information and data points that aren't fit for public consumption. It's less that I believe any of this data could be used to materially harm us and more that we've made promises to our investors and board to keep this stuff internal for now. I will say this - while I believed strongly in the deck when we first created it, that confidence was somewhat eroded by the end of the process. In late September, for example, I think I could have done a far better job crafting and delivering the pitch than when I gave my first one in July (only 60 days before).
Below, you'll find a modified version of the original pitch deck (we later crafted many customized versions with slides particular VCs wanted to see). It doesn't include things like a P&L statement or specific customer retention/churn/lifetime value metrics, but hopefully it will still be valuable and interesting.
Since I didn't include revenue/profit numbers in this deck (and it's hard to get a sense for how a potential investor might perceive this without it), I've included some non-specific growth charts below, illlustrating the top-line numbers in a profit-and-loss statement:
I've also left out some portions of our very large appendix. The appendix, in fact, was one of the most interesting parts of the deck. When we started the process, it was 5-6 slides with additional information about market size, importance, some detailed stats on membership, lifetime customer value calculations, etc. A month into the process, it was nearly 30 slides, attacking every question, problem or issue that had been raised in meetings where we didn't have an immediate solid answer or data point. I really believe that the VC process is all backwards in this fashion. The pitching company should:
- Have an introductory call to see if there's interest
- Attend a sit down meeting with a partner or two, some associates and a dilgent notetaker to get all the questions, concerns and issues on the table
- Go back home, make a great deck that addresses the things the VCs care about
- Come back and give the formal pitch
Instead, many pitch meetings at the beginning made us feel like amateurs and it was only at the end of the process that we felt more comfortable tackling any question thrown our way (mostly because we'd heard nearly all of them before). In my opinion, venture capital shouldn't be about who has the most experience pitching, or who can deliver the best pitch, but about who has the most exciting, interesting company. In the current model, it feels like 80% sizzle (pitch) and 20% steak (company).
Then again, what do I know about the VC process? I got lucky in my mid-twenties, landed a bit of capital, and have never invested or even studied the venture model the way the professionals have. Perhaps ability to pitch and success of company are well correlated metrics or at least, indicative of company performance. I'll leave that to those more knowledgable on the topic.
In any case, now that we had this story to tell (the pitch deck), we needed an audience.
Getting Introduced to Venture Capitalists
I initially presumed that our investors (Kelly & Michelle) would drive this process of introductions and networking, but in reality, this is apparently a suboptimal methodology. Michelle explained (and many others concurred) that entrepreneurs themselves provide the best introductions. Thus, it was my task to find other founders & CEOs who would provide positive connections to the investor community. Outside of Ignition, I knew virtually no one in that sphere, so this would be my first formidable challenge.
Thankfully, the entrepreneur community was incredibly kind – generous to a fault, actually. Busy CEOs of important startups took time away from their jobs to sit down for coffee with me, buy me lunch, take me to dinner, review the pitch deck we’d built, give advice and make introductions to a very impressive set of folks in the VC world. In exchange, I did the best I could to help them with SEO, and we hosted a number of great companies at our offices in Seattle for hour-long SEO reviews. It will be hard to thank everyone here, but I’ll do my best:
- Seth Besmertnik from Conductor
- Dion Lim & Gautam Godhwani from SimplyHired
- Jeremy Stoppleman from Yelp
- Dave Goldberg from SurveyMonkey
- Alex Schultz from Facebook
- Barnaby Dorfman from Foodista
- David Niu from BuddyTV
- Jonathan Sposato from Picnik
- Trevor Traina from Driverside
- T.A. McCann from Gist
- Merril Brown from Curious Office
- Nirav Tolia from Fanbase
- Mike Cassidy from Ruba
- Maria Thomas from Etsy
- Nathan Kaiser from nPost
I’m indebted to all of these great folks and I can only hope that the SEO help we provided to many of them has returned some of that.
However, this part of the process is also where we made our first big misstep. Explaining will take a bit of background.
SEOmoz’s business model is what’s generally called "self-service SaaS." Similar to most SaaS companies, we sell software in a subscription/licensing type of model and, as has become common in the last few years, do it "in the cloud" (meaning we don’t install software; everything’s run remotely over the web). However, we're very different from traditional "SaaS" in that we have no sales team. There isn't a single person at SEOmoz whose job title or description includes sales (though, technically, if Gillian and I had descriptions, "sales" might be part of that).
Our business model and margins might result in an acquisition price (sale of the company) of between 3-6X trailing revenue, depending on the market circumstances, growth rates, strategic importance, etc. This is massively favorable to consulting revenue, which typically garners 1-1.5X. Put another way:
- An SEO consulting business sale price (assuming $5 million in trailing revenue) = $5-7.5 million
- An SEO self-service SaaS business sale price (assuming $5 million in trailing revenue) = $15-30 million
It's no surprise that investors are far more interested in these "scalable" business models that have higher exit multipliers. This is a big reason why you rarely ever see venture or angel capital flowing into consulting firms. The margins on a consulting business hover between 40-55%. Margins in software get closer to 80%+ and scale isn't proportionally tied to cost (in most consulting businesses, the more you want to make, the more consultants you need to hire).
In our situation, a VC in the B-round would be likely to get something between 15-20% ownership in the company (depending on valuation, amount in, etc). Let's look at a chart that helps explain why we messed up from a strategic standpoint in the introductions process:
Doing the math, even at the high end of the revenue/exit numbers, the VC is making 15% x $450 million = $67.5 million. If you have a $300 million fund and invest in 20 companies, you need at least 6 and hopefully 7-8 of those to hit in that range. The odds say that 10 of those companies will go under, 8 will have much more modest outcomes and 1-2 will return the lion's share. Thus, big fund VCs are going to be seeking portfolio investments that address multi-billion dollar markets and have a shot at that massive IPO/acquisition.
A smart entrepreneur would look at this ahead of time and specifically chase venture capital firms with small-moderate fund sizes. Unfortunately, we didn't plan ahead intelligently on this, and thus talked to many folks with funds between $100-500million. At those levels, it's the 1/20 or 1/50 billion dollar+ exits that bring all the returns for the VC. They're not seeking a reasonable bet on a company that has an long-shot, outside chance at a $500 million exit. They want 20 or 30 companies with 1 in 20 or 1 in 30 chances to go all the way to that billion dollar acquisition or IPO.
Our introductions came streaming in very unstrategically. I met with lots of entreprenuers and people in the tech community, who put me in touch, usually via an email introduction, to a partner at a firm. We'd exchange a couple emails to set up a time to talk, chat for 15-45 minutes (sometimes longer) and then schedule an in-person meeting for the next time I was in their area. Those introductions didn't come all at once - in the first 30 days of actively pursuing introductions, I had ~10 calls. Then, over the next 40 days, more and more introductions would roll in from people I'd connected with in the past couple months, and those would turn into calls and meetings.
I talked to entrepreneurs who were much more strategic and exacting about their introductions process (and plenty who followed a similar pattern to what I did). In hindsight, it wasn't perfect, but I did get to meet a tremendous number of very impressive investors and get their feedback.
The Meeting Process
During our fundraising experience, we connected with a lot of VCs. I've taken a screenshot of the the firms we talked to below (from my Google spreadsheet file on the subject), though I won't go into more detail about who from each firm we talked to or how far along we progressed with each of them. I think there's an expectation of privacy most VCs have, and I want to respect that. BTW - I'm not listing every single firm we talked to, but this is a more-than-representative sample and hopefully fulfills our core value of transparency.
Initially, we were very excited and I'll try to explain why. When starting out, our expectations (thanks to both advice from other entrepreneurs and via blog posts/articles the web) were that 10-20% of phone calls would lead to first meetings , a few of these might turn into partner meetings and we'd hopefully get a term sheet or two at the end. Instead, the funnel looked like this:
As you can see, we had phone calls with 40 firms, and had a surprisingly high conversion rate to first meetings, which had us initially enthusiastic. VCs are notoriously busy, and scheduling time with them is often a massive challenge. To have such a high percentage of firms interested in such a dour climate made us believe we could buck the trend. Unfortunately, it also meant lots of time we needed to invest in preparing for, and in most cases, flying out of Seattle for in-person meetings.
The entire process from the first call I had with a partner (on June 18th) to the time we stopped actively pursuing funding (September 30th) was 93 days. In that time I made 5 separate round trips to San Francisco, which adds up in hotel, airfare and car rentals. Raising money takes time, resources and a tremendous amount of energy, not just from the founder/CEO, but from the entire team. Adam & Matt were consistently pulled away from day-to-day and strategic work to create and refine the product demo. Sarah, Christine & our accountants labored to provide detailed financials. Jeff often had to postpone critical work items to make custom queries against our members database to pull an obscure metric about recitivism, churn or usage.
The meetings themselves are fascinating. I'll be honest - the first few were completely intimidating and overwhelming. Like most times in life when you're nervous, it wasn't until I stopped worrying and (very nearly) stopped caring, that I got good at the process.
You arrive at a nondescript, but very well-adorned office building, almost all of them on Sand Hill Road in Menlo Park. An assistant, who is nearly always young, female, very attractive and somewhat cold (though there were a number of exceptions), greets you in the front room and will offer a beverage. I typically waited only 5-10 minutes, though a few times it was 20 minutes or more, after which I'd be escorted into a meeting room with a place to plug in my laptop to a projector or screen. VC offices provide free wifi (though I always brought my AT&T aircard just in case) and are designed to impress - expensive furnishings and artwork, placards showing the successful companies they've backed and the massive IPOs/exits those companies had.
The VCs themselves ran the gamut, from friendly, approachable and jovial to overly serious, harsh and distant. Intentionally or unintentionally, they all have some emotional walls up, which I believe are out of necessity and certainly don't begrudge. If you're meeting with dozens of entrepreneurs every week, you can't get personally attached or build close relationships with even a fraction of them, especially if you're not going to make an investment. It's a very different experience from the many hundreds of other meetings I've had in my professional career, where establishing rapport and working in a mutually positive fashion is the norm. VCs need to drill down on specifics, call out your flaws, explain what they don't like and gloss over a lot of positives in the process. A typical partner meeting lasts precisely one hour, and in my experience, that rarely deviated (a few times we ran over, and more than a few times things started late).
Second meetings are often pretty similar in format, though there's typically more than one partner from the VC firm in attendance, as well as an associate or two. I also found that it was extremely helpful to bring Sarah Bird (SEOmoz's COO and a guru when it comes to our financials) as well as Nick Gerner and/or Ben Hendrickson (who convincingly play the role of "way smarter about technology than anyone else in the room") to these meetings. They'd sometimes be a bit longer, and would almost always request a much greater degree of detail, as well as significant "objections" to the investment, which were frequently presented as challenges we were intended to conquer using slides, data and verbal acuity.
Following both first and second meetings would be the impossible-to-parse "thanks, we'll be in touch." We'd take guesses about which VCs were actually interested and would follow up vs. those who'd email to say "no thanks" or simply never communicate again (the latter bothered me at first, but once you realize it's just part of the accepted cultural practice, it's fine). Surprisingly, we were never good at this. We'd often mistakenly think one VC was interested when they weren't and vice versa. They're a notoriously hard-to-read bunch, perhaps intentionally.
I have a much tougher time presenting a representative partner meeting, as we only had two. They almost always take place on Monday, though, and you're often back-to-back scheduled with pitches from other entrepreneurs. A larger, board-style meeting room will be filled with all of the firm's partners and you'll present the same pitch you made to the first partner to this group. Questions can get a bit strange if my experience is any guide - tangents and off-topic discussions come into play and it seems to be up to the entrepreneurs to keep things on track. I think this happens because in any given partner meeting, a good number of the partners won't be familiar with your industry, company or technology, and may not even be interested. I imagine that if you specialize in clean-tech investments, listening to an SEOmoz pitch can get a bit boring, and you might, naturally, focus on the one or two areas you know something or have heard something about.
I will say that my experience with the vast majority of VCs we saw was not nearly as negative as what Fred Destin wrote about in his posts for VentureHacks - The Arrogant VC: Why VCs are Disliked by Entrepreneurs and Part 2. Certainly a few of these traits came out, but by and large, I felt these were responsible, talented, experienced individuals doing a hard job the best they could and putting forward both a serious effort and respect for me, my company and my time.
For a completely alternate perspective on what it was like for my wife, who accompanied me on 2 of my 5 fundraising trips, check out A little more than 24 Hours in Palo Alto and San Francisco. I do wholeheartedly recommend someone who loves you unconditionally and pretends to be unable to identify a single flaw in you, your company or your pitch, supporting you in the VC process. It can get very lonely and emotionally turbulent.
What Worked & What Didn’t
When it came time to analyze the results, we tried our best to aggregate feedback, both positive and negative, for our board meetings back in Seattle. Early on, we focused on refining the pitch, but we were (I think uncommonly) stubborn about changing our business plan or product roadmap significantly to suite investors' opinions. We felt (and feel) strongly about the direction we want to pursue, and that may have been perceived negatively by some (though I know it was a positive to at least one investor who talked to us afterwards).
Following any "no" response, including a "no answer" within a couple weeks following the meeting, I'd email and ask for a phone call to discuss. 60%+ of the VCs we had met in person took those calls and explained to us some of their reasons for rejecting the investment. I'd specifically ask what they liked, what they didn't and what they recommended for us to improve. I was both impressed and grateful to receive a number of thoughtful, honest answers, and encountered only a couple of folks who clearly didn't remember our pitch or company well enough to provide a cogent response.
Some of the things the VCs generally liked:
- The Self-Service SaaS Business Model - although there were a few dissenters who thought we should pursue a more classic SaaS business with tele-sales would be better, most were supportive of the self-service methodology.
- The Community & Userbase - that's you! Great work, gang :-)
- The Marketing/Sales Funnel - investors tended to like the freemium/content model that attracted potential customers at a low marketing cost
- The Technology Achievements - nearly all of the VCs with technical backgrounds were impressed by what we'd achieved with the Linkscape web index and ranking models work, particularly on such a small amount of capital.
Unfortunately, there wasn't a clear winner in the reasons VCs didn't want to make an investment. I did, however, make a quick chart noting which reasons were most frequently given by the investors for why chose against us:
It's important to note that many of the VCs who said no that we followed up with gave multiple reasons for the decision. Some of these we found very reasonable and agreed with, others we struggled with. The most perturbing by far were the few folks who came back and said they didn't like to back the consulting revenue model and would be more interested once we were more product-focused. When I'd explain that we had 80%+ of revenue for the past three years coming from the self-service SaaS product, awkward silences would follow. Still, these are investors who likely talk to hundreds of companies each year, so it must be incredibly challenging to keep things straight - and it speaks to our need to move away from consulting in our branding and perception.
The Final Outcome
It's likely very obvious at this point that we didn't receive term sheets or offers to fund. In actuality, that's not technically the case - we did have firms interested, just not a the relatively high pre-money valuation numbers we sought. As you can see in the graphic above, there were a number of VCs who may have offered us terms at a lower valuation, though it's hard to say for certain.
The reason we went in with a high valuation "ask" goes back to the very beginning of the post. From the founders' perspective (and those of employee shareholders), an exit has to be judged through the lens of ownership percentages. If I or Gillian or Sarah owned, for example 50% of SEOmoz's shares (none of us do - this is just an example), in a $20 million exit, we'd make $10 million. If venture capital comes in and dilutes that to 35% ownership, that number drops to $7 million in the same exit scenario. Hence, every owner of SEOmoz shares has a vested interest in seeing the final exit price reach the highest possible figure while maintaining the lowest possible level of dilution.
My understanding is that it's very unorthodox to present a minimum pre-money valuation to investors prior to a term sheet. I believe this is because you're potentially "laying too many cards on the table" and you may actually be hurting yourself if the VCs planned to offer a higher pre-money figure. We did it both because we like to be transparent and because we hoped to prevent ourselves from wasting time with investors who couldn't meet our minimums. Our hope was that by giving that number in the first conversation (over the phone) and in the initial pitch deck, we'd achieve similar results as those we had in the past by publishing our prices for consulting - reduce the target market size and improve the quality.
I tell this story about our VC experience to a lot of people - it seems to be a subject that attracts great curiousity and I, of course, love to share. Most of the time, folks follow up by asking "are you disappointed?" and my answer has been the same since October. I'm not disappointed we didn't get funded. In fact, the more time passes and the more I think about the pitfalls that could have come with another round of investment, additional board members and pressure to reach $75-$100 million in annual revenue, the more I'm glad we didn't. However, I do regret the decision to seek funding - it cost our team countless days and weeks of productivity, took our eyes off our primary goal of delighting our members and customers and, in the end, was a learning experience with a shockingly high cost.
That said, I do think we learned a tremendous amount and really helped clarify the vision internally and to our existing board members and investors about where this company is going and what our roadmap looks like. We had dozens of smart, analytical, experienced investors reviewing our plans and ideas, and we received a lot of very positive feedback. Nearly everyone we encountered had positive things to say about the business' future, regardless of investment, and I'm glad we were able to be in a situation where we could turn venture funding down. I have friends here in Seattle and in the Bay Area who didn't have that luxury - who HAD to get funded, no matter the cost, because their company's future and employees depended on it. That's a burden I don't wish on anyone, and I hope more and more startups are finding ways to live lean and do more with less.
So, it's 3:45am and I've been working on this post on and off since before the holidays. There's so much more I want to add, but I think I'll leave that up to you. If you have questions I can answer, PLEASE post them in the comments and I'll do my best to incorporate that material into the post as it makes sense. Thanks for all the support, kindness and patience - I hope this has been valuable.
p.s. In Summer 2011, we once again were seduced by the promise of outside investment and had another not-so-great experience with VC funding you can read here.
Rand, what a fabulous post. I think the community will find it well worth the time you spent writing it -- even if you felt like it took too long to write. It was certainly worth the time to read.
Although I have never been involved with a company that sought VC funding, I found your slide deck incredibly interesting & now understand why analysts can charge so much to VC firms and statistical/demographic companies can charge so much for their data. When there's millions and billions of dollars on the line, $10K or $20K seems like pennies.
I must say, I am a bit surprised that you are so hungry for funding. Especially after hearing Dharmesh speak at the Mozinar -- man was he a great speaker! -- about the desirability of bootstrapping as long as possible.
You, and the team over the years, built a great brand, and while consulting revenues are obviously not as scalable or desirable from an exit perspective, I do believe that had you built up a consulting team of 5-6 people exclusively focused on SEO at $400 - $500/hr, and let it be known that you were actively seeking clients, many more large companies would not have batted an eye at hiring you. You probably could have achieved a million dollars in revenue in a few months to fund additional devs for Jeff and Nick, though maybe that still wouldn't have been fast enough for you.
Regardless, I am pleased to see that Pro has worked out so well for you & while I am probably in agreement with the VC's that SEO may not be a $billion+ dollar market, the potential for you and the team to build a consistent annual profit stream in the tens of millions is absolutely there. Best of luck in achieving it!
Good points all, David.
I didn't post a tremendous amount of information about why we were seeking investment capital, nor why we chose not to bootstrap the amount with consulting revenue. I should try to get those in there.
With regards to consulting, I will say that scaling that part of the business to produce millions in revenue is exceptionally hard. Consulting isn't easy - and finding 1 or 2 high quality individuals to help with the practice is extremely challenging, nevermind an entire cadre. Consulting is also dilutive to our brand - I've talked to a lot of people in the industry who think of SEOmoz as a consulting business. Because of that, they may never have heard of PRO, or looked into our software side and we've even heard from folks that they're concerned about joining PRO because they think it's just an upsell on the path to consulting. I think it's something we need to move away from to be successful in the software business.
Regarding Dharmesh - he did give a great talk and I think he's right that for 99% of businesses, bootstrapping is a far superior option, particularly given the current VC raising climate. On the other hand, Dharmesh himself has raised in excess of $33 million for his company :-)
Interesting to read the reasons mentioned for not funding.
Rand, Atlassian co-founder Mike Cannon-Brookes made some interesting comments that may be of interest to you, since the challenges their business model faced (self service bug tracking software) are very similar to the challenges SEOmoz face:"We saw that it [enterprise software] was very expensive – $100,000 plus – and had a high cost of sales because sales people earned large commissions. We wanted to redefine that so the average sale would cost US$3000 to $3500 and we’d have no outbound sales people.
To do that, we came up with five principles:
Source: March 08 Playford Capital Entrepreneur breakfastSounds familiar, doesn't it? In that context, how does SEOmoz fare?
More random thoughts:
Industry awareness
There are three main competitors in your space yet overall, the search industry itself has a low brand awareness. Compare that to the awareness for bug tracking. Almost every enterprise I know that has developers uses bug tracking software to some extent. And there are a lot more developers than there are search marketers...
Industry size and potential (VCs that feel SEO doesn't exist as a marketing practice in the long term)
The issue of SEOmoz reaching $1B valuation is correlated to size of the search industry. Search marketing is a rather low quantity profession. However, as Atlassian's JIRA evolved from its bug tracking roots into an issue tracking and project management tool, I believe SEO toolsets can evolve beyondproviding SEO insight to offering more valuable and broader business insight. Perhaps Linkscape can be applied to other datasets (eg. graph relationships in social networks)?
Thanks Rand and good luck to the Moz - I'm glad that the core tenet of transparency lives on at the Moz. This epic post could easily have been a SEOmoz Pro article and I'm sure people would willingly paid for its valuable breadth and scope.
shor Sales commissions is a tough subject to find anyyy info on (unless u guys know of places that would be great)
You guys ever/find here or as in Rand's case or anyother cases you might hear/heard of - do you guys find vcs and investors uncomfortable with pitch decks that include Sales commisions in cogs, to determine a cost and thus sale price? has anyone ever seen vcs/ais investors get choked when they see this?
@Rand
I kind of feel link I'm the guy with the orange scooter today. I've bookmarked this (exceptionally informative) post for a few years time.
A great post Rand, and a brave one to write. It doesn't just provide transparency about the VC process (sharing information and advice that may not be so easy to find elsewhere) but the transparency around SEOmoz's internal thinking and future plans are very interesting and really appreciated by the community. Can't wait to read more about your software that will put SEO in the hands of more people.
Great Post Rand,
Looking forward to discussing some alternatives that have been successfully used to grow both ExactTarget and Compendium.
Many ways to skin this cat.
Best,
Chris Baggott
Co-founder/CEO Compendium
Co-founder ExactTarget
Amazing! At the same time Rand answers emails in a minute and is always there to help! I wish you raise twice as much money you expect, because you deserve it for every penny!
its not about raising twice the amount of money that you are going for, unless its at the same level of equity in the company, which frankly it isnt going to be.
However: This Rand is one of your best articles to date!
The company that I work in is funded by a half dozen or so of the worlds largest tech VC's, and our "sister" companies read like a who's who of online megaliths, certainly daunting when you have to stand in those ivory tower meeting rooms that you elegantly described in your post.
Thanks again Rand for this article, great reading and worthy of its own bookmark in my browser ;-)
MOGmartin
Thanks for taking the time to write the article. I've been wondering about this for a long while :)
Great post Rand. I found it interesting not only because it gives an insight about the process of finding VC to partner with, but also because it can be used as it was one of the Pro Guides. To learn from other experiences is always useful, even though here in Spain things are little bit different, as there's not such a culture of VC and Angels.
For someone as me who is still in the beginning of his own SEO company (my scooter is a Vespa, blue one not yellow), in Spain to start a business is more a bank stuff, in the sense that here the real "VC" has to be considered them (Banco Santander, BBVA, La Caixa...). All of them have a Business & Investment Dpt. where young entrepreneurs can try to sell their great idea. Mostly the procedure is the same, but the "atmosphere" can even be colder than the one you described, as they are almost totally 'ignorant' about the SEO matter, even if - in my last informal talks - I see a general interest about all can be web marketing.
The problem with the banks as VC is that their own 'liquidity' problem due to the global crisis...
Then, here in Spain, a great role has the State with its Funds for entrepreneurs. Usually a startup is not going to obtain big money with this kind of funds, but enough to move its firm steps in the market.
Finally.... I'm glad to be Pro and to have given my grain of contribution to the SEOmoz success, as I know that your success will return to me with better products and services... which means greater smiles from my clients.
What a great post, Rand. It's excellent of you to be so transparent on a topic that is generally not written about in such depth or honesty.
Having been through two rounds of VC financing I can empathize with the emotionally draining aspect of the process. It's exhausting to be on your "A Game" with a succession of so many accomplished people, while travelling a ton and, oh by the way, running a startup.
What makes it especially hard is the "wall" you refer to. The VCs see so many deals and general don't give signals along the way of how they are feeling about your pitch. I kept a score card of pitches I thought went well vs those that didn't and it was a good laugh back at the office; pitches I felt we'd rocked it fell flat, and we got term sheets when I felt it bombed (imagine partners walking out of your pitch half way through the meeting, then getting a term sheet 12 hours later...it happened to me)
-Joe
currentlyobsessed.com
We may be separated by the Atlantic Ocean, Rand, but the experience is much the same. I've spent years on the fundraising trail and have put a massive effort in during the last year or so which now seems to be drawing us closer to a satisfactory conclusion.
But, as you so accurately describe, the effort required to get to the starting line can be unvelievably demanding and distracting for all concerned. While there's a lot of brilliant advice here for entrepreneurs, perhaps there are some pointers also for VCs.
Part of being an entrepreneur is keeping going and finding the right solution for our businesses. Glad to see after all your hard work you reached the right decision for your business, Rand.
Thanks for a superb post,
Alan
A great article - thank you.
It reminded me that this is a great time to be an independent minded, slightly contrarian investor willing to invest beyond a single geographical area.
As we all know there are a limited number of ideas but an even more limited number of people with the energy, experience, connections and sheer refusal to quit to create necessary to build a successful enterprise - and those people could indeed be in Silicon Valley but equally in Boston, Chicago or here in snowy London!
Rand,
Having gone through much of this for my own company right as the DotCom collapsed in 2000 (at least we got that initial seed funding), and having served on a number of advisory boards for other startups over the years, I need to say this is the most well written, honest and beyond generous sharing of the VC process I've seen in a long time.
The fact that you took the time (we watched your tweets as you torched through the wee hours of the night) you did, given your beyond full plate, speaks volumes of your love for the search community. And reaffirms why you truly deserve all the success in the world.
Wow... I rarely keep reading long posts but this one I read till the end (even when it costed me 20 minutes).
I can not tell too much about our own experiences with potential investments but I can tell you that your conclusion fits ours totally.
Great job Rand :)
Phenomenal post Rand. You make me feel lucky to be part of the project. And, I think the way things worked out is for the best. Congrats.
Kelly Smith
Curious Office
Great post Rand, Having been through this process personally last year, a lot of this rings true and i can completely understand how you felt!
This has also made me think about a couple of different ways to use our investment in different areas such as technology and additional services rather than just for startup costs, thanks for being so open with your information!
Absolutely enlightened post Rand, Thanks. I'm in the process of building my own Company and finding the right partnerts and money to finance it. This post definitelly shows me a road to follow, it also raises in me many questions. Yeezzzz... now I won´t be able to sleep but a couple hours every day...
By the way I´m reading now "Good to Great", what a great reading for those of us in the process of starting a Company or wanting to improve management skills.
Great tale of your experience with the VC process and thanks for sharing.
As an employee in a startup I can attest to the fact that our CEO and other executives spent a majority of their time wrapped up in the funding process. Their tireless effort is very much appreciated and needed to keep the vision of the company scaling forward. I'm sure you hear that sentiment from your employees.
Great post, Rand. The biggest thing is that you didn't need the funding, which gave you the luxury of presenting a high minimum pre-money valuation, and to walk away when there was no good match. Nothing quite like running a profitable & growing business, with people you love, doing something you love. I'm happy for you and your team. And thanks for sharing this whole experience.
Great post. Thanks for taking the time to write it and to answer all the follow-up questions.
Revenue is too dependent on consulting is the best reason to don't ask venture capital in SEO business...thanks SEO.
Great, open, honest post.
What do the colors in the VC list represent?
They meant something at the time, but as they'd change frequently, it's not quiet usable data (nor something I can share). Good eye though! :-)
Woooooooooooooow, what a post! Rand, I wonder where you get the energy for all this.
Oh! Great, these kinds of sites are really helpful for searching good and useful stuff Thanks for this informative site.
Barbara
Good on you Rand
SEOmoz have help excel my SEO skills and uncover certain Algorithms over the past year and i definately wish for a big 2010 to your team.
Looking forward to your next post
@Rand thanks for one of your best posts, and again i'm impressed that even with all this going on, you always have time to talk to people at conferences and provide some basic mentoring to those who take the time to listen to you.
Good luck in 2010 and all the best
This post stands out for me because it demonstrates exactly the kind of transparency that has made SEOMoz great and popular. Very few companies or individuals possess the courage or the lack of ego to be this open. Rand didn't have to share this information with us. It's only obliquely related to SEO. But it's fascinating and everyone who reads it receives value.
I strive for this type of openness and generosity in my own business endeavors. I try to incorporate the SOEMoz philosophy of transparency into my own online practice. But alas, I usually fall short.
On a side note, this post disturbed me because just when I was beginning to think Rand was just a regular guy - the type of guy I could go have a beer with on a Wednesday night at the Elysian Brewery - it turns out he's some sort of Warren Buffet of high finance, flying around the country in his Lear Jet, accumulating more frequent flier miles than George Clooney, rubbing elbows with the power brokers of the American capitol system. I am so intimidated.
I will admit that going the VC route definitely makes you feel like a high roller or, in my case, like a guy who has no business meeting a bunch of people who clearly are in that category.
I still have never owned a car or a house, never had 5 figures in all my bank accounts combined, never flown in a private jet (flown first class 3X now, though I've never paid for it) and never spent more than $5K on any one thing (most expensive item I've ever purchased was my wife's engagement ring). Someday, things might change, but for now, if you're buying the beer, I'll totally be there :-)
From my point of view,
- Oops ... you are a technical person. Techies generally are not good in presentation as they stick with data, reality and honesty.- SEO business is human specific rather than process or software specific. Real value of company is YOU. If you face an accident, company value goes down a lot. So very risky investment.- I hope and wish SEOmoz can make 75m by 2014 but frankly I have doubts. SEO community is not very big and membership charges are low to reach the target.
However, I believe, there is a big big potential making millions with SEO+internet and that too don't require much investment. YOU guys don't need any VC (your collegues will love this line).
Note: 1. My views might be wrong as I am not seo pro. seo is my hobby only.2. Keep that ring in safe bank locker please. :)
Thanks Rand for the information. It takes a lot of courage to be as transparent as you were.
Great read, thanks! Words to the wise that fundraising can be a waste of valuable time.
Great post Rand, and a real eye opener for the uninitiated.
Really great candid insight - thank you for being so open in sharing your experiences. In a previous role, I advised companies on raising VC and only wish I could have worked with people who put the same amount of dedication and insight into preparing a credible pitch and approach. I think you have laid out a lot of powerful insights for others to follow in your approach and openness.
Having spoken to you throughout this process, I think this represents the rollercoaster pretty accurately. I'll just echo the sentiments that I'm glad you've found a model that clearly works, a lack of need for another round and are all back focussing 100% on the business. A superb, interesting post - even for me - and I knew a lot of the content already from our private conversations.
Great post Rand! As someone who's been through that process already not only is the content great but your transparency is remarkable. Kudos to you and your team.
Your experience meet ours. As a personal experience, trying to raise VC money is a good one but it's also a big (direct and indirectly) waste of time and money where only a lucky few succeed.
I still usually recommend people to skip it and focus on building a company through profitable growth. You're then more focused and have better chance to succeed. Very very few players get a good batting average trying to swing for the fence.
Keep on your and your team's great work. You're sitting on something great!
As always Rand, alot of useful information for me to think about (^_^)...Thanks
Great post Rand! I enjoyed the in-depth look at your fundraising attempt and playing the VC game.
How many work days approx. did you spend prepping and pitching? An alternate route would have been to go through a boutique investment bank and had them spend the time doing all of the research and polishing the pitch for you.
I think that since the SEO world doesn't have any large ($1BB+) dominant players that an acquisition exit would be unlikely for the current business model.
Yeah - I think the fact that there were no examples of successful large exits from the marketing software automation field (excluding Omniture, Salesforce, etc. who aren't niche specific) certainly added a challenge.
We didn't look at using an investment bank, though I suspect it wouldn't have taken much of the workload off the table (might have made us more polished, though). I'd say we invested ~70ish days of my effort between June - October and another 40+ combined from everyone else internally.
Very interesting, especially for the future. It sounds like a very intimidating process. I find it interesting that local geography was a major reason for not investing.
I guess it really does pay to be in Silicon Valley.
We actually had a few of the VCs ask us if we'd be willing to move to Silicon Valley. They weren't shy about noting that they'd be more interested in funding if we did so.
I think it makes some sense - at an early stage, investors want to "keep tabs" on things fairly closely and that's much easier if you're nearby. It also means you can far better leverage your network (one of the VC's most powerful forms of helping companies) with local resources, hires, introductions, etc.
We've talked about this in person, but it bears repeating.
1) Many VCs don't like to do B rounds. The rationale is that the "price" they need to pay is disproportionate to the risk still in the business. They'd rather do "A" rounds (though much higher risk, the potential rewards are greater) or do later rounds.
2) Geography is a major issue.
The combination (trying to raise a B round outside of your geography) is particularly tough. We ran into some of the same issues in our B round as well.
Thanks for a great article. It's humbling to see this level of contribution to the startup community.
I think the geography thing is a joke. Look, who is going to argue that Seattle isn't an amazing place for startups.
there was over $200 million in VC money that went to Indianapolis this year. One of the origional promisies of the internet was the freedom from georgraphic constraints.
The Silicon Valley thing puzzled me too. Surely because SEO is an online practice, it doens't matter where you are located?
Two points:
Wishing you well -
When speaking to VCs, is it difficult to negotiate a salary or do they just give you some equity that you cash out when the company sells?
usually it's not difficult to negotiate salary. Keep in mind two things:
One: any money you pay yourself is money that doesn't go into the business so you and your board need to weigh the benefits of paying you that extra 100 vs. hiring another developer or couple of salespeople. Big salary demands are a red flag that you might not have confidence in the future big picture.
Two: VC's invest in management and execution...they don't want to run companies, they want you to run the company and in that they want to make sure that you are comfortably motivated so you can focus. If you are worried about your mortgage or childcare bills....have to have a second job you are distracted. They don't want you distracted.
Good answer. You never want to put yourself ahead of the business, but must be practical.
Been really looking forward to this post Rand. Thanks for the excellent details. Gotta go share with the boss. Cheers.
This is an amazing post that really explains all the nitty gritty stuff so that anyone can understand it and get a better grasp for the VC world. After reading this, I kind of feel like a shareholder in a public company because of the transparecny and numbers that you provided. It's great that you are willing to divulge all of this to us.
My only question is how are you different from Hubspot, which seems to be a direct competitor of yours and a company that just raised another $13m in the same space?
A few of the VCs asked similar questions, but Hubspot and SEOmoz are actually partners in a number of ways, and very rarely compete directly (at least, in the opinion of both companies' founders) :-)
Hubspot is marketing automation software - they serve as your CMS, your web analytics and as a platform for all of inbound marketing activities for your site. Their price point is considerably higher, and sales are done via a telephone sales staff. They do have some SEO functionality in their product, but have generally focused more on other parts of web marketing in their software suite.
SEOmoz is focused on building an SEO platform - a software toolset that makes SEO easy to learn, easy to manage and easy to report results. I'd say we're much more niche and focused, while Hubspot is broader.
More direct Hubspot competitors might be companies like Marketo or Seattle's Optify. More direct SEOmoz competitors would be services like SEOBook membership or Raven SEO tools (both of which are terrific products, BTW).
Rand's right (of course).
HubSpot and SEOmoz have different target customers.
At HubSpot, we are focused on helping small businesses (usually B2B companies) get more leads with inbound marketing. As such, the offering is much broader -- and much less deep.
My guess is that most companies that have someone sophisticated enough to use SEOmoz are unlikely to be HubSpot customers. In most cases, we are educating our customers on just the basics of SEO.
with sites like VentureHacks.com, www.avc.com , www.bothsidesofthetable.com , and twitter profiles of so many VCs and investors who literally let us read their brain gives us a head start into the funding process for this decade.
grateful for this post Rand. with the right team there's no doubt you'll beat market expectations.
Rand
Thank you. That was terrific and extremely useful. The targeting piece in particular is not obvious and you nailed it.
Happy new year!
Giles
Thanks for sharing your experience on this journey. Great post!!
Wow Rand. This was a fantastic post. You come across very eloquently as well as extremely transparent. My hat is off to you amigo, for an absolutely brilliant post!
Excellent post, Rand! I can’t be sure because your post didn’t include the specifics on your revenue, requested valuation or exit strategy, but I doesn’t sound to me like your company is a fit to traditional VC financing.You did an excellent job of explaining why with your ‘math’ section.
If your capital structure is still relatively clean and if you have a reasonable exit timeline, I think you’d have a much higher probability of success with Angel investors.
I think that for smaller funds, we're a moderately good fit - revenue's a bit over $4mil for 2009 (as the slide deck noted), margins are 80%+ on the software business. The issue was really how could we get to $1 billion valuation (which would mean $100mil+ in annual revenue) for those much larger funds.
In terms of exit strategy, we're pretty classic - obvious acquirers would be the big ad agencies, prominent search technology companies, other marketing software companies (Adobe now that they've got Omniture for example or Salesforce), etc. We're pretty unlikely to be an IPO target, certainly.
Angels are another story - the valuations with angel investment is usually much lower and the participation and desire for control/involvement varies a bit wildly. We looked at it briefly, though I didn't dive deep. I had a number of advisors and folks I trusted tell me that we were wrong for an angel deal (particularly at the amounts we were trying to raise - $4-6 mil).
"Never say Never" my mother always said.
I recommend trying a couple of VC firms that really understand e- commerce and SEO importance. They are the investors behind the successful online art company art.com and allposters.com
Benchmark Capital : www.benchmark.com.
Polaris Ventures Partners: www.polarisventures.com.
We did talk to the folks at Benchmark, though possibly not the right partner (another big learning I didn't point out in the post, but probably should have). I didn't meet or talk to anyone from Polaris, though.
The firms I felt were most "savvy" around SEO were Accel, Union Square Ventures (the only place that actually has a full-time SEO on staff to help with analysis and assist portfolio companies) and Matrix (at least, the partner there, who'd been a previous SEOmoz client at the company he founded before becoming a VC).
Spot-on post, Rand...
Your post explains much to me about how the VC thingy works down there in the US.
Does make me wonder tho about parallels up here in Canada...and how we canucks would fare going cap-in-hand to Silicon Valley looking for VC money....as up here the press is full of stories that Canadian VCs have shut down the funding process almost completely.
Thanks for this Rand....muchly appreciated, eh!:-)Jim
You might try talking to Richard Zwicky from Enquisite. He raised $11 million+ for his SEO analytics software business, based in Victoria, BC. I'm not sure whether the Canadian geography helped or hurt, though I know he's personally moved (not sure if it's permanently or temporarily) to San Francisco.
It hurts to be in Canada Rand for several reasons...every Canadian company faces this dilemna. I have moved several companies south of the border on the insistence of the VC.
BTW, JVRudnick, raising money right now in Canada is near impossible.
In the first graph $12,000 Billion would be $12 Trillion. Don't think there's that much VC per quarter lol.
Good catch - sorry about that. I updated the chart, which should have been (and now is) "millions."
Having spent sometime dealing with the same headaches at the beginning of the century, I share your pain completely Rand. Thank you for the transparency.