In case you haven't seen the litany of content around the search marketing world regarding SEO standards, here's a short re-cap.
- The issue arose (this time around) when Danny Sullivan made Is it Time for Search Marketing Standards? a panel at SMX West in February. You can see the SERoundtable coverage here.
- In late March, Jill Whalen wrote what I personally felt was a very good post about why We Don't Need SEO Standards!
- Ian McAnerin chimed in on his blog with some fairly good refutation of Jill's points - Search Standards Part 1 and Part 2.
- Lisa Barone added her $0.03, saying We Do Need SEO Standards.
- Jessica Bowman took a bit of a different stance and suggested SEO standards on a company-wide, not industry-wide basis in her post Do You Need SEO Standards for Your Company?
- Various Sphinn discussion threads on the topic - here, here and here - have been fairly heated.
Since it's a royal pain to try to read all of that (even though I know those of you addicted to the drama of the search world surely will), I've excerpted some of my favorite arguments and quotes:
From Jill Whalen:
Every industry has their share of bad guys and good guys. Industry market forces and the search engines themselves will eventually dictate what best practices are and are not...
...For those who just don't get it, all the definitions and rules in the world won't change them. Market forces will either require them to change their ways, or they'll simply end up out of business.
From Ian McAnerin:
I disagree. Although it's all well and good to approach things with a completely laizzes faire, buyer beware attitude, in practice standards are not about SEO's.
They are about the public.
SEO's don't need protection from other SEO's. Neither do search engines.
Why do lawyers and doctors and firemen and engineers and almost every other industry have standards?
Do lawyers need protection from other lawyers? Is there a big concern that by implementing standards your lawyer will not be able to help you sell your house or write your will? Or that shady lawyers would take advantage of those poor, unsuspecting judges? Bah.
The standards are there so that the non-legally trained public has the right to be informed about their rights and obligations, and has a reasonable expectation of a certain level of service and professionalism.
From Lisa Barone:
For search engine optimization to become a legitimate industry, we need to start treating ourselves as one. Ian McAnerin actually brought up a great point during the Is It Time For Search Marketing Standards panel reminding us that search engine optimization is a form of advertising. It’s not a matter of should it be regulated, advertising MUST be regulated. If we don’t do it, someone else is going to come in and do it for us. I’d rather see us create our own guidebook.
From Jessica Bowman:
The debate on the need for SEO standards continues, with no clear industry-wide consensus. Without a doubt, however, your company should have SEO standards and guidelines that convey your company's stance on SEO—namely, clearly spelling out acceptable practices and perhaps even more importantly, definitely drawing boundaries that cannot be breached regardless of whether they may increase traffic to your site.
From Chris Boggs:
The sky is falling. As marketers become more aware of the power of SEO, they're also becoming increasingly victimized by unscrupulous practitioners of SEO. Any marketing executive can search Google or other search engines to find a number of horror stories related to SEO experiences...
...There are many comments out there in a number of discussions related to this topic that advocate the "we don't need 'em" stance, but the majority of those arguments are based on the premise that we "have been doing fine without them for years."
Balderdash! Again, I counter that we've evolved into an industry that needs "standards." Without them, there's too much confusion out there as to what works and what's an acceptable risk to take.
Some SEOs must not like this idea because it could mean they'll actually have to provide more assurance and clearer goals in their statements of work. God forbid that SEOs should be held to standards like the rest of the world.
I just have to comment on this post, which aroused my ire a bit. I think Chris makes some great points, and he's also a good friend, but the sky is most certainly not falling, and I think you need to have some statistics to back up the point that the public is "increasingly victimized by unscrupulous practitioners of SEO." To be honest, my personal anecdotal experiences suggest that it's actually falling from a height in 2004-5, but without data to back it up, it seems like a fallacy to claim that "fact" to help bolster your argument. And, honestly, suggesting that SEOs are too lazy to embrace standards isn't a very positive way to go about things, either.
OK, You're pretty much as caught up as you need to be. Now I'm going to share my personal opinions - take them with as much or as little salt as you'd like.
Let me just first say that in general, I'm with Jill on this - we don't NEED search marketing or SEO standards, and it's hard to discount the fact that some of those suggesting that we need standards stand to gain personally from that stance (though I choose to believe that's not influencing their decisions). We NEED clients and we NEED engines and we all probably NEED to get out and exercise a bit more. Standards are an option, and we should weigh them the way we do any other business decision. With that in mind, I will say that I'm certainly open to the idea that standards might have some positives to offer, but probably some negatives, too. As I see it:
Benefits of Search Marketing Standards:
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May generate positive press/media about SEO and through it, more business
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Potentially useful as a defense against lawsuits or legal issues (Sarah, you'll have to tell us to what degree this could actually be the case)
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Possibly creates more trust between clients and service providers
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Could stop outside bodies (governmental or otherwise) from creating standards/regulations first
Potential Negatives of Standards:
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Standards would create boundaries outside of which member companies could not operate (limiting experimentation and innovation)
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Standards would need constant updating and revising as the industry and its tactics shift every 3-6 months
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Conflicts/struggles may arise between those who want standards one way vs. another
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A small group of individuals would eventually need to make the final decisions, possibly resulting in industry-insider antagonism (and feelings of outsider-ism as well)
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Those who do/don't ascribe to the standards might have hostility towards one another
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Clients of companies who uphold the standards (or even rival companies) would have the ability to get companies banned or sanctioned, and this could create some nasty infighting
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Money and effort would go towards promoting members of the "standards-compliant" set of companies, rather than the SEO industry as a whole
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SEO discussion forums would be covered in posts claiming companies or sites that violated the SEO guidelines (even though there would technically be no recourse or punishment unless those companies were members of the standards body)
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Some SEO companies would almost certainly market their non-membership as a sign that they were more creative and potentially more effective than those "toeing the party line"
I think the potential positives here are currently outweighed by the negatives, with one potential exception - the last point on creating the standards ourselves before someone else does. I'm a bit concerned that there's some fearmongering going on, as I've yet to hear even the faintest of distant rumbles that regulation of any kind could be coming to the search industry, but I'd certainly much rather have Chris Boggs or Ian McAnerin creating SEO standards than Uncle Sam (or his non-US equivalents).
To be honest, I'm not particularly opposed to standards and if I personally agreed with them, I'd probably be willing to join a standards organization as long as it wasn't too costly, too time-intensive, or fraught with political issues (and I genuinely fear it could be all three). The big problem I see is that no individual or organization has actually put forward even an outline of what these standards might look like. Ian noted in his post that some of Jill's arguments against SEO standards were weak, but I'd say that until I can look at an actual document with the proposed standards, it's a pretty tough concept to get behind. Arguing over whether or not to take a theoretical stab at something seems pretty silly to me.
So let me just end this post with something that might help out - a relevant poll, not about whether we need standards, but about what you would personally do if they existed.
I have concerns that, just like in the realm of politics, a theoretical standards list is something far more people will be open to than the real thing once they read it. I'm also worried that there isn't currently an organization in the search world that wields the authority to create these standards. Danny Sullivan and Chris Sherman could probably pull it off, but I have serious doubts as to their interest in such a project. SEMPO has said publicly that they're not a standards body. In the session at SMX, it was suggested that search marketers should approach the Interactive Advertising Bureau (IAB) and the Direct Marketer's Association (DMA) to help create the standards, but these seem like even less influential voices in search than SEMPO.
My position here remains - show me a roadmap, show me who's creating the standards, and show me the actual document before we start arguing over whether we'll accept it or not. I'd also like to hear from someone intimately familiar with the law and industry regulation about whether search marketing is in danger of getting outside regulation if we fail to do so ourselves. Any volunteers for either of these tasks? :)
P.S. I'm leaving for Sydney today and will be traveling for almost 50 of the next 60 days, so expect my posting to be sparse (and off normal schedule) until SMX Advanced in June.
I think I'm in favour of published standards for business-level things (e.g. around billing schedules, no hidden charges etc.). I am wary of standards such as 'a social media marketing campaign (designed for search benefit) will consist of steps x, y and z' because I feel that those steps will either need to be so broad as to be meaningless or they would be out of date and potentially stifle innovation.
My biggest concerns with the standards are around what the penalties would be for claiming to follow them (but not following them) and who would decide that (with what kind of appeal) and finally who would enforce whatever punishment there was to be doled out.
I had a 'hallway conversation' with a few people after the SMX session you mentioned and I feel that a better analogy than advertising (for natural search) would be PR. That is an industry that has been around for a long time and therefore must have struggled with these challenges and where there is a lot more analogy to be drawn with unknown (and unknowable) outcomes. I don't actually know the state of standards in the PR industry, but maybe someone can enlighten me?
Will, really good point about the PR industry.From client side i've seen some terrible agencies pitch for SEO work - once had an agency foisted upon me by the investment bankers way up, and they were the worst SEO agency...
And as a friend helped run the IAB's Online Marketing Survey in the UK I know there's a lot of high up's with some really shaky knowledge and techniques, often the smaller (sorry Will) like Distilled are a far better option to a biggy like Agency.com (see made it up to you!) due to perhaps lack of red tape and concentration of skill.
In situation's like this I'd like to see some sort of standards in the SEO industry, not to stifle creativity or only allow the big dogs to bark, but to prevent companies doing little or no work and not being held accountable.
The PR & Marketing industry works with some things; such as highly paid people using things such as PRINCE2 project management, CIM Chartered Marketing Qualifications etc. Maybe some of this could transfer? Even so I've done some of the CIM Online work and its old SEO so not beneficial from a skill level, Google Exams are easy... its a toughy.
Even the SEM Compare site has its opponents and drawbacks.... I'm not sure of the history of PR and Marketing back in the 1920's etc but i'm sure they must of gone thru the same debate...
Thanks Rob. We are smaller. I hope that does give us certain advantages - and I think one of the biggest concerns of these kinds of standards is that they destroy some of those advantages and everyone (except big agencies) lose.
It is a concern, however hopefully standards can be agreed upon that let certain "artistic" and "stylistic" features of SEO continue whilst allowing a degree of transparency between client and company. I mean the RIBA do standards for the lifetime of a building design, but dont do standards on the style... maybe something like that? Architecture has many small companies doing v.well with huge projects because of reputation etc.
I fear 2 things with SEO: 1) Small rip-off "SEO" companies tarnishing the industry further,
2) Big media agencies and firms putting an "online" in front of every job title and saying theyre now an "online agency" - but without standards and accountability just wasting clients money.
Of course it then begs the question maybe the clients should have a) a brain and b) standards! :) Then the SEO industry would be fine :)
I think your worries (and your proposals) are sensible. I think my biggest concerns with their implementation remain the costs of participating and who does the enforcing... It'll be interesting to see where this goes.
Agreed cost and enforcement is tricky- you obv cant have google etc do it, nor the agencies themselves - perhaps the RIBA, CIM model of training (about project management mainly i guess) and membership covering running costs, plus scaled costs for companies
From memory i dont think RIBA was that expensive to be part of, not cheap but was worth it and was (i think) legally required..
Will be very interested to see where this goes....
will...
check out the PRSA
they call it "ethics"
Here's the situation as I see it.
The moral of the story: Don't be a dick.
- Eric Itzkowitz
well said!
I'm not convinced about standards. I think it would help on one hand but as Rand points out, they will have to be revised sooner or later.
Look at update "Dewey" (is that as in Miss Dewey?) - I've seen some who have had no change and I've seen some SERPs totally go all over the place.
Standards are OK but are largely related to core elements so won't stifle creativing.
Law has a Law Society which is formed of people called to the bar who have passed examinations based on essential core elements but also the ability to think and move and change. Law is not static and while it doesn't move as quickly as search, it does move.
I think Rand has valid points and I think a standard is a long way off but I think education is essential. Things keep changing. In fact, certain grey practices are about to become illegal here in the UK on May 28th.
Sadly, I no longer see the images delivered for my precious chocolate search result - possibly because of the naked woman who wasn't really all that relevant as the chocolate she had smeared on herself and was dripping off would no longer be suitable for sale (I won't say consumption as I know many will disagree).
Search changes quickly and we need to as well. Perhaps education over standards needs to be considered.
What's happening on that date?
What's happening on that date?
I am confused as well - I havent heard anything either ;(
again not aware of any new laws coming into effect in the UK then...
I'm guessing your talking about May 26th EU law on Unfair Commercial Practices - that limits companies selfpromotion efforts (ie no Floggers)
isn't it the ppc copyright exclusion in google?
isn't it the ppc copyright exclusion in google?
Thats not a grey hat technique, nor is it illegal - just disallowed. See Judiths original quote:
In fact, certain grey practices are about to become illegal here in the UK on May 28th.
NB: PPC trademark protection exclusion officially begings May 5th.
Google is allowing UK advertisers to use trademarked terms as keywords similar to what they allow now in the US
not yet - 5th may is the approved date.
Was referencing an action that was possibly mentioned above
right... but that may change soon.
I can give my input on what we did with the AAF (American Advertising Assocication) - regarding standards... guildelines, etc.
a few (several actually), years ago in a national ADDY committee/CyberAwards meeting at a national AAF Convention. (the AAF CyberAwards - a web specific competition was killed in the meeting - see WebAward.org for the new version.)
Me: So we judge website on creative and copy yet where they pull up in a search engine is incosequential?
Room: yeah, that search engine stuff is too tricky and no one knows about it.
Me: I did just bring it up.
Room: Well, that's you, but we don't think we should ad search requirements in our advertising competition, because no one would know how to judge them but you.
Me: oh..
---my view on regs---- and possible outcomes------
let's pretend:
Danny Sullivan may have his set of standards.
Mz. Whalen may have her set of standards.
Google does have their set of standards.
now.. since we are PRETENDING
Danny I may agree with.. and due to my long ongoing respect for him, would probably institute whatever standards he set as long as they fit within the business processes of the Agency I work for, or possibly modify our Agency SEO processes to fit with the standard set by him.
Jill, let's just say she and I have not seen eye to eye since the mid 90's, so even if she said something that was right, i'd probably fight it in an unreasonable manner. (fyi.. like i care about thumbs down.. show your hate.. feel free.. blah.. i'm being honest.. shoot me it you don't like it. i'm not saying what she says is bad, wrong etc.. not saying there is anything wrong with her seo... i'm just using her as an example.. most people wouldn't go by the standards i might have written.. wait.. you do, if u submit to yahoo directory or DMOZ.. nevermind. Let's just assume that some people WONT agree with some other people regardless.. ok..?)
Google - pretty much already has standards.. if we want our site to move up organically, we follow those guidelines that Google sets. right? So SEO standards preety much have been laid out..
right?
What's an SEO? Does Google recommend working with companies that offer to make my site Google-friendly?
https://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=35291
These are the rules i follow.
Plus a certain set of standard for reporting, benchmarks and ROI measurement for our clients every month.
However...
https://www.advertisingcompetition.org/iac/
Does find some criteria for judging online ads. I've been on the board of the judges for Webaward (same org as IAC) for 7 years, almost every year judging search comes up.
Someone comes up with the idea.. "How do we judge SEO?"
First i say "we don't"
they ask.. "why?"
I rattle off a big ass list.. and people are like...
"How many points do i give to a website that has alt tags, anchor tags and complete meta tags."
We do this every year.. the discussion gets very technical and invaribly.. someone says.. "we are judging websites not SEO"
and while i want to say.. "well? how did they find your f***ing website? SEO, duh!!"
I have to agree. It would be VERY, VERY hard to find standards to judge SEO in the WebAward Compeition. Based on my judging experience over the last 10 years, i could find some criteria.. but they would be.
Does the site contain Title tags?(i.e. does it say "home page" on the top of every page?)
Does the site contain Meta Tags?(Are the keywords, description and robots tags filled out?)
What is the PageRank of the index page? other pages?(Please include date and time)
yadda yadda.. you get the idea.. the title tags could be off topic and not contain any keywords relevant to search, maybe it's their mission statement... which includes NO SEO KW.. lol.. i could go on for months...
If there was one way to do SEO, then, standards might be okay.
but there isn't..
You have people like SEMPO teaching SEO.. what standards are they teaching to? Don't they get paid to teach people the correct way to do SEO? and why would they want to give away something they make money on? I sure wouldn't... but an amazing number of people have no clue about SEO, SEO history, etc...
oh.. yeah, advertising regulations.. the link above for the AMA code of ethics was created/worked on by the AAAA, the AMA, the BBB and the AAF.. so it's a pretty good federal look at advertising regs..
Do we really need sarbanes-oxley or HIPAA for SEO?
Will there be legal penalties for non-compliance?
I think the rules are set by Google, (sorry, yahoo and msn, etc.. but google has the gold, (market share), so they make all the rules), and we follow them.. they are vague to allow for experimentation.
(Drama Disclaimer: this is not about people, this about a concept)
I think Standards will make it easier to sell SEO in that both client and SEOer have a known metric to rally round. The problem, in my view, is not Standards it's how they are enforced.
Take W3C web standards. the only people who really care about them, lets face it, are web specialists and a few (i mean a few) enlightened site owners. Generally, most people couldn't give two hoots let alone even know what they are. What’s more, these standards are in no way governed. (not talking about accessibility here)
Now consider the idea of standards - fixed and recognised ways of doing things. This in itself limits the practitioner to a 'tool set'. Furthermore standards tend to be lumbering things, slow to catch up with the ever changing web environment. They might reflect what we call 'white hat' practices but will they encompass every technique? Can they?
Now, if SEO standards are not governed and don't mean very much outside the SEO world, certainly nothing beyond 'white hat/black hat' practices then why would a client be interested in using an SEOer that claims to adhere to standards when the next person is happy working outside those rules but within 'white hat' practices with every technique at their disposal? What happens to your competitive edge?
I've been involved in enough industries in my career to see the writing on the wall in this one. It is not a matter of whether there will be standards. It is a matter of when. And the standards will not come from the government or any "body" or agency outside the industry.
There are certainly some significant issues with regard to creating standards, particularly in an industry whose core practices revolve around technologies that are not wholly known publicly, are a constantly shifting target and open to all comers for the cost of investment capital.
With that said, there are already defacto practices that will lead to deFacto standards that will ultimately lead to industry standards. The way it will occur is that some enterprising group of individuals or companies will start a "standards body". There will be significant backlash and in-fighting in the industry and more than likely a competing organization or body. Eventually those competing groups will come together to form a single standards organization.
The very fact that there is so much debate about it in the industry already is a sure sign of things to come.
To the person who thumbed down my comment, it would be very easy to say that there will no sooner be standards in search marketing than there will be standards in artistic painting, sculpture and song-writing as in any creative endeavor, standards have no place.
However, that would be overlooking the important fact that as in most every industry, there are elements which are subject to and which would benefit from common standard practices - for both the supplier and the consumer. Search marketing is one such industry and as many have already pointed out, there are already some defacto best practices and standards.
It's no different than SEO automation. While SEO will never be a fully automated endeavor, there are elements of it that can be and in fact, already are automated.
I think I am with Chris Boggs on this one - standards are more about protecting individuals nad businesses from unsavoury characters, and not only that, they may help us clean up the "SEO snake oil sellers" tags that have developed over time.
I'm with you (and Chris), Rishil. The standards aren't for the SEO industry, they're for the clients and potential clients of the industry.
People in SEO b*tch and moan about the constant bashing SEO takes amongst the mainstream media and parts of the general public, and yet many of those same folks don't think standards would help the image of SEO. It's a bit baffling to me...
I also agree with Will that the standards should be mainly around business practices, NOT around techniques or specific kinds of SEO campaigns. The specificity should only involve agreed-on definitions of typical components of an SEO campaign. I'm not talking about "an SEO campaign involves X Y and Z" but rather "some SEO campaigns involve X. X includes, but is not limited to, 1, 2, and 3."
This would be in an effort to educate outsiders rather than set a particular schedule of what your SEO should or should not be doing, which would certainly stifle innovation.
I'm with you Rand that while all this buzz about it is great it'd be nice to see some actual evidence of a need for standards. Up until that point I think this will all remain theory.
I'm also struggling to really understand what SEO standards would look like - the industry changes so rapidly and so many succesful projects are cutting edge (or pushing the envelope, whichever you prefer!) that I think it would be very difficult to accurately nail down a set of standards that we should all adhere to...
We all know that there are tactics that represent more risk than reward for site owners, like cloaking or link spam.
We don't need to nail down acceptable tactics.
We need a more open agreement on what tactics are known to be more damaging than helpful for a client. Simply saying that we do not condone the selling of high risk techiques as SEO will better inform potential buyers.
Lydia also mentions this.
"The big problem I see is that no individual or organization has actually put forward even an outline of what these standards might look like."
Well, as it turns out, I actually put forth some SEO Standards. You need to do your homework, Mr. Fishkin! ;)
Seriously though, we all worry about someone else giving us standards. But as Jill points out, we already have standards. We have what the search engines tell us we can and cannot do as well as what laws dictate we can and cannot do. What more do we need? Anything outside of that is business ethics.
If we're talking about a list of things that are kosher and aren't, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there already a lot of that kind of information already available on the interweb?
If we're doing it to make the industry look "more professional", then that's the worst reason to do it. That's the job of PR. Clients and others are already protected by the law, so I don't buy that either. And if we're talking certification, how many lousy doctors, lawyers, mechanics, etc. are out there that are certified by a governing body?
The quote from Jessica Bowman sums it up perfectly, IMO.
i can follow these...
"invoke the Ghost of SEO by looking into a candle-lit mirror and saying “Bloody Danny” thirteen times. If the Ghost of SEO does not murder the offender, then the offender will pay to the Board of SEO three chests of gold or fifteen virgin daughters"
lmao..
"bloody mary come forth, bloody mary come forth"
I was strongly feeling like we NEED standards and peer-appointed regulating body. I felt that I myself, as an individual SEO, would be able to benefit from being certified by a standards board. I felt the industry would gain the reputation benefits of having standards. And I felt the engines would have a supporting third-party that perhaps they could work closely with when they update their algos. Add the double benefit of the standards committee being able to help regulate/launch new "spam combat" procedures (such as the original design of "nofollow") and there would be less grief from both sides of the fight. Paid links an issue? Put it up for review with the standards board. Geotargetting vs. Cloaking? Tell the standards team. Adam won't answer your Google Groups threads? Call in the standards team (just kidding Adam, you're doing an awesome job there).
My point being is that everytime I looked at this issue, I was already sold on how it was going to be a good thing for me, for the industry, and for my employer. Did I drink the purple kool-aid on this one? I'm not sure, because I haven't figured out exactly who was selling it. Either way, this post and the comments so far have given me insight to look at both sides of the argument fairly and with less bias. There have been great points made. And while I still may lean in favor of standards, I at least appreciate the argument against it a little more.
And to be honest, the idea of more industry infighting is discouraging. It seems we've been down that road enough already (paid links, reporting violators, standards!, etc.).
Standards only work if the bad guys follow 'em.
Otherwise, all we're doing is getting the ethical actors to all agree to do what they're already doing.
Great. Now I sound like an NRA lobbyist...
From my cold dead hands!
I think we need to distinguish between SEO standards and business standards. There is an element of unscrupulousness in this industry, sadly, and it would be good to limit that through standards But that has nothing to do with SEO; that has to do with business.
While I think that standards would be the worst thing that could happen to any form of public relations, of which SEO is just a subset, business standards should be followed. If a so-called SEO consultant lies to get a contract, that should simply not be permitted in any sector -- that is not an SEO-specific issue.
This is pretty much the whole thing.
I think SEO Standards are like expensive membership organizations, they benefit the larger industry members and shut-out the smaller firms. Who will make the standards? The big firms. Who will not have a seat at the table? The small firms.
The problem is not a lack of guidelines, it is reputation management. Step back and look at the larger issue.
The risk is that SEO as an industry will be decimated is a falicy. The work of SEO is not going to dissapear. The real risk is that the SEO industry will be swallowed-up by marketing agencies and advertising & public relations firms, that we will loose our identity.
If you want to bolster the reputation of the SEO industry and strengthen its independence then begin by opening the arms of the industry to all legitimate firms and stop swatting the little guys like flies.
Are our efforts better spent on embracing goodness or policing badness?
I am not against large SEO companies. Just the opposite. The more companies with size and strength that this industry has the more the SEO industry can control its reputation, its future and its independence. But the only way this industry will increase the number of large SEO businesses is to foster and grow the small businesses.
Industry Standards will not solve SEO's reputation management issues.
Maybe it's not "standards" that we are looking for but, rather, a better public awareness of the topic and services related to SEO. Educating our own clients will help get that word out - especially if we are actually helping them with their overall website rankings!
Some suggestions to help with this "standardization" are a definite coordination of definitions and SEO terms. How about a list of the Best Things NOT to do on or for a Website?!! - Rand, I think that could bring an interesting post!!
Standards, as seems to be predominantly agreed upon, would require too many revisions or updates. We all know how our own procedures and methodologies have changed just within the last 6 months! 3 months!
Something that I have suggested to my clients is this list of questions to ask an SEO when you want to know "How to Find a Decent SEO - Interviewing an SEO Consultant". I think that this request for "standards" is so that the public can find us "good" SEOs and keep our reputation high, marketable and our knowledge base strong!!
Lydia, this may indeed make for a good blog post because it would be a very subjective list and likely to draw many comments. With regards to the topic of standards, however, there is not a "blanket list" of do's and dont's that can adequately cover the many needs and campaign goals of the individual. There are just too many acceptable ways to, "skin a cat."
- Eric
Eric - can we please keep the skin on the poor cat?!! :-)
Sure, why not. (:
The beauty of this industry is how it, more than most professions, still rewards out-of-the-box-thinkers and the truly creative. Any standards that are created need to be done in such a way to where we maintain this creative spirit.
Unfortunately, as history has shown, if people are given the ability to govern themselves they will more often than not push the limits of what is acceptable.
As with every untamed territory throughout history, you will eventually have to either succumb to being governed or destroyed. This industry is no exception.
In order to have standards someone would need to enforce them.
From my exprerience, there are two types of standards set. Those by a major corporation standardizing those who use their product such as Microsoft and Cisco who offer certifications using their networking products. Or even Google who has a half-hearted certification of their AdWords product.. The other type of certification is from a large well respected non-partisan organization such as say...a legal bar from each state or other noteworthy associations.
At this time I can't see standards taking a hold yet. I'm not sure whether search engines themselves would do this work since it would basically validate that in order to 'take advantage' of their algorithms SEOs would need to do X, Y & Z. I could foresee that an association such as SEMPO would do this type of work, but they would need to raise their profile within the business community to convince them that SEO's who abide by their rules/regulations are better than those not within the association.
As previous posters have also mentioned optimizing for search is a fluid notion where things can change pretty quickly. Any standards that are created could conceivably be obsolete once things are 'ratified'.
Overall I see why there would be a need for it, but just not convinced that any standards at this time would take hold.
One thing that has been puzzling me is the people that want SEO standards say they want them to help educate the lesser knowledgable, but no one has referred to the SEOmoz beginners guide to SEO!?
There problem solved, lets move onto the next thing.
I think one issue with standards that needs to be addressed as well is the international nature of SEO.Now if I base my point on architecture, the UK has the Royal Institute of British Architect's (RIBA) - a body that checks and oversees the work of Architects in the UK and generally does a very good job of it. However in France (even tho its in the EU) you have to get a French Architect, and presumably the same in the states... etc.
So... whatever SEO body exists has to cover international areas (or co-ordinate the local organizations) in order to work.
It also has to link in with Analytics standards (there are some there) and PPC and the upcoming kid of Social Media Marketing...
Of course whilst we worry about becoming more like the Ad industry.... :P
"Levy says advertising model is outdated in digital age
by Jacquie Bowser Brand Republic 09-Apr-08, 09:05
LONDON - Maurice Levy, Publicis Groupe chief executive, has said the business model for the advertising industry is outdated and needs to change as it faces growing competition from internet giants such as Google, Yahoo! and Microsoft.
Levy said, while speaking at an advertising industry conference sponsored by the International Advertising Association, that the basis of the ad industry needed to be looked at.
He said: "The very model of our industry is being called into question. The model today is no longer valid, no longer relevant."
IAC.
I think it's pretty simple - organic search algorithms are the standard! Unless Google/Ask/MSN... start publishing their algorithms, how are you going to impose standards?
I agree with Thomas here - an national organization that does not have standards per se, but more of a following of ethics code that allows for a feedback loop - kind of like a BBB for SEOs. So, if someone that knows nothing about SEO is looking for one, this resource would be a place to go to find a reputable, reliable SEO with a feedback loop so that consumers can inform each other.
funny thing is.. most of the problems with SEOs are pretty much handled by the BBB... or should be.
idea: (omitted because as i finished typing it, i thought of 15 ways to exploit it.)
Some may say, its a fear mongering, but its not. What is SEO? In my book, it is both an art and science of delivering information to the consumers who need that information. If you create standards of any form in any industry, (believe me its universal), there is always a tendency of high handedness from higher authority to manipulate the way the information is delivered. So, I am absolutely opposed to any form of standards, especialy in this industry. Let the market force determine what is right and what is wrong.
Rand, thank you for summarizing the SEO debate. In my professional opinion, as an industry we have standards, but these standards are not documented and given the golden seal.
What will happen to the software industry if and when SEO Standards are created? I would hope it would force the CMS firms to create software that renders clean code. These days, more times than not, my clients are using kluge software applications to manage their websites. When I dig more into these systems – I reach a point where starting over is the best way to make the site SEO Compliant. And when client’s business processes and comfort levels are tied to a CMS, I perform the offsite SEO techniques – speaking of which, you can’t really standardize the creativity of offsite SEO… or can you?
Great post! Thanks again!
I think it is better to set our own standards before some other “governing body” decides to set them for us. But the problem is who would regulate the industry? I don’t think SEO is a clear cut situation like lets say television. We have seen in the past how difficult it is to regulate the internet.
Considering it’s the search engines themselves that should regulate the industry. SEO would not exist without the search engines. If a code of ethics or standards were to be implemented, I think involving those search companies is vital.
You don't want the SE's regulating anymore than they already do. The SEs don't operate under the same ideals, let alone standards. If they did their algos would be the same and so would their webmaster guidelines. Each likes their way of doing things, and so do SEOs.
I don't know if the SEO industry specifically needs to have a standard core or set of guidelines. It is a very important thing to understand the amount of time, money and effort it would take to create such a thing. And this is a derivative industry. Our actions and movement is completely based on the search engines, this one key point has me questioning the posibility of standards.
I think some kind of professional association that monitored activity - like the web BBB would be good. More generally I think an industry standard needs to be setup - or maybe I should say marketed - for web development. I have seen many problems with small local web developers essentially steal thousands of dollars from uneducated customers. Granted, they didn't do their due diligence before cutting a check, but some kind of web sheriff that you could apply to, take a test on, and show some level of competence as an individual or company would help. And businesses and entities looking for quality work could rest assured knowing that "at least they're Web BBB certified."
On a whim, I picked up SEOBBB.ORG/.COM just in case they might be useful to our niche at some point in the future. I'm not suggesting that these are worthwhile domain names, but just in case they are I can ensure that they stay within our niche, as opposed to some outsider trying to snatch them up. Maybe the'll never be used, but for $12/yr who cares.
This reminds me of the adage, "The great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from." Standards for search marketing and for ethical business practices exist today. In search marketing, they're called best practices. For ethics in marketing, see the American Marketing Association's code. And it isn't a question of whether standards exist; it's a question of whether SEO's follow them, and more critically, whether companies seeking that extra edge endorse them.
What's really needed to end this debate is:
More education for companies on what constitutes sound, ethical business practices for search engine marketing (good niche, SEOmoz)
More information to support that education from the search engines. I'm looking at you, Google.
If Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft were more upfront about the items that contributed to better placement (I can dream, can't I?) - and more important, those that would get you banned - you wouldn't need external standards. You'd just need common sense.
This industry needs standards because right now there are too many people loading up blogs with nonsense about how "" and sculpting PageRank (something no SEO can measure) is good search engine optimization.
Standards will help consumers and industry trainees see through all that crap and understand that you really can approach this kind of work methodically and set reasonable expectations.
I think it's mndatory to create standards for SEO, this make our indystry more "serious". In my country is a lots of spamers. Therefore our main search engines made ethic regulation for SEO.
There is a need for standards for clients and newbies in our space. The "black hat" marketers won't follow them and the others already do in a way.
The biggest problem is the definition of what standards are.... get that down and perhaps we can outline a set of standards.
I have mentioned this in two posts, one at Sphinn and another at SEW Forums