Last week, while in London, I received an email from Paul Graham, whom I've long admired, possibly even idolized a bit. He asked if I was available to come speak at a YCombinator SEO event in Mountain View. Tonight, I presented at that evented and thought I'd share my experiences, recommendations and yes, my presentation. Not everything that was discussed is public, in fact, much of it is "classified" at YC's request. However, there's so much good material that it would be criminal not to share.
First up, my presentation from the YCombinator SEO for Startups event (naturally, hosted on YC company and prior SEOmoz consulting client, Scribd):
SEO for Startups: YCombinator February 2010
Next, since it's hard to do any slide deck justice with just the slides, a list of top advice and recommendations, not just from the slide deck, but from many years of interactions, consulting and Q+A help for startups:
- SEO as a Strategy, not a Tactic
Yelp uses SEO as a strategy. When their community finds something new in the neighborhood, content is created. They are limited in scale only by the physical world's local businesses. Plus, it's only natural that local businesses with good rankings will want to share those via a badge and a link; it's only natural that their top contributors will want to share the reviews they've given. SEO is a strategy - it's part of what makes them the business they are. If you're just thinking in terms of keywords in the title and submitting to some directories, you're going to get lapped by someone who understands how to make content, links, sharing & search demand an integral part of how users interact with their website. - Start SEO in the Concept Phase, Not After the Site is Built
It's hard to do, particularly when you spend your first two years as a founder thinking SEO is a cross between black magic and BS, but SEO works best when it's architected alongside a businesses marketing plan. I've mentioned in the past that I think VCs and angel investors should be asking about SEO in the first meeting - startups should be three steps ahead of that. - Build Accessibility First & Foremost
I come back time and time again to the SEO Pyramid. It all starts with unique content that engines can find and users find valuable. I'm now the proud owner of a Y Combinator t-shirt bearing the tagline "Make Something People Want." All I'm asking is that you also make something Google (and Bing) can find, too. And, in concert with this advice, check out Perfecting Keyword Targeting & On-Page Optimization to help solve that puzzle. - SEO is NOT a One Time Event
Fire and forget works with smartbombs (or maybe not - scroll to section 5), but it doesn't work with SEO. This is a constantly evolving field, and not so much because Google's algorithm is changing all the time, but more so because 300 (or 30,000) competitors are constantly trying to produce better content and market it more effectively while the engines are constantly experimenting with new kinds of results and information. No product is good enough to survive without marketing - even Google itself just ran a Super Bowl ad. SEO is marketing, and as such demands the same attention. Ignore it, and you will fall by the wayside. - Analytics are a Religion
An ad salesman comes to you and tells you that 20% of your exact target market is reading a particular magazine. By putting in a full-page ad every month for the next year, you can ensure that they'll all know your name and many will buy from you. But wait... How many saw it? How many took the desired action? How many heard about it from a friend or read a loaner copy on a flight? You'll never know. With SEO, it's the complete opposite - every action has a trackable reaction. If you ignore the data, use last-touch attribution or neglect to build serious models that track the value of your campaigns, you may as well blow the money on a giant billboard on the 101. Who knows? Maybe the right investor will drive by and decide to invest... Just don't count on it. - Clever Tricks Aren't that Clever (or New)
I promise that no hairbrained scheme to manipulate the search rankings by registering thousands of sites or scraping the web for open places to link or contacting 6,000 "friends" for a link exchange are either A) new or B) going to work. Apply your creativity in white hat ways and make sure it passes the Google web spam litmus test. And no, that doesn't just mean it passes Google's Quality Guidelines, it means you would happily show it to any engineer on the webspam team content in the knowledge that they'd actually WANT it to help your site rank better. - Don't Let Search Dominate Your Traffic Sources
If Google sends 90% of your traffic, your business has real danger associated with it. Why aren't people coming directly to your site, being passed links in email, getting Tweets and Facebook mentions that send traffic? Why is no one blogging about you, writing about you in the press, commenting in forums with links to your content? These "natural" signs tell a story of a real business providing real value. The 90-95% Google trafficked site says something strange is going on, and Google themselves are likely to figure that out sooner or later.
And last, but not least, I'd like to recognize some of the brilliant people and companies represented. It was humbling to receive such kind praise and attentitive ears from companies like:
- Apartment Rentals Site - AirBnB (whose founders were kind enough to give me a ride back to my hotel at SFO!)
- Dead Simple Publishing Site - Posterous (I learned the official way to pronounce it - "pastarus")
- Concerts & Tour Dates Startup - Songkick
- Time Management Software Provider - RescueTime ( a local Seattle startup, and host of the Feb. 25 event)
- Gift Card Exchange Marketplace - Cardpool
- Real Time Search Startup - Scoopler
- Live Video & Chat Hub - Justin.tv
Tragically, the following brief set of photos from the event were taken on my new Android camera phone (yes, I'm such a Hacker News/Paul Graham geek that I had to pull it out):
YCombinator Founders Eating Dinner (noticeably absent in the photo was the single female founder - but they do have one!)
Luckily, there was plenty of Coke to help keep me hydrated (and caffeinated) during the event
The rush for pizza (apparently, The Flash is one of the founders they funded!)
Paul and Rand in the Anybots lab - thanks again, Paul; it was a fantastic experience
There were more than 40 companies in attendance, so there's no way to name them all here, but the above represent some of the most active on the SEO panel and during the lengthy, but phenomenal Q+A. Later this week, SEOmoz's own Danny Dover will be attending the Y Combinator meetup in Seattle, and he'd love to say hi and chat with folks there, and hopefully help to bring a good name to SEO.
p.s. At the end of the presentation, Paul noted that the startups owed me a debt for sharing information about SEO. I disagree, but who am I to pass up such a wonderful opportunity. My only request to the attendees was that, if they should see SEO being badmouthed on Hacker News to kindly step in and help others realize the power and legitimacy of this marketing channel.
Awesome. Clear, concicse. Right on, man.
One thing I gotta say in reading the SEOmoz Blog: Not only do you provide my ongoing education in SEO for which I am most grateful, but I get to watch you do the things you write about without mentioning that you are. Many thanks!
Great post and a good reminder of SEO being part of the marketing process. Those that disbelieve SEO as key marketing strategy will only be left behind to clear the road for internet marketers that do add value and understand marketing. Having been involved in a few start ups and 2 years into another startup, I find this information valuable and look forward to reading more. Thanks
Great Post Rand - I recently presented to a group of VC's in London, and while it was a great event and a superb evening, I was surprised by the overall quality/innovation of search strategy that these companies employ (or relative lack thereof).
For any startup, especially web startups (are there any other kind these days?) having class leading SEO is the main way to get visibility.
The world needs more top class SEO's. VC's need to make sure that their invested companies employ these top flight SEO's.
SEO is not going away any time soon - Rand you have built a great resource, thanks.
I felt bad at that event when I essentially used my presentation time to show funny stuff off the internet to make people laugh. I should have given a presentation more like Rand's above.
dont worry mate - I made up for it in my session ;-)
it became a bit of a free for all Q+A, will fill you in on it next time we bump into each other, smx advanced perhaps...
cheers
martin
I like the Ycombinator :)
What a super presentation. I must say, "Concept Phase, Not After the Site is Built", is spot on, the number of projects I've been involved with where the companies aren't interested in investing money in SEO upfront is mind-blowing and each and every time, the same thing happens - They worry about organic traffic on launch and I get to do the whole "I told you so" routine.
I must admit, I have gotten a great deal better at pitching and explaining why SEO is so important upfront, so I'm hoping that with my skills and presentations like this, that the word will spread and it'll become to norm to think SEO from the start.
Hopefully the businesses will learn from their mistakes and warn others about it. However, every cloud has a silver lining; because of the mistakes, it has made you better at explaining the reasons why it's important to have SEO in the startup budget.
Absolutely @traxor, seems like there is a positive both sides indeed. Ultimately I do hope that more and more companies become a little more knowledgable about SEO in general; I'm from South Africa and it's quite small here and people are only just starting to see the value.
Where's your thumbs down avatar? ;)
From what I've seen, there is a definite increase in the number of companies who want to develop SEO strategies, but I'm not sure about startups. I've spoken to one potential client who was aware of what it was and wanted it, but didn't really know how or why. Either way, that's a positive sign.
I live in between Stratford-upon-Avon and Birmingham in England, so there are plenty of businesses around here in need of SEOs, though I'm not sure about startups.
Ah, the thumbs down avatar may or may not come. Perhaps I'll make it into a bit of a test and post the results on YOUmoz. Though unrelated to SEO, it'll be interesting to see the effect of having a 'thumbs down' avatar and a 'thumbs up' avatar.
Ye, what I've found is that you really need to sit down with the startup and slowly talk to them, take a netbook with, show them examples and really make sure they understand why it's so important. Another thing I do is show them the potential traffic for a specific keyword and basically say that if they aren't on page 1, they'll lose 90% of that potential traffic and so forth, this usually gets them at least understanding why SEO is so important. I also emphasize that SEO doesn't happen over night, so starting later in the game can make the workload double, thus costing double, and so forth, I'm sure you know the drill.
Might not be completely unrelated, it'll definitely have a psychological touch to it in terms of peoples interactions and whether they react differently to your comments..
Wow, this could turn into a really great topic for a blog post here!
Just can't agree with this "Concept Phase, Not After the Site is Built" philosophy"
For this reason:
A site built for human users (by a competent developer) and as if search engines didn't exist will already be structured in a way that search engines love. It will also be full of content on a particular subject, pages will have titles, headings and copy etc etc.
Suppose I then do my keyword analysis and identify a few new keyword phrases to target. All I have to do is use them a few times on-page since that's plenty to tell the search engines what my keyword phrase is and establish on-page relevance, the site is already on-subject anyway and full of supporting phrases and synonyms so I shouldn't have to be completely rewriting copy or rebuilding the site.
So do your SEO before you build or after, it makes no difference unless your SEO causes you to completely change direction in which case you might as build a new site.
It makes more sense to plan and have a good strategy before the site is built because the SEO stage isn't just about after-care but also about pre-care such as making sure the site is laid out well and that the search engines will love the content.
We all know that the majority of SEO will be done post-release because of things like developments and analyses of the sites in question. However, this does not mean that there is no good reason to have the strategy in place when you're a startup so you're prepared to put all of these things in place immediately (something I will always recommend).
As I have said before, if you fail to plan, you plan to fail.
Just can't agree with this "Concept Phase, Not After the Site is Built" philosophy"
For this reason:
A site built for human users (by a competent developer) and as if search engines didn't exist will already be structured in a way that search engines love. It will also be full of content on a particular subject, pages will have titles, headings and copy etc etc.
Suppose I then do my keyword analysis and identify a few new keyword phrases to target. All I have to do is use them a few times on-page since that's plenty to tell the search engines what my keyword phrase is and establish on-page relevance, the site is already on-subject anyway and full of supporting phrases and synonyms so I shouldn't have to be completely rewriting copy or rebuilding the site.
So do your SEO before you build or after, it makes no difference unless your SEO causes you to completely change direction in which case you might as build a new site.
Great! I really like the environment in YCombinator :)
Nice presentation. :) A good overview of what you should keep in mind for SEO as a startup. I kinda wish I'd read resources like this a few years ago, but it's never too late I guess. :)
Good article. I am a begginer SEO and use the resources HTML Tutorials for learning. many thanks to author. -- edited to remove link - Jen
This slides will help me communicate this message better, thanks!
Nice summary. everything I'm doing by your instruction but my site still not working. Analytics shows that I have users to my site but they just coming and not buying....
Valuable notes for start-up online biz. Good job Rand! :-)
This is awesome and many thanks for reminding us of the fundamentals which are still as relevant in 2017 as it was when you wrote this.
Hot Damn!! Rand, I truly enjoyed this post. Excellent content and presentation. Thanks much for sharing.
Is it still effective to this year 2016
Awesome post! Lots of key information that I will be using in discussions with new startup businesses which are still on the fence about SEO.
Arguably the best thing i've read on SEO strategy to date.
Cheers,
Nice Presentation Rand! Generating Unique quality content has been a challenge for us as many a times we run out of content. How do you keep on generating new stuff which is unique?
Thanks!
Er, I find Time Management Software Provider - RescueTime. I am now creating a similar online to ddo list software-TABB. Hope one day I will attend and have such excellent experiences.
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I agree that there are a lot of misunderstanding of SEO as a legitimate marketing channel. Just last week on This Week in Tech, Leo Laporte who I am a huge fan of, said that he thought SEO was just snake oil. They went on to describe how SEO is bad for users because it skews the search results. They also talked about how some publishers like eHow are polluting the web by farming a lot of content that is less than professional quality. I mostly disagree with all of these arguments, although I don't know if SEO will ever be able to improve their reputation or the perception in the marketplace due to all the bad apples.
The percentages on slide 22 "average percentage of click" don't seem to be correct as they add up to 101.1%!!!
thats what GREAT seo can achieve
:D
LOL. Thanks for the first laugh of the day MOGmartin.
"thats what GREAT seo can achieve"
That just made my day!!!!
ROFL!
I should have explained further - the average seracher clicks on 1.3-1.4 results per query, hence the clickthrough rates add up to more than 100% (makes good sense if you think about your own searching behavior).
Hello guys,
I am a web development company in India.We are into hardcore- PHP based web development. My own prior experience included working on the UI side of things at United Airlines in Chicago.
This year, one of our goals is to become an SEO as well. So my question is: Should I use the same start up strategies to become an SEO, that I would use to help a start up achieve their SEO goals.
Please let me know your thoughts.
Chet
Most definitely... treat yourself as you would treat a client and vice versa: treat a client as you would treat yourself.
What's this... the SEO version of Jesus commandment?
lol.
Haha, well it depends really. As an atheist, I can't really make biblical references without it being a bit hypocritical so I doubt it! :-D
You don't have to ascribe it to religion traxor. You can call it the "Golden Rule".
I'll have to use that in the future then, ;-)
Watch out for traxor and his Golden Rule!
That sounds way too much like innuendo hahahaha.
But seriously, watch out.
I'm pretty sure Google don't mind if 90-95% of the traffic is paid Adwords traffic ;-)
I think you may've misunderstood the infographic, it showed that only ~10% came from paid listings?
Fantastic article Rand - thank you for sharing the slide with us, naughty as it was.
One thing that really stood out to me in the presentation was vertical search and for me it should be an additional most of the time. I'm not sure of this, but I'm about 80% sure that more and more people are starting to click these vertical results immediately, as opposed to the text links below. They're more apparent calls-to-action on Google's part.
I've said it in previous comments, but I'm really liking the idea of personalised results at the moment and am trying to find ways to maximise the importance of it for the sites that I'm (hopefully) going to be working on. The one that stands out to me the most is a local business directory site, who may be able to - along with their URL - place a small image with a cursor and 'arrow advertiser' written in the Google search box. I'm hoping that he'll do this... But it's all down to my boss and whether he wants to include it in the SEO strategy.
A little off-topic but it seems like a very beard-heavy event. I think beards are back in.
Agree with you about everything, but the beards... in that field all depends by the woman you're living with ;)
Finally, whish your boss to be smart enough to accept your great ideas.
I really hope so to. At the moment I'm quite new to the company, so I haven't really proved myself. Plus, I've been hired as a website designer and not a website designer/seo like I initially thought... so it feels like interfering a little.
Hopefully I'll be able to show my colours. Whenever I suggest something at the moment, everyone looks at me dumbstruck.
The best advice I can give you is to start with something that is measurable. Document the change you suggest making, once it has been signed off then wait for the measurable result. Then take this result to them to show - this will help them to trust your SEO skills and perhaps they will let you go off and do what you need to do.
Thank you. One strategy I have won't be easily measurable but I'm positive that it will work, so I'll just have to put it to them. Other methods that I will be trying should be. We'll see. Thanks again for the advice.
Nice Post Rand. Thanks for sharing such a wonderful information with us.
Thanks Rand to share always so many informations with us... as they are all valuable and - and maybe this is the most important thing - able to make us stop, reflect and reconsider maybe cristalized ideas we could have.
Your post today is valuable for so many reason that it needed to be not only shared by me but saved in my Favorites. Why? Because I can consider myself still a Start Up (but I believe that - to not get relaxed - I will always continue to consider myself a Start Up), but also because many many of my clients are really starts up that see in web marketing their big tool in order to break the barrier of irrilevance in a market where big brands are getting even bigger.
So, with your permission (and obviously naming you as the "owner"), I will translate part of this post in italian and spanish in order to make these suggestions of your available to a wider panel.
Ciao
It's great that you're still considering yourself as a start-up. Many businesses seem to get a little lax when it comes to SEO and their marketing strategy in the long-term. They think that they 'know the system'.
By keeping yourself in the 'startup' frame of mind, it means you're more likely to go out of your way to research new developments in the marketing world - search engine-related or not.
Nice post randfish..well done!
In Page 8/37 you are mentioning the number "X 0,41" for your calculation. Does this refer to the click rate for SERP1 ?
That is awseom rand. I just study the presentation. So it means we need do more and strive more to win the competition. SEO is a long time process.
thanks
great slide show
first time to see factors affecting rankings pie !
if you've got some more time you should check out the new chrome extension for SEO ive developed with Linkscape data (plus a bunch more) it gust got published on youMoz :)
Hey nice tool man
Man this is awesome!
I hope you share some of this great stuff at the Miva Merchant conference when you speak on Thursday.
Great post! I wish I could have been at the event. I was a bit late to the SEO game with my current startup. For the last couple of months I've been reading SEOmoz every day working to incorporate SEO into our core strategy. As you point out, it is a constant process. Hopefully, we can be as successful at it as Yelp.
Loved your slides, more great startup advice.
Why on earth does it states 2008 on the last slide of the presentation? :)
It's just a QA slide, probably used over and over again, no big deal :)
4. SEO is NOT a One Time Event
You'd better not learn it the hard way. It is also a good reason to upsale, let's say an hour bank to your customer if you're the one producing his website.
While you'll be putting some efforts in the SEO process (note process, and not project!) from the beginning (even prior) to the end of the website development, it'll be worthless after a few weeks, months or 1-2 years - depending of the website market - if content is not renewed, and if SEO target is not constantly reevaluated..
Thanks for such great peeks at your presentation Rand.
@ptech - Absolutely, in a day and age where search engines change daily, unless you're creating a system that's going to acquire fresh power content daily, there's no chance that just some foundation SEO will cut it.
I have a schedule type thing that I've put together that I run clients through, from building the website to 6 months of optimization post deployment, ect. When they see and understand what goes on, they relax a little and are not so against monthly retainers..
Hey Rand, just wanted to take a minute to say I really enjoyed this post. I think you just about covered the typical misconceptions I encounter on a regular basis that cause people to start their venture headed in the wrong direction. Oh, maybe you missed "Results don't occur overnight!" :) Well done!
Very nice summary of SEO. It's good to have a reminder of the fundamentals now and again.
Good stuff Rand! You packed a lot of useful info there into one post/presentation!