There's a common misconception that SEO is a "one and done" task -- that you clean up and optimize a site, and once that's done, you can focus your efforts elsewhere. There's so much more to the day-to-day work of an SEO, though, and in today's Whiteboard Friday, Rand walks us through those ongoing parts of the job.
For reference, here's a still of this week's whiteboard!
Video Transcription
Howdy, Moz fans, and welcome to another edition of Whiteboard Friday. This week I want to tackle a question I get sometimes about the day-to-day activities of an SEO and what should you do after you've completed that first site audit, sort of fixed the problems, what does the day-to-day work look like?
A lot of SEOs, especially those coming from consulting backgrounds or who've joined companies as in-house SEOs who've had kind of this big project based SEO work to do, find themselves struggling after that's done. Typically, that process is pretty straightforward. You kind of do an audit. You look at all the things on the site. You figure out what's wrong, what's missing, where are opportunities that we could execute on. Maybe you do some competitive analysis, some market analysis. You identify those fixes. You work with teams to make those changes, validate the results have been completed, and then you're sort of in this, "Well, do I go back and audit again and try to iterate and improve again?"
That doesn't feel quite right, but it also doesn't necessarily feel quite right to go to the very, very old-school SEO model of like, "All right, we've got these keywords we're trying to rank for. Let's optimize our content, get some links, check our rankings for them, and then try to rinse and repeat and keep improving." This model's pretty broken I'd say and just not reflective of the reality of opportunities that are in SEO or the reality of the tactics that work today.
So the way that I like to think about this is the SEO audit, an SEO focused audit -- which is trying to say, "What traffic could we get? What's missing? What's broken and wrong?" -- only works at the low level and the very tactical trenches of a marketing process or a business process. What you really need to do is you want to be more incrementally based, but you need to be informed by and you need to be evolving your tactics and your work based on what is the business need right now.
So this process is about saying, "What are the top level company and marketing goals overall? For everyone in the company, what are we trying to accomplish this year, this quarter, the next three year plan? What are we trying to achieve?" Then figure out areas where SEO can best contribute to that work, and then from there you're creating tactical lists of projects that maybe you're going to positively move the right needles, the ones that you've identified, and then you're going to evaluate and prioritize which ones you want to implement first, second, and third in what order, and test implement those.
So, hey we've figured out that we think that a new blog section for this particular piece of content, or we think that getting some user generated content, building up some community around this section would be terrific, or we think outreach to these kinds of publications or building up our social stats in these worlds will expose us to the right people who can earn us the amplification we'll need to rank better, etc., etc. Okay, this is a fine process, and you're going to want to do this, I would say, at least annually and maybe even think about it quarterly.
All this work is essentially centered on a customer profile universe, a universe of people. I've got my person X, Y, and Z here, but your customer universe may involve many different personas. It may involve just one type of person you're targeting that you're always trying to reach over and over again, but it probably involves also the people who influence that direct subsection of your market.
From there, you can take the, "Hey, you know what, person Z is really interested in and consumes and searches for these types of content topics and these kinds of keywords, so we're going to start by taking keyword set A or content set A and figure out our keyword list and our content list. We're going to create, launch, and promote work that supports that." It could be content pieces, could be video, could be some combination of those things in social media, all forms of content. It could be tools, whatever you want, an application.
We're going to launch that, promote it, and then work on some amplification, and then we're going to measure and learn, which is a critical part of that process. I want to not only see what are my results, but what can I learn from what we just did and hopefully I'll get better and better at iterating on this process. This process will work iteratively, kind of similar to our broken process over here or to our site audit process there. It will work iteratively, and then every now and then you should pop back up and go, "Hey, you know what, I feel like we've exhausted the easiest 80% of value that we're going to get from 20% of the work on keyword set A. Let's move on and go visit keyword set B now, and then let's go visit content set C."
Occasionally, you're even going to want to move one step up and say, "Hey, you know what, maybe our personas or our market is changing a little bit. We want to try targeting some new customers. We're going to look at these folks over here or this guy over here and see if we can reach them and their influencers with new kinds of content and topics and keywords, and that sort of thing."
If your site is rocking and rolling, if you've completed your audit, things are just smooth sailing, then this kind of a process is going to work much better, so long as it's tied to real business objectives. Then when you achieve results here, you can point back to, "Hey, remember I told you these are the areas SEO can contribute to our overall goals, and now I can connect these up directly. The metrics that I get from all this SEO stuff can tie directly to those areas, can tie directly to the business goals." Everyone from the CEO on down is going to love what you're doing for the company.
All right everyone, I hope you'll join me again next week for another edition of Whiteboard Friday. Take care.
Hi Rand,
An excellent WBF! One that's also good to show clients who don't understand the scale / scope of work that goes into making their campaigns successful.
In my experience, additional areas that take up an SEO's day can include:
Client Education
I've yet to speak to a new or prospective client that's had a good understanding of SEO or internet marketing. Some have been guided by (way off the mark) posts about SEO being dead or social being the new SEO. Others are stuck in the dark ages of "keyword stuffing" and once had "performing" websites that are now languishing on page xx.
The majority I speak to have encountered ass-hats that knew jack about SEO and screwed up their website in the process.
I've found that education can take up an enormous amount of time, so unless time is pre-planned, accounted for, billed (where necessary) and allocated to:
..they'll become a huge burden on your time by constantly questioning you and referring to others who've told them miss-information. Using a portion of your day educating clients is one of the best investments you can make, if they're a best-fit and listen to what you're saying.
Good resources for client education: Raven Tools SEO FAQ, PointblankSEO's Keeping Clients Longer & Happier and Linkbird's Tips for Client Education & Increasing Satisfaction.
Project Management
"Begin with the end in mind", Stephen Covey's famous saying from his "7 Habits" book, could not be truer or more important for SEO's to understand. There's a bazillion things we do that need focus, time and expertise. And managing our time is a fundamental part of our day-to-day SEO activities.
I've been on the slippery road of not keeping PM tools updated and leaving "new ideas" until "after the weekend". Come Monday morning and a weekend FULL of family, kids and "stuff", I'm trying to remember where I was at and the "zone" I was in. My advice is to make PM (and updates) a key part of an SEOs daily activity.
Flashes of inspiration and ideas for future marketing campaigns are best added when they surface too.
Client Communications
There's already a ton of information in this area on the net, so I'll keep this short and sweet: an uninformed client will put you in the same bracket as an ass-hat who took their money and run, unless you prove your value otherwise - and this includes staying in touch, being transparent and proving accountability.
Trello is my go-to tool too for this (as well as PM) and I invite every client to monitor the work I'm doing. I recently added an Inbound.org comment, with how I use it here.
Staying "ahead of the curve"
AKA our own education! No sooner do we think we've understood something and "got it" than another change or improvement occurs and we have to research, test and monitor.
This is an area I've really struggled with and I only have 24 hours a day (I'd willingly buy a "2 for 1" if available!) and, as a typical SEO, I'll want to read and understand all about it right now! My friend Ronell Smith wrote a great post about this very subject recently.
So, I now allocate specific times during the week to catch-up. When I'm "in the zone" I'll simply pocket it for later reading. Or I'll add the post / video to my resource section in Trello.
I hope the above additions help others to "claim back" their busy days as SEOs in other important areas, other than technical.
Keep charging ;-)
All excellent points Tony. My intent with the video was to talk about the in-house SEO role primarily, but you make some great additions with regards to consulting relationships (which still make up a huge part of the SEO world, and I suspect always will).
Thanks Rand. I wanted to expand a little on the excellent insights you'd provided, specifically for those who are client-side. It still amazes me how complex the work we do really is compared to the "image" many have of SEO's (due to rogues). No doubt setting this straight is an ongoing challenge to address and resolve, one client at a time :)
Nice points Tony (and Rand) - educating clients is crucial for consultants but it is also important for in house SEOs (although the client being your boss or board). Segmenting personas and targeting them individually is great, but if you haven't got buy in from the powers that be they may start questioning why you are targeting a section of consumers rather than all of them - not because they are stupid but because SEOs are supposed to be wizards ;).
Thanks Simon and very good points. Buy-in from the top should ideally start before work begins. This is why pre-qualifying is vital.
When targeting dispersed audiences, an executive "overview" of how each part of a campaign targets each persona / demo / geo can work well, when laid out over a period of time (showing short, mid and long term goals).
CEO's then get to see the bottom line of how your efforts are increasing profit / market-share / other on each segment and gain confidence that you'll be able to achieve the same results with others.
I always love the extra juice you provide in the comment section.
Thanks for the nice comment Nikola & I like the term "extra juice" :)
My intention is just that, especially when WBF's or blog posts touch on client-side subjects (or related areas). Hopefully, my pre-SEO time in sales and traditional marketing (around 13 years) adds different perspectives to what is a highly technical field.
Excellent Addition, Tony!
Hey Tony hope you are doing well (y) I have a question. is there any difficulty in .biz url for SEO Purpose?????
Not specifically or directly because of the search engines, but .biz has human and brand associations that are hard to shake, and isn't generally as well trusted or familiar as .com. I'd recommend against it if you can.
Thank you so much Rand
I agree with everything you're saying here Rand.
My question is: is referring to the modern role as 'an SEO' severely downplaying what we offer the customer when we're performing this work? For me, referring to someone that conducts this kind of work as 'an SEO' is an understatement and to some extent I think it undervalues the work that you're doing when you are in fact managing huge chunks of a digital strategy (content/search/social to some extent). If you purely work on the audits, then I think SEO is a suitable title, but for me, if your managing and offering the modern strategy involved with search marketing that you've listed above, you're selling yourself short if you call yourself an SEO.
What are your thoughts Rand? I know that you've touched on the labels of 'inbound marketer' in the past and you predicted the use of label to take off more so than it has. I also know that to some extent we're tied to meeting client expectations, and if a client is looking for an SEO consultant (through search, asking their network, etc.), then it pays to call ourself an SEO consultant so that we get found. But, in an ideal world, if you could change preconceptions in the market, what would the ideal title be for the role of the modern 'SEO' who carries out all the work that you've listed in this WBF?
We are digital marketers - no doubt about it. On a local level here in Birmingham SEO or the 'SEO Companies' are 90% link builders managing their own private networks. It is a difficult situation as the term SEO can mean anything from the all round digital marketer (the type of bod that hangs out here) or the link building automated report sending pure SEO companies.
It's difficult and a big part of our job has to be education of our potential customers.
Agree Marcus...
But the problem I am facing sometimes is that whenever we explain the potential customers about actual role of SEO in business and other things. Client accept it at that time but the person(which you say link builder) who meets clients next to us disrupt everything. He just offers a little less to us and client will finalize him. When it happens we don't miss the client only but the reputation of our whole community which is damaged by few link builders....
Hi Liam,
obviously I am not Rand (even if he insist wearing like me ;-)) and obviously I cannot talk in his name, but I "have" to answer you, because your question is something I am asked about a lot too, and I think it implies many other questions behind.
I think that SEO are both SEOs and Inbound Marketers, and that these two natures coexist, as they coexist in Social Marketers, Content Marketers and all the professional figures, who work at the same time on common "contextual/organic/inbound" marketing strategy.
What I am trying to say is that SEO is not synonym of Inbound Marketing, because others disciplines fully work in the Inbound Marketing scene.
As it was quite easy to understand in this WBF, if SEO is not Inbound Marketing but it is indeed part of Inbound Marketing, then the role of a SEO is not to govern and absorb the roles of Social Media, Content Marketing et al, but to offer its own peculiar perspective to what those disciplines can improve their job (and vice versa) and use them in order to amplify and optimize the SEO results themselves (and vice versa).
In this sense, re-using the t-shape marketer concept, SEO is a specialized figure of a wider Inbound Marketing environment: he must know (and use, if it's the case) the characteristics of all the others web marketing disciplines, but be über knowledgeable in everything SEO.
For instance, a SEO must known how Facebook works, how the audience acts there and can contribute in optimizing for Facebook (i.e.: with a correct implementation of Open Graph), but I do not think it is his commitment to also creating a Facebook strategy and deciding how a community strategy should be developed into several social media tactics. Yes, we can contribute with our knowledge and perspective Social Media, but we are not Social Media Strategists/Managers. And, yes, we can help Social Media (or Content Marketers) helping us better, but we cannot substitute them, as they cannot substitute us.
The problem is: what is our mission and fuction as SEOs. That is the real question under yours.
My answer is that it didn't change from what it was since always: making a web site and a brand the more visible and relevant to users in a Search Engine environment (and that includes, for instance, Facebook or Twitter search, or Amazon search),.
Finally, if your job is coordinating and directing the overall strategy and execution of a multi-disciplines strategy (aka: Inbound Marketing strategy), then it is logic to define yourself as Inbound Marketing Director, and it would also be the most correct one, because - as explained before - SEO cannot govern all the others disciplines.
TL;DR
We can be both SEO and Inbound Marketers, and use them both in out "job title".
What we cannot do is just using "inbound marketer" just because it sells better.
As I wrote in a post yesterday on Stateofdigital.com, if we are SEOs, real SEOs and not fake-scammy-crappity-crap "SEOs", we should not have to feel ashamed for calling ourselves SEOs.
For me S E O holds a new title: Search + 'Everything-Else' Optimization. Where one must know their search, and be well versed in Everything-Else web related as its all interconnected. Well said @Gianluca Fiorelli
Well said
Hey Gianluca,
Great reply! You make some excellent points as always. I definitely see where you're coming from with regards the t-shaped marketing and the fact that an SEO can offer a perspective on several facets of digital marketing that have an impact on search results.
I don't personally think that there is one approach to SEO that's necessarily better than others. For me, the fact that each SEO professional will have a different approach to their work is what may cause the difference in opinions regards what our title should be. You talk about T-shaped marketing in digital marketing. I'd say that there may even be a T-shaped approach within SEO as a sub-sector of digital marketing.
For example, you may have someone who has 10 years' experience within the SEO industry and who is a thought leader in technical SEO. They could be perfect for large client/ecommerce projects who have great domain authority, but their site needs reorganisation from a technical SEO perspective to maximise their opportunities. That may be what this person is best at. You may have another person from a marketing background who has a decent knowledge of technical SEO, as much as they need to do the job, but they're real skill is identifying content demand within a niche and creating content that attracts great quality traffic and links (great for start-up websites). I'd say both these people come under the bracket of SEO, but they have a different skill set that is suitable for different types of businesses (that are at different stages of their online presence).
Perfectly said mate!!
Well said Liam !
Gianluca didn't link to his State of Digital post, so I will -- it's really insightful, and I just wanted to endorse that everyone read it.
(Even if we two politely disagree! :)
Titles can be tricky business. In some organizations, you probably will want a broader title (digital marketer, inbound marketer, web marketer, etc) in order to be able to have the authority and influence to operate at the strategic level. But, IMO, what I've described in the video IS what SEO today encompasses. Thus, if a business is hiring an SEO, this should be their expectation - that the SEO will operate at a strategic level, and execute tactically on work that improves search traffic and the opportunities from that traffic.
Whether your title is "SEO" or something else is somewhat less the issue, though. If SEO is the focus of your job (aka driving organic traffic from search), then my hope with this WB Friday is to provide a roadmap/blueprint for how to structure the work you take on in such a way that you provide (and prove) the most value to your organization.
#growthhacker
I've felt the same way. Because of the rise of any & everyone including "SEO" on their resumes and due to the negative connotations the word itself has developed over the years, saying I'm an SEO seems to severely undervalue/underestimate what I do and the value I bring to an organization. I've had clients ask what my official title is & say something like, "You obviously do more than SEO & have become more of our business consultant." I'm probably partially to blame for not correcting them / clarifying what the right definition of an SEO is...
On the flip side, though, using something like "Digital Marketing Strategist" & not including SEO in the title seems almost worse (& silly considering it's been my primary focus for the last 6+ years)... not to mention how many "Digital Marketers" should not consider themselves SEOs (yet). Ahh, such a tricky thing... I guess that's why I stick with referrals who've already been filled in on the value I offer regardless of my LinkedIn title!
On the flip side, though, using something like "Digital Marketing Strategist" & not including SEO in the title seems almost worse
In my comment I was suggesting to have that kind of job definition if you doing more than only SEO, as saying directing and supervising on a strategic front the activity of all the digital marketing disciplines.
In some companies organizations, especially because of the impossibility of having an ideal digital marketing team, Digital Marketing Strategist and SEO may be one person, who will direct the digital marketing team and taking direct responsibility of the SEO aspect.
That situation is less uncommon of what we may expect, as it is quite the standard in small to medium companies.
Completely agree. I think I struggle with it more now that I'm independent from an agency setting, as you can see in my response to the client question I referenced.
PS. thinking about putting this up on my office wall: "if we are SEOs, real SEOs and not fake-scammy-crappity-crap 'SEOs,' we should not have to feel ashamed for calling ourselves SEOs." Amen!
What I actually do all day.
Amazing. How is this not your profile picture for everything??
I couldn't stop myself from laughing. When I saw you are holding that book. I dont know why ?
I was seriously reading the comments on the right "title" whether SEO or Digital marketing strategists when saw your comment Cyrus, that made me laugh!
It's amazing all you have to do SEO in their day to day, at the end of the day, the brain must be asking for help!
Ciro lol You rejoiced the my day.
Moz is greeting? Hi Moz :D
This week's WBF reminds me of what I often think of as 'organization SEO' (as opposed to the expected site optimization), which stemmed from Jonathon Colman's comments about how "it takes a village of creative teams, developers, information managers, and leadership to actually get sustainable, scalable SEO work off the ground...Once organic search is built into your strategies and is part of the process that guides everyone’s work, then it no longer sticks out like a sore thumb or seems like a special one-off effort."
For this to work, our aim needs to be at educating and enabling everyone in the company (creative teams, marketing, PR, developers, information managers, leadership, etc) with a clear understanding of how SEO works and its implications on nearly every business and branding decision. SEO opportunity is everywhere, so I'd say another facet of day-to-day life is finding ways to respectfully insert yourself (as the SEO lead) into as many company conversations as possible... which also means that investing time & energy into fully understanding the brand message/product/service/customers, how the organization functions, how people/teams interact, and, as you said, what the company (& departmental) goals are is a critical part of your job. We can't just be an "extension of the marketing team," but really have to put skin in the game, show face, and walk miles in the customers' shoes. In my opinion, this is an area where SEO consultants (the good ones!) and in-house SEOs are winning against agencies.
Amen!
Loved your White Friday segment Rund. You are absolutely Right mostly seo still doing the old tactics. But My question is whats the modern SEO called? Searching Everything ? But what about our clients??? They want specific keywords on top ranks with traffic. They can't understand hummingbird. They just want their keywords on first page. And its quite difficult to convince them.
I upvoted this comment because -- while not grammatically wonderful, which is understandable since English may not be this person's native language -- it does reveal a significant issue that is facing the industry.
We can talk all day about strategies involving 1.) building vs. earning links; 2.) what's the best way to do web design for mobile; and 3.) what type of content works best for what purpose. But at the end of the day, many of our clients will always ask one question and one question only: How can this help me to rank highly in Google?
I disagree with that premise, but it's a realistic nature of the work of those who brand themselves as "SEOs." Fairly or unfairly, that's the brand of "SEO." So, we need to ask ourselves: How do we respond when clients or bosses ask that question?
That's what I think this person is asking, and it's a very fair question.
Oops. Sorry about the grammatically mistake. But Its the most common problem with seo's that how to deal with client :/
I understand! I've got a second language in which I'm not perfect myself, so I know how hard it can be. But I upvoted your comment on your comment because it's very, very true. :)
I upvoted her comment too. A key point is indeed shared :)
When that question is posed, I ask the client:
"What is more important to your businesses' bottom line? Ranking in Google or profit?"
Rarely am I told "ranking in Google". Often I'm told "Well, that's obvious.. Profit !"
Then I continue..
"Well, contrary to popular (incorrect) belief, ranking highly on Google will not give you more profit or greater market-share. What will give you more profit and greater market-share is sales, orders and qualified leads."
To achieve / generate these, your site has to do a far better job of proving your credibility, worth (within 5 to 6 seconds) and trust as a viable alternative to others.
To do this, it must put the visitor first.
What we will do, with your help, feedback and input is prove to Google that not showing your web pages, when people use Google to search for products or services, will make them look silly.
This means that we need to focus on creating the best experience for your ideal customers, while ensuring Google knows exactly what your page is about, in order to show it."
My boldness in the above is simple: to set myself apart from other SEO's who only care for "rankings", whereas I care (deeply) that the client improves profit and achieve business goals.
I'll add that if the relationship starts off on the "ranking in Google" premise, at some point in the relationship, client expectations will not be met. When this happens, they'll look elsewhere - irrespective of all your hard work. To avoid this, play as hard ball as possible (they'll thank you one day!) and focus on their business goals and objectives.
You are absolutely right. I agree with you. But you know nah some clients sticks on their point. Like they didn't understand hummingbird they just want their keywords in ranks that's the main problem.
There's many of those type of clients Beenish. I've had my fair share too ;) When they stick to their point, I'll stick to mine. If that means they go elsewhere with another company, so be it.
By standing firm, you'll attract more of the best-fit clients due to your attitude and conviction :)
got your point thanks Tony
Beenish, you're welcome! As SEO's, we go another day. Keep the faith :))
Thanks Tony and Samuel :)
Tony, your comments in this thread are awesome! Just wanted to throw out a personal example that crystalizes what you're saying. :)
I had a client once who sold widgets (I'll say). They ranked #8 and had a conversion rate of 1%. They were obsessed about ranking first.
So, I said: "If you rank first but only convert 1% if the traffic, then you'll lose a lot of potential customers. It'd be a waste. How about we focus first on increasing the conversion rate and then worry about rankings and traffic? The net sales and revenue will be far higher."
Then, his eyes lit up.
Thank you Samuel, as are yours my friend!
And what a story (well done!) - we can all learn from that. We all just need to be a little bolder on how we communicate our convictions :)
Thank you so much Tony and Samuel love to hear your experiences. I will try to adopt your kinda bold attitude in ma work :-)
Awesome Samuel (y)
I totally agree with your point here Beenish, and the fact that clients are focusing on rankings is because they have been misguided by some SEO's who unfortunately are still working on the same old methodologies and are no way up to date to modern, continuously evolving SEO.
As Tony rightly mentioned, Educating clients should be the main focus because its their money being spent & they have the right to know what is being done for them. Rand's this week's WB Friday episode not only helps SEO's to understand what their daily roles and responsibilities are but also educate the clients what they should expect from an SEO.
Hey Rand
I think one of the most important things an SEO can do for his customers is help them understand how to use search to their best advantage. Of course, there are the nuts and bolts of audits and keyword research and optimisation and content and (yada yada) but ultimately, it is the deep understanding of the digital landscape that is the most valuable tool in our arsenal.
Helping clients truly understand and leverage opportunities whilst avoiding potentially disruptive factors that could break many a narrow marketing model is where the SEO becomes more than the sum of his parts.
Or, of course, it could be that we don our Hogwarts cap and gown and wave our magic SEO wands like Harry Potter - I am sure that is what a great deal of clients expect!
Happy Friday
Marcus
Hi marcus
I agree with your statement. In short SEO is not only result orientated tough work but also a difficult task to understand the customer requirement and analyzing them. Specially if continuous work on same project & in-house then that's too much difficult to satisfy them.
This blog explains a lot why SEOs are so dog-gone tired! All that hat switching .. Thank God its WBF and we can soon see some rest soon.. but we all know.. we will be cracking at it early Saturday morning!..
Truth! With all we do, a work/life balance is something we need to strive for (if possible..) :)
Thanks for the post, maybe i miss a client communication, (both telephone and meetings)... yes, is so bored and hard... but is necessary
Hi Rand,
I need your help and guidelines for New SEO Strategy!
Please Help me and Guide me.
1. Which SEO strategy will be focusing on in 2015?
2. What is the most important SEO techniques as of now?
Thank You & Kind Regards,
Abinash
Hi Rand,
Superb WBF. Would you be discussing buyer persona in current scenario... On same topic there are blogs on moz.com published in 2008, 2013 & first part of 2014. So would like to see yainour view point.
thank you very much again,
Sandip
I would say this an eye opener post for many many SEOs. With updated google algorithms, changing content rules, mobile devices and many other new factors many SEOs are under threat of loosing their jobs as they are not being able to contribute to the organization or project after a certain limit. I have seen many SEOs sitting idle for a long time. Smart organizations are putting more efforts in retaining good content creators and SEOs need tobe much smarter in that case to sustain in volatile market.
An SEO must instigate the creation of engaging and informative contextual content for targeted audiences.
YES...thanks Rand! You have such a clean and clear delivery. This is the perfect video to help support the message we've been trying to communicate to many of our customers who still expect and want SEO 'the old way'.
This also highlights what we feel SEO has shifted to and that is more of an alignment with the business and marketing vs. its own siloed discipline looking for very specific technical SEO results.
Cheers...
myth of SEO is pretty foolish to learn .
Got you Rand :)
Thansk Rand Fishkin i am a great fan of your blogs as its to much helpful for such guys who have their new brain and experience in search industry as like me.I am always waiting for whiteboard Friday as to learn something new and i found it there. After looking all this updates i am always thinks of what new activities i have to try but every point is cleared after reading this article. Have to much work to doo in Daily basis SEO for a product or service base clients.
I get asked all the time what I'm doing and find it difficult to relay the information simply sometimes. Thanks for the great post!
Pretty awesome post Rand!
So basically focus more on generating high quality targeted content and less on building backlinks. If content is good backlinks will follow.
I need some more informative links where i could review SEO 2015 step by step, can someone suggest a brief link ?
Does not mean this video tutorial is not informative but i need with the explanation means how to do SEO work....
Thanks.
Thank you, sometimes is hard to explain to my coworkers what an SEO do exactly haha
Superb post Thanks for sharing
Hey Rand,
Awesome WBF Episode. I've been watching you for the long time, but this is the first time I actually ask you something because I just created my Moz Pro acc.
What do you think about in-post linking in the Video Transcription to other articles. Let say when you were talking about the types of content topics and kinds of keywords person Z wants, it would be a lot useful it here is a hyperlink that leads you to an article that's focused on the highlighted word (in this example, explaining how to research types of content topics your audience wants)
This is just an example, but I believe you see my message
I hope you read this
Yeah - I think that's a great idea. We do it a little bit, but we should do more, because WB Friday often references ideas and topics for which we have great posts. Thanks for the nudge!
I remember those days when we were doing on daily task based SEO, such as link building job, while in those day since 2009, the admin assigned us the targeted keywords and order us to post this sort of keywords weather its two phrase or three phrase words, posted on different platforms like, business directories, Social bookmarking sites, Profile site, forums discussion boards (not relevant), blog commenting.
When Algorithm arrive:-
when Google algorithm arrive after Feb -2011, people called us a name, spammers, while in starting keywords stuffing is considered as a good thing in SEO, the more stuffed keywords will give you a better results, i have seen many website in those times, when SME's sort of companies stuffed targeted keywords and place their clients site on the top page results.
I like the thought process here and can definitely see my own approach and evolvement with SEO over the years. Most often a client could look at SEO and think of it as "only" a project, but taking the step towards tying SEO efforts with business goals are always key.
However, some clients do not think that these to stick together. Well this is mostly clients who do not understand online marketing at all, but that is the point.
SEO should be understandable for even the CFO or CEO and using an approach like this, is a great argument.
Thanks Rand... Well Said
Fantastic WBF Rand and for the reason that too many companies or strategies out there is the older model of audit, keyword selection, content creation, link, repeat. What this video did is really point out how to evolve or learn from that initial campaign that is launched from the first round.
Many times it seems that all the focus is on the keywords and not the overall goals, but changing from a word strategy to a goal strategy will keep a customer happy forever instead of allowing the limitations of the words to top out in search. Thank you for the direction and also new game plan for a client I have coming up.
Great advice, Rand! It's always smart to connect top-level goals to the actual things you're doing day-to-day.
Thanks for another powerful whiteboard, Rand.
I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with my SEO role.
Most of my time is spent trying to make my white hat efforts effective enough to compete with the sketchy techniques of my clients' competitors.
Wearing all the hats of an honest SEO is hard work, and it's a very frustrating exercise to see websites benefiting from things we all know should be getting them banned or penalized.
So far I've been able to convince them that going slow and steady and building for long-term success by keeping within the lines is best. But I'm starting to wonder if a link building scheme isn't so bad. It's working for my competitors...
Most of my time is spent trying to make my white hat efforts effective enough to compete with the sketchy techniques of my clients' competitors...
But I'm starting to wonder if a link building scheme isn't so bad. It's working for my competitors...
Anything black-hat will eventually crash and burn in the end. If you want to satisfy your clients that you are doing the right thing, send them case studies, articles, and more about websites that had used those techniques and had gotten caught. Remind them about short-term vs. long-term benefits.
Thanks Samuel - I know you're right. It'd be easier to soldier on if there was a way to "tell on" sites that are giving us a bad name.
There is Randall -> Report SPAM at Google - press "Report SPAM" and enter details. There's obviously no guarantee that Google will take immediate action, but it'll help Google understand WebSpam better and stop ass-hats getting away with it ;-)
Thanks Tony - I've only reported adwords abuses. I'll use those links too. The ones that get me are the nonsense comments on semi-popular blogs that have nothing to do with the target business, but get a decent strength inbound link. Google doesn't seem to care, but I'm not going to spend my time building links that way - and thankfully, again, my clients don't want their company name being used that way.
Just wish it didn't work so well...
Pleasure Randall. Those nonsense comments would not appear if the webmasters' of the blogs removed them, although I know that fully moderating the bigger blogs would be a full-time job in itself.
Although we all see spam online, Google will catch up with every website's "footprint" eventually. This is also why SEO takes time and patience - nothing happens overnight. And the more competitive the online market-place for a particular industry, the longer it can take.
That's also why it's important to help client's online profiles / assets become an "authority". As I often say, make it plain stupid for a page not to be shown by Google because it kicks a subjects ass that much with help and expertise.
The good news is that Google is getting better (daily) at rewarding those sites that take their online profiles seriously.
Keep the faith champ ;-)
We've all been there, Randall! Stay the course!!
Hi Rand, thanks for sharing this great timely post. Actually, I am meeting a new client today what wanted us to discuss how SEO can help his business to gain exposure and get more customers online. So, exactly, my discussion is going to be focus on educating myself about his business goals and show him how our Day-to-Day SEO work will help his company meet those goals..
Great post!
Alex
Hey Rand
You are saying completely right things. I work for in-house projects and continuously working for 1 website get irritated but in month end when audit the keyword ranking up-down and analytics data then it's boost up me and wake up my interest take new changes for implementing the keywords ranking in new circumstances.
Most of SEO professionals and companies are committed to Guarantee SEO result to their client; they are doing unbelievable Spamming for Top ranking.
They'd better have a plan on what to do the day after it all falls apart.
I don't think that's "most" of the SEO professionals or consultants, just the loud, spammy ones (which, sadly, have created a poor reputation for the rest of us).
Rand, the majority of self professed "Experts" in our part of the world still fooling businesses that indeed damaging the image of SEOs but now we're also seeing some awareness here and hopefully this "majority" will soon convert into "minority" :)
yes i agree with you Rand
Rand,
It's a very important topic and the things you pointed out can referred as the professional objectives of SEOs. As we all know, the responsibilities of a professional SEO have been multiplied in last years and we have to start thinking on the different tangent to serve the companies more efficiently and smartly!
Cheers,
Very nice post!
You are right in all! Thanks for sharing.
Carlos Zambrana
Great post I still work with people from time to time that think of SEO in terms of the tricks that can be performed on site to get a site ranking and they don't tend to understand that SEO is now so much more than tinkering with keyword density of just building links.
We do all this and more... and get you #1 on Google for $49.00 per month (lol) ;-)
You said "Well, do I go back and audit again and try to iterate and improve again?". That almost never happens specially for medium to large businesses. In one of my last few jobs as in-house SEO it took our developer team over 2 months to implement and published a friendly 404 page then they forgot to include the Google Analytics code in it and that took another 2 weeks. The implementation of SEO is really the tricky part most places I have worked at and most clients thats where they have problem with. There I believe it is very necessary for SEOs to act as product managers and project managers working with different teams (content, dev, PR) ensuring the job gets done. Thats what SEOs should really do.
very, very old-school SEO model of like, "All right, we've got these keywords we're trying to rank for. Let's optimize our content, get some links, check our rankings for them, and then try to rinse and repeat and keep improving." This model's "pretty broken" I'd say ??? You can say it and you would be wrong.
This is very basic SEO formula. There are dozens of steps in between however everything you do in SEO involves
(1) Preparing a list of targeted keywords [The SEO Targets]
(2) Optimize Content [types of content will vary]
(3) Get Links [Your methods will vary]
(3) Measure Success [Your definition of success will vary]
I don't think it is pretty broken at all
The methods have changed over the years but you still need a list of keywords you still need optimized content you need links to build authority and you need to measure your results ... rinse repeat ,,,,
That's my 2 cents
I understand what you're saying, but I think you're missing an important point: modern technical SEO.
What about local SEO, international SEO, Google's Knowledge Base, and schema markup? And Google+ Authorship (should it ever return in one form or another)? Google Shopping and Google Merchant Center? Google in-depth articles? Google News?
Google's SERPs have changed dramatically, and we need to take that into account.
Plus, I'd personally argue that almost all of the old methods to get links are dead. As regular Moz readers know, I advocate the use of public relations, publicity, and advertising to build brands and generate awareness that result in the best links indirectly as by-products.
It's a completely different world today. As Google's algorithm aims -- imperfectly so far but increasingly accurately -- to emulate human sentiment, the more that good, old-fashioned marketing will be important in SEO.
What about local SEO, international SEO, Google's Knowledge Base, and schema markup? And Google+ Authorship (should it ever return in one form or another)? Google Shopping and Google Merchant Center? Google in-depth articles? Google News?
Everything is above is covered in steps 1 to 3 or was that the second 3 , not sure I can not count past number 1 anyways, ha .. a lil joke
Google's SERPs have changed dramatically ...... are you talking to me? I have been at this for 20 years x 70 hours per week and built hundreds of websites.
I'd personally argue that almost all of the old methods to get links are dead YEAH no kidding BUT MY POINT IS YOU STILL NEED Links
The methods have changed but you still need links and hopefully they are quality links.
But you don't do something to get links indirectly I don't know maybe it is just me but you come up with a plan to get links indirectly.
When I think of getting links Indirectly it may mean that you don't know who is going to link to you but if you to your job with joy and diligence you will received thank you's in the form of back links.
It is not the what but the why
I agree My Brother Scott Old School SEO is mostly dead and SEO will never go back.
Now you need to be an authority or have a high trust ranking and pay attention to the technical aspects of SEO
This model's "pretty broken" ? Not Really
Have a great weekend everybody
When Mr. Rand said the classic keyword focused SEO (including link building) is broken, I am shocked. I thought that there are still queries like "guaranteed SEO services" reporting in webmaster. There are people who still want guaranteed ranking for their bunch of keywords.
But thanks Mr. Rand for giving a new process and so the definition for keyword based SEO. Today's keyword research is not about those hard coded broad phrases, but it is about what people are searching right now. What people are asking for or looking for give you bunch of nice and handsome long tail keywords.
There are people who still want guaranteed ranking for their bunch of keywords.
Then it's our job -- both as individuals and as an industry -- to educate those people that it's 2015, not 2005. There's barely anything as a specific "ranking" today anyway because of personalized search. If ten people search for the same query, they will see ten different SERPs based on their location, language, browser, device, Google+ use, (perhaps) Twitter (again soon), prior searches, and countless other facts.
Amen to that Samuel!
Totally agree that our job is to educate folks about how and why modern SEO works. That said, one issue with your reply Samuel - in a broad analysis, we found that personalized search and non-personalized rankings aren't actually massively different most of the time for most searchers - see Dr. Pete's work on that here.
Must have missed that -- I'll check it out!
Yes that Dr. Pete's article can help a lot to educate the clients.
@Samuel Honestly after being too much bold and loosing so many prospect I have now almost moved to profit sharing or lead based inbound marketing. That gives me satisfaction because it allows me to do what I feel good for them and good result means good earning that makes happy both of us (me and my client). Obviously not getting paid for initial few months but that is accepted by choice.
Totally agreed with you Samuel, majority of people (at least in my region) are still following the same old crappy methods to gain ranks on specific keyword. Most of the time I have to teach people about not to go crazy over link building but to think it as marketer to market the product and services with the way they deserve
Can any one guide me about where stand keyword based SEO ?
Think less about the keywords and more about the user intent behind them. Also think less about individual keywords and more about keyword themes for a website section or page based on semantic understanding.
Keywords certainly still matter (see best practices on that here), but Samuel is absolutely right - we need to be thinking about topics and themes (see WB Friday on that here).
It's what clients demand when what they actually need is a good (technical) marketer. I use that word to sell my marketing job, long time since I gave up using it to define myself (as Moz did when they changed their naming from SEOMoz to just Moz)
Thanks..
More or less our everyday at work. ! We love our work. ! love SEO.!!
Your posts are always so informative and innovative for the marketeers :) Keep it up.
Thank you for another great WBF, Rand! I appreciate your videos:)
awesome tactic i tried it next project
Wow ! I really like your kinds of work. Its good to read and watch
TO ALL THE SEO's OUT THERE!
A good SEO should always know what they're doing, and also how to leverage their time and knowledge in the ideal combination. Today just happened to be an inspired day with some good opportunities. Hang around at whiteboard friday and you'll get a handle on some of the things that go into it, at least to understand the time and energy commitment on top of the knowledge.
*EDIT from Rand - removed live link
Downvoted for link spam. Seriously, dude. Do you not think the readers of Moz can see what you're doing?
Dude your logz.io is a worthless piece of program. So sorry for being demotivational.