As always, it's the dramatic moments that get the most press. At Las Vegas' Pubcon this year, one of the most talked-about moments was Matt Cutts' introduction at the podium during the Super Session at the end of (day 3) Thursday. I got a few emails through the suggestion box asking if I'd make a post on the topic (and heard plenty of buzz at the conference itself). Let's hope my memory serves me well.
Matt rose to the stage and first, asked a few questions of the audience. He wanted folks to raise their hand if they were over 30 or under 30 (I couldn't see the audience, but he said it favored the under 30 crowd). He then asked how many folks were more red state or blue state (I believe he specifically re-worded it as "How many people were happy with the mid-term elections"). I couldn't believe my ears and stood slightly to turn around the room and look - it appeared to be about 65-70% "happy with mid-term elections." Two gentlemen to my right appeared to take quick offense, and one muttered to the other (as the "blue state" types were raising their hands) "f--kers." Almost simultaneously, a woman behind me said something to her friend about "damn liberals" - I imagine that there were negative comments during the "red state" hand-raising as well, but didn't hear them from where I was sitting. From talking to others afterwards, however, I gathered that I wasn't alone in hearing antagonistic mutterings.
I want to make it clear that I don't blame Matt at all - I think he was geniunely interested to see what the demographics of the WebMasterWorld conference looked like and had no ill intention whatsoever. However, as I've noted in the past on the issue of mixing politics and business, the emotions run so strong that it can be a danger to friendly relationships of all types when these leanings are exposed. It's sad that politics is a topic that can't be discussed in friendly company - certainly disagreements on nearly every other issue are easily shrugged off in the conference environment.
That evening at the events I attended, many folks used the event as a starting point for conversation (myself included). While no one I talked to felt offended, nearly everyone was shocked - some even thought Matt (being someone who carefully chooses his words, particularly in front of an audience) was motivated in some way to "stir the pot." The most negative comments I heard were from folks who felt massively uncomfortable and concerned that business or personal relationships they had with the folks around them could be damaged by raising their hand and exposing their viewpoints. I admit that I can empathize with that sentiment.
Obviously, it's nowhere close to the most important incident of the event, nor nearly the most interesting, but it certainly can make for a useful lesson - beware of injecting dangerous subject matter into an unfamiliar audience and use caution when exposing your politics.
Now back to the important stuff...
I wish I was sitting near you at this.
I say kudos to Matt, and Google for addressing politics.
https://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/bu...
Some facts-
"Out of 145 contributions from Google executives and employees in the past two years, all but four went to Democrats and liberal groups including moveon.org, according to data from Political Money Line, which tracks money in politics."
"Google NetPAC, launched last month, is contributing to three Republicans, including two of the most endangered GOP House members."
"In the past, Google executives have given overwhelmingly to Democrats and liberal groups."
"The new Google PAC also gave $1,000 each to two Democrats: Rep. Anna Eshoo of Palo Alto, whose district includes Google's headquarters, and Sen. Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, who is running for re-election."
I asked Matt about the Google PAC on his blog awhile back, and he admitted he is kind of new to Politics. Given that Google staffers give to the Blue State's, and their PAC gives to Red State's, seems to me like Matt’s asking “where webmaster's fall” may just be about him trying to decide what side of the fence he may want to lean to.
On second thought I would be willing to bet it was the mind control chips the DOD installed in him during his co-op at the NSA making him ask the question. https://blog.outer-court.com/archive/2005-11-1...
Poor guy he probably wasn’t even aware he was asking a question.
Who coined the phrase "Mean Spirited"? Was it used to hurt the republicans? Was it a political linkbait?
I happen to enjoy the psychology of politics, sorry!
I'm having a hard time understanding why this is getting so much buzz.
Was it self-indulgent? Yes. Should he have done it? Probably not. Does it affect his position within Google and the communication that he provides to us non-Googlers? Absolutely not.
Remember, he was formerly GoogleGuy. He never claimed to be "GoogleGod." Give the man a break.
Who's giving him a hard time about it? I specifically said that I thought it was innocent and nothing more than curiousity. I don't think anyone is associating this with something negative on Matt's part. It just made for lots of buzz, several uncomfortable moments and a few emails...
I was there and I raised my hand to join others who were happy with the mid-term results. Right next to me was a good friend and business associate from Utah who didn't raise his hand with me. I know he's a right leaning Mormon from Utah; he knows I'm a godless social progressive and fiscal conservative from Virginia. We suffer eachother gladly. In fact, I have an equal number of friends and associates on either side of the political spectrum. We all suffer eachother gladly. In a crowd of 1,000 people there were only a handful of mean spirits that grumbled out loud. I think more should be spoken about the vast majority of people in attendance who expressed their views while also remaining deeply respectful of those with differing opinions.
>not so sure it is the "most talked about"
I was at the other end of the Strip (NYNY) and while a few session gaffs and (mis)comments made it back for dinner conversation, everything seemed kinda tame this year. Oh, except the lock-down on invitations to the Y party, I heard lots of bitching about that.
Can someone point me to links where this is being talked about other than here? I am not so sure it is the "most talked about" Pubcon thing, so if this is true/then this was infact a linkbait. :)
If you followed the elections people do not like to be tricked which will be sure death to those who take pride in linkbaiting for political gain. It is democracy in action and the system is strong.
To me, Yahoo and MSN using the Google sitemaps protocol is just so much more interesting, but I come from a webmaster background.
Hooray for being able to mumble, grumble, and get all bothered about politics in public settings at all. Millions have died for the privilege. No matter how it starts; no matter how it plays out, may it never, ever end.
Amen! While it's certainly a highly personal subject (probably second only to religion in terms of getting hackles up) the fact that we have the right to carry on debate about political ideology--or anything else for that matter--is THE fundamental principle of this country.
As S.G. Tallentyre said, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
Voltaire said that first. :)
Interesting, but I thought the most talked about thing was the response Matt Cutts gave an audience member in the Interactive Site Review. A member asked for his site to be reviewed and when Matt looked over the site he questioned why he had other sites that were just parked with Ads on it. In response the guy asked Matt what does this has to do with the site he was asking about since those other sites were not linking to the site in question.…
When the guy questioned why Matt cared about his parked domains, Matt said in more or less terms that it’s better to focus on a main site, not many little ones.
After the session several people brought this up and questioned why Matt said such a thing. It was very strange…
Adam - I missed that session; is there any specific coverage of the event? - I'd be very interested to hear more about it.
Rand, check out https://www.cshel.com/domains/2006/11/anything...
It's pretty obvious that Google is packed with liberals. Duh.
It sounds kind of funny to me. Being from Spain, where we have a lot more political options to choose from, from left to right and from nationally to regionally focused, I don't think the question was appropriate. And not being a pertinent question at that place and moment, I would not have raised my hand. If nobody had raised their hands at either option, it would have been crystal clear for Matt the inopportuneness of his question.
Honestly, until you mention it here i never even thought twice about it. People sometimes grab the first thought to make a point.
Matt is not the type to try to stir it up. He is a generally nice guy and it should be left at that.
I'm still in awe of the concept that people in one of the most culturally/ethnically/socially diverse nations in the world continue to attempt to stuff themselves into one of two parties/viewpoints.
With so many people trying to peg themselves into fitting a certain party profile, I can't see either one being able to actually hold any viewpoint other than "we are different those other guys".
Oh well. I guess you get the politicians you deserve to get. Having voted for the party currently in power in Canada, I'm getting a real feel for being the author of my own punishment, so I'm not terribly inclined to throw stones...
I keep missing PubCon - I'll definately have to make it one of these days. Darn clients keep insisting I actually do work instead...
Ian
Don't let them fool you Ian - being in the SEO world isn't about working, it's about (net)working :)
You're right, though - Canadians do seem a good bit less confrontational about their politics. We need to figure out how you can be gun owners that don't shoot each other, too.
OMG Ian, you voted for the shameless American-loving fear-mongering gun-happy healthcare-cutting money-wasting environment-killing Satan-worshippers?!.. I mean.. Conservatives ?!
[Insert expletives and insults here]
(just kidding... trying out the "American" way)
I wouldn't touch the color (blue/red) question either, but that's because I'm so sick of our being color coded.
Thank goodness people weren't obligated to raise their hands. :) If that was one of the most talked-about things at the conference, then the Yahoo! and MSN parties were unusually quiet. :)
You see what happens - Yahoo! & MSN go all out and then you steal their thunder, just like always. Naughty, naughty Googlers grabbing all the press like that...
Of course, it could just be that there are those of us who'd prefer to keep the YPN & MSN parties in the background :)
wow nice mean-looking fu-manchu thing you have going there. Is that more of a red or blue look? :p
So it wasn't the chip in your head? Did that hurt?
"All of those mumblers are the problem with this country"
See why politics don't belong in the workplace? Mumble the wrong way and you're what's wrong with the country.
I read an interview with Meat Loaf (for this transgression I have no defense) in Rolling Stone and, being a Texan, they asked him if he agreed with the stand, of sorts, made by the Dixie Chicks against Bush. "Wouldn't touch that question with a ten-foot pole". Perfect answer.
It is sad that an earnest question, "Are you happy with Mid-Term Election," is watered down to a Rep/Dem question. The election was decided by the swing voters who all swung left after gross misconduct by the previous congress.
All of those mumblers are the problem with this country; people who are more interested in defending an invisible than doing what is best for the country. For all of you who raised your hand I will consider you on the merits of your work, not how you want congressional district represented.
We'll that is true but Matt did start it with something like "I was going to ask blue state or red state, but I think it would be better to just ask who's happy with the mid-term elections."
Wow, indeed. Not a big deal to me. You mean you really think that people only deal with those that lean left or right? Maybe I am naive, but I can't even fathom that, in spite of my intense Libertarian and capitalist views. Hell, some of my best friends are yellow-dog democrats. Maybe I just mellowed out when I turned 40.
I had no problem raising my hand to be counted as a black hat (although I'd say I'm more of a middle gray) but wouldn't go anywhere near the red/blue state question, specifically because it might cost me some consulting work. The world is a funny place ....
My prior dance with politics and my SEO blogging didn't work out to well....but since this isn't my blog... ;)
I'll admit that I'm a liberal peace loving tree hugger.
This doesn't stop me or bias me from hiring those with backgrounds that I guess might pit thier politics against mine. I can work with people who have different political view than mine
As far as clients, I wouldn't care their own personal politics either, and I hope if they know mine, that doesn't bother them eneough to stop paying me, or loose me future clients...But to my own satisfaction, I have had the honor of turning down one of the armed forces as a client.
hey tree hugger! go suck a tree! :p
Michael - I think this is exactly how many others reacted to the question.
I always hated the "raise your hand of you think..." questions. Teachers are wonderful at posing them to classes. Invariably, the question has a right or wrong answer and if you raised your hand for the wrong answer, an entire lecture hall of people knows what an idiot you are. Although I have strong political opinions, I don't believe there is a right answer to Matt's question.
I think it was okay for him to ask it because no one was required to answer. I wasn't as shocked as many of you were!
I believe the phrase 'Only In America' is apt here. Coming from Down Under, I am always amazed at the political polarization of Americans. The level of affiliation many Americans place on a political party is rarely seen in Australia. Ask the same question at a Sydney conference and the audience would all be yawning at the inanity of the issue.
So I'm not sure what that says about Australian politics but wow! That this was one of the focal points of PubCon is very difficult for an Aussie to comprehend.
Hi Shor...good comment. I am not sure if you feel the same way, but to me this polarization has been getting more and more pronounced in the years since Clinton's impeachment. I spend some time occasionally reading the comments attached to a Yahoo! News story, and am amazed to see the true vehement hatred portrayed by some posters.
Anyway, your comment reminded me of when I lived in Canberra in the mid-seventies. If you will recall there was quite an uproar back then between the Labour Party and some others, which in my opinion (as I look back) was pretty spirited as well. Have these types of arguments completely subsided, or would you say that the feelings are still there however more muted?
I think this is true because America is so huge, and so populous, with a broad spectrum of idealogical alignments and social lives, that many different points of view. Plus, America is unique that there are a lot of 10-30,000 person towns out there that sway elections more than people give credit.
That said, I personally didn't see too much wrong with what Matt said at PubCon.
Shor, before I came to the States (from New Zealand), I didn't really give two hoots about politics, either. Everything is terribly partisan over here... if you take an apathetic stance on politics, that's considered an extreme political statement, too! Indeed, if someone had asked Matt's question in New Zealand, most of the people in the room would not only have been bored, but would have struggled to remember who won the election in the first place!
Backing up Janes claim, New Zealand politics ranks far below the season champion of the footie. The same goes with politics across the Tasman, are we voting for Howard or Howard w/ "Family Values".
Maybe Danny's been across the pond too long. Being in neither camp, I'm strictly apolitical, this kind of thing ticks me off! Politics have polarized Americans to the point that there is no middle ground. I mean people just stated their political leanings and others called them f...kers and damn liberals? What is that about?
Let's quit fighting among ourselves and take time to thank those serving us in Washington. Thanks you politicians for all your hard work sending our kids to die for oil, greasing your palms, covering up for each others sins, and kissing plenty of lobbyist ass. We know it's a tough job but please do whatever you can to keep your precious Washington office and don't waste your time thinking about "we the people".
Anybody that thinks things will be any different now had better wake up and smell the stench of greed, corruption and intolerance that permeates this country from sea to shining sea.
Damn liberals, let me at them!!!
=P
I wasn't there but it doesn't sound like that big of a deal to me. It's a strange question, but who cares?
If you read someones blog long enough or deal with them personally for any length of time, you figure these things out on your own.
I have never had a coworker or business acquaintance reveal there political affiliation in such a way that I reacted with shock or surprise. I've usually got them figured out by then. As long as they are not trying to lecture me on some sort of extremest POV, I don't have a problem.
Dave - agreed; not a "big deal" in any sense, but naturally, a big topic of conversation; hence the post.
When I read the title, for a minute there I thought the post was either about that couple making whoopie at the Yahoo! party or (I was hoping) about my drink spam campaign. Oh well, politics it is!
Chris - your drinks for links campaign was awesome; I told several folks how impressed I was by the marketing buzz you generated. Congrats!
Thanks Rand, I appreciate your contributions to the buzz!
Seriously, I had a blast with the campaign. Now let's see if I can muster up any clean linkage from the antics!
Well, that was a nice try for a linkbait from Matt!
Hey Rand, I met you very briefly @ Pubcon. You were hard to miss w/ the yellow Puma sneakers (sneak-bait?).
I was in the super session, but Matt's comments didn't phase me. Perhaps I was just tired of raising my hand for informal polls at that point in the week. ;)
You can go to any site on the internet, especially the social media and bookmarking sites - Digg, Slashdot, StumbleUpon, YouTube, Myspace, Facebook, etc. etc. You will notice one thing - if Americans are involved, 99% of comment sections will eventually have an insulting comment towards Republicans or Democrats.
You could be talking about *anything* and this will still happen.
Now I feel bad I missed the first 5 min of Matt's presentation.
I think people are too sensitive to these kinds of questions. Raising your hand was not required so if you didn't want your client (who is right beside you) to see your view .... DON'T raise your hand!
Rand ... great shoes! (For more buzz, next time add a little strobe light to them). :-)
I was sitting in the front row, and it didn't even dawn on me not to answer until my hand was already on the way up.
I realized immediately what a bad idea it was, but it was too late... I hope Matt approved of my choice!
I never quite got the bipartisanship system in the US.
You guys need some middle ground.
Michael and Rand don't play politics?
HA!!
;-0
>Michael and Rand don't play politics?
Now I never said that, I'm itching to create some uber controversial politics blog filled with conspiracy theories and hoax marketing from both the right and the left. Take the two opposing hosts talk radio format and bring it to the blog world.
Rand - That was wildly self-indulgent of Matt Cutts and I don't think it's particularly sad that politics can't be discussed maturely in a roomful of strangers gathered for reasons wholly unrelated to politics - that's human nature. It's as true today as it would have been 100 years ago. Now, when it's friends or colleagues who can't discuss these things - I'd call that sad.
I firmly believe in separating politics from one's livelihood (unless it's part of the livelihood). There is no upside.