Digg is a good name. Long before Kevin Rose and Owen Byrne launched a popular social media company, people talked about "digging" stuff that they liked. The word is still in use, although I'd like to guess that people who use Digg tend to confine its use almost solely to their actions within the site. If I heard someone say that they "dug" something," I'd hear it with two "g"s. Digg managed to one-up its competitors by easily spawning verbs - a common indication of success. No one I know of "reddits" stories.
A lack of a verb aside, Reddit is also a great name. It doesn't really matter that when I first heard of it, I immediately thought that their icon would be a frog. The idea that you read it at Reddit completely validates the name, even if the homepage is often littered with [PIC] submissions. StumbleUpon also scores very highly on the "good name" charts. I made a pretty good guess about what the service did before I used it: I assumed that it would have me stumble upon things on the Internet, which is exactly what it does.
More browsing, reviewing and agonising over Web 2.0 Award nominations has had me uncover some of the best - and worst - named sites. To me, a well named website has at least had some thought put into its name's creation. Its name has been coined for a reason, no matter whether the name initially appears to make sense.
Badoo is one of the sites I've come across recently whose name I don't understand. It is a content sharing and social networking service. Some successful online businesses have named themselves in odd ways (Lulu, Bebo, Wufoo, Monster), but it's a risky move. Taking that risk probably means a putting up with a tougher time when it comes to early name recognition and branding.
There's also a balance between creative and silly, and sometimes the two can overlap. "Twitter" is creative and relevant: it's a real word (which isn't common amongst web 2.0 names) and it alludes to what people use it for. Birds sit in trees and twitter at each other, supposedly imparting small pieces of information. The problem with the word is that it's annoying and easy to make fun of. Ideally, I'd say you'd want to avoid this.
Think of the words that you can make from "Twitter." Immediately, we have "twit" which many of us use when we're referring to total idiots. While twit isn't a particularly American term and the company was founded in San Francisco, it's often useful to take a look at the world-wide usage of the language you're using and figure out of other cultures might see your name differently.
Even SEOmoz is pronounced differently by North Americans than it is by most other English speakers. In U.S. and Canadian English, the "moz" sounds like "maahz"; most other English speakers pronounce it with a more rounded "o" sound. This site explains why way better than I can. Being an employee here, I pronounce the company's name the way my co-workers do. It sounds odd to me when I hear it said in the way I'd have pronounced it if I'd never worked here.
Luckily for us, our company's name doesn't change enough between dialects that it becomes inappropriate, and its meaning doesn't change. I don't expect that you can account for every regional subtlety that might exist around the world, but most Americans are at least aware that calling someone a twit isn't complimentary. Despite the fact that Twitter is a real word and relates to the service, I would not have used it. Its success makes my argument weaker, only it stands that people who dislike the phenomenon usually cite its name in the list of things that turn them off.
The additional words that Twitter tends to spawn are also annoying: tweet, twittering and, most recently, tweeple might not aggravate everyone, but they're certainly polarising. Consider how variations of a name might evolve... Although we definitely didn't invent it, "Moz" has found plenty of uses in reference to SEOmoz (mozzers, Mozplex, MozSquad, etc). Some people probably find this irritating. However, I'd hazard a guess that a smaller percentage of people will dislike this usage than will turn away from using "twit" on a regular basis.
In terms of whether a name should indicate what a site does, it seems that most successful businesses at least hint at their service in their name. Myspace's name is great, especially considering that its most useful feature is providing bands, comedians, film makers, etc with a space to promote themselves and their work. That the site has morphed into everyone's gaudy space makes its name even more relevant. Facebook isn't quite as relevant a name (without having heard of it, you may think of a Hot-or-Not style site), but it also managed to combine two real words to make a somewhat-descriptive name. Even Google means something. Not so sure about Yahoo! though. If anyone knows exactly why Yahoo! was named thus, add the reason in the comments. Or make up your own, because that's fun, too.
If you've been using the Internet for more than a few minutes, you'll have seen the infamous list of inadvertently terrible domain names. Rarely do you see anyone make mistakes as blatant as this, but it is worthwhile researching alternate meanings for your potential names. I would also stay away from the completely meaningless names, as inventive as they may sound. Let me leave you with an instant message discussion Rebecca and I had yesterday about the naming of websites. We talk to each other on the Internet even though we sit about five feet from each other:
jane.copland: Sometimes you read these web 2.0 site names and think, "wait. What? That meant NOTHING"may as well have been a string of words in totally random order.relizkel: it's like throwing a dart at a bunch of words on a wall. FLING. "Pop!" FLING. "Chance!"
jane.copland: Case in point: "Badoo is a truly worldwide online community that provides its members with the ability to communicate and share their lives with people both locally and around the globe."
relizkel: FLING: "Slinky!" And you end up with slancepop.com.
I think I've posted this on SEOmoz before, but here it is again:
Star wars or web 2.0 name?
https://www.cerado.com/web20quiz.htm
Haha! That's hilarious! What's your score there? Mine is 25 :)
"Too...much...kool-aid..."
:)
34: As your doctor, I recommend moving out of your parents' basement.
;(
hehe, Rishil, you do need to think about that!
I wish I could move into my parents basement - with London prices the way they are going, I am going to be priced out of my rent range...
I got 27 :p
Mine's 29
Great article Jane. Naming and branding is not an easy task. It is really hard to predict how people are going to react. There is a useful exercise that anyone could do before naming a company.
1- Describe in one sentence what is it that you want people to think when they hear or read your brand?
2- Write down a sentence o words that describe the “voice” of your company.
3- Think who is going to be your target audience.
4- What is the company’s mission.
5-Check out competitor’s brands and do research on the web.
and read Sarah’s post; Trademark Basics: Be First in Your Market, Be Distinctive, and Don't Confuse the Consumer
If we are talking about naming compainies.....I am sick of companies with Letters in there names that don't stand for anything. If it's not a word then the groupings of letters should represent something. ok rant over
Making up new words does, however = Creatiliciousness.
Before I quite worked out the niche of my consultancy, my blog was called "Debabblog", which I thought was a really clever combination of "debabble" and "blog" (I debabbled technology jargon). Of course, as usual, I was the only one who thought it was clever. No one got it, and worse yet, no one could spell it. Rebranding to "User Effect" was a huge move in the right direction, and also a plus for SEO.
I always use urban dictionary to see what my newly invented word might be associated with.
Look: twit
More often than not, each word offers a wide variety of freaking associations btw :)
A very good post, Jane, thumbs up!!!
Use of urban dic (can I say that?) is an excellent idea. I'm sure a lot of embarrinsgly named cars etc might have been avoided like that.
@ann - I guess that would explain why you chose your moniker.
Hehe, yep, I did check it before starting a blog... Just please don't try to rhyme it :)
Don't try to rhyme it? You mean , like...Hearty? or Party? ;)
OK, forget what I asked :)
Actually the firt one is pretty neat. ;)
Looking things up in Urban Dictionary should be mantatory before you register a domain name ;)
Absolutely, Jane (and no I won't link to my post about that as I am too humble ;) )
No, you have to! Please do... no need to feel bad, as it's very relevant. And if you feel bad about a link, all the comments links are auto-nofollowed. Or you can just drop the URL :P
Ok, Jane, I can resist you:
4 Things To Check Before You Register A Domain Name
;)
I feel so blatantly self-promotional!
Good advice and not self-promotional at all... and Stumbled accordingly :P
Excellent article! Stumbled here too.
Cuill post Jane.
Yahoo! is an acronym..
Yet Another Hierarchical Officious Oracle
Nice! Thanks :)
Hi Jane,
I kinda coined a new SEM/O acronym - SEMANDO (Search Engine Marketing and Optimisation). I bagged the domain(s) a year or so back and planned to use it for for consultancy, although have just been sitting on it.
I am doing in-house work at the moment, but may go SEMANDO soon! Reckon its a keeper?
It's always sweet when you're able to create an acronym that people can actually pronouce! The only thing I'd worry about is that it somewhat rhymes with "commando" ;)
True true, I quite like that though :)
It rhymes with your nickname, too: semanjoe!
Since it has the full word 'AND' in there, I'd call it more of a Hackronym.
If your SERPs don't behave, Joe will go SEMANDO on their asses.
I like it.
Well, Pete's taken care of the tagline!
And moved that much further ahead of Critchlow.
Being a Brit prone to smut I made a mental connection from "going SEMANDO" to "going commando". Inevitably (in my mind) this leads to a direct connection between Joe the SEO minus his pants (shorts for you north 'mericans) and asses.
Probably not the best "ass"ociation with a tagline.
I like "Joe the SEO" meself.
"When your SEO and PPC campaigns arent working the way theu should, get SEMANDO's Commando's on board."
Would those SEMANDO commandos be wearing black, gray, white or camo hats?
I think they would have outfits to suit all situations... lol
Not to be gross or anything, but after reading this thread, when I hear and see the word "SEMANDO", I think of a derivative of two words - the first being a five letter word beginning with "SEM" defined as "A viscous whitish fluid" and the second being "COMMANDO" defined in the urban dictionary this way.
In other words, it doesn't really bring a positive mental image to mind. But, that's just me.
Also, no offense, but my first thought on seeing the name "SEMANJOE" was to pronounce it "Seem-In-Joe". So, if someone said "I'd like you to meet my friend "SEMANJOE"; I would run in the opposite direction.
Hmmm, I had not gotten to the taking my pants of stage and unleashing one on the SERPs! I think I will probably leave that one there for now... as it provoking disturbing robotic thoughts.
Hire Joe the SEO - that has a ring...
Life as a robot is simpler - we don't wear pants, we have panels. Just need to give them a good rub every now and then to stop them going rusty :)
LOL - I kinda thought that was a selling point - great marketing in my mind :) Of course, my mind is usually in the gutter, but that's just me. I can just see it now:
SEMANDO.com - When it comes to SEO and Optimization, we leave nothing to the imagination.
Hey Glicious,
It's all tongue in cheek branding, although I had not thought as graphically as discussed before. I like your slogan - "we leave nothing to your imagineation" - sound like it could be a winner!
though, when pronounced, sounds unfortunately like 'semen dough', which is quite a disgusting thought.
domainiacs!
World Sports Exchange has a good name: worldsportsexchange.com
Fail.
Fail II.
"Exchange" is a dangerous word.
I think I posted this link before, but as its 100% relevant - why not shutout the brainstorming processes and just use a wen 2.0 name generator? I had hours of fun with this one...
2.0 Name Generator
"I had hours of fun with this one..."
Okay rishi - first of all - welcome back. missed ya! second of all, I'm going to give you a thumbs up simply because I feel sorry for you.
bugger off! lol - its good to be able to actually be able to comment cause time slightly allows it... lol and that generator was fun... I dont care what you say... sticks and stones...
oh wait - my web 2.NO site will be called:
STISTO..
Excellent post Jane.
I think, at least for me, it's important to mention how we arrived at this situation - domaineers/squatters buying up thousands of domains for whatever reason. With these people buying up all of the real word domains with the least amount of characters possible, it has forced a lot of us to come up with new words that contain 6-7 or less characters and attempt to brand our sites with these newer letter combinations (I dare call them words). The real creativity not only comes from coming up with these shortened names, but to find those combinations that describe your service/site.
I wish we all weren't forced to create these names while perfectly good domain names go undeveloped.
i've been curious about branding just recently and i do believe that it has something to do with creativity and analysis also.
Thanks for sharing this article.
Jane, we say "Yahoo!!" to express our joy, when we find something really exciting. I give yahoo 10/10 for the name, message it gives and yes one aspect you didn't mention in your post...brand name recall..it's one most important feature of a good brand name...!! How easy is it to relate and recall. You can reduce your advertizing efforts & cost almost to half if you have a name that has a high recall. Any one who hears or read the word (along with logo) once makes a picture of it in his/her mind and doesnt forgets very easily...!! Guys like me with a bad memory find it hard to memorize a name, which means something that is uncommon (or some thing I am not famailier with) and words in the name are itself unrelated to each other (like facebook).
Logo and punch line play a very important in brand recall as they both help the visitor to relate that brand name to it's 'meaning to the company' and hence making it easier for the visitor to memorize the name as quickly as possible. A bad brand name can be compensated by its presentation and punch line...!!
Well I do know what yahoo has always been used for. I just wondered exactly why they chose it. Turns out this is the reason, as someone linked to above.
A well-written blog with excellent points all around, especially with regards to Web 2.0. Being relatively new to SEO (about a year), I'm still learning my way around the finer points, so if I'm off base here, or have been getting bad info, please correct me!
It seems to me that naming your business and choosing your url are two very different things. As an example - I had a client contact me about setting up a Web site for her new law firm. They had a traditional name for the firm (e.g. The Law Firm of Jones, Smith and Baker) and wanted buy the domain name with just the firm's initials (in this example, www . jsb . com).
I may be new at SEO, but my Spidey senses immediately began tingling (hmmm, that would make a great Web 2.0 name .... oh, wait, nope, it's already taken). I suggested to them that they go with a domain name that had a relevant keyword such as law, lawfirm, lawyers, etc. I added that they could get both, but having one with a keyword would likely improve their sites chances of being listed higher up in search results. Last time I checked, urls were still part of the SE's algorythms.
I explained to the lawyer that if someone is searching the Web looking for a lawyer, they are not going to search for initials, they are likely going to search for the term ... wait for it ... "lawyers."
OK - for all you SEOers and SEOMozers who have been in this game longer than me, am I at least in the same ballpark with my belief that it is OK to have multiple domain names for your business?
Obviously if you have household business name like Best Buy or Wal Mart, having a url with your company's name is obviously a no-brainer, but I'm speaking more to smaller companies that are just getting started on the Web.
Thanks everyone! My SEO Kung Fu is slowly improving thanks to SEOMoz.
Soon you will have the built-in karate chop!
<blockquote>Even SEOmoz is pronounced differently by North Americans than it is by most other English speakers. In U.S. and Canadian English, the "moz" sounds like "maahz"; most other English speakers pronounce it with a more rounded "o" sound.</blockquote>
If your name is based on the pronounciation of "DMOZ" then I've had this debate before.
DMOZ=Directory of Mozilla
Rounded "o" sound.
There's no debate; that's just how it sounds in different accents.
Nice observations Jane.
Maybe you could give me a grade for the name of my new online reputation monitoring tool: trackur.com. :-)
Why, A+ of course, Mr. Beal!
I knew you were my favorite mozzer!
Five feet to my left, Rebecca's heart is breaking.
It's OK, I'll go leave her a comment saying the same thing. :-P
And Rand, and Gillian, and....aw heck, I love you all!
That's right everyone; we've been making Andy drink the Kool Aid, too!
Hey, what the crap!
No wait, I can explain! Jane's my favorite Kiwi mozzer. Your my favorite mozzer who's name begins with an "R"....and, ends with "ebecca" ;-)
We have noticed adding "and" to domains that are promoting three keywords really helps get a foot hold on either or all three.
E.G. test1and2.com would get on the same SERPs with test12.com with a equally competitive organic campaign.
It is also easy to remember.
I thought the information was very good and sent it along to one of my clients who is just learning how to find their way around the internet.
Thank you
I also like the idea of using stems from other brand names of high stature (respecting trademark laws of course). For instance, I always thought there was a connection between SEOmoz and Mozilla -- and of course Mozilla stirs up emotions of optimism and idealism, so I couldn't help but be curious about SEOmoz... :)
Oh sweet jeebus, I've been making up words to describe things around the house for YEARS. I had no idea that "sticky flies" and "lucky poos" could be potential money-makers!
Ha ha, I keed, but Jex Analytics doesn't exactly roll of the tongue does it? I purposely went with something that only partially describes things because I didn't want to be pigeon-holed. Jex Solutions is our company name, as that's a good catch-all for the web, but Jex is what I want people to remember.
I don't agree that "whatwedonotwhoweare.com" is the way to go because people forget "blueshoes.com" and will just plug in "blue shoes" into Google, where they will invariably get "blue-shoes.com","blushoes.com" and "shoesblue.com" all of which are competitors to "blueshoes.com" and will probably get their business.
Now, if they were called Luckypoo, then nobody'd EVER forget it!
Great post, you is a smaht chick, though I'm not going to smear myself all over you like Andy (smooches Beal, my kids are still worshipping you for making Christmas rock the way you did).
"whatwedonotwhoweare.com" isn't really what I was plugging. I'm sorry that a few people misread it that way.
LOL - glad to help out.
Great Article.
I think you need a balance between function and marketability.
Your article made me think of a George Carlin bit about how when someone says can you describe this in “your own words?” What exactly are your words? All words are borrowed from someone else. In order to use your own words you’d have to say “blif bammer tooks wirguy”
I think that routine was from the mid 90s . Long before Web 2.0
Hey now. Don't hate on Twitter. If you're an active user then Twit isn't derogatory, it's exclusionary of you outsiders. ;)
Though I do have mixed feelings about Tweeple...
How do British Twits feel about that?! ;)
I'm fine with it. Maybe we should be "Twitts" instead. ;-)
I think Twit is very 20th century to be honest. It is a word I associate with 70s sitcoms more than anything else these days. We have plenty of other forms of mild abuse to use instead:
You'd never guess that I used to own a LAN gaming centre populated by teenagers would you :)
Whereabouts are you from? Don't say, "the Internet" :P
I'm from the UK. I live oop north but would most likely be described by the people here as a soft southern s**te.
Great article!
Jane, I wasn't suggesting that's what YOU were plugging, I took it to be what that long-winded fella up above was saying.
I think I got what you were on about eezypeezy, so no worries. No misreading here.
Okay, that's good.
By the way, I edited your comment: that version of my name isn't going to work, sorry.
Timely post for me, as I'm putting some thought into branding for two projects I'm working on at the moment. Thanks!
Ditto here Piper. I'm actually considering changing my company name. My current one is kinda long and I don't have the exact domain name I want. Also I'm tired of having to spell it out to people.
Current Name: One Take Media
www.onetakemedia.net
New Name: Who knows yet.
Yahoo... Maybe thats the sound they wanted users to make when they got the results of their search? Yahoo!!
Therapist Finder reminds me of one of my favorite SNL Celebrity Jeopardy skits.
I feel your pain, my company name is "Just Fred Works" and the site is justfredworks.com, but I don't know how long it will stay that way. It has no keyword benefit, and a 3 word domain, especially one like that, is hard to convey over the phone.
I think domain should be closely tied to the product that you are selling unless you are working in a niche where you can brand your company easily or, pay millions of dollars to create a branding campaign.
How about Ontame? (first two letters of each word in the current name). That will be two clams, please pay when exiting. :p
I like the name MuViBee for Music Video Bee, also their logo is very memorable https://www.muvibee.com/ .
I think it looks like it should be pronounced "moviebee" which is broader than the music video area they cover. Perhaps intentional? I think it is equally important how these types of domain name sound as how they scan or cleverly abbreviate their meaning. This then allows word of mouth to be more effective e.g. youtube could have been utoob and might still have worked as well verbally although visually it is too deliberately quirky for me.
Also why a bee? Is it intended to suggest flying around alighting on different muvi "flowers" and some sort of creative cross-pollinisation ? Or am I just reading way too much into it? Working in the world of open source I am overexposed to animal logos randomly attached to software e.g. the Linux penguin, the firefox fox etc. I also blame O'Reilly the publishers who insist on using animals for every bloody book they print.
Great post, Jane. Absolutely spot on in your analysis. As far as that Yahoo! name goes, my article, SWOT that company name (https://www.strategicmarketingmontreal.ca/newsletter-40.htm), does quite an examination of just how good or bad that is.
Excellent post Jane, and if you don't mind me saying, happy valentines day!
All I can say is, Meetleboo! That was a good article!
Thanks! Meetleboo to you too :D
Right. Is that kiwi thing? Or a dipping-pigtails-in-inkwells thing?
I'm kidding, I would probably want to knuckle you in the temple if you called me "Juddey" so I understand.
Hello.
If someone want to lead a niche, i don't think it is a good idea to choose a name that means something.
When i see a website with a url made by 2 or more words which describe the purpose of the website, i think what it means, but not to remember the name. If i see a domain name with a word i don't know, i don't try to figure out what it means, but i will remember it.
For example, it was 2001 when i first heard about google, i asked what it is, someone told me that it is a search engine, i can find everything on it, i remembered very well the name. If the name would been something like: "searchtheweb" or "searcheverything" or "searchitnow" i wouldn't asked what it is, but i wouldn't remember it.
In my country, it is a computer selling company, nationalwide, called ultrapro computers . It is a good name, i understood that is is about computers, but i didn't tried to learn the first word. Friends are asking me about computer stores in the area, always it takes me 10-20 seconds to remember the name, i know that it is an adjective, but i take all adjectives of this kind and spell the name into my mind to see which will sound familiar. "super computers" "hypercomputers" "superpro computers". Finally, i remember that it was ultra, but first 10 times i asked about a computer shop i told that it was "Ultra Computers", i forgot the "pro".
On the other hand, other company is called "Spider Computers", it is very easy to remember, because it is a spider, and i will remember the name in the way it is, and i'm not trying to figure out what it means. I have other example too, is a name that means nothing, "SCAND", i remembered it very well, altough it is hard to spell.
I think that the best names are real words, un-related to the business. For example, "Apple". The most important thing is the people who hear the name, to NOT think what the word means, because when you hear about apple, you will head in a context simmilar with those: "Apple launch iphone" , "Apple announced they start to work on a new version of ipod".You will know what it means from the context, if you get 2 same things, you will not try to remember it: "Best Computers launched their new proccessor", "ComputerBuilders launched the new laptop", you will get the same message 2 times.
Digg is a good name because it is a very simple word. But stumbleupon, all people refers to it as SU, this will make the brand grow very hard. Such a name needs to hear it 2-3 times tokeep it in mind, because first time you head it, you don't try to remember it, but to find out what it means.
I think you've missed my point. Myspace isn't called socialnetworkingsite.com, which would be an exact explanation of what it does. However, its name relates to what it does.
Google does have a meaning in terms of search: the page I linked to says that its a refernce to the amount of data they'd like to index (in a hypothetical world)
Apple had the advantage of being founded before 99% of other contemporary tech businesses, and they've done a great job branding themselves with said apple. I never said that making up an unrelated name was a completely bad idea, in fact, I said:
I disagree that "all people" refer to StumbleUpon as SU. I will refer to it as SU when I am typing an informal message / comment. 70-80% of the time, I call it by its real name and I see others doing the same.
I don't think the risk is too big, in fact, for example a website, first visitors will come from links on other pages, articles, Press releases, newspaper websites, then from search engines.
The problem comes when i want to share the website with others, for examples, i have in my reader some seo blogs. When i open the reader, i look at the titles first, if i like it, i will open it to read, i take a quick look at the name of the blog where it is posted, and then i start to read. But, if i want to tell a friend about that blog post, i can't remember if it was seomoz, seopedia, seobook, seroundtable, makes me confuse and i can;t remember, i will tell my friend that i know this from a seo blog.
I used the Page Strength tool from seomoz, but i didn't know that it is seomoz, i realized when i wanted to use keyword difficulty tool. I used page strehgth tool 20-30 times, i have it in my bookmars, every time i read the name of the website, but i forget it very next moment. This is happening because when i read the name of the website, i tell myself: "a website about search engine optimization", and i don't remember the name.
Another example is with forums. Few years ago when i started my first website, i searched for webmaster forums. First 2 forums i think was webmasterforum or something like this, and another forum i can't remember the name. The third was a forum with domain name v7n.com . What a name, if someone asks me for my opinion, it is a bad bad name, you can't have numbers in the domain name, but, i saw the domain name once, and i remember it, and i never forgot it ! But i didn't like it too much, and i stopped reading it, but i still know the domain name.