I'm looking for a new place to live today. When I moved into this apartment, the rent was relatively low and although it's not stellar, it's better than my old one. However, the management company has upped the rent incrementally until it occurred to me that I should be living in a palace by now. In typical Internet fashion, I went straight to Craigslist to find my next residence.
I find everything on Craigslist, including every place I've ever lived and this job. I love the site's bland, simplistic layout. There are no distractions or confusions and there is no chance of a page taking more than a fraction of a second to load. There is a lot of clutter and junk listed on the site's white pages, but there are gems hidden in there as well. When I was looking for a job, I searched through hundreds of ads with titles like, "Junior copywriter in Kent WA," "Asst. Editor Downtown Seattle," "Writer / Editor Needed," and "Entry-level Coffee Machine Assistant." A listing with the title, "Do You Use Your Powers for Good... Or for Awesome?" was far more intriguing. As a fun piece of trivia, I submitted cover letters and resumes to at least thirty places and SEOmoz was the only company who called me back. When I returned from Pubcon Las Vegas in mid-November 2006, I found a letter in my mailbox from the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, telling me how they weren't going to hire me. I'd submitted my resume to them in August. Old media is hilarious.
Today, the badly worded residential ads are not getting my clicks. There are just so many of them and I've developed a pretty good method of sorting through the mess. First, I look for location. I'm pretty well-versed in the geography of the Seattle area and I can tell if a location fits my needs. If there is no location specified, I don't want to click on the ad. I know I should take a look; the listing could be perfect and I'd have missed a fantastic opportunity. Sometimes, I make myself take a look, but I guarantee that most people have a good idea as to where in the city they'd like to live. They are probably also hesitant to waste time on listings that mightn't be in their desired locations.
Secondly, I look at the rent. Most people are smart enough to include the cost of rent in their ad. A small number don't. After that, I'll look at the description. Too many words in all-caps and too many exclamation points turn me away very quickly, but that's quite an obvious turn-off. The more subtle things that make my eyes skip to the next listing are a lack of a good description of what makes the house or apartment interesting; however, an incredibly dull ad doesn't attract me, either. I want to see some of the place's features (such as number of rooms), combined with a good reason why I'd like to live there (fantastic view!).
I don't know what goes through people's heads when they think it's a good idea to advertise their property as the one that "finally allows pets." I'd already narrowed my search to include places that welcomed dogs; the list is still incredibly long. That seems a bit like advertising your social networking site as one that "finally allows you to upload a profile picture."
Similarly, I'm rather horrified by the "Love, Kisses, Teddy Cody warming Bear @ Hunt Club" listing. Someone please tell me what on earth that means. Clicking through to the listing itself doesn't enlighten me as to what constitutes a Teddy Cody warming Bear. Even Google doesn't know.
People stand to make a lot of money out of rental properties, especially in a city like Seattle. I'll be handing over lots of money to the landlord or company whose apartment, townhouse, or condo I choose to rent. Listing after listing loses business because of carelessly worded entries. While I clicked on just about every listing when I was looking for a job, I can be a bit more choosy with my search for housing. Admittedly, SEOmoz takes a bit of a risk when we post "inventive" job openings, because we get quite a few applications from people who seem to think we aren't particularly serious about our job requirements, simply because of our creative "title tag." However, we definitely make sure that our ads don't go unnoticed and don't get skipped over.
Craigslist is no different to a search engine when someone is using it in the way I am, aside from the fact that listings are ordered according to time. Perhaps it is more like a blog search, as ordered by date. A lot of what we know about attracting attention within search engine results pages applies to classified ads, and I'm surprised that more people haven't thought of their all-important CTR when advertising their properties, products, services, and job openings.
Similarly, I'm rather horrified by the "Love, Kisses, Teddy Cody warming Bear @ Hunt Club" listing. Someone please tell me what on earth that means. Clicking through to the listing itself doesn't enlighten me as to what constitutes a Teddy Cody warming Bear. Even Google doesn't know.
People stand to make a lot of money out of rental properties, especially in a city like Seattle. I'll be handing over lots of money to the landlord or company whose apartment, townhouse, or condo I choose to rent. Listing after listing loses business because of carelessly worded entries. While I clicked on just about every listing when I was looking for a job, I can be a bit more choosy with my search for housing. Admittedly, SEOmoz takes a bit of a risk when we post "inventive" job openings, because we get quite a few applications from people who seem to think we aren't particularly serious about our job requirements, simply because of our creative "title tag." However, we definitely make sure that our ads don't go unnoticed and don't get skipped over.
Craigslist is no different to a search engine when someone is using it in the way I am, aside from the fact that listings are ordered according to time. Perhaps it is more like a blog search, as ordered by date. A lot of what we know about attracting attention within search engine results pages applies to classified ads, and I'm surprised that more people haven't thought of their all-important CTR when advertising their properties, products, services, and job openings.
When you look at titles like the ones you've shown, it's like getting a snapshot of what the "average" person is capable of when it comes to writing and marketing.
Hanging out at places like SEOmoz, you could quickly begin to think that everyone understands the importance of clarity, grammar, and syntax and knows how to write a reasonably articulate listing title. Then you visit Craigslist and realize that most people don't understand those things.
It's sort of like when you have friends that are all reasonably good-looking and intelligent. You start to think that most people are like this. Then you visit the DMV.
It's a good reminder, really, that a little extra time spent on editing and polishing online content can go a long way.
You are a God, Lorisa.
"It's sort of like when you have friends that are all reasonably good-looking and intelligent. You start to think that most people are like this. Then you visit the DMV."
Yum.
I can't take complete credit - it's based on a Seinfeld episode. But I made it my own ;)
We will all say this, but then some grandmother will sell her home for super cheap that is super perfect, in a super nieghborhood, and the title will be...
"I don't no much bout this craigfist, but I'm gettin old."
And no one in the search marketing field will ever see it because they think the title is beneath them :)
I forgot to mention that the book Freakonomics talks about this in one chapter. Great book by the way (written by Steve Levitt from the University of Chicago and Stephen J. Dubner )
That book is a good example of a good Marketing. It was a success and they were able to go beyond the offline market with their own blog hosted in the New York Times.
Freakonomics is an excellent book. Everyone and their mother should read it.
Funny enough, everytime I look for places on craigslist I check the photos only (or something like that...lol) checkbox, set my price point, and do geographic searches so its not as daunting...
Great post Jane! I'll give you a thumbs up! ;)
I get worried about narrowing my search too far... and I already narrowed my search to Seattle-only, which still produced results that were a loooong way away from the city! I wish it had a "terrible ad" filter :P
Not funny at all.
In our user surveys (we've run them on a quarterly basis for the last 4 years), photos are always the number one most important factor when clicking on a property listing :)
Same here, Tony. When I was looking for an apartment, I searched for "Seattle" (because sneaky lame wads would add their Goldbar, Wenatchee, and other non-Seattle places in the "Seattle" section) and image only. I didn't even bother looking at listings that had no images--in my opinion, no image = probably a crap heap.
Classified ads are like personals - responding to an ad with no photo is riskier than betting it will be sunny in seattle.
to paraphrase the great philosopher Mr. Gump " its like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get."
Nice post Jane; another fact to mention is that writing decent ad titles, which can be easily understood, include location, etc.. is only good SEO.
The same rules apply to jobs boards; make sure that you actually write the job title & location in the headline. Admittedly this would mean that the Moz ad wouldn't be considered so good, but that had different aims.
When I worked at RBI we used to give guidance to major advertisers on how to write job ads (and listings) with SEO in mind. If Craigslist were to put similar guidance on their site they would:
They can have that advice for free!
Ha! My wife recently was checking out Craigslist, and some of the descriptions are funny. One was giving out a flat screen TV with year lease, another only would accept Red Sox fans =P
Great post Jane - Being a Realtor, I use Craigslist often. I am amazed how many Realtors write lousy titles and do not include photos - not just in sites like Craigslist, but also in the MLS.
99% of the time, I'd say that an iffy photo is better than no photo at all; however, I remember one listing where the Realtor had included about seven pictures, four of which were of the oven. The oven had been photographed from two different angles, twice as a close-up and twice from the door of the kitchen.
As nice as the oven was, it made me seriously skeptical about the state of the rest of the property!
Jane - that is too funny. Another agent I know in Atlanta posted on his blog the 10 worst photos from Realtors - it was very funny - just when you thought you saw it all. If he is reading this, maybe he will post the link.
I've seen that "10 worst photos" post! It's absolutely hysterical. If someone else has seen it and remembers the link, definitely drop it here. It was fantastic!
If it's the one I'm thinking about, he got in a lot of trouble over that and is facing possible lawsuits from the realtors whose photos he used.
That's too bad - they were so horrible that the realtors should have thanked him for pointing out what terrible marketing mistakes they'd made.
See how rumors start - that was 10 worst headshot photos - not property photos...
"Similarly, I'm rather horrified by the "Love, Kisses, Teddy Cody warming Bear @ Hunt Club" listing. Someone please tell me what on earth that means. Clicking through to the listing itself doesn't enlighten me as to what constitutes a Teddy Cody warming Bear. Even Google doesn't know"
That is just plain creepy.
*shudders*
I'm glad someone picked up on that! I'm sure it made sense to whoever wrote it...
Creepy sense! Is it code or something...? That really just made me shudder - ewwwww
Not being a native english speaker, my ads typically get lower conversion rates compared to ads written by my wife.
Also, I found that ads posted on Saturday morning gets the highest conversion rate.
Rajat
Wow. If telecommuting is an option you can buy a lovely new home here in sunny middle TN - where it does not rain 275 days a year - for the median of those prices.
I know. Isn't it depressing what things cost in the city?
Wanna know what you can buy for $300K in Seattle?
OMG... I actually have for sale - Just minutes from university campus on quiet cul-de-sac, Brand new energy efficient 1700 sq ft 3 br 2.5 ba 2 car gar 1/2 acre lot, hardwood, tile, wrap around porch (great space for inside/outside entertainment) inside of city with all major appliances - $139,900 - or one year lease $1000/mo (depressed RE market you know)
Just wait until the Bay Area people see this thread. They'll have links to cardboard boxes under the Bay Bridge that are going for $500,000 :(
Did you forget I am from the Bay Area?!...and...you're about right...you can't get ANYTHING for less than 500 in San Francisco city....and outside of SF its going to be around 500k for a 1bd 1bth condo...blahs...
Damn! Even if that was in £, that wouldn't buy a one-bed flat in London....
Or, you could purchase a 4bedroom 3 bath, 3,000 square foot home on a large corner lot in technology rich Austin, "The Live Music Capitol Of The World", for about $275K.
That's not really even a "bargain" price. Real Estate is just relatively inexpensive in this part of the country (world I guess).
A lot of people retire here because they can sell their over priced homes somewhere else and buy what amounts to an estate here. You can still find land out in the country for $1000/ acre that is within an hours drive of a good sized city, and have custom construction done for $80-$100/sq ft.
It's also actually a good place to live. You should move here and buy my house.
It would barely cover the bed...
I live in Exeter, a very rural city, a long way from any major business center.
My small terraced house was falling down when I bought it, with no bathroom, no floor, no heating or hot water and holes in the roof big enough to put my head through and look out.
It cost considerably more than that shack in Seattle ( we are talking about 9 times our joint income the time) and is in much less space.
Seriously, if you want to complain about real estate then come to the UK, it is scary over here.
And it's even worse in Ireland apparently (Dublin, anyway)
Obviously, as a search consultant, location is not that important, as long as I can get to meetings, but the average income here is $679.63, whilst house prices are $506,920.93. That's nearly 15 times the wage.
Dublin houses are an average $593,075.09, with an average wage of $691, which equates to a 16.5 times the wage house price.
Whilst this figure is artificially inflated (Dublin is a city, wehreas Devon is an entire rural county, with two cities in it) it is still just daft. Perhaps we need to stop breeding so much?
Anyway, this is perhaps not the place to discuss house prices ;)
There's a lot eBay users could learn about titles as well.
You may launch a service to help people write good ad copies :-)
to me from my experience craigslist.com should be called flakeslist.com or cheapskatelist.com
dont you love the way people on craigslist who want websites tell you how long its going to take you and then tell you its urgent and then put they are willing to pay $10 an hour or less in the same sentance!!!
also i love the way the same people say there is no pay for the job but the site would look really good on your portfolio!!!
then theres the automated software that goes crazy and posts in wrong categories saying things that dont even make sense.... i really hope that this is automated software and not a human posting these!!! LOL
I use Craiglist for doing allot of searching for rentals and I often run into problems. It may be just that I might be looking in the wrong area but there seems to be allot of "fake PostingS"
So the take away is to be carefull, creative but informative.
I have worked with relators and found they tend to have an accepted form of fiction.
It's sort of like when you have friends that are all reasonably good-looking and intelligent. You start to think that most people are like this. Then you visit the DMV.
Like:
Cozy= to small for humans.
Accepts pets=Can't smell worse, so go ahead
Quaint=floors or walls lean in different directions
Minutes from downtown=pack a lunch
View=You'll spend a lot of time looking out this one window, longingly.
Fixer-upper=This one is condemned but we'll still sell it to you.
Secluded=You need an ATV
This one is hot=We have just taken down the crime scene tape.
Hi, I know this is a little out of place so I apologize up front
We have a blog with about 100 posts. There were no categories set up - they all just run page after page.
Now I realize the importance of categories, Page UR"s etc.
Question is, now that were fixing the category issue, should I leave those and move on, or categorize them and 301 them to new category location?
Thank you
If it's not too much trouble, I'd categorize and 301, simply because of the value you'll provide to users who are perusing through the categories and may find some of your older posts to be quite useful.
We should to create our ad title short & meaningful, so everyone can understand our ad.
I'm with you on this matter. After you use Craigslist long enough, it's almost as if you start to learn the Craigslist language. "EASY JOB GOOD PAY" equals scam, a job posting with an image usually means scame, real estate listing without an image usually means a waste of my time. Craigslist has such good stuff, but it's got quite a bit of garbage on there--take a little bit of extra time preparing your listing and I bet your response rate skyrockets.
Great post Jane, you have no idea how useful this post is for realtors. On 2006 I took the real estate license course and they didn’t talk about classified ads. I think they should!
Jane - I notice that one of the ads says "360 tour." Did you check the tour out? What are your feelings about including such features in an ad? Results in more clicks? Too slow to download, so less clicks. The overall prices are much lower than here in Orange County, California.
I didn't click on it simply because it's not in an area I'm interested in. The ad itself is pretty atrocious; it's hard to read lines like that, with unconventional characters everywhere and no spacing between the words. The tour feature is completely hidden.
Also, I'm looking for quick information: this is my first look at the current Craigslist offerings. I feel like the 360 tour-type features become valuable and interesting later in the process, when you've actually clicked through to the ad's Craigslist page or to company's website.
Do you include the tour in the initial ad? My personal preference as a user is to be shown ads like the one I've highlighted above. The ad tells me something about the apartment that makes me interested in living there and nothing else. The "tour" ad is too busy for me.
Spot on Jane - We've seen some definate CTR increase on PPC ads that contain the price eg...
New Purple Widgets £34.99 now in Stock!
With regards to PPC, it's well worth running a price variant of your ads and comparing the click through rate (and even conversion). Be careful with huge websites that use dynamic pricing likely to update automatically - advertising the wrong price in the title will kick your conversion in the nuts.
Jane, I think SEOmoz have the right idea when you use intriguing titles for job vacancies. Essentially you're targetting people who will respond to that type of ad, and filtering those who don't. Providing this filter brings you quality applicants such as your good self then it seems to be working well:
Have you seen the mashup, https://www.housingmaps.com ? You no longer even have to go to Craigslist to find places for rent or sales. Just pick your city and your category, and it shows you where and what it is, along with the link back to the Craigslist posting.
I found housingmaps.com last year and really should use it more, in addition to the other sites I use. It's defnitely a great way to look at the rental market from a different perspective and it quickly shows you where a property is located, as opposed to letting you figure out the location of a street address (assuming the neighbourhood is missing from the description).