Best practices are set in place to guide us toward success in most situations. Not all situations. In today's Whiteboard Friday, Cyrus shows us several instances in which it's actually best to break the rules and throw those best practices out the window.
For reference, here's a still of this week's whiteboard!
Video Transcription
Howdy Moz fans. Welcome to another edition of Whiteboard Friday. I'm Cyrus Shepard. Today we're going to be talking about one of my favorite subjects -- breaking the SEO rules, and when not to follow best practices.
Now, best practices are something we talk a lot about here at Moz, and people are very adamant about following them oftentimes. So before we get started, I want to talk about what exactly we mean when we say "best practices."
For example, a best practice would be that your meta description length is only so long, or that your title tag length is 512 pixels or something like that. So when we talk about best practices, we're talking about a set of rules that are consistently showing superior results. It doesn't mean they're the only way you can do things, but in general, over time, they deliver the best results over other techniques.
Best practices are also used as a benchmark so that when you compare two different techniques, such as title tag length is this long or title tag length is that long, one set of those results you can use as a benchmark to measure your results.
Finally, best practices are meant to evolve and improve. Best practices get better over time. If you're running a business or you're doing SEO, your best practices are going to change the better you get at what you're doing and the more you learn. This is one thing that people often forget -- that best practices do change.
But sometimes you want to ignore best practices, and that's what we want to talk about today. One of the first reasons that you sometimes want to forget about best practices is when you want to deliver the highest ROI for your activities. When you're working on a client's site, when you're doing in-house SEO, time and resources are limited. So you want to make sure that you're doing the activity that leads to the highest return on investment for what you're doing.
This is a really common example when people start. When they're new to SEO, they start on a campaign, and they start optimizing their on-page elements and crawlability and engine accessibility. At the beginning of your campaign, that's a really high-ROI activity.
As you fix those site errors, as your search engine optimization improves, working on on-page issues, the return on investment starts to decline. What people do is they stay on this line far too long, and they're fixing every little thing on their site, and they're not seeing a huge return on investment.
At the same time, they're ignoring all the other issues, such as building links, building a community, getting out there on social media, when that would be a much higher-ROI activity. So even though it would be a best practice to stay on those sites and fix all those issues, sometimes there are activities which are going to be much more valuable for you to pursue.
Along those same lines you always have to weigh the cost and the benefit of the SEO that you're working on, because working on best practices and implementing SEO on your site sometimes comes at a cost, especially if you're making changes. So you have to justify what you're going to get in return to the effort that you're going to put into it.
An example that comes up a lot, it's a best practice to have keywords in your URL structure. So we see people write in, people talk to us, and they have a structure like this example.com/category/keyword. They want to go through a massive site reorganization, so that's example.com/keyword/keyword.
Now, keep in mind that doing that there's a bunch of 301 redirects. You may lose some link equity, and you may even lose rankings. In the end, you have to wonder if making that change is worth the change, worth the cost of doing so. In many examples, it's not going to be.
We have a saying: If it's not broke, don't fix it, because making huge, massive changes is going to cost you. If you're ranking pretty well in this situation, we might recommend just leave it alone even though it violates best practices.
A lot of times you want to violate best practices when you're optimizing for other goals. Again, talking about that title tag case, 512 pixels, that's generally the amount of title tag that Google will display in its search results. So that's what we define as best practices for title tags.
But that doesn't mean you should go rewrite every title tag on your site, which a lot of people will go out and do. You might be optimizing for social sharing. If you have an awesome title tag and it's hot on Twitter, it's hot on Facebook, it's hot on Google+, LinkedIn, and it's getting shared all over the place, it might be okay to go over that 512-pixel length.
If you have a title tag that's converting really well, and it's driving all these sales to your home page, and it's showing up in other places, you may not want to rewrite it.
If you're ranking really well, there's no reason to make that change, especially if you're talking about hundreds or thousands of title tags on your site. We get into the cost benefit ratio again.
So yes, best practices tell you to have it at 512 pixels, and it's often the case that you want to keep it within those ranges because they are consistently showing superior results. But not in every case, because sometimes you're going to have different goals.
The final point is this idea of evolving and improving. Part of SEO is constantly learning what works and what doesn't work. Google and the other search engines are constantly updating their algorithms, so we want to experiment. We want to learn new things. We want to try new things. We want constant improvement on these best practices. We don't want to set them in stone. We want to define them and try to improve them over time.
SEO is all about discovery. What works today may not work a year from now or two years from now, so we have to have open minds and keep learning and keep making our best practices the best they can be.
That's all for today. Thank you.
Great video Cyrus. Following 'non best practice' is sometimes a great way to 'discover best practice.' We've found by doing so helps us to continue learning, and implement new methods that maybe our 'competitors' have yet to discover.
This field changes all the time - and no one is writing the instruction book!
A degree of experimentation is essential to stay ahead. If everything you do works 100% of the time, then you aren't pushing the envelop far enough.
When everyone is following ‘The Best Practices’, breaking the practices will make you a rule breaker. But, that is what differentiate you from the crowd and help you to succeed in your venture.
One good thing about SEO, nothing remains forever. The more knowledgeable you are the more beneficial you will be for your clients.
Good video Cyrus.
'If everything you do works 100% of the time, then you aren't pushing the envelop far enough.'
Well said :)
SEO is working with the lack of authoritative practices. Any strategy will ultimately be successful, if this strategy is based on a qualitative analysis of the information available. And that - that is the thought that is worth report. Because this is the taste of SEO industry.
Thanks Cyrus for remembering to all of us, especially to all of us writing and educating about SEO, that exists something called Reality.
As you say, one thing are the best practices in SEO (or any other digital discipline) and another is what reality is.
Sometimes, when we start auditing a site, we see that some best practices simply cannot be followed for several reasons, which usually have in common the cost of implementing them.
A classic example is the subdomain vs. subfolder topic. We all know that having, for instance, a blog in a subfolder is the ideal and we should need to present it as solution and a way for improving the overall SEO performance of a site.
But what if we have to deal with a gigantic news site that developed dozens of segmented subdomains, all of them evolved is something different from the core site and all of them with an established success?
Reality is telling us that in that case the best practice of moving everything in a subfolder structure is still very important, but that maybe it cannot be the short term priority because of the complexity of the intervention and the potential risks a huge migration always have.
That's why, when auditing a site we must always know the ultimate business' goal of our client and being able to prioritize actions over them and, if that means not following like a fundamentalist the best practices yes-or-yes, being able to accept it, while finding alternative but still effective solutions.
One last thing: the story - also our short and ultimately not so significant-for-the-humanity story as industry - is marked by people, who decided and proved that a best practice is not a dogma and created new ones, and it is not marked by people, who, like mindless robots, just followed the rules because they were the rules.
Well said, Gianluca. We must constantly challenge assumptions. Sometimes it hard to do when working with clients with an outdated view of SEO. Nonetheless, essential.
Good video Cryus, and great to catch up with you in Sydney recently. I think the best thing with breaking the best practices is really to test things over and over. I guess if you test longer meta descriptions and titles and see if they yield results it can defiantly work in some cases. Even with Affiliate sites I guess many SEO's who run them really want to break the rules and test things over and over because the results can yield large income. I guess in the end of the day you really want to focus on long term results if something can be tweaked yet not impact on your overall efforts it is worth testing.
Sydney was awesome. Jen and I had a great time hanging out with you and the gang there. Cheers!
Very well done Cyrus,
When I read, "So even though it would be a best practice to stay on those sites and fix all those issues, sometimes there are activities which are going to be much more valuable for you to pursue." It immediately brought to mind something we tell every new client. If you look at perfect SEO as 100%, we will never get you there. Our goal is to get you as close as possible to that magic place, but we know there will be real business reasons to do other things and pass on making everything "perfect." For many that goal may only reach to 70 or 80 percent, and for those the issue is often financial. What we want to accomplish for them is make the very "best" changes we can to impact their business results as opposed to impacting their SEO (ranking) results.
Very good post,
Thanks
Fantabulous post, Sometimes it may happen that the client requirements doesn't fit with our best practices so that leads us to break the SEO rules and that situation is very hard to convince them. Further limited resources can also be a factor to not to follow best practices, Thanks.!
In my opinion the "best practice" is the one that suites the current situation. A pre-defined rule, if working the wrong way, could not make a best practice. The most amazing part of SEO is the velocity of change that you have to deal with to maintain your ranking and this is the most important part for the webmasters to understand. Solving the puzzle of SERPs from Google has become a big part of the SEO and the digital world.
Thanks for the great WBF!
Another thing to remember is although the established practice is to avoid domain names with hyphens, (Dashes In Domain Names) if we are optimizing an old website with a reasonable amount of traffic, it is best not to change the domain name to a version without hyphens
Thanks Cyrus for nice video!! I'm still learning:)
That's what I love about SEO, nothing stays constant. Like every month you have to cross your fingers for the changes you've made in your campaign and pray that Google wouldn't make another algorithm that would SEO practitioner's life difficult. Seriously, SEO is about breaking rules and playing safe, all about exploring more strategies that could enhance SERP and traffic without getting fatal website's penalties.
Great WBF Cyrus! and thank you for the reminder to proceed with caution and awareness of what matters in the end. Clearly, SEO is an art as well as a science, and one that needs to be constantly honed.
Great stuff Cyrus... +1 for breaking rules!!
You hit this right on the head, i often slow down my link building process and focus my efforts on my website. I want to make sure it's perfect for my visitors.
Agreed completely with you. Search Engine Marketing is all about discovery. What works today may not work a year from now or two years from now, Which I have experienced it my self. Being updated about new concepts, algorithms of Google would bring better results than sticking with the same tactics.
Hey Cryus! I logged in after long today! Got to learn great from you. Thanks
That 512 px titles for a site having huge number of pages did eat a lot of my time. Wish someone would have told me back then that, the best practices are not always the best. Still I would now keep the cost to benefit ratio in mind henceforth!
Well done Sir! :-)
We have a client whose site is an absolute mess from an SEO standpoint. However, they have a killer brand locally and are ranking extremely well. At first it left us scratching our heads a bit but then, to your last point, have implemented a slow experimentation process of adjusting title tags, massaging on-page content, etc. but doing it in measurable bursts.
We're still waiting to see the full effect of our changes but regardless, it has shown that not every SEO rule needs to be followed for a site to be preferred in the SERPs.
agreed!
yep! i know exactly what you mean. if the brand is strong, people are engaged, sharing information and speaking about the brand then it probably has awesome results. however, imagine how good the results can be just by making a few tiny tweaks that are more in line with the SEO strategy. i agree with cyrus, "if something is not broken no need to fix it" but im sure there are tiny tweaks that can be made to even further improve results other than playing around with titles and urls. :)
Hey Cyrus,
"Breaking the SEO Rules?? oh my Gosh!! Google will gonna hit us". This has become the common perception among the business owners and most of the SEOs. So, it's very crucial to identify the real scenarios or goals when you have to go beyond the conventional SEO practices and your rightly mentioned the ideal cases here.
But, what do you think, what should be the ideal time limit to not to follow the Best SEO practices? I mean If the site is getting good ROI by not following the recommended the SEO practices like "Keywords contained URL" and instead going with the auto generated URLs. Should they continue to do so in the future as well? or they have to stop doing this and get back to the right path.
Thanks
Does anyone remember when Moz broke the rules in a big way?
I think I missed it. Thanks for the recommendation. I'll surely go through it.
Thanks for emphasising
It is quite difficult to keep clients up to date and explaining that processes and methods have to change because algorithms change all the time and that means we often have to do tests.
Just planning/preparing tests for a couple of our e-commerce SEO clients now, partially for rankings/traffic and partially for conversions (of course, engaging your users better is a positive signal, so conversion should impact traffic too).
Sometimes that means we don't know the outcome of a test, but that's what keeps our jobs interesting :)
Cheers Cyrus.
Very cool approach on measuring the risk/reward of decision making when trying to optimize for best practices.
A nice reminder that we should all be better skeptics. Testing and experimenting will help you discover the best practices for your website/business, as opposed to relying solely on the industry best practices.
Nice WBF Cyrus,
I'd say we within our own marketing department do have many best practices in place for our content creation and our partners and how they deliver their content related to our brands.
BUT we also believe that it can never nor will be perfect. When Google for instance change SERPs display earlier in the year to 512px. We thought what the hell is this (like others no doubt), we had just spent lots of months tailoring our content meta descriptions to be short clear and concise and did it in 6 languages. So what did we do, well we let it be simply because we did not have the time and resource to go back and start again on hundreds of pages.
Has our site fallen of a cliff because we did not comply to the new format? eh nup! not that we are aware of.
New content development does have this practice integrated now but in this case it is a best practice that for a small business like us can not be adopted retrospectively and so we move on. Granted if we in time determine that it is ultimately detrimental factor to our efforts then we'll buy in the pizzas and lock the doors but at the moment it is not something we are going to get stressed about it.
So far its not broken so why fix it.
Stay cool!
Great WBF Cyrus! It's definitely difficult to explain "best practices" and SEO in general to clients if you only focus on the tactics. We just talked about a similar topic in a Friday morning meeting, and it really comes down to deciding what strategy you want to run with before diving into the tactics. Everything in this industry changes fast and as you've pointed out, what could be ideal for completing one objective (making sure a title tag fits in SERPs) may not be as good for another (promoting on social media).
Again, great post and i'll definitely be sharing this.
Probably the biggest rule is one you and your company don't want to hear, and that's that you don't need to spend a dime to get rankings.
I don't, and people visit my site. People in your commenting section visit my profile and then visit my site - I can see it.
What's more, reliance upon advertising...again money. You don't need this rubbish! Did you know the people visiting your site aren't doing so for your pop-ups? In fact, they hate them!
But you don't care about the user, you care about your profits. And that's why you'll always be second best. And for those of you relying on ecommerce sites or some other product - good luck! Why would I ever want to bookmark you?
Remember, know one knows what's happening tomorrow.
I find this video inspiring, I don't know I am the only person thinking so or there are other as well. ROI and Cost/Benefits are great reasons which every website owner wants to keep his eyes on, thanks Cyrus for nice vid!!
Now i understand the meaning of best practices, it just the most accurate thing. Thanks for the post Cyrus!!!
The way I see it, we are all explorers on a great adventure within an ever-changing landscape.
We're striving to reach the summit of the great mountain and have to overcome many obstacles on our path such as giant Panda's, killer Penguins and swooping Hummingbird's but we march onwards knowing that no matter how close we may think we are to our goal; that there are treacherous times ahead. Courage and the strength to accept small defeats and learn from them are what propel us.
One day, some day; we may reach the peak and look back in awe at a fantastic journey!
think I may write a mini-series soon, thoughts? ;)
Loved these points you made: "What people do is they stay on this line far too long, and they're fixing every little thing on their site, and they're not seeing a huge return on investment" & "If it ain't broke, don't fix it...If you're ranking really well, there's no reason to make that change, especially if you're talking about hundreds or thousands of title tags on your site. We get into the cost benefit ratio again." This second point is so important for business dev teams to understand. So often I hear of sales people doing a "free audit" and pointing out hundreds of pages that don't follow SEO best practices, but they fail to realize that many of those pages are ranking well & driving the most traffic and/or conversions. Sure, there are always going to be small tweaks we can make, but at what return? I'm sure any agency SEO specialist agrees that optimizing an already high-ranking site is one of the most difficult since we have to show return & not screw up existing rankings (which blindly following best practices can do). Great WBF, Cyrus!
Great Post! Thanks for sharing. The rules are always changing so I'll be sure to stay tuned and stay on top of it.
Very handy. Thank you for putting in the time to do this. :)
It is true example.com/keyword/keyword :) thanks
Great post cause sometimes we are lost in best practices that we forget to do whats best for our customers.
Things also change, especially algorithm.. Innovation in some cases helps you understand the essence of best practices.
Hi,
Quick question about best practices for mega menus. We use included js files to build our menus and simplify change management. Is that bad for SEO? I have read so many conflicting articles, I don't know what to believe. In the js files, a menu item looks like:
document.write(' <li><a href="https://www.teragren.com/products.html"><span>Products Overview</span></a></li> ');
Thanks!
Tony
Some rules in SEO are solid - don't spam with the same anchor text - but let's face it, some rules are not rules, just a best guess at best practice.
great - if something is not broke - dont fix it
and if you have rankings - never change a winning team
^^ depands on the costs, but its a great advice i think. I fixed many titles last weeks - but for sites wich didn't ranked well or wich truly needed a new one and I didn't made it till now :)
Great WBF
Also it might not look very natural when you start to rewrite all your meta tags all of a sudden.. So when starting to implement SEO plans it might be useful to implement changes over long period of time.
you said Title Tag must be 512 pixels.Thats good.what what are the main concept??i am new in this and my blog is an awesome technology blog .how can i make good SEO for it??
Welcome, Hasan! I suggest reading our Beginner's Guide to SEO to give you a good starting point on the main concepts.
Throw ROI out the window, replace with EV. A marketer that knows ROI but doesn't understand how to weight their equations and make expected value projections is extremely dangerous to a business IMHO. This is why there are legitimate established businesses right now that are removing links that point to their site as a result of old marketing methods that were supposed to help with SEO. Those things were done by people who knew ROI, but didn't understand EV.
Sorry, I'm not familiar w/ EV. What does that acronym mean?
So...follow the rules...except for sometimes? I understand what you're saying here, Cyrus, but I probably would have just left it alone. I do like the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" saying, but how will you ever know if it's broke or not? If you're typically ranking in the 5-7 spot on SERPs, is that broken or is it fine? I guess you'll never really know until you change something, which could be good or it could be bad. lol.
So, sometimes things work and sometimes they don't, and sometimes just move things around just to see, but sometimes you probably shouldn't. Well, that's perfect! I think that's what I've been doing since I started. lol, thanks for the video, though! I do love the Whiteboard Fridays!
"Best practices do change." That's refreshing to hear. Great video. Very valuable stuff in here.
As we know that Google is rolling out spam removal updates frequently, and importance of backlinks is getting low day by day, what if I use blackhast techniques to rank some even based blogs. In case of even niche blogs, ranking has to be there for small amount of time, so in this case we can prefer total blackhat to rank immediately!
Thanks for such an amazing post.
"Best Practices" are the most basic rules of SEO and internet marketing.
As in all creative and scientific pursuits mastery is not gained merely by learning to follow and implement the rules, but by learning how to properly break them as well.
Nothing is ever written in stone and is open to interpretation. So deviating from the norm can be the best course of action for the project