Since the Wild West days of the late 1990s, SEOs have been grouped into two camps – the “black hats” and the “white hats”. Over time, these distinctions have become little more than caricatures, cartoon villains and heroes that only exist in our individual imaginations, usually embellished to suit our marketing agendas. Even when grounded in specific tactics, “black” vs. “white” is a lot like “conservative” vs. “liberal” – the definition changes with the year and every person you ask, and that definition almost always comes loaded with assumptions and judgments.
Unfortunately, too many business owners still choose their SEOs based on the hat they wear, even when that hat only comes out on sales calls. So, I’d like to ask some better questions. There are real strategic and tactical differences behind what we often think of as “white” and “black” hat SEO, and those differences are what you need to understand to make the right choices for your own business.
This Isn’t About Ethics
While we generally think of ourselves as “white hat” here at SEOmoz, I’m going to put ethics aside temporarily for this post. I will assume that, when we say “black hat”, we’re not talking about outright illegal behavior (like hacking into someone’s site). We’re talking about willfully violating Google’s rules to improve your ranking. While I do believe there are ethical implications to cheating the system and harming search quality, this post is intended to be an honest look at the real choices you face when choosing an SEO path.
(1) High-Value or Low-Value?
The first question is – are you going to pursue “high-value” or “low-value” tactics? I don’t want to replace one hopelessly vague duality with another one, so let me define my terms. By “value”, I mean the value that these tactics provide to site and search visitors. We sometimes call low-value tactics “spam”. It’s not usually illegal and it’s not always even unethical (depending on your point of view), but it’s always done specifically for SEO purposes.
Here’s an example – linking all of your client’s sites back to your own site with keyword-loaded footer links. I wouldn’t call this unethical, but it doesn’t add value and, frankly, it’s just too easy. Google knows this, and they naturally devalue those links now (in extreme cases, they might even penalize the target site).
Ironically, “low-value” tactics are often considered to be a value to people who are trying to gain ground as cheaply as possible. Practically, people often underestimate the time these tactics take and overestimate the return on investment. Low-value tactics tend to fade quickly. As Google gets more aggressive, low-value tactics are also getting riskier (see Question #2).
There’s a more fundamental problem, though, in my opinion – low-value tactics don’t build anything toward the future. Once they fail, and they usually do, you have to start over and chase some new low-value tactic. Here’s an example – let’s say you get links back from all of your clients in low-value footer text, and your one-way link network looks something like this:
Link “juice” is flowing, and all signs are green. Then, one day, Google pulls the plug on this particular low-value tactic. What are you left with?
You’re not left with much, because these links never had real value beyond SEO. Imagine, though, that those links carried not only authority (in green), but traffic (in blue):
Now, let’s say Google changes the rules, and you lose the ranking power of those links. The links still have value, because they’re still carrying visitors to your site:
The picture may not look exactly the same, and the traffic quantity and quality have changed, but you’re not dead in the water. I know I’m oversimplifying this, but I just want to make the point perfectly clear. If you play the game purely for SEO, and you lose, you lose everything. If you build something of value that actually attracts visitors and then the rules change, you’ve still built something.
(2) High-Risk or Low-Risk?
The second question you need to ask yourself is: How much risk are you willing to accept? Don’t just smile and nod and tell me about how you’re a “risk-taker” – I’ve heard plenty of people tell their SEO companies to “Go for it!” only to be reduced to sobbing in the corner when their strategy crashed and burned months later. This is a time for brutal honesty. Can you live with the risk of a severe penalty, including being totally removed from the Google index?
High-risk SEO is like high-risk investing – yes, there can be high reward, if you know what you’re doing, but for every 1 winner at this game there are 99 companies that close their eyes, cover their ears, and whistle their way into disaster. If what you’re hearing from your SEO company sounds too good to be true, ask more questions. As Paddy Moogan’s recent post pointed out, your risk is not someone else’s to take.
To make matters worse, I think that many so-called “black-hat” tactics, and even some gray-hat tactics, are much riskier than they used to be. There was a time when, if you played the game too hard, you got a slap on the wrist and had to start over. You’d be set back a few weeks, but you’d also have made a lot of money in the months leading up to that. I’m not saying it’s right, but let’s at least be honest about the past.
Fast-forward to 2013, and look at an update like Penguin – almost a year after the original Penguin, we’ve still heard very few public recovery stories. The ones I’ve heard in private have almost always involved a massive culling of links (the good with the bad, in many cases) and took months. That’s months with major revenue loss, and this is from big agencies who have resources and connections that many business don’t have access to.
Even semi-innocent tactics have been hit hard. Fairly recently, you could spin out a bunch of city/state pages with a few long-tail keywords and do pretty well. Was it a high-quality tactic? No, but it’s hardly the essence of evil. Worst case, Google would start ignoring those pages, and you’d be out a few days of work. Then, along came Panda, and now your entire site can suffer for quality issues. The price of mistakes is getting higher, and Google is getting more punitive.
I’m not here to tell you what to do, but this is not just a “white-hat” sermon. I’ve studied Google’s movements a lot in the past year, and I sincerely believe that the risk of manipulative tactics has increased dramatically. I also believe that it’s only the beginning. So, if you’re going to play the game, make sure you can afford to lose.
It's almost important to understand that every tactic carries risk, especially if you fail to diversify. When I hear a company say "Our clients are never affected by updates, because we only use Google-approved methods!", then I know that company has only been in business for six months. Sooner or later, white-hat or black-hat, the rules will change. You could be sparkling white and still get hit by things like paid inclusion, SERP layout changes, SERP feature changes, etc. The time for SEO hubris is over.
(3) Short-Term or Long-Term?
Finally, I think you have to consider whether you’re in this for the long haul or just trying to make a short-term play. For example, let’s say you’re building an affiliate site to sell accessories for the Samsung Galaxy S4 (which was just announced while I was writing this post). The smartphone market moves fast, and as an affiliate in this space, you’re facing a few realities:
- You probably don’t have a lot of money to invest up-front
- You need to get your traffic rolling quickly
- Your peak opportunity may only last 6-12 months
Again, I’m not making a moral judgment, but this is a very different kind of business situation, practically speaking. You may not have time to build epic content or spend six months building up a social following, and the consequences of getting burned a year from now may be fairly small. So, if you know your business is short-term, you can take risks that other people can’t.
The problem, I think, is that too many long-term businesses think this way: “I can’t afford to spend money”, “I don’t have time to get moving”, “I need results now!” So, you dive into low-value tactics to get moving quickly and cheaply. Even if you never get smacked down by Google, the reality is that these tactics tend to be short-lived – they fade or burn out, and you’ve got to start again. So, you’re constantly in a cycle of chasing the next low-value trend.
This may be attractive at first, to get out the gate, but over time I think it’s a losing proposition. If you never build anything that lasts, you’re always stuck making repairs. If you invest early, those investments tend to pay out, and you can build on them. I’ve seen this so many times with content over the past few years – I invest in a piece that doesn’t quite live up to my immediate expectations (traffic-wise, social-wise, etc.), and I’m about to throw in the towel, when weeks or months later, it takes off and just keeps running. Once it’s running, you get to go along for the ride. Without that investment, you’re always pushing.
So, What’s Right for You?
I can't tell you how to run your business. I just want you to ask yourself (and your vendors) the hard questions. Are "low-value" tactics actually saving you money? How much risk are you really willing to take? Is your #1 priority to get up and running quickly and cheaply, or are you trying to build a real, long-term business? If the best your provider can do is show you their hat, and they can't help you answer these questions, then move on – it doesn't matter what color that hat is.
Its about time someone wrote an article about this that wasn't complete one sided garbage :-) Great post. Heartily agree.
I totally agree with Kris - I'd love to see more tests and their results. Also the reality from last year is clear that Google is becoming more aggressive and much more advanced in how it can find and remove those who do operate in the Black hat world. Mark my words, this year will be the year Google lays down the SEO law. They spent last year testing and gently tightening up, with the recent update that Penguin will continue to clamp down going forward.
While I treat most of Google's public statements with suspicion, they've warned us about the next Penguin update twice now. It's also taking so long that you know it's big, tricky, and probably ugly. When it comes, I'd lay money on it being big and bad.
er black and grey hat is still very very very doable. Those who were any good at it barely skipped a beat when penguin dropped. What I like about Dr petes post is he awknowledges that there are 2 sides to the coin but the table is a little (read a lot) tilted. For every 1 really smart guy who knows how to stay ahead of google there is at least 100 buying into the concept that they can copy a method that is publically known and blogged about and sold en mass at $0.01 a link on wickedfire and digital point and think that that makes them a "black hat" rather than a "sucker". The secret to blackhat is the same secret to whitehat. You have to actually work hard, and know what the eff you are doing. There are no shortcuts, only different methods.
The secret to blackhat is the same secret to whitehat. You have to actually work hard, and know what the eff you are doing. There are no shortcuts, only different methods.
I think you're right. But the the downside to blackhat is that it's hard to exit blackhat assets. I've done due diligence for organic-heavy acquisitions and seen large ($20M+) deals collapse due to blackhat.
On the flip side, you can sell a whitehat asset for 10x profit (or more), even though it may take 3x longer to get there.
So to me, it comes down to would you rather...
A) create a business that hits $1M/yr in profit after 1 year (or gets you $3M over 3 years) but you have to keep "working it", or
B) create a business in 3 years that you can sell for $10M?
Blackhat is fine, all things being equal, if you want to make money fast and don't mind not selling out.
That's an interesting perspective on how the tactics could impact the resale value of the site, and one I haven't really encountered. Thanks for sharing.
Agreed. I hadn't thought of it this way. However, "black hat-ters" are getting smarter by cushioning their sites with "throwaway sites" on which they use BH Techniques in order to promote their Main site.
Make it Idiot Proof and someone will make a better idiot...
Thanks for the post though, it's refreshing seeing someone honestly compare the two.
I prefer to stick to WH seo due to the fact that the sites I'm running will one day be full-fledged businesses, at which point like Jeb mentioned; the value of the company will be lower if you cut corners.
I see so many SEO "experts" now using the same spammy links, only they're pointing them at Tier 2 and Tier 3 sites that point back to their main money sites.
My question to them - and the reason I do not let any of the people who do this near my money sites - is How long do you think it will be before Google figures out that you are doing this, and creates a logarithm that will punish the site these spammy links are ultimately pointing back to?
Maybe I'm just paranoid. But having hit very hard by Penguin for spammy links that I bought from an SEO "Expert" who said they were not black hat, I no longer take those kinds of chances.
True, if you are creating web spam in the first place, why not do it? You have nothing to lose if you're just throwing up one page web spam sites to begin with. But for anyone who sees Internet Marketing as a Business, I would stay entirely away from spammy links no matter where they're pointing. Because eventually Google will figure out they are pointing back at YOU.
Hey Pete
Loved the post. I realise it's not about ethics, but my following rant certainly is.
It just pisses me off immensely the nerve some businesses have that preach the whiter than white approach, give off a great sales spiel and lovely customer testimonials and what do you get? A whole bunch of bought blogroll links that are never revealed to the site owner.
It prays on the naivety of people and it makes me very, very angry.
I actually don't have a problem with anyone who is transparent about what they do. You could even be the blackest of the blackety black black-hats, creating huge churn and burn results, if you open about what you'd do. I'd actually respect you more for it and being transparent then some of these big companies masquerading as something they're not.
Now, I can rant about this to the cows come home about how companies should change yadda-yadda and its unlikely to make a lick of difference. What would make a difference, however, is if the general client-base became a lot more aware and educated in SEO in general.
It's why I think sites like SEOMoz and many others are terrific - because they do exactly that. And yet, you see all the crap on Hacker News that just completely ignores this fact and you still see people going head-first into an SEO minefield, risking their entire online business in the process, without knowing any better.
If we can bridge the gap between the SEO education that already have out there and general public awareness, I think we can go a long way towards putting the unsavoury tactics that put people's businesses at risk once and for all.
I'll call the Prime Minister, you guys handle the President. And I'm sure Richard Branson owes me a favour or two...
I absolutely agree. If you trot out the white hat and then knowingly engage in risky practices on your client's behalf without telling them, then you're a liar and possibly a thief. I'll take an honest black-hat over a liar almost any day.
One question about linking clients sites back. Is there a way to do this without incurring Google's wrath?
Non-internet businesses do this all the time. Go past a house that's recently had a roof replaced and you'll see a sign out the front telling passersby the company behind it. Anytime you buy a car there's a sticker on the back window with the dealers brand.
I don't see any difference between these and having a link back to my business from the site I built for my client. Why does Google?
I think these links are at best ignored but you could always nofollow the link and just have it on the homepage. If you do this the client does leak the link juice from that link but no one will get hurt as such. Also, it removes the risk of you doing this for SEO purposes and seeing the win / lose situation detailed in the post.
I think it's only fair to have these links sometimes but only if the client understands and agrees.
I actually do this myself on a few jobs that don't have the budget and have added a credit page or some such which for jobs for education based sites has brought more traffic along so it has it's application at times.
He wasn't saying this. Simply that those links are realistically of low Value. You see them all over the web. often without any form of label. Sure they link back and MIGHT drive some traffic but the chances are they wont drive much.
Wouldn't it be far better to get your client to write a detailed blog about the processes they went through to engage your services and the work that was undertaken to create the fantastic website?
Illustrate that post with images of yourself and the client meeting and working together and get a glowing endorsement from them on the website, with followed links. Then share that "sukka" on social? Far more value there that some crappy little footer link.
There is no question that these footer links STILL add some value today.. but i believe that penguin will take care of NON relevant links in the future... if it has not already.
This is a good suggestion! Instead of linking directly to my site from the footer I have also tried to link to another page like www.clientsite.com/webdesign. From that page I had a link to my site and some information about me. It only gives me 1 link, but I guess it's better?
I gave the client a discount and that makes it for them :-)
I like the suggestions, it still seems really easy though compared to a footer link and I'm not sure how valuable the extra content is either. It would make sense for an authority website to pass credibility to the contributors.
It may not drive much, but sometimes in website design 'some' is all you really need. I'll be keeping the site-wide footer link with a nofollow attached. That's why the tag was created so I don't see a problem with it.
you can use nofollow. the main purpose is traffic
have it written naturally on their blog and have them tell about your success and how you helped them create awesome content. then its not site-wide and reasonably natural. Its not paid and i see no reason to nofollow
You're right - in a sense. This tactic is a natural extension of real-world advertising. The issue, in Google's eyes, is that it's been used to manipulate the link graph. Now, most of the time, they just devalue these links, but in the last couple of years, I've seen harsher penalties at times. A few suggestions:
(1) Don't load up links in the footer and push keyword-loaded text hard. It's amazing how often I'll still see:
[SEO Design] by [SEO Company] specializing in [City Name SEO] [SEO]
That's spammy, and everyone knows it. So, at least be subtle.
(2) Try to diversify - see if you can guest-post for a client (their audience might need to know more about SEO, hosting, design - whatever your expertise is). Consider some contextual links, even ads (no-followed), etc.
I don't think footer links from clients is the kiss of death, and they can still carry weight. I just think you have to avoid making that your entire SEO strategy. It's just been overdone.
Make it a no-follow link.
NoFollow is the answer. Also you may try to use small banner (logo) links I mean _<a_<img...
I have had only good practices such way.
Good Luck!
The problem, I think, is that too many long-term businesses think that way [short-term].
I think that this phrase synthesizes perfectly your post, Pete.
As you - without entering into a discussion about Ethics and SEO Metaphysic - I consider that at the base of the old manicheist BH vs. WH diatribe is Business and the incorrect understanding of how to do Business online.
Ultimately, it is an educational problem, which can be solved - IMHO - only with changing the mental asset in the relation between SEOs and Clients.
Don't build the relation over "Pure SEO Metrics" - they should be more a sort "control or counterpoint metrics" - but over business.
The questions should always be:
Surely there can be more questions, but starting with these three you can determine:
I know it is very strong to say and hard to accept, but sometimes SEOs themselves will need to say no if clients comes asking for quick wins when evidently it is not the case. That is really acting for your clients business' health and sustainability and not simply having a "client asks this, and I do that" state of mind.
"SEOs themselves will need to say no if clients comes asking for quick wins "
Oddly enough I did that recently. The potential client wanted guarantees that they would be number 1 for a core keyword within three months or they wanted out of the contract. I politely explained that I couldn't do that and even though they were willing to spend a lot of money I wasn't prepared to take the job on.
Turning it down allowed us to get into a much better dialogue and after six weeks of negotiation we have finally agreed realistic targets based on a sound marketing approach, not just a load of link building.
I agree, saying no does make a difference. It makes me poorer today but wealthier tomorrow and I know that I can at least sleep at night with a clear conscience.
I completely agree. The clients who expect those miracles and want them for dirt-cheap are often not good clients to work with, long-term. We shouldn't just say "no" because it's the right thing to do - it's often the smarter and more profitable thing to do.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
I have NO desire to work with clients that have no concept of "true" SEO, or worse think that just bc they pay to have a site built - their site should be at the top of Google over night - or in this case TWENTY MINUTES!
Quick, funny story: I recently had a client call me in a panic 20 minutes after going live with their site saying, "there is a major problem...we are not showing up for Miami Short Sales in our search". (Important NOTE - SEO services were never agreed upon due to their budget, so I was only hired to do the Web Design for this client.)
I'll just say this - I remained professional (and explained, again, the realities and COSTS of SEO), but it wasn't easy!!!
Great point Gianluca. I never accept clients who ask for unreasonable results in a short period of time. I won't cheat to get there, so they are sure to be disappointed. The potential damage to my company's reputation is much more important than a few thousand dollars of SEO work. And most of the time, they come back later after someone accepts and fails, and agree to listen to the original advice.
Also - Thanks for the insightful analysis Pete.
I think we're seeing more and more that traditional black-hat techniques are going the way of the dodo in terms of viability - I wonder why so many companies still push them as valuable strategies? Their terms of service must be robust as hell.
Trickle down affect... the funny thing is that LARGE agencies look at things from a short term approach as well.. they look to hire link builders that will provide FAST results.....
besides, the masses want fast results... simple as that..
TODAY'S "White Hat" tactics are TOMORROW's "Black Hat" :-)
At the end of the day, SEO is against Google's terms and conditions.. :-) So why not just be honest and say that we do what works today.. and that we all chase the same thing...
I agree 100% with using tactics based on timelines (short/long term goals)
and my last bit of RANT is that we fight the masses daily tooting "white hat" when 95% of the businesses are looking for FAST rankings..... :-) actually that is true for large agencies looking to hire link builders and link building companies..
In other words.... this is a top down trickle affect... :-)
So why are we still having this conversation???? ahhh.. new blood...
Great post though,
There are "white hat" tactics that could still be called manipulative and are done only for SEO purposes, but I don't fundamentally believe that SEO is a violation of search quality. Even Google publicly claims they don't believe that. At it's most ideal, our job is to help companies get found. Companies need to be found, and people need to find good companies. Done right, that can be win-win. In a perfect world, as the algorithms get more complex, then the tactics we use would be tactics that improve findability by improving quality. I don't think improving findability is inherently bad at all - it can provide real benefit to search uers.
It is absolutely true that today's "white hat" are tomorrow's "black hat". SEO is by its very nature manipulative. SEOs target specific search terms and try to improve rank for those terms.
A few years ago, loading up on links with targeted key words/phrases in the anchor text was not considered black hat or spammy. Now everyone's looking at their anchor text distribution to make sure they aren't overweighted on certain terms (as a result of what they did years ago which was considered perfectly acceptable).
A few years ago, everyone was getting as many links as possible, as Google told the world that links are the most important ranking factor. Now, we have to "disavow" low quality links or ask for link removals because we're afraid that the links are low quality. Or better yet, competitors can create lots of low quality links to get you penalized simply because the search engines choose to penalize rather than zero out the value of a low quality link.
A few years ago, we could provide incentives to bloggers to write about our sites (a very standard old school PR tactic). Now, if we provide incentives to bloggers, we are "buying links" in the eyes Google.
The bottom line is that anything you do beyond what the search engines outline as allowable SEO tactics will likely eventually be considered an "exploit" and as such, "black hat".
Good Post Pete.
From my point of view i'm with you, Black hat is a weird term anyhow, I never met anyone who was openly "black Hat" but did talk to a lot of agencies, and clients, who used or knew of "Grey Hat" stuff. Simply because their knowledge level was a little outdated. Either that or they thought they were being smart.
We all have a tendency to take the easy route if we think no-one is watching. I have always tried to provide great content but in the past that might have meant copying parts of other authors work with citation or scraping site feeds to create content where I had little knowledge. All frowned upon today, but a couple of years ago, it was a common tactic.
I don't think that we will ever to a time when SEO's will be able to sleep easy knowing that what "they consider" as quality content will always be so. The world changes, and what was cool on monday is trash by Friday.
What did I do wrong?
Love the post Pete and the comments/discussion happening so far, this is definitely a topic that the needs to be discussed. Recently it feels like more shades of grey have come into play by a lot of SEO firms in my market and even more black hat. I agree with ChaseSEO above me that Google really needs to firm up their rankings for white hat efforts and penalties for darker shades because to some, going very dark still seems like a 'good idea' even if it is just for a few months of returns.
A valuable perspective Doctor. In addition to risk-assessment and consideration of long-term vs. short-term objectives, another factor that usually springs-up in the white v black analysis is what I call, "but it works."
It usually goes a little something like this:
SEO: Here are you options. Here are the various potential consequence and risks associated with these actions.
Client: I noticed one of my competitors doing black xyz.
SEO: What the're doing is a bit black and can have consequences, like penalties, loss of revenue, etc.
Client: But it's working.
SEO: Right. Search engines aren't perfect, but they're in a constant state of evolution. What works today, might not work tomorrow.
Client: But it's working.
Obviously, search engines aren't perfect. And 2012 was perhaps, a Cambrian explosion in search. But we still see a lot of black working. And so do clients.
Whether it's SEO or dieting, humans tend to seek the "quick fix." I think it becomes an interesting question when the SEO, who's in a better position to understand the consequences of particular courses of action, does their best to articulate outcomes, but the client insists on taking the "pill that makes you rank."
I agree, It's true...
Yeah, I know - it's not easy. What's so tragic is that, often, the competitor is getting away with it because they've been around a while and have done it over a long time with a mix of other tactics. Then, you give in, do that same thing for your client, and they crash and burn (while the competitor still stands). At that point "I told you so" is lose-lose. It's not fair, but that's how it works. I'd rather walk away, personally.
me too.
This information is really worthy of reading. I appreciate the honesty of your words. I'd like somebody to answer if Link Building Services can still be considered white. I mean, because if not, then why can we see billions of Link Building Agencies ? Is it all about no follow in links? This reminds me of what happened in Lehman Brothers before the crisis, when they sold products knowing that they had no value at all !
Thanks in advance for the possible answers and thanks Dr.Pet for your knowledge and words.
I'd love to hear some thoughts on this as well.
Link Building Services can be found at either end of the ethical scale, it's just about the methodology behind those services. If they are creating great content and sharing it with relevant authorities, then great. If they're paying for links, not so great.
Great post Pete! - I know one of my biggest frustrations, especially on a local query is the 'grey hat' link building that so many sites do to support their ranking. When I explain to a client that someone's website is solely supported by comment spam or SEO directory links they still wonder why we can't use those same methods.
If Google wants SEO's to stay on the whitehat side, they need to eliminate the effectiveness of crap SEO or newbies to the industry will continue to make the same mistakes because they see this stuff in other people's profiles.
white/black has always been about managing risk with the Google PR machine trying to scare us into believing through cases like JC Penny, Inteflora, random mafia style tweets about Sape network discoveries that none of this stuff actually works. Which it kinda does doesn't it :) because otherwise it wouldn't be a threat!
So it will work, for a bit, it will get algorhythmically corrected and your free traffic will get pushed off the page.
The endgame is 100% paid listings, and informational searches on location/travel being botched together from different data sources (heck, why not format your website to make it easier for Google to dice and serve your content!) to poor affect. But it's okay because it's Google we don't need to verify content except if you'd like to have higher listings for linking your email, to google+, to whateverthenextgoogleproduct+ is!. Which again won't last because as soon as everyone does it, or there enough users and signups it will be said that people were gaming the system (evil doorway pages, <title> extortionists, rank manipulators)
Author rank is the current flavour of the month.
That there are "black hatters" spamming the hell out of Google is just fuel for Google to accelerate the process of paid listings under the auspices of making the results better for everyone. I think it's been noted enough around the www that the most recent updates in the algo actually hammered people that were not doing anything naughty on their domains, and I know I've spoken to a number that now have to throw 50K into Adwords as a result. For $200 these same people can get hosting, domain a CSV and GoogleBot will index 2.5millions pages on a domain. Do the maths.
In the meantime watch the results diversity diminish by running (remember to do this manually as you can't run automatic software on Google without written permission) your hands across the keyboard and typing in a search query and then taking down a list of the first 100 results, then remove all duplicate domains and do this each month. What you'll find is that in, for example, in a finance niche of 50 million results the actual number of websites being shown goes down to the heady heights of 38. Fifty million to 38. And because Google is more interested in revenue around key terms, the filtering options are as intuitive as there are people using Bing (which does a much better job of refining results).
It's unusual that I'd read such a post on here, as typically SEOMOZ seems to be an extension of Google PR machine, but Dr. Pete dropped in a classic (a little bit long winded) and I thought I would drop in and say hi for this year may it bring everyone success.
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Thanks for the post Dr. Pete. Great timing by the way (for me).
To be honest I am getting a little tired of doing 100% whitehat for almost 10 years. I just lost another client because their competitor has gone at least 50% blackhat in the last two years and generated about 20x revenues compared to them. 2 years and they have never received a penalty despite all sorts of link wheels and spam comment links from high authority sites (completely irrelevant pages too). Almost duplicate pages only created to trigger long tail keywords and stuff like footer links from their own websites etc... Creating pages with title tags and urls stuffed with popular and trending keywords but no sign of actual unique content on the page, only some generic press release content and etc.. The list goes on and on.
So I suppose the question is "how patient can you be and how long can you survive if you go 100% white hat?"
So when you assume that 1 out of 100 gets away with blackhat, so I guess I am very unlucky I have been running into them for 10 years :) When are we ever going to get rewarded?
Black (grey) and white hat tactics should be mixed at the beginning and white should be the only tactics for longterm. Without traffic it takes too long to get business going. With first money earned, one can hire bigger team and continue pure white hat.
Janis, That means we can earn Lots of "Money" in short time using Black-Hat?
What I'm saying is that by earning money, you have more options. Without earning money business in senseless. A lot of players in the marketing, using a lot of techniques - so one should find a balance.
I'm talking as an enterpreneur and also head of internet marketing company same time. All my businesses and clients dominate the internet market. I know what I m talking about.
Thanks for your response :)
Totally agree with this article. We only provide white hat seo, but it does become a pain when you are seeing others surpass your efforts using black hat seo techniques.
Black hat techniques still work, which is neither good nor bad. There are still thousands of robust paid link directories which require a subscription but will significantly increase citation and trust rank, leaving all the completely white hat SEOs in the dust. Now Google is always making the internet "more usable with less irrelevant content," except what many seem to forget is that Google promotes their own paid links! I learned about this after reading an article posted by @Aaron Walls , https://www.seobook.com/post-sponsored-google. It is important to diversify SEO practices in order to stay ahead of the curve, not black or white--just SEO. You can see how I applied some the organic techniques I learned from Aaron Walls at, https://miklinseo.com.
Hi Pete
I am missing your post since long but here it goes again. A wonderful post that I should share with my clients but unfortunately the scenario is not as simple as you describe.
Clients want quick result with cheap technics no matter what’s there business was. I just finished my argue with a CEO. He said you are SEO you job is to rank site in Google don’t tell me about Inbound marketing we don’t have time and money to invest. You are the only guy who need to manage 6 sites and rank them.
What should I say to them? As an internet marketer I am trying to evolve myself with latest trends but overall mind set of business owners will not change. Can you help me out.
I'd tell them. Metrics is short term wins. Concentrate on the long game or watch those precious metrics crash. A strong building starts with a firm foundation.
I have the same argument with some of ur clients. I simply inform then that "IF Ididnt tell you where you are going wrong, I wouldn't be doing my job properly."
Try to remind yourself that you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.
So, inform your client of your opinion based on the figures and facts. Then write it in an email to the CEO and store in your CRM. If they don't listen, you have evidence that they ignored your advice, and implemented the wrong tactics. Then tell them the prices have gone up ;D
Tough as it is, sometimes you should walk away. Companies like that have unrealistic expectations, don't buy into what you're doing, will want everything now for as little as possible, and won't lift a finger to give you copy, images, or any insight into their business. That may sound harsh, but I've been down that road so many times I've lost count. At best, you'll get a short-term contract that makes you miserable for a few bucks. You deserve better.
I must say the owners (boss) are main cause for black hat practices, their profit motive plans and target levels, incentive offers.
Las week I had a hard discussion with one of my client site owner. I got a email with long list of targent achievements and its incentives. What I replied is try to make him aware about the dangerous situations the site may cause due over optimizaiton and link building.
So the awareness will be the one and only solution
Great post. Explicitly stated some facts many SEOs knew implicitly for a long time. Also, to answer the three questions asked, SEOs need to know their clients. It is sad that so many still fail to do that.
SEO is a high risk game whichever way you look at it so it is always preferable to look at other marketing strategies that have an SEO kickback. Things like PR and News is great, it will win you links, help with SEO etc. Guest posting (i know, i know) but only on triple A sites again will win you exposure, more social followers to seed content out to and should have an SEO kick back.
Working this way, looking for exposure, referrals and secondary benefits like improved SEO and social signups mitigates the risk and adds more value to the campaign.
The days of tracking rankings, for most industries at least, should hopefully be dead and buried as they are not the metrics that matter.
Very balanced and sound post, Dr. Pete. There are some caveats though: - blackhat does not necessarily mean short term, it all depends on the actual setup - today's "whitehat" tactics can end up condemned as grey hat tomorrow
It wasn't really my intent to tie black-hat to one side of each question, but I can see how it reads that way. I really intended the alternate questions to be independent of each other. There is definitely short-term and low-value "white hat" SEO, if we define "white" as just following Google's rules. Link-bait is short-term, for example. It's not unethical, and it can be great for generating a spike of interest and brand-building, but it's not great for long-term traffic and conversions usually. Ultimately, you have to know what your goals are.
Definitely a great way to look at things differently! Awesome article!
Of-course it takes time, always good to go with white..
There will always be people who would like to think they are smarter and like to take shortcuts.
The post mentions about both the sides of the coin.
Make it Idiot Proof and someone will make a better idiot...
The line sums it all.
Personally I have used blackhat techniques and they are still very effective in certain areas.
The notion that they will gradually fade away is a myth.
People who do blackhat SEO also do the same hard work as compared to white hat seo.
PS: I liked the post.
Great post - Its true a lot of people are searching for the quick fix, but in reality the more legitimate you are with your SEO the more consistent and stable you are going to be for the long haul.
Well-written blog post, the idea is presented with a twist to demotivate black hat SEO. Its obvious that everyone would opt for high quality SEO tactics...
Hi Pete,
Good thing to talk about here, You know what, I was also thinking about this topic also, Because as I have observed, Most of the sites doing Black Hat are also Ranking well on Google than all those sites that are just ranking their sites in a good way/White Hat style. I'm thinking maybe that's one of the reasons why some of the Site Owners are agreeing to use Black Hat.
BUT, there are just no assurance of "UNTIL WHEN" there going to be on the top of the Search Engines.
Look at SEO as a traffic generation method - so don't put a ton of stuff on the page for example just to rank high but then your conversion rates are c***
Black hat are just high risk tactics it depends on you, whether you're willing to take the risk or not, so it's your choice no one is going to tell you what to do or not!
Just know the risk what it is, then make a decision... I prefer white hat because for a little more effort you still get top rankings and traffic and have not that risk of getting your site totally banned or some heavy penalty!
This very nicely sums up the state of search today--short term vs long term gains can be a tough concept to communicate to those outside SEO, but this makes the distinction clear.
I think I'll write a response to this for my next blog at the Traffik site.
People in our industry talk about Google Panda, Penguin, penalties, etc. as something bad that can negatively affect your business. We should remember, though, that the set of user queries flowing into Google does not change through all of this, but those users just see different links. So for every site that loses its ranking and traffic, there is another site that gained in ranking and traffic. If you build good-quality, compliant stuff, then Google's continuing efforts to favor higher quality more relevant sites will actually work out in your favor.
Anyone notice the (coincidental?) timing of Google becoming more aggressive in penalising 'easy' SEO, and Google sending out shed-loads of vouchers to encourage internet marketing agencies to sign up new Adwords customers?
To me, it looks a lot like revenue protection to me - 'Your SEO no longer works, spend money on Adwords..'
not to brag or anything (ok, I'm bragging a little) but one of our clients from 2011 is still ranking for the local SEO strategy that we gave them. In fact, it accounts for a majority of their business. :) Long term value definitely pays off.
Great post
With all the chat of various black and white hat techniques Google has been playing a fair game. I have noticed that Google offers a disavow tools which helped us out because if you have a site that has been going for years then you will see all the SEO techniques that have been used (article genartion, blogs, footer link and link farms). These allowed us to get rid a few of the older links we had that where doing harm.
Also one of the other things I noticed was that site we thought where doing harm where actually helping us and vice versa.
However the one downfall of this tool is that it might encourage a flurry of black hat to get you going then once high ranks are achieved start to phase out the black hat and the white hat starts to take over.
The trouble is as stated above when you meet client who says our competitors rank better and you explain that they use 'black hat' which will do them harm,then 4 months down the line there still there and you've just hit the top ten.
The question about ethics can become diluted because if we as SEO providers can't explain why a site has not been penalized yet or while I use my white hat techniques rivals that are using black hat are appearing then higher me then clients are going to have some questions. I guess the answer is that sometime you have to fight dirty.
I'm totally with the idea that you need to do SEO tactics that offer something beyond SEO. Those are the strategies I've been focusing on the past year. If I find myself doing something just for SEO and don't see any other value then I've stopped doing it.
I don't think black hat tactics are bad as long as it gets you results you want and won't hurt your site in the present and hopefully not in the future.
Every automated link you make is blackhat.
I agree with you, Great post Pete. Thanks for sharing such a valuable information with us !!
A really great post, i would like to share my opinion here, that a growing organization must have all types of client who want "Black Hat" or who wants "White Hat" because you want to grow at this stage.
When you are on a level, you are a popular name or brand on that time you (Company) must deny about "Back Hat" practice. Because this type of activity result will not be persist, it would harm later and surely your brand or company name will be negative popularity.
So finally strictly deny to "Black Hat" on a above discussed stage.
Deepak
Hello Dr. Peter,
In the past, this seems to be an unending debate. Well, after major changes in Google’s algorithms, majority of big businesses shifted from Black Hat practices to White Hat. Black Hat SEOs are having a hard time fixing their sites with countless penalties. There’s a speculations that black hat is facing extinction.
Unless its natural, all link building is Blackhat!
I often read many posts where SEO experts frown upon Blackhat strategies but then openly promote link building. According to Google’s TOS, natural links are links others point back to your site without the need to pay for it, ask for it, comment for it or insert a link in your article to gain it.
So, if all link building strategies are in effect manipulating search engine results, doesn’t it stand to reason that all link building is Blackhat and the majority of off-page SEO practiced by SEO firms is in effect, Blackhat?
Isn’t having an online business all about rankings, traffic and conversions in the first place and search engine optimization should essentially be a technical, and possibly not a moral or ethical issue?
Black Hat & White Hat SEO are basically two different techniques to implement the Search Engine Optimization. Black hat SEO name suggests it is unethical & not preferred. In this duplicate date & plagiarized data & content are used. It is considered in spamming. Example of Black Hat are Clocking, Link Farms, Doorway Page etc. Whereas White hat is generally considered as safe and ethical as its name suggests. In White hat, we use quality data and avoid redundancy of content.
Hello Peter,
I like your post but I want to concentrate on white hat SEO after reading the consequences of Black Hat SEO in your article.Some people willingly break rules of SEO but it may be detected with the help of AI. Thanks for helping me.
I think it totally depends on SEO that what type of business he is running a short term or long term?If he is doing it for 6 months like short time then black hat SEO will be useful for him because if the competitors are more there than at least 6 months should be needed for its business or website to search engine love.
Great post Pete,
Various tricks are used for Seo, before make penalize or banned website be sure get much knowledge about these tricks.
I too agree with hireawizseo
Only one word "excellent"
Great Article... Worth reading it.
Great article , I love the way the online playing field has really leveled out and continuing to further. Either invest in quality content and a top user experience or suffer low rankings , google really has got the right idea thanks again for the great read cheers Jessica Constantine
Site wide footer with exact anchor text in 2013?You must be kidding :-)
Lots of great points in here Dr. Pete. I think a lot of people decide to use black hat strategies because they feel they won't have to invest as much money into their SEO campaign as they would by implementing white hat strategies.
As you pointed out though "low-value tactics don’t build anything toward the future". When they fail, you're back at square one and have to drop more money into the latest black hat strategy to beat the search engines. Except in rate instances, I think black hat SEO is actually much more expensive that good long lasting white hat strategies.
I liked your post and its better to follow right way rather then black hat which can bring you at bottom all of a sudden.
that was an awesome, pete.
Nice post, although we don't think you can realistically extract ethics from the whole dilemma.
nice post - the only reason why BH is not as popular as before now and that "building quality" is, is because BH no longer works the way it used to. The only blackhats that are left are highly intelligent programmers (SEOs) or total morons.
White hat SEO has always played a vital role. Black Hat can help you rocket launch your campaign but will also shatter down to pieces soon as Google figures it.
Nice post to comment on, black hat techniques has never been my cup of tea, as they are fast in everything, gets ur site rank really fast and then gets it banned really fast lol.
Meaning Full article that will help lots of business owners, As I have seen many websites that they are using Black Hat and all the websites on the Top in SERP why ? Even they have all Web page contents Copied or no content only JPEG Image... without ALT - Tag.....?
That Means Google will not harm Branded and Popular things.. Then why Google Warn BBC UK for unnatural links?? :LOL :D
Great article. I recently have had an experience with a client's ex-SEO guy whereas he is threatening my client and bombarding him with spam, negative reports and flagging everything he can to try to throw a stick in our efforts. He has had our listing removed several times over the past few months and it has become a real white hat vs. black hat fight with this guy... It is very frustrating when my client asks why his competitor has 200+ reviews and he only has around 20 (real reviews). This guy travels around using free wi-fi locations and creates fake reviews all the time under the guise of different IP addresses so Google says they can't really do much to help me in this case. Crazy huh?
Learn the new fight rules. This will become every day work to fight off different bastards.
I haven't heard much about this kind of work. Is it common?
The question is should be, "Are your SEO tactics within the context of a well planned strategy towards achieving your clients specific goals?" Tactics (Black, Grey or White) without goal based strategies are just random levers being pulled. This article compliments Dr. Pete's https://www.parallelpath.com/blog/seo-strategy-vs-tactics/
"if you’re going to play the game, make sure you can afford to lose."
That's what I tell clients that want to "test out" those low-value tactics. If they really want to give it a try do it on a site that you don't really need to succeed, not on the one that supports your livelihood. In my opinion it's just not worth the risk and the odds are definitely stacked against you.
I think we're in a new era of Google where black-hat tactics are very likely to devalue or ban your site from search results. In the past, being a "risk taker" and deciding to "go for it" (whatever it was) had less chance of creating a lasting negative effect. Now it can be a nightmare to clean up your mistakes.
I agree that the caricatures of "white hat" and "black hat" SEOs are sweeping generalizations that probably don't apply in many cases. I tend to believe that most people are honest business people who are merely trying to compete in the market. Their chosen SEO methods are often a matter of education, not "good guy vs bad guy." I bet you'll find a mix of good and bad tactics with the average small business.
I know I did some dumb things before I joined SEOmoz last year. I'm sure I'll continue to discover things I should have done differently, and Google will continue to change what they reward and penalize... and round and round we go.
Black hat can make you tons of money in a short period - that's tempting and many at least try it. SERP's may be cleaner today (in most cases) but other playgrounds are available for black hats (namely the play store). Building a long lasting online business is harder and many people (i think) tend to prefer the "easy" route at least for a while. Problem is to succeed as black hat (as mentioned in the article) is pretty hard nowadays without those really illegal tactics…
I don't know why clients try to become pseudo-SEO experts when choosing a consultancy. They read a couple of articles that simplify the discipline beyond recognition and then base their decision of weird and abstract factors that have no relevance to the value of the service provided.
Why don't they ask to see the analytics over time for the SEO company's own website and that of the company's clients. The basic Google Analytics graph will tell them much more about the quality and credibility of the agency and its ability to generate results than anything else!
the matter of fact is if the site is a good and valuable site then it does't matter which technique we deploy. Over the period of time it will generate traffic.
I will not agree with this statement - "linking all of your client’s sites back to your own site with keyword-loaded footer links. I wouldn’t call this unethical, but it doesn’t add value and, frankly, it’s just too easy. Google knows this, and they naturally devalue those links now (in extreme cases, they might even penalize the target site)". We start doing business with one of the company just by getting the information from footer of their existing website; hence it is not a low value tactics. I would say if you can get a link from Footer do get but make sure that your adding no-follow.
I was talking about it doing it purely for SEO purposes - if you're no-following, then you're not trying to manipulate the link-graph. I think footer links can have their place, if you don't overdo it. Saying "so-and-so built my site" isn't wrong and can even have user value. As an SEO tactic, though, it's just been abused to death, and it's "low value" to search users 95% of the time.
What it is really time for is for Google to stop counting links as its main (only) way of ranking sites. Adding different links (Google+) isn't the answer either. The problem, of course, is that the scale Google has doesn't allow for much more than the simplest (fastest) of algorithms, which is why Panda and Penguin have to be done "offline".
Until this changes, the low-value/high-value distinction can also be divided into the short-term vs. long-term, where "short" isn't always that short. People ranked #1 for YEARS before Google pulled the plug on ALN.
This is great! seoMOZ, you rock!!
So at the end of the day, the argument is still that black hat tactics are bad, right? It's not a difficult thing to understand, really. It's not like Google is an open marketplace where "good" and "bad" tactics have equal footing. Google is trying to be "ethical" (in the sense of making sure its users get what they want) and the best way to operate in that sphere long term is to play by the rules. It's not a case of sleeping well at night, it's about the service you provide being fuller and more rewarding if you do it right. So ultimately, it IS about ethics, but the ethics are part of the business model, which is really cool. The only argument in favour of it seems to be "well it works right away for a bit and the client wants it" yeah well the client may want a jingle too, but it's my job to tell them that it might be a waste of time and money. Maybe the entirety of SEO will be gone in a couple years due to some radical new model. Then I can go become a train conductor.
Everyone knows that White is better, but pressure on SEO's forcing to change it :)P
Great perspective. I am glad that I am in a business that doesn't have to deal with flash in the pan business models and look at almost all of my seo as a long term project. The pressure to create traffic fast has been the demise of many.
Thumbs up for the visual explanation of traffic and link juice. An example would be how John Chow servived after being banned by google.
A big thank you for having taken the time to write this article. It is concise and constructive!Within our SEO agency, we believe that a balance between black hat and white hat should be found and trustworthiness proved to Google regularly. It must not be forgotten that a technique used today by a “white hat” can very quickly be used by “black hats” tomorrow, so the question to ask is “is there really a white hat SEO technique today?” Thank you again for sharing your article which we will willingly pass on to our French-speaking community.
I do think that going about your business in a smart will never lead you to any dark places. When setting up a business, offline or online one must really assess the proposed value one would put into the business.
No one should aim short term in any business so going for the long haul will be a guiding light to all decisions done for one's business.
How it is decided that its a low quality link.
i really went to know about this and also more detail about white hate SEO any way nice article.
interesting also thanks for sharing.
Dr. Pete,
Great article. I see that one of the major problems is the companies that are looking for help and know absolutely nothing about SEO/SEM and fall prey to the vultures out there that promise them Page 1 ranking, etc. If we can educate the masses on what is needed to acheive a ranking like that and how much "real work" goes into it then we may see the field being level but the types that are looking for a fast buck and giving everyone else a black eye in the process.
Keep up the good work.
Ongoing quality content and consistent effort to push your content in front of people who actually want to read it - creates lasting links AND traffic. Super low risk. Great article!
Hey Pete,
That's a really great article. I wanted to know whether doing SEO for long term basis or short term basis and what will be it's effects on our sites for Google Ranking. Your Article is really helpful and in detail. I am very new at SEO. But I gonna soon try this on my sites.
My question to you is this Do you think is if On page optimization is better when you want stay at Google Page rank for long term or is Off Page optimization have the same importance?
Dr. Pete,
I was wondering if you could give us some advice, in your article you stated: " linking all of your client’s sites back to your own site with keyword-loaded footer links". We've created several sites and always add "Site Design by Moonstone Interactive" with our company name as a link back to our site, but we do not load this link with keywords at all. I was checking MajesticSEO.com and it seems we lost several backlinks from these client sites. So my question is: Did Google penalize us for these links and that is why MajesticSEO is showing them as 'lost backlinks' or is something else going on?
Thanks,
The Moonstone Team
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How it is decided that its a low quality link.
I just wanted to know what are the points you check while approaching it and saying that's a low quality link.
This post has just arrived at the right time... its going to be shown in a meeting in a few hours.
The answer to the question above about why companies still offer "Black Hat" as it easy to sell and easy to pull the wool over the clients eyes. SEO is a very specialised field, jo bloggs marketer just about understands the principles and certainly a non IT CEO wouldn't have a clue...
Businesses want the fast quick approach for zero money... then the black hatters are in business. The company doesn't care what happens as long as the phone ring or they see something happening... sod the future is there thinking lets worry about now.... The Black Hat companies will have get out clauses and have small print which will not be read.
A sensible companies with a long term view/goal will spend the money and see it as an investment and understand that writing 10 guest blogs does take 1 day and cost £50.. they'll know it will take time to research the topic, what will gain the maximum traffic over a long period of time, and then finding sites which are willing to have these guest blogs.. that will take min 10-20 days.. and then 3-4 months to get the results hense £500+. These are the companies which will succeed and grow....(by the way what I have written is just making a point... not an actual process ;o))
Sadly, people hear what they want to hear. That was the frustration behind my snake oil rant last year.
White hat forever ;o)
-Chenzo
Great post Pete!
I think there are a large amount of businesses who simply dont have the SEO budget to play a purely white hat game. Inbound marketing, content marketing, link earning- all takes a lot of time/resource and money for your SEO company and unless you have a budget of ££££'s per month, it could take a long time to get anywhere using these techniques in low volumes.
SEO companies who have clients with smaller budgets have found themselves in a situation where the low value tactics not only dont work, but present a real risk for the clients websites and business. However, the budget isnt there to get much traction using of purely white hat tactics.
As a respectable agency, we always focus on educating the client in long term strategies and attempt to secure a budget which enables us to carry out SEO which presents no risk to the target site. If a client is set on looking for quick wins on a smaller budget the best option is to create a new site on a disposable domain which we can be more aggresive with.
I think the author has same expertise in BHS as I have in chinese calligraphy :) Sorry but thumbs down
Black hat is bad - period. It doesn't make it less bad if your client knows you're using black hat methods, it's still black hat. It's like saying stealing a car to sell to somebody else is OK as long as the person buying the car knows you stole the car. It's not OK, and it's not OK to use black hat methods... at all, period, end of story.
I don't want to dive deep into the ethical debate, which has been rehashed hundreds of times, but I generally define "black hat" as violating Google's rules. Google is a for-profit entity with its own agenda, and their rules can be arbitrary. I don't think equating black-hat to stealing is a fair comparison in many cases. I think there are real ethical implications, but it's far from black and white.
The bigger issue, though, is that the "end of story" black/white view is exactly what gets many businesses in trouble. They rush to an SEO who hangs a "white hat" shingle, but then that SEO takes their money up-front and produces no results (or even does something risky or stupid behind their back). Just because they play by Google's rules, was that right? If you take someone's money and don't tell them the whole story or produce any results, to me that's stealing. The fact that you did it with a white hat on is irrelevant.
I like your taste in verbs, but I'd take your argument a step further. In 2013, a person who thinks it's possible to make a distinction between "White Hat vs. Black Hat" SEO, is not an SEO. If you are not encountering difficult moral decisions on a near-daily basis, you may be a marvelous product strategist, or brand marketer, and there's a whole lot of need for that, too — but you are probably not an SEO.
Maybe one day, a clear bright line will emerge. But I don't see anything from Mountain View to suggest we're anywhere close to that point.
Edit: D'oh! That came out harsher than I meant it. What I meant is, SEO is no longer simply a set of best practices that can be learned from a blog. There's now an immense degree of technical mastery involved, so much so that White Hat and Black Hat are starting to look a lot alike.
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Hey Pete,Generally customers do not aware about the black and white SEO terms, just they require solutions to bring the business efficiently. The day has gone when black hat working fine for the customers, now the white hat is working.
If anyone try to jump into the search engine top position, it is assure that they will go down and loss of business. So the time has come for the informative SEO and to win the user experiences.
If your information is quite informative and satisfactory to the users, that means you will grow dramatically at the search engines. No need to get back links a lot from the other websites, just keep informative information to your blog or website and grow your business effectively.
Thank you so much to sharing a wonderful information