We all want to influence our customers and our clients to follow the path to conversion. But what if that path fails to draw them in? That's where Nathalie Nahai, the web psychologist, comes into play. She helps nudge your audience toward the right path and make your goals in Google Analytics happy, not to mention your boss or clients.
Nathalie recently authored the new book Webs of Influence: The Psychology of Online Persuasion. We were so impressed with Nathalie that we invited her to speak at this year's MozCon, July 8th-10th in Seattle. Get your ticket today because you don't want to miss this:
How'd you get your start working in inbound marketing as a psychologist?
I have a mixed background in psychology, the arts, and web design, and it wasn’t until I met some of the digi/tech entrepreneurs in East London that I even considered applying my psychology to online interaction. I became curious about how we’re influenced online and started looking for books on the subject. When I realised that there was a huge gap in the market, I decided to write the book myself. That was the real launching point.
Those of us working with data sometimes have to fight "common wisdom." What web psychology optimization tip always shocks people?
I think the most obvious one is based around a comfortable assumption regarding website visitors, to which my response is always, "If you think you know your target audience, you’re wrong. Where’s your research?" No matter how well you think you know your audience, you should always research them, and never assume that the knowledge you have about them is carved in stone. People change — so must your strategy.
What's your favorite social media medium to engage in?
I’d have to say Twitter, or Instagram when I’m travelling. Though recently there have been so many genuinely fascinating updates running through my Facebook feed, including my favourite, I Fucking Love Science, that a lot of my productivity has been lost to that particular black hole.
You recently wrote a post about why people troll online. How do you recommend dealing with trolls?
Honestly? I usually write a polite, reasoned response back, and if they retort with something obnoxious (which thankfully happens fairly rarely), then I ignore the thread. There’s no point fuelling the fire.
" ...given that a great proportion of our communication is non-verbal [8], and that we rely heavily on facial recognition to connect with and understand one another, it may be that losing eye-contact online actually cuts out our main avenue for empathetic communication – without which we become emotionally disconnected and more predisposed towards hostile behaviour."
Now for some fun stuff, what's inspired you lately?
I went to an incredible gig by Susheela Raman, an extraordinary Tamil-London musician whose skill and smouldering charisma make for spellbinding, trance-inducing performances. I’ve loved her music for years, and every time I go to one of her shows, I end up on a high for days. If you ever get the chance to see her live, grab all your friends and go. She’ll blow your mind.
Susheela Raman performs "Kamakshi."
Okay, since I know you're a Trekkie (I'm one too), what was your favorite non-spoilery part of Star Trek Into Darkness?
I LOVED the new Star Trek!
My favourite bit was the tribble cameo. It was a cheeky nod to one of my favourite episodes, "The Trouble With Tribbles," where someone sneaks a tribble onto the Enterprise and they multiply so fast they clog up the whole ship.
Thank you so much, Nathalie, for sharing a bit about web psychology, some beautiful music, and a couple types of geekiness with us. :)
If you're interested in seeing more from Nathalie, she'll be at this year's MozCon, July 8th-10th, talking about "How Gender and Cultural Differences in Web Psychology Affect the Customer Experience." You can also follow her on Twitter @TheWebPsych and read her book, Webs of Influence: The Psychology of Online Persuasion.
Really stoked to hear Nathalie speech at MozCon, because psychology surely is something that is not only important from a brand/user relation point of view, but also because I've the perception that some few principle of psychology, meant also as a science that can help putting in context the sentiment of wording in a written environment as it is the web (i.e.: users reviews, articles and post about something/someone), will grew in importance also in the Google Algo Economy.
P.S.: Tribbles are the perfect metaphor of duplicated content when it come to SEO! I love them (still remember a fantastic Tribbles themed pinball in the TV Station I worked in when I was younger).
That pinball machine sounds amazing!
Yeah, Nathalie's talk is going to be so awesome.
I am looking forward to the line up this year, and Nathalie sounds like she is going to bring an interesting perspective. Sounds pretty inspiring from the CRO angle.
Definitely! We also have Kyle Rush, who's going to be talking about the CRO that he did for Obama's reelection campaign.
Forgot about that. Pumped
I'm happy to see the science of the brain really making its way to the world of online interaction. The idea that website visitors are logically-driven and parse our web content like robots is a misconception that needs to go away. So much is being discovered regarding our very human quirks and this will likely open up a whole new industry for inbound marketers.
I purchased Nathalie's book 'Webs Of Influence' a while back, it's the best book I've ever purchased. Influence and Persuasion are often so overlooked online with so much else to cater for, Nathalie brings home just how important and game changing mastering these arts are. A fun interview on here btw :-)
Another post that makes me wish I were going to Mozcon! ;-)
I'd love to see more posts about CRO and online behavior. I studied psychology and it's always interesting to see how people actually behave and compare that to how you *think* people would behave. Natalie's point about research can't be repeated enough; no matter what you think you know, have the data to back it up.
Psychology + seo = unstoppable genius. If I were to go back to school (not like I have time to do that) I would go to a phycology-focused marketing program.
Great interview Erica, thanks! Nathalie is a great speaker and I am about half way through Webs of Influence, which I highly recommend. I wish web psychology was around when I was still in education, such a great subject!
I won't be able to make Mozcon but looking forward to watching the recording of this talk. I really enjoyed Nathalie's book on web psychology - It's great to see a lot more CRO focus in SEO.
I wish this post went a little deeper into some methods Natalie uses...I guess we will have to wait until Mozcon to find out. This is one thing I am always working on is sales flow how people interact and more importantly why people interact with content a certain way. I can't wait to hear the speech!
It definitely wouldn't have been very fair if I spoiled Nathalie's talk. :) You should also check out her book.
Hello
will you be recording the conference? It sounds interesting
Yes, we do record all the sessions. The videos (streaming/downloading access with decks) will be for sale a few months post-MozCon, depending how fast our a/v crew and devs can button it all down.
thanks Erica
Really enjoyed this post - Very gutted that I won't be able to get to MozCon to see Nathalie's talk. Am hoping there will be some form of coverage afterwards?
Hi Gemma - We record all sessions at MozCon, and they'll be ready in the coming months after MozCon for purchase. :)
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Great speaker, I've read her blog before - She has some excellent stuff on international selling and some seriously good tips! Guessing this is officially the year that SEOmoz dies and Moz is born properly - A range of Inbound speakers rather than just the SEO notoriety list!
We're definitely bringing a wide-range of amazing speakers to talk on a great variety of inbound subjects. :)