There are some great arguments to be made on both sides of the question of whether links are losing value in Google's algorithm. In some ways, it seems that they are -- and in some, they're more valuable than ever. In today's Whiteboard Friday, Rand explores both sides of the argument, offering some concrete advice to SEOs on how they can navigate today's waters.
Here's the link to coverage of Google's testing removing links from the algorithm, and to the roundup post where links as a ranking signal are discussed (in particular, check out Russ Jones' reply in the comments). For reference, here's a still of this week's whiteboard!
Video Transcription
Howdy, Moz fans, and welcome to another edition of Whiteboard Friday. Today, I want to talk a little bit about links losing their value in Google's ranking algorithm.
So Google recently came out and talked about how they had tested a version of their search engine, of search quality algorithms, ranking algorithms, that did not include links as a ranking signal. Of course, a lot of SEOs went "Wait, they did what?"
But it turns out Google actually said they really did not like the results. They didn't like what they saw when they removed links from the ranking elements. So maybe SEOs are going, "Okay, can I breathe easy, or are they going to keep trying to find ways to take links out of the ranking equation?" Certainly, links for a long time have been an extremely powerful way for SEOs and folks to move the needle on indexation, on rankings, on getting traffic from search engines.
I'm going to personally come out and say that, in my opinion, we will continue to see links in Google's rankings systems for at least the next five and probably the next ten years. Whether they continue to be as important and as powerful as they've been, I think is worthy of a discussion, and I do want to bring up some points that some very intelligent marketers and SEOs have made on both sides of the issue.
So, first off, there are some folks who are saying, "No, this is crazy. Links are actually growing in value." I thought Russ Jones from Virante made some excellent comments on a recent blog post where some experts had been asked to do a thought experiment around what Google might do if links were to lose signals.
He made some good points, one of which was as Google filters out . . . so let's say I've got this webpage on Google, and as I filter out the value that are passed from some links through algorithms like Penguin or through filtration systems that remove either Web spam or low-quality links or links that we don't find valuable in our relevancy algorithms, it actually is the case that these other links grow in importance. In fact, as Russ wisely pointed out, many of the other kinds of signals that Google might potentially replace links with, things around user and usage data, things around social signals, all of those things actually can be validated through the link graph, and you can use the link graph to add additional context and information about those other signals. So I think there's a point to be made.
People have also pointed out that as we get into this world where no-follow is very, very common, a lot of websites putting no-follow on there, social sharing is oftentimes a much more common form of evangelizing or sharing information than linking is. Before we had the popularity of Facebook and Twitter and LinkedIn and Google+ and all these networks, that social sharing would have been bloggers and people in forums linking out to these resources.
There's also, unfortunately, created a lot by Google themselves, and Bing to a certain extent, too, there are many, many webmasters and site owners and editorial specialists on the Web who have a fear of linking out. They worry that by linking to something bad or if they link out and then something happens to that website they link out to, that maybe something will happen to their site.
As a result, it's actually become a greater and greater challenge over time to earn editorial links for everyone. This is interesting because it actually suggests that there is more value when you do earn those editorial links. So I think there's a very credible case to be made.
On the flip side, there are SEOs who are pointing out, hey, look links are definitely a diminishing signal because there are elements in a ranking system, and anytime you have elements in a ranking system and you add new signals of relevancy, new signals of usefulness, of importance, of popularity, whatever those are, the pie chart has to squish those in. Then, the portion that used to be links, all of this stuff here, just this portion is still link-
based. So links become a smaller piece of the pie chart.
One good way of explaining this is think of, for example, Olympic ice skating, where you have judges who give rankings. Those judges, they'll give a score -- a 7.5 and an 8.5. They have criteria that they look at. As new criteria get added, the criteria for other pieces necessarily becomes a little bit less important.
Now, in Google's ranking system, it's not quite the same logic. We don't have a pie chart that can add signals and remove signals. It's not like everybody has a score out of just 10. But the ability of pages and sites to move up in the rankings is influenced by the elements that are in here in a similar fashion.
So what really should SEOs do? What should we take away from this sort of debate and discussion and this testing of Google by removing links from their algorithmic signals and not liking those results? Well, in an ideal world, in a best-case scenario, as a marketer, the way that I believe we should be thinking about this is to invest in the marketing, in the tactics and channels that provide value in multiple ways.
By "multiple ways," I mean provide value in terms of branding; provide value in terms of direct traffic; provide value in terms of growing my social network; provide value in terms of growing my e-mail network, in terms of growing my influence and thought leadership in this sphere; all those kinds of things.
If I can get those multiple ways and still earn links? So content marketing is one that a lot of SEOs and marketers have been investing in because it does these things. Content marketing means that I get social shares. It means that I get more social followers. It means that I grow the people who pay attention to my brand and are aware of my brand. That content can also earn links, which helps me in the search engine rankings. That's the ideal world. There are many forms of this. Content marketing isn't the only one.
It can also be good, not quite as good, to refocus the energy that you might currently be expending on building all kinds of links and instead concentrate very carefully on the few links that really matter. As we've seen here, even for those who are arguing, "No, it's becoming less important," it's not becoming less important. Those folks are saying, "Hey, there are a lot of things getting filtered out, and it's harder and harder to earn the good editorial links." Focusing on getting those is still very valuable.
Do not do these things -- keep getting any and every link. We've talked about this many times on Whiteboard Friday. You guys are all familiar. Especially the non-editorial kind. It's too dangerous a world. If you're building a site that you want to last in the search engines for a long period of time, many months and years in the future, you can't afford to be actively, proactively going and getting non-editorial links.
Please, don't ignore the value that you get from activities that might not directly earn you a link -- things that could get you brand mentions and grow your brand, things that could build up your resource of content, things that could build up your social channels -- just because those things don't earn you a link.
A great example of this one is a lot of folks have been talking about guest posting. Of course, I did a Whiteboard Friday right before Google made their announcement about guest posting. Guest blogging, guest posting, in that classic SEO for a link fashion, is not a great idea. But it can still be a great channel to earn brand awareness and attention, to earn direct traffic. I mean, a lot of folks can post on forums, on sites that earn them an additional audience, and that additional audience in the future might turn into people who share and link and become customers. So that's a beautiful world. Don't ignore the value of that.
I'm sure there's going to be some great debate and discussion in the comments, and I really look forward to hearing from all of you. Take care. We'll see you again next week for another edition of Whiteboard Friday.
just one other comment - Matt cutts said that they didn't like the quality of search without links "for now"
Nice reading between the lines Larry. I'm still not convinced its the end for links though. Links show popularity and help establish the idea for authority. Of course, people misuse them but that's the reason Google send out penalties. Google didn't like the look of the algorithm without but i think they'll further their mission to rule out bad links rather than getting rid of them all completely.
Well interpreted! Just because they can't pull it off now, doesn't mean that it isn't the ultimate goal for them (and not something that they're still gonna work towards)...
Good point, but as Rand said, links look like they'll be a major ranking factor and authority signal for the next 5-10 years. While easy to manipulate in the past, it doesn't make sense that links wouldn't be a slice of the pie for years to come. If you like something on the web, you share that link by linking to it SOMEHOW… whether that's social, directly, via a web page is somewhat irrelevant. The fact that a user goes out of his/her way to share that URL is what counts.
Yes- the Cryptic Cutts strikes again ;)
It would be interesting to go back and look at everything that Cutts has said in the past and what phrases he used to describe the likelihood of future events and algo. changes. Phrases like: "might be the case," "it's going to happen," "maybe" and "for now" etc. and then see what the actual result was. For example, if historically every time he said "you might want to consider xyz" and then xyz happened the next week, but every time he said "you can count on xyz happening in the future" xyz never happened, we would have some visible trends.
With this information we may be able to create a Matt Cutts translation guide so we know what we really need to be paying attention to and what we can ignore :)
Right Larry, Because without quality links you can't rank on Google SERP, And Matt Cutts already said about they will accept quality link if we will get in natural way not in spammy ways.
Putting links first is completely backwards. It misses the whole point of linking which is to enrich the user experience. My only question is what took Google so long to really start cracking down on link quality? The fact that it was (and to some extent still is) so easy to manipulate a system built and maintained by a company with so much brain power and capital and used by millions of people daily is just crazy.
If you think of links like roads from one place on the digital highway to the next it is really easy to see the absurdity of a web that rewards low quality linking. If every time I got in my car and wanted to drive to a book store or record shop but instead I ended up at a PayDay Loans place, a Porn Shop, or an Overseas Discount Pharmacy I doubt I would bother trying to go anywhere after a short while because it's a worthless, broken system.
Links, in essence, are a means to create information structures across the web and direct users to relevant content. As Google's and other search engine's algorithms become more intelligent links in of themselves will cease to be as strong a ranking signal because they will have no merit unless they provide the user with additional value.
In short, links will always be important but are not a means to an end in of themselves. As Rand mentioned and has been discussed for some time, only links that drive traffic, increase positive branding through brand signals, social media and so on are worth pursuing- link building just for links is out, or will be soon anyway, so don't waste your time.
Thanks for the shout out and great summary Rand. I agree with your conclusions substantially. Great WBF!
Thanks Rand for the post and making this 'link building debate' alive again here. :)
I hope many of us would agree that Google is a link based search engine and still need links (one of its important metrics) for ranking a web page. But yes, what has changed over the last few years (especially after Panda and Penguin updates) that not every link is going to promote you/your business, on the contrary it can harm you if Google doesn't like it. This whole scenario has made people to look more seriously at their links (quality of link) and what they are building for their website.
Today, it's not about a 'do-follow' or 'no-follow' link, but it's more important to have authoritative and meaningful link for your business and audience. This reminds me of a great post written by Rob few days back on links - https://moz.com/blog/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-nofollow (for those who missed it) :)
Thanks
thats what we are talking about, last years i guess.Its getting more and more important to think about the quality and to think about links wich not only don't help your site - we have to think about links wich hurt our sites.
Maybe we have to think about links we build wich have potential to hurt our site in futur. Google is changing, we know that...
One SEO/Link builder who has always been way ahead of the game in terms of not buying into the no-follow/do-follow debate is Eric Ward. If you have not heard of him and I highly suggest you check out his blog and newsletter at: www.ericward.com
"Please, don't ignore the value that you get from activities that might not directly earn you a link -- things that could get you brand mentions and grow your brand, things that could build up your resource of content, things that could build up your social channels -- just because those things don't earn you a link."
Agreed! In my experience, when you stop looking for a link in everything you do you actually find more opportunities. Getting interviewed, for instance, might get you one or two links but it also gives you a huge amount of social exposure and builds your credibility. Those links are great but there is so much more value to be had.
Hey Rand,
Where has there been mention of Google testing their algorithms without links? I can't seem to find any mentions online.
Regards,
Vahe
Hey Vahe,
Here is the link to Barry's post talking about the same - https://www.seroundtable.com/google-backlinks-algorithm-worse-18142.html
And YouTube's link of Matt's video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCY30WhI2og
Hope it will help. :)
Thanks
Thanks! Was just about to link over to that :-)
I guess I was quick to reply. :)
Thanks for the links Praveen and thanks for the quick response Rand!
Wonderful post Rand, I think Rand you already read Danny Sullivan comment on Matt Cutts Guest Posting blog post, So I think the final conclusion is that without quality link nothing is possible.
Praveen, you provided very helpful video of Matt. Numbers of interesting views are also discussing on that video to learn more on same.
Thanks Parveen Sharma to remind us these links.
Yousuf
Matt Cutts was aksed about that two weeks ago i guess, he told that in a video, i have some german sources ;)
Matt Cuts has a video out there, said they did try that at one time. But didn't like the results....
Nice video. But I really think links still have a lot of value and will have a lot of value. It is just that Google is getting better in detecting artificial links. So gaming the system is no longer an option at least not if you want to have long term success.
Go White Hat!
I agree with Greg in some respects - the Google Effect is instilling fear in marketers, rather than giving a solid guideline on what to do. Even the webmaster guidelines are vague to the point of being obtuse.
Thanks Rand, thoughtful insight in to the link world according to Google (or not). For people like me who are running a business on line and working at their own SEO, this type of article is extremely useful in giving us an overall steer...back to my link work!
Thanks for the mention rand!
Great post Rand.
Google have indicated that they tested their algorithm without links and they didn't like the results. This in turn tells me that links are still the primary ranking factor - albeit quality over quantity. However, by them taking the time and the considerable expense to test their algorithm and discounting links as signals, this is a strong indication of their mindset. It certainly suggests that over time, they may move away from a link based algorithm, but certainly not in the foreseeable future - as you say 5-10 years. What it also indicates, is that the other signals they currently use (in addition to links) are unreliable, again this adds further weight to suggesting that links are the primary force in rankings. If you look at all the algorithm tweaks that Google have conducted over the past few years, most of them have targeted links. Low quality, exact match keyword etc. So although on one hand we have seen the value of links being reduced, on the other we have seen the value of links becoming stronger - just the right kind of links.
If links were playing a smaller role in rankings, then of course there would be no need to implement regular algorithm updates or harsh penalties. I take such measures as a strong signal from Google that they still rely heavily on links - but just the right kind of links. The introduction of the Disavow tool is another example.
I'm not going to disagree with your pie chart model / olympic ice skating example - but there could be another way of looking at this:
It could be that links account for 75% of the algorithm and 25% other elements. As more and more other elements (for example a new social platform) come to fruition, they simply replace outgoing social platforms, but the percentage does not change. The same could apply for links. As the value of certain kinds and types of links diminishes, this then places a stronger emphasis on more positive types of links - but it still accounts for 75% of the total equation.
Either way, both examples focus on having the correct elements.
I couldn't agree more. My take was that if Google went to the trouble of testing this, it means that it is something they are working toward - an algorithm where links are devalued or even unimportant. It's why so much effort has gone into semantic search and more than likely why they really copied entire libraries of books (a great database of word relationships, don't you think?)
Nobody can argue that links aren't important in the current scenario - especially quality editorial ones. Those days are clearly numbered, though, and not without good reason. Even editorial links are prone to manipulation. What some may see as relationship building to earn good links, others may see as a very loose and informal link network - even if it was never intended as such.
I'm not all too sure how Rand arrives at the seemingly arbitrary 5-10 year prediction on when they will lose their value, but it WILL happen. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see searcher interactions with websites (CTR, bounce rate, time on page, clicks to other pages of a website and maybe even user actions like Add to Cart or Checkout) playing a far larger role in future algorithms than they do now. That's what I would consider important if I were in charge of algorithms!
Great info here, especially on guest posting not for the sake of a link but for the sake of the brand. That was my initial reasoning with contributing to YouMoz. It means a lot more to be able to say to our clients, prospects, social followers, etc. that Moz found our contribution valuable.
Sorry, Rand, but I'll have to disagree with your mathematical reasoning. Adding new ranking signals does not necessarily diminish the value of links. Let's say theoretically that Google places 50% value on link-based signals and 50% value on non-linked-based signals. Now let's say that Google decides there are a handful of non-link-based signals that they want to implement in the algorithm. They can do so without affecting the emphasis on link-based signals. This would only be necessarily true if Google put equal weight on each individual ranking signal, which I highly doubt that they do.
beat me to it!
Rand - marketing Ninja !! Links - are not that worthy now a days. But still quality links are valued from aged domains.
Not all links are created equally. It's about quality over quantity and I think that, along with other signals, is what is become more important. As Rand points out, your end goal shouldn't just be about link as there are many other benefits to be considered.
I am some what disagree to this - Links are always valuable if they are coming from niche and quality websites. It is simple now a days to build links links your all social networks in each account. Grow more make more connection - I Links are important just you have to think different :)
Greetings, Thanks for sharing this great information.
my blog blog4all-com.blogspot.com used to rank one hundred plus in world ranking, but now the blog is ranking a million plus. i have done all i could but not working out any more for me, please advice.
thanks
looking forward to hearing from you
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You'll want to make sure that your site is mainly original content, and not content copied from other sources. The Beginner's Guide to SEO at https://moz.com/learn/seo is a good place to start.
Great post Rand...but guest posting should be for brand promotion as all are familiar that so many channels had been penalized by google...
I think that the links now is important, but we need understand that there are many forms to get links, is possible that this links aren't only links, but connections
These connections will be the most factor important in the future.
Links are always important as it indicates the signal of trust of interlinked website. I think Ir-relevant links are losing their value to build up the trust of a website to rank in top on SERP. BTW, great topic Rand, and great debate continue in flow :)
I think that Google will use Google+ factors. Backlinks in communities, number of followers, content shared, and others.Focus on Quality link Building not with Quantity Link Building.
SEO world is getting tougher and challenging for the online marketing professionals.SEOs will have to expand their roles in order to have a greater impact.Thanks for sharing this very useful information Rand.
I believe that we will observe quite a few big algorithm changes in the next 3 years and the "mobile" way of thinking will eventually blend with the social and behavioral metrics resulting a brand new ranking system...
I think your approach is very real for success brand's
good job Rand
Well for now its sure that Google will not exclude Links from the ranking graphs as already depicted earlier that the search quality was influenced.We all know from the years that the Google core algorithm is totally based on the Links and now its confirmed from the post that Links are still going to be worthy for the SEOs in coming 5 to 10 years.
Thanks Rand
Ob a personal note i have had some real good experience of getting links and improving ranking. Unfotunately i cannot say how long it will stick. Getting links was one of the toughest (and probably is still) things i could do. Everyone tells about press releases and i got one done. The amount of time to get a perfect press release aside, the number of links coming to the website itself was of not much value. The same content posted on 1000's of website is equivalent to one link and only one. So press release was a fail.
Basically Everything you say makes sense Rand and i can relate it to some place or the other in my experience. Well thought of article and i did learn a few things and most importantly, you put some of my doubts regarding links to rest. Thanks for the awesome Post
great WBF, I also watched the video released recently by Matt Cutts about the decay of guest blogging too, not long before we see some dramatic changes to google search not unlike 2013...interesting times.
Hey Rand,
Again a great WBF, but curious to know that if it does happen, what will happen to the existing search results because Google is keen to improve the search results, by that time, what do you think that the existing search results would be impacted? Doesn’t make sense actually that we had some search results as of importance because the algorithm was based on links & those search results might be no longer valued because at that time we may have a algorithm that doesn’t look at links?
I don't know if I can take Rand serious with that stache :)
Rand, I could not agree more with this video. We are and have been for some time now focused on earning editorial links. I believe these will continue to move the needle and agree with the first argument that they will become more important not less.
The Part where Rand is mentioning the Links may have a more important role to play because is harder to get them makes perfect sense.
I look at it from the point of view of investment (even if investment is time)
Just to hit +1 or like takes milliseconds
a comment may take up to a few minutes (provided is a discussion and just a few words)
a share is Like+comment+ will spread the word to my network (which took time to build).
if i follow this line of thought
an article which may take a few hours to build + pictures, tables and other added resources to it. Is a very valuable investment on the part of the author, which is Linking to you because it has found value in your content to be worthy of mentioning and used on their site. Which is likely to be promoted, discussed and so on.
I tell our clients that the link building landscape is both a gold mine and a landmine all at the same time. I do subscribe to the idea that Rand presents in that as links become more risky the good links actually become more valuable.
hmm
Yeah - great research Rand Fish.
Losing links is really a major points in market.
good transcription.
Even though some people are saying that Google cannot take out links as a factor from its algorithm I think this could become reality if people continously find new ways to spoof the system. I feel that Google will never be able find out for sure (apart from some cases) which link is natural and which is not and when things go out of hand they will bring out a major algorithm update which will just take out links as a ranking factor. I think the real question should be
Which factor would Google give imporance to when they remove links as a ranking factor
Thanks for sharing such a great content and value of links
Great Article
Like always, you did a great job Rand. The thing is that we should understand things not just as webmaster/site owner but as normal people, and search engine. What a low PR link would matter to you? Nothing, I believe. So how SE will value you on it. A lot of people say that SEO is dead now. It is not. actually. Build links, but quality one. It will give you everything. I heard Matt a couple of times saying, do something to add value.
I enjoyed this quite a bit. In the future I see Google increasing the value of link relevancy.
Google now is unpredictable look what they do to MBG. They penalized it. Without even informing or giving warning. Generating links through guest blog. :(
Image of Tweet of Matt Cutts about Guest Blog Posting
"it says that when we take action on spammy link network, it can include blog hosting guest posts, site benefiting from LINKS, etc."
More at
https://searchengineland.com/googles-matt-cutts-implies-myblogguest-publishers-will-receive-penalties-many-begin-receiving-manual-action-notifications-187122
I would call engagement instead of link building.. How effective you can engage with user play most important role. The idle links are no use...
This all has to do with quality. If you or your company are looking for a short cut by buying links, you will fail. Maybe not today or tomorrow, but you will get hit. Count on it. If you are looking for a local SEO, I may have someone in your area that can help.
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Still talking about links in 2014 eh? Wow I have been at this since 1995 and I must say things have not changed much if you are doing things correctly. Oh yea there are changes which are needed to combat spam and black hat stuff but if your if your keeping your brand honest and your visitors engaged you have a very good chance of being successful.
So can someone point me to a good "mentions" ROI formula. What is a mention worth? Can you track the mention through the buying cycle? How many mentions does it take to get a sale?
Quality sites link to quality sites Crappy spammy sites link to other crappy spammy sites (may be a little presumptuous) pretty easy to understand.
Good video keep mustache
Good links are good and bad links are just not helpful "anymore" Google really does not have a choice about counting links as part of the Algo. It was a good choice at the start of G and is still a good choice today, as they found out.
Peace out my little SEMers
I think not only are they losing some value, more of them are not counting. Links are getting attacked on two fronts.
For a higher level perspective, take a look at the speed of innovation. You will soon see that backlinks are slow moving dinosaurs. The search engines will have to capture real-time data in the form of IM’s from Twitter, WhatsApp, LINE, Café and a host of others. Facebook and Google + will not be fast enough. A perfect example of this new speed is when Ellen Degeneres tweeted a group photo of well-known actors during the Oscars. The media outlets and frankly, Google were very slow to respond even though, at the time this caused delays on Twitter and set a new tweet record. That one event was a glimpse of future needed speed.
The dominate search engine in Russia -Yandex has also stated that they will be off backlinks in 18 months. The people at Yandex are pretty sharp.
https://www.russiansearchtips.com/2014/02/update-yandex-tells-when-seo-links-will-be-dead/
Could you give some other examples of the ideal way to earn good links on the long term other than content marketing?
Are business listings/citation links losing some value?
I have been a regular visitor to this blog but, Its my first comment over here...
I think the no follow thing you said may me true in future. You can't just say no bank links because of their actual function of to reference to other sites from one site. But Google do have the potential to think ahead of back links for search rankings. They come out with an algorithm without back links may be in 5-10 years (i believe its 3-5) all links will become no follow.
Another thing that is to be expected Page rank concept. I think Google is going to revoke the PR concept and replace it with something less based on back links, for example Domain authority or something even better.
Awesome Rand thanks the way you describe the exact things !! every webmaster should aware of this video a lot.
Brand awareness is more important factor now a days. we should not ignore the things. But one point is make sure without link we can't connect the world. as far as my concern Google always revealed out double minded things . which is impacted to all webmaster and website owners. I must say one thing "Relevancy" is the key point , we definitely sustain long while.
How dramatic are business listings / citation links losing their value?
Great! Again I stay with the same opinion: The ideal is use links to help the users getting more information from an article, I mean, to complete an article. And never (NEVER!) just put a link for no reason.
If we use the tools focusing the objective they were made for, we'll never be punished by Google.
Every friday I learn this lesson. Just do it well done and you'll be rewared.!
Thanks for doing this post Rand - has really cleared up some issues about link building and content creation.
However, Google could be gone in 10 years time so jumping through their hoops could be a complete waste of time.
Maybe Google would like to get rid of organic traffic altogether!
Nice video Rand. About the above discussions, that Matt says they didn't like the results "for now", I think it refers to the fact that they would like to shift the perspective how adding links is easy and has become in many cases a spammy practice. I do agree that it's going to take years to take them completely out of the algorithm.
A year or so ago this was inconceivable, but as content is becoming more and more of a determining factor in ranking, I would say links will lose their relevance long before the 10 years that Rand says they will.
@Rand
Do you think it would be possible to upload the WBF photo's in high res?
I'd love a copy of them, but the current resolution means they get a bit fuzzy.
Cheers,
Blog & Website webmasters are becoming too aware that we contact them (regardless of whether we have awesome content or not) with the intention of getting a link, and more and more webmasters are realising that search marketers are 'happy' to pay for the link.
I have a question, lets call it "The Comment Question of the Day".
How do you and your team make first contact with blogs & websites, whilst seaming completely natural, so that it doesn't look like you are just trying to get a link?
I have several methods, some work more than others.
how about you go first?
Well You don't make any contact, You just produce unique, high quality content and ... they will come asking/sharing for content.
Cornel :)
No they wont if they never see it- How do you get them to see it?
No they won't. What you're describing is called "post n pray" and it doesn't work, ever. People will never find your content if you don't do anything to promote it.
Cornel was joking...
If you're conducting outreach on behalf of a client, make sure to use an email address attached to their domain (e.g. if their domain is joebloggswidgets.com, ask to use [email protected]). Comes across as more authentic, plus I made the stupid mistake of getting in touch with someone once with my SEO company email, to which they replied: "oh, you're an SEO? In that case there's a fee..."
I also do this but i just heard a talk from will Reynolds from seer where he says be authentic and use the real one instead. I guess it depend how your real one comes accross
Hi David, what do you mean by "use the real one" - could you please clarify? Or perhaps pass on the link where Wil said this? Thanks :-)
As far as the link is concerned, it still matters a lot whether it is relevant or authoritative. But, recently I have acquired a link from one of the good sites and this results into a good improvement in ranking.
Great Guide i must say. What other ways can we use to obtain really good quality links?
It would be my pleasure if you share some out of the box tips on internet marketing as well.
Thanks in advance :)
Excellent points Rand and am totally digging the stache and beard style especially the shot in the video thumb :)
Your are spot on in (IMHO) that editorial links from high authority sites will be relevant and maybe even increase in importance to Google as other links get devalued or filtered all together and well worth the focus to earn.
Totally agree on the point about guest posting being valuable as a marketing tactic if done for all the rights reasons, with link building not the primary reason. The key to success with guest blogging is super high quality posts, on a topic highly relevant to the audience published on a credible site with industry recognition and authority (e.g. for Internet marketing niche, blogs like YouMoz, Social Media Today, Search Engine Journal). Just read a great post on the topic that provides some great guest blogging tips https://multiplestreams.org/guest-blogging-guide/ (not my own ;-)
I love your statements +Rand as link building in the old fashion way is dead but we're just back to the origin, where linking was a vote. Yes I agree totally that link building will be around for some years at least but the KPI would change from PageRank, DA PA to referral traffic driven, brand exposure benefits... Yes it's hard and that's why Google rely on those signals. Social graph, Semantic graph.. they are just so easy to fake indeed.
Fantastic post, Rand. It will definitely serve up some interesting conversations, as this topic typically has SEO's firmly planted on both sides. I think you made a very good point at the end of the video - no matter what the outcome of links in the algorithm, you should always work towards providing value in multiple ways. That, in my opinion, will never go out of style.
Speaking of style, your watch face matched the color of your shirt in the video. I'm going to assume that was planned!
Have a great weekend, everyone!
Didn't manage to read all the comments but I have not noticed something very important Matt addressed: all social and UX signals are going to be used to validate the link quality.
So going from getting links to getting traffic from social, brand etc.
Hello Rand, thanks for the round up, one question is what would you say are the other major channels apart from content marketiong that one would look at for brand awareness?
Hey vkara,
By assuming that with content marketing you mean writing and sharing blogs - articles, I would suggest you should take help of social media platforms for brand awareness. Improve your social presence by engaging with your consumers/customers and community members. Be a part of some niche discussion or start a new one. Surely it's not going to give you success overnight, but slowly will boost your presence in your niche market.
And if money is not an issue for you, then TV commercials are best way to spread awareness about your brand. :)
Hope this would help you in some way.
Thanks
Very timely post. Although it may seem (and this is only perception) that links are losing value, I agree with your point that QUALITY links are increasing in value. Good content that is well marketed will gain editorial links from credible sources.
Couldn't agree with you more. More and more people are realising that links are becoming harder to get; some search marketers are using this as an excuse to lapse and settle for less than profitable links from de-indexed or otherwise irrelevant sites.
On one hand this is good, because it paves a clear(er) path for us to try and get the decent links whilst everyone else is scrambling over the poor quality links.
Great Stuff Rand... I am relieved to a certain extent to hear that.. And I also agree with you that links are not going anywhere in next 5 years or so
Building specific nature of links or one type of link could be a threat for future...so better to go with first option that is "variety of natural link resources".
What do people do, they select one URL for specified keyword and start building same type of links on the same URL, SEO has changed a lot and people should understand this.
Well guided ...thanks @rand.
Today, we are not targeting a one, two or three words keywords, targeting only long tail keywords. as hamming bird algo. then how we satisfied to our client. !!!! then how build a link. long tail keyword or two or three words keywords.
Hi Rand, another excellent WBF, its certainly getting harder and harder to obtain good quality links, and you're certainly correct that most web-masters have been put-off linking out.
I just wrote about this in my blog :) nice video, well done! Thanks for sharing
Was going to have a read, but I don't speak Italian. :(
How about now?
Thanks for your stuff Rand. Actually its a great relief.
Thanks for continuing the conversation, Rand.
In your WBF, you discuss only going after the few quality links versus everything under the sun. Can you be more specific? For content marketers, this may be fairly straightforward. However, my company focuses mainly on lead gen with the focus toward bringing people physically into our 900 store locations across the country. Therefore, directory listings with individual location links help to serve that purpose best. I know that directory listings are not considered great quality anymore.
The websites I have been tasked to maintain for search results read very much like brochures for our programs and services, versus topical and shareable well constructed content (videos, infographics, articles, etc).
Without the ability to inject new content (company policy), how do you suggest going about link earning as a form of lead gen for a network of physical store locations?
Anyone can answer!
"Don't ignore the value that you get from activities that might not directly earn you a link -- things that could get you brand mentions and grow your brand...."
Absolutely right! So many people forget about the value of things you can't immediately track. Many of those things are simple human-to-human interactions, whether it's online or not. Those relationships and the interactivity involved in it all do wonders for anyone's brand.
Thanks for mentioning that, Rand! The SEO world must not lose that understanding.
100% Agree. Links may even be more important today then every before.
It is just not the quantity that matters, but "quality" and "relevance" of the link that matters most of all.
It would seem that links are now the most valuable piece of the pie. If links were losing their strength , why would Google go on a Crusade around the world to squash these link networks. It seems to me that they are trying to protect the integrity of their ranking system.
Bottom line "feed the beast" (google) , with awesome content links will come hope the ones that do are good ... thanks for the WBF as always ....
Interesting Video, What is more interesting the topic is gona get more deep soon. Many are going to have nightmares linkbuilders :) Well its a challenge for every SEO guy who would be digging new authority or trusted links.
But what I find is something different. Google is behind spam so it can be like keyword spam, duplicate spam, article spam, guest spam and now link spam. So they are actually progressing, trying the best to filter out and get the best results. Interesting part is that, team of Google thought to remove the Backlink profiles completely, but they say the results are too bad, which they knew before. Basically they will come out with a solution in just 5 yrs where link's will matter less, what matters will be the direct approach. One thing i can say for sure, content marketing is gona stay for long long time!
Ultimately, links can be gamed. While this is the case, people will buy, beg, steal, scrape and do whatever it takes to get that all-important top spot, forever chasing the algo tail and this months "10 killer ways to gain links while filing your nails or taking a power-nap".
What can't be gamed is carefully-written content that speaks directly to it's target audience, entices comments and lively discussion and is shared by real people.
Will spammers have the time, innovation and patience to find out what a target audience really wants help with (persona's) and write it? Or spend money to get a consultant to research their online or offline market-place? Or listen to a community? Engage and contribute? Make mistakes, be transparent and show a "human" side? Nope..
This is why I believe Hummingbird was released: to test responses of complex queries and explicit intent searches to "best-match" indexed content. If Google increases site visits, interactions and overall "stickiness" to authority sites, that's a strong way of proving (or disproving) search to content "match-ability".
It's also the reason why the shift from "strings" to "concepts" was such a huge step by Google: to find stronger ways of matching intent to exceptional user experience and content expertise. It's far harder to game continual engagement between entities, sharing of content via social and multiple platform "connections".
Sure, links won't disappear from the radar as those sourced from known leaders or authorities in their field (.gov or .edu anyone?) should always remain proof of authority, but I expect to see: entities -> authorship / active online profile -> content -> interaction / discussion -> shares / votes used as proof of strong foundations, with authority links adding a 2nd layer of proof and not the first.
If links are to remain the foundation, why transition from strings to concepts, study complex queries, use natural language processing and introduce recent "above the fold" algo updates?
Great post again Rand.
I agree, links will certainly be around for years to come. It has been a matter of time and certainly a logical approach from Google to de-value or penalise links deemed "acquired". The growth of content marketing in recent years provides a solid base for good "editorial" links to stick around for sometime. But as you again clearly put Rand, it's not the end of the world if you don't achieve a link. Content marketing has a whole load of other positive contributions.
Ironically i actually recently ranked Moz as my best blog site for 2014, as a means of debating and educating us all regarding issues like this.
Gary
At the rate that great content is taking prominence, I'd say links will lose their relevance at some point, and it's not in 10 years. I say sooner. Hell 10 years ago only those of us with some connection to Harvard knew about Facebook. The world is changing faster and markets are getting smarter faster. Whose to say that the social community you built around your brand will not be a determining factor in Google ranking a month from now.
Google's mustache algorithm must be off the charts!
We seem to see social media as something other than links. Social Media shares, likes, recommends, followers are also just links. So fundamental to ranking is links, no matter where they come from.
It all comes down to RCS. If getting links is part of your business model, then great. If you could care less about them, then great.
I haven't been concerning myself with links for a while now and I have seen no drop in ranking for the clients we manage.
Another great post Rand :-)
I'm on both sides of the discussion but have a preference for the no side because I believe in good conten(marketing) strategy that automatically give you the links, pings and social shares(links) that Google likes to see.
Since Google has spent more than a decade developing link authority algos it makes sense they couldn't easily part ways with links. Links can be manipulated. But social signals can be easily manipulated. Links will be around, but adding additional signals makes it more difficult to manipulate rankings with lonely links. I believe social/content signals are used to filter link value. Content that earns great editorial links also does well socially in most cases. Interesting debate.
Good point Nick S.
I agree that we will ALWAYS see links being apart of Google search. Google has invested SO much into link signals that it will always be an element... Look at social sharing signals, they are links that definitely carry weight. The quality on the link is what matter vs the sheer quantity.
Good one Rand,
But, I'm still confused that the links could not matter to search ranking though the links are from niche community.
Great White board Friday on a hot topic. In my opinion Links will always stay a part of Google Ranking factors because it is an important ranking factor and help Google calculating domain or page authority. Links value may decrease in future but it will not go out totally from Google ranking factors. For example if links are 40% part of Google ranking factors than in future it may goes down to 30% or 20% but it will never be ignored by Google.
Very Interesting! Looking forward to see more from your post.
When I saw Matt Cutt's video last week, I thought it was pretty brave of him - but the overall message was what we knew along. Links are important, and do hold value. Really like the video, and the ideal link building strategy of an actual marketing campaign, rather than link building for the sake of it. It's all about the user. Great video.
Great vid, Rand. Funny to hear Google's experiment didn't quite work as they hoped.
Dear oh dear.
I can barely concentrate on this video. The moustache has got to go Rand. It's too hilarious. hahahahaha :)
No, I'd say Google is losing value.
I don't know about you, but I'm tired of the king on the mountain telling me what I can and can't do. I'm tired of this monolith staring down on me as if it knows me, cares about me, or can possibly even help me. And most of all I'm tired of others skipping and jumping to Google's whims, telling me what I need to do differently, what I need to change, who I need to be.
Go blow it out your ass. Instead of acting, we're constantly reacting. Instead of thinking with a level-head we're thinking with a chicken head. When will we stop running around braying nonsense?
We all know that quality content that our users find useful is all that matters.
There, one sentence. But we can't write a blog post or do a video about that one sentence, now can we? So you have the same fluff over and over again.
Have fun being scared folks.
Good stuff