Let me just preface this post by saying that I hate management books, business theory books, success coaching and nearly everything that starts with the phrase "The XYZ Habits of Highly Effective..." That said, I got so many recommendations to read Jim Collins' book, Good to Great, that I couldn't resist. In particular, two people that I trust intensely - Gillian and Avinash Kaushik - said that they too, had a distaste for management theory diatribes, but loved this one. And now that I've finished it, I find myself thinking about it almost daily.
Good to Great: Why Some Companies Make the Leap... and Others Don't
To me, the compelling part isn't the advice, but the research itself. Collins and Co. started with 1400+ companies, whittled them down to a list of only 11 "great" companies, based on long term financial performance in the American stock markets. The research team Collins assembled basically looked at this equation:
Good Company + X = Great Company
The chapters of the book detail their attempts to solve for "X." I've tried to paraphrase their 6 primary points below:
- Level 5 Leadership - the leaders at each of the "great" companies, when compared to leaders at merely "good" (or not so good) companies each had unexpected traits. These included humility + will, ambition for the company (rather than themselves as individuals), compelling modesty, strong resolve to confront tough problems and make hard decisions, and, finally, a consistency in praising others for the company's successes and blaming themselves for its failures.
- First Who, Then What - Although hiring great people may seem like a natural move, the book actually detailed a remarkably unique process. The "great" companies all appeared to hire "great" people without specific roles. That is, they did not create positions, then fill them, they found great people and asked them to stumble around the organization until they found the best use of their skills.
- Confronting Brutal Facts - Each of the "great" companies faced serious challenges and threats, and when compared to the "not-so-great" companies, they used a completely different approach to the harsh realities of their market. Lofty ideals were replaced by hard statistics and "bullshit" (to use the phrase I could feel Collins was dying to employ) was outlawed. Managers didn't inflate numbers, employees didn't boast, and the top brass was always extremely well informed about the exact predicament of their large organizations. Despite this, however, Collins noted that all of these companies faced these "brutal facts" with nearly unwavering faith.
- The Hedgehog Concept - Perhaps the most important guiding principal, the hedgehog concept was used by every one of the businesses to find their area of focus and apply a laser-beam like precision to their goals. They ignored what other companies might see as exceptional opportunities because these projects did not fit with the one thing they did best. Although some of the "great" companies stumbled, each was able to find a single competency that defined them and refine it over time to produce extraordinary results.
- A Culture of Discipline - The devotion of employees, from executives to middle management to entry-level people at each of the "great" companies epitomized their success. This was not just about great hiring, but about producing motivated, committed people who cared not just for their paycheck, but for the success of the company as a whole. The stories in this chapter comparing workers and managers from "great" and "not-so-great" companies is remarkable - the great companies always found ways to build inspirational cultures, where oversight , despite being rigid, became merely a formality as every person in the organization exceeded expectations on a regular basis.
- The Flywheel - One of the more difficult to describe elements of "greatness," the Flywheel nevertheless appeared in each of the "great" companies. The analogy is of a "massive metal flywheel, mounted horizontally on an axle..." being pushed, slowly, ever faster towards an eventual point when momentum makes up the bulk of the work. I think Collins best described it here:
...Then it began to dawn on us: There was no miracle moment. Although it may have looked like a single-stroke breakthrough to those peering in from the outside, it was anything but that to people experiencing the transformation from within. Rather, it was a quiet, deliberate process of figuring out what needed to be done to create the best future results and then simply taking those steps, one after the other, turn by turn of the flywheel.
Obviously, the book does a far better job of explaining the research and providing examples than I have here, but these are the basics. To follow in the path of greatness, a business should consider taking these findings to heart.
When I first finished the book, I admit that I still had trouble thinking about how to apply many of the lessons to a company like SEOmoz - with our 7-person team and eclectic industry focus, we would seem to be a far cry from the Krogers, Circuit Citys, Walmarts, and Fannie Maes of the world. But, I did something I rarely ever do - I went back and re-read. I think I've probably read each chapter at least twice in the past 75 days. And, finally, it started to sink in. I wanted to apply these lessons and ask these tough questions about SEOmoz.
So, in typical "share-way-way-way-too-much," SEOmoz fashion, here's what I came up with. It's not the be-all, end-all of a company evaluation, but maybe it's a start and hopefully, it's something you'll find applicable to your own work.
Does SEOmoz Have Level 5 Leadership?
No. I think we have half the equation right with Gillian, my mom, who co-founded the company and devotes endless hours of effort on everything from customer service to financial management to strategic direction. However, I know that I, myself, am almost an anti-hero here, embodying qualities that are at complete odds with Level 5 leadership. I have far too much pride embedded in our work, and probably, if anything, hurt the company reputation by, at times, overshadowing it with personality. Working on that is going to be very hard, and it may not even be possible. It may be that at some point in the future, SEOmoz will need a different CEO and I'll be relegated to the role of evangelist. Or, in a more hopeful future, Gillian can continue to steer us in the right direction, while I work hard to curtail my anti-Level 5 attributes and become the leader the company needs.
Do We Have the Right People in the Right Seats?
Maybe. We've struggled to put people in the right seats - particularly with Scott, when he first joined us. He was clearly a "right person," but it took us many months to find the "right seat" for him. Currently he's doing business development and I think it's a role he was born to fulfill, but time will tell. Rebecca, too, has struggled recently with her position and she and I have tried to talk about her ideal role. I hope that she, too, will find the right seat, soon - currently she has such a hodgepodge of tasks, she's more like our go-to person for those "Help! I need someone competent to pick up the pieces" situations, in addition to blogging, managing the UGC on SEOmoz, and being a public face for the company. Jane, Jeff, Mel, Gillian & myself are more defined and more comfortable in our roles (I think), but we may struggle and stumble more before we find the perfect places.
Do We Confront the Brutal Facts?
Not really... I think? I'm not sure what the "brutal facts" are for us. Perhaps we haven't yet encountered our big challenges (at least, in our current form). It may be the limited size of the search marketing industry and the fact that our current crop of ~47,000 members (registered, not premium) is near the limit of the industry's size (and we'll need to explore new avenues to reach new people). It could be competing products and services - there's at least a couple launching in the next few months. It might even be a massive shift in the operations of search engines or a change in how people use the web that forces us to change direction. This is the toughest one for me to answer.
What is Our Hedgehog Concept?
Premium content. Seriously - we love to create guides, answer questions, build valuable tools, provide resources, and help make search marketers better at their jobs, and that's what we're going to be spending 95% of our energy on for the foreseeable future. It took us a long, long time to find this niche (Gillian founded her first marketing firm back in 1981 and SEOmoz has formally been around since 2003), but I really believe we're on the right path at last.
Have We Created a Culture of Discipline?
I think so. The people who work at SEOmoz email each other late at night, delete spam from the blog whenever they see it, share a culture of passion for the subject matter and the brand, represent us well publicly, and have exceptional commitment (as epitomized by Rebecca's ceaseless declining of better-paying jobs elsewhere). We probably have more work to do here, but we're going to keep at it, and I think that if we can maintain our commitment and our passion, we'll be in good shape for the long run.
Are We Turning the Flywheel?
Yeah - I think we are. Every week or two, we launch something new in premium content, whether it's partnerships with companies to provide discounts to our members or a list of valuable link sources or new tools and services, it's my feeling that there hasn't been a "breakthrough" moment for us and there isn't likely to be one - we just keep growing by a few new members every day and a few new services each month. Maybe in some far distant point, when we hit 5,000 or 10,000 members, someone externally will point back to an event (like the funding) to say "That was the breakthrough." But, for all of us on the inside, it just feels like we're doing our job - grinding out content and tools and services and making a better and better product.
Overall, we're probably at about a C or C+ in our Good to Great grade, but we're still small, still nimble, and we've got time on our side and a big boost from the overall positive growth of search marketing. At least we're firing on some of the cylinders
So, now that we've completed that exercise, I want to ask if others in the search community would be willing to do the same thing - talk about their companies and how they might fit in with the principles of Good to Great. I'll ask a few people in particular who I'd personally be fascinated to hear from:
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Kristopher Jones of Pepperjam Search
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Ken Jurina of Epiar
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Bruce Clay of Bruce Clay, Inc.
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Dave Naylor of Bronco
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Anyone & everyone else in the industry who has the time/energy to devote to this (and yes, I'll definitely link to it if you write it)
Obviously, this is a big, big favor to ask, but hopefully it's an exercise that will be as valuable to you as it will to the community at large (and my own rabid curiosity). Also - for everyone - Collins put together a terrific questionnaire/quiz on his site that helps to determine if your company fits the Good to Great principals (the only downside is that it's PDF).
One last thing - Andy Beard recently pointed out that I often forget to link to alternative points of view (an excellent critique). For a much less positive (but well-written and engaging) perspective on Good to Great and the ideas within, read Why Good to Great Isn't Very Good from BusinessPundit.
BTW - One company in the search space really struck me as hitting on all cylinders with this methodology and getting fantastic returns as a result...
UPDATE FROM RAND: OK - I figured everyone would know I was talking about Google - who has something close to Level 5 leadership (at least, they appear to from the outside), brings in great people and lets them stumble around until they find the right home, confronted the brutal fact that they had no revenue model and faced up to it early in their growth, has a relatively strong hedgehog concept (search - although 20% time and other projects have shown they make mistakes here, too), has a fantastic culture of discipline - employees are so dedicated, it's almost scary, and certainly turn the flywheel with every update - making search a better experience for users and gaining ground in market share almost every quarter.
I've noticed over the years that sometimes the right tactic or management technique is different depending on where you are at the time. There is no "one size fits all" answer do dealing with people and the companies they create.
For example, a new employee usually needs far more oversight and direction than someone who has been with the company for a long time and is an expert at their job. A new employee usually needs followup on a scale that would make the experienced employee quit in frustration over being "micromanaged", whereas treating the new employee the same way you treat your log term experts is likely to overload them and have then complaining about "not being trained well, and management is not available, etc".
Traditional business advice for building a good company is to not hire for personality, but for position. This is because if you design your company or position around one person and they quit/get fired/bored/etc then you are screwed. Likewise, they end up being stuck in that position forever because there really isn't a way to train someone to replace them. Their skills have made them slaves to a position designed exactly for those skills.
It strikes me that you need to hire for position to get a company to "Good". Standards, checklists, assigned duties, etc. Then, once you get to that point and, as you say, the flywheel is spinning, then you can take the next step and start making the company "Great" by leveraging your best and brightest.
It also strikes me that perhaps trying to start off by using the methods you described in the book is probably a bad idea, but using them later is necessary. Basically, two different leadership methods for two different phases of a companies development.
This implies that you should hire people for a position, but to also make sure that they are talented enough that when it comes time to go from Good to Great, that the have the ability to do so.
Just thinking out loud,
Ian
You hire for personality every time. At every level. At every stage. In every business climate. In every economy.
Things can be taught. The nature of a person cannot be changed. I had a friend who said, "Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It doesn't work and it annoys the pig."
BIG thumbs up to that. My feelings exactly.
One of the problems I have with my current employers is that they are so hellbent on focusing on the processes of the company that they have forgotten the importance of hiring smart, creative people.
For example, during a discussion recently about whether we should focus on outlining the process for SEM or on hiring and training smart employees (personally I think we need some from both columns A and B), my employer used the example of McDonald's as the model to be emulated. McDonald's got to be McDonald's, he says, by focusing entirely on the process.
I think he'd be spot-on if we were talking about cheeseburgers.
McDonalds is in the business of real estate. The processes they have beyond that are designed to keep people busy and ask few questions.
Absolutely and utterly. A creative thinker can work lateraly and move in any direction at any time - in todays super dynamic world, such are the people that are necessary to think outside set parameters - copnversely, we do need those who will tighten processes and stick to regulations - but the former can learn to be the latter, the vice versa is rare...
Now I see where Rand get's it.
Right on.
I used to say I could teach a drugged monkey to do this. Then I hired my Brother. Now I say I could teach a monkey to do this ;p
If they have the right attitude and ambition, I'll at least give them a shot.
Don't be coy Rand - who?
2nded. "share-way-way-way-too-much" should be changed to "share-way-way-way-too-much, then leave mysterious cryptic messages at the bottom of blog posts".... ;-)
edit: Oh, and nice post by the way. I think Will in particular will like this one. (he loves business stuff - I just sit in a closet doing SEO oblivious to the world around me)
I second the motion... spill the beans...
OK - updated the post and spilled 'em. It's just my personal opinion, though.
Chuckallied = Gold star! I think the answer was a bit like Banksy's painted elephant, it's so big the mind starts to wander to the tea set and doilies.
Do you know what, I figured that they would be listed in the book so thought you were referring to an agency. It just goes to show that one should never make assumptions...
I see this more like the way it was laid out in The Economist. Their claim was that Google has the capital to snatch up talent and just sit on them till they need em - and this keeps them away from Yahoo or MSN.
Uh... Google?
Hoooo boy. I wish I hadn't found this post just before 6pm when I have a proposal to write and want to get home...
As Tom guessed above, this post was right up my street - I love the business stuff and I find myself thinking about it far too much.
Like any good horoscope, a business book will let you see just enough of yourself in their description of X (in this case, a great leader) to inspire you, but leave you wanting to be more like it. The bit I identified with was:
I do this a lot - I feel it is a personal failing if we do something badly - even if I was nowhere near the project, I clearly should have been (at least then if it went wrong, it would have been my fault!).
I'd love to do a run-down of how I see us on this scale, but I should probably read the book first...
One thing I wanted to add straight away, however, was that you start by saying:
...and I know where you're coming from - they can be incredibly tedious, and it's very easy to ask yourself "was [insert idol here] reading books like this when he was starting out or was he just doing it?" (to mis-quote a famous brand of sneaker). I like reading biographies - both auto-biographies and 3rd party books of people who have achieved great things - I loved 'Losing my virginity' by Richard Branson for example.
I think the main reason I enjoy a lot of the kind of books that could easily by covered by your intro is that they keep me thinking about my company and how to grow it - they give me an excuse to brainstorm and wonder how it could do better and they keep me looking at the stars. It's easy to fall into the day-to-day when you actually need to be pushing onwards and giving that flywheel a bit of a spin.
Clearly this post has made me think - thanks Rand.
On the summing up of SEOmoz, I think it's easy to fail to realise how far you have come and sometimes you need to take stock, look back, and go 'damn'. You guys are doing cool stuff and hopefully there's greatness (in Collins' sense) in the future...
PS - screw reading the book (though I will). I've printed the PDF worksheet - gives me something to do on the train home tonight. Don't worry Rand, the book I was reading wasn't any good anyway. Don't feel like you've spoiled my evening. Really.
Too late - I've already crawled into a hole of guilt.
hogwash. if you guys aren't going straight to the top then i don't know sh*t about sh*t
Your eloquence is inspiring :)
Seriously - thanks for the vote of confidence. Certainly the best thing about SEOmoz is, without doubt, the community of people around us.
I'd like to call attention to #2 above - "First Who, Then What" - in terms of relating it to another theory on how to successfully grow a company. That theory focuses on the efficiency and scalability of the process as the internal means of driving growth. Andy Beal touched upon this in his post/article, "Top 10 Business Mistakes Search Marketing Firms Make." Take a look at #3 in the article - overall it's a well-written piece that has helped me achieve a stronger understanding of search marketing as a business, so read the whole thing if you can.
My own thinking is much more in line with #2 that Rand cited above from Good to Great. I think that no matter how well you structure things and develop your processes to be scalable the idea that you'll achieve an assembly line level of productivity is, at least in the realm of marketing, unlikely if not impossible. Successful search marketers need to understand the problem from multiple angles, and the spectrum of their tasks and talents reflects this.
There is the possibility to delegate specific tasks, such as keyword research or link building, to a person whose role is specific to these tasks - which does, in some sense, make the process scalable - but each task requires a good overall understanding of the client's unique situation. Furthermore, it doesn't do much for people's motivation when you employ them in this fashion.
It's something I think about quite often as an SEM whose goal it is to start my own company in the next year or so.
Rand, what are your thoughts? It seems that you agree that people ought to be emphasized over process, but in regards to Andy's article and the issue of scalability in terms of growing a business the process must also come into play - especially to start seeing growth like PepperJam, for example, has enjoyed.
In short, how do you think search marketing firms should look to reconcile the two?
LOL. Thanks for the link to the Business Pundit article Rand. I learned about the Barnum Effect and realized exactly why I'm so cynical of management books - even if this one is recommended by Gillian and Avinash!
I think the right approach is cynicism and skepticism, but also being open to the fact that people have done a lot of this stuff (running successful companies) before and done it very well. I would say it would be naive to think you can't learn from sources such as these.
Nonetheless, I take your point and gave you a thumbs-up for expanding my vocabulary - I had never heard the 'horoscope effect' (as I would have called it) called that...
I don't give a hoot who the mystery company is that Rand refers to.
What stands out is that he is willing to look at his own conpany, listen to the advice of others and apply it, learn from his mistakes and share as he goes.
Thank you for the book recommendation :)
shor – You beat me to it. My takeaway is the Business Pundit review link, too. It is more in line with what I think: While it is smart to study winners, I don’t think you become great by following some specific formula.
I personally prefer to look at companies I admire and try to learn as much as possible about their non public life. How they face tough challenges?
A great company I look for inspiration is Sony. I read John Nathan’s book “SONY” and I definitely recommend it.
Hamlet - see my response to shor above... Thanks for the heads-up about SONY. It's going on the wishlist. :)
Hamlet - I certainly think the review made some great points, but what I would say in response to that particular piece of criticism is this:
Let's say there were a multitude of companies who shared these traits with the "great" companies, yet did not achieve greatness. Does that mean that the traits aren't worth persuing, or does it just imply that there are even more traits that separate "good" from "great"? If so, it's certainly not futile to pursue these - it just means there's even more (outside of the scope of the book) that needs to be done.
Rand - Good traits are definitely worth persuing. On the other hand, not only there might be more traits that separate “good” from “great”, but there might be “great” companies that don't share all the “great” traits mentioned in the book.
Each company faces completely different scenarios and challenges. What made sense to a company in a particular point in time, might not to another highly successful company. I can say with confidence that none of those companies became great by following a specific recipe. As I said, I prefer to focus on a single successful company when I need inspiration to move forward.
To illustrate my point: I know many SEOs look for common traits among the top 10 websites for a particular search term, but I have found that it is more effective to study a single one or a couple of top 10 sites that seem to use the same strategy. We all know that there are many different strategies to get to the first page of results, so finding common traits might not be even possible.
Rand,
You should try Collins other book, Built to Last. A lot of info about building a company, rather than making a good company great.
I too have read Built To Last, excellent resource!
I agree with Kim--I honestly don't care who the mystery company is.
Darn it--I've seen that book has on every manager's desk since I started here. Looks like I might need to pick it up.
Kudos on being honest and realistic about where you stand.
@Rand: It has been almost 5 years since you read the book. Would you like to review the situation again and how this book helped you?
I read this book a few years ago and to date it has consistently remained one of my top five favorite non-fiction books. If you liked Good to Great you might also be interested in Leadership & Self-Deception and Inside the Tornado.
Thanks for this excellent summary of the book's main concepts. It made me think about my current employer. We definitely do some of these things really well, although there really is a problem with momentum.
And unfortunately, since the new modicum of Corporate Conduct was just instituted during my lunch break, I am afraid I am no longer allowed to speak about "The Company". ;)
Perhaps it is time to strike out on my own and make my own "Great" company...
This book was required reading in college. An amazing eye opener. From my perspective SEOmoz is on the right path as of now. I look forward to watching you grow.
Well, I do like books that have titles like "The XYZ Habits of Highly Effective..." so I'll probably like this one. Thanks for the recommendation.
This literally the only business management book I have ever read and it is still paying off dividends to this day and will likely continue to do so in the future.
It was given to me by the C.O.O. of CBS Interactive a few years ago, which is the only reason I bothered to read it, and I'm still extremely thankful to him for sharing this book with me back then.
Steve's the bomb!
I've just read the book and found it fascinating.
The question I asked myself throughout was: How do you apply all this to a small, entrepreneurial start-up? Clearly, the resources available to a huge listed company are very different from those available to us. The strategies appropriate for those companies are also potentially different, although I'm prepared to accept that many basic principles could be the same.
I'm looking for what I've labelled "Two to Twenty" resources - about making those steps to becoming a sustainable company. There seems to be a fair amount about the nuts and bolts of setting up a small company, but not a lot of great material about growing a start-up during this phase.
Linda
After reading this post, I was so inspired that I bought the book. And I'll never regret it. Lots of good common sense that applies to any business. But I think my company is mostly level 4 leaders.
Jim Collins is a guru in his field. This book is awesome. The section on confronting brutal facyt has made us take another look at our organizatio. Highly recommended.
I suggest people read the Pundit article. This book is kinda fluffy.
I too want to know who said company is ... spill it Rand.
So I guess I am going to have to break down and read that stupid book huh? I too have a severe dislike for business books (unless I'm having a hard time sleeping), but this one keeps creepy up there.
Fine. I'll read it. You're about to make my CEO very happy.
Now that I have read the BusinessPundit article, I feel like reading Good to Great even more. It might be a total waste of time, but the flip side of it pushes me to see about it myself.
Also Rand - if you follow that link to Pepperjam you get presented with a video which says "according to Inc magazine we are the fastest full service internet marketing agency in the entire country"....
Fastest at what? I think they meant to say fastest growing, it's a pretty bold statement to say fastest at getting traffic/rankings!
edit: grammar. grammar. grammar
Rand, being as modest as usual.. I do hope the humility box was ticked for seomoz :) Thanks for the recommendation.
I don´t even think anymore if you make a recommendation, I just went to Amazon and bought the book. I hope you´ve read "the tipping point". And yes, if I find time in all this stress I will review my company also and send it to ya.
Maybe Rebecca's ideal role is indeed the "utility player" and secretly likes to be the "go to" person. You often refer to her as such and may have defined her role by subconciously transfering a role defining image upon her that has created a false feedback loop of her projecting a self image of needing to be in a helper role that feeds into your need to refer to her as such. Then again maybe not. ;)
I think my new role is to try and wrap my head around what you just said, David... ;)
good post.. a book i read might help you.. based on your comments above.
"I Could Do Anything If I Only Knew What It Was: How to Discover What You Really Want and How to Get It " by barabara shurr (sp?)
I read most of that book you suggest...somewhere along the way I stopped reading it and never made it to the end...
This is a great book. I respect you more that you read it and are trying to applying it to SEOmoz. Watching how successful companies are run is not a waste of time. I think it especially true for tech companies that lack depth in business experience.
I just ordered the book, Rand. Amazon should pay you a commission. Oh, wait, they do...
Nah - we never use that affiliate code stuff. :)
Why not? Not worth the perception that your review is biased?