I was lucky enough to recently speak at the MozCon conference in Seattle, and during my talk one of the points that I covered were some experiments that I’ve conducted with query volume in Google, and how this affects various parts of the algo.
Google have for a long time publicly said that query volume has no effect on website rankings, but SEOs the world over have been crying foul. I mean c’mon, it just makes sense right?
Google’s own auto-suggest for instance, that has always “felt” like it was driven purely by search volume right? And by getting good stuff into auto-suggest (or for that matter, removing those annoying negative ones like [brand scam] or [brand ripoff]) has a direct impact on search behavior, so why not results as well?
So, a few months back I began experimenting with search query volume in the results. My objective was fairly simple, and just involved trying to get “Martin Macdonald SEO” to be suggested when typing in “martin macd……”.
Granted, searches for my name are without doubt a low volume query, so it probably was going to be far more achievable than getting my name to appear after a search for “Poker”, but it threw up some interesting results.
How to Create Volume:
There are plenty of ways of trying to get lots of people to carry out searches that you want them to. For many companies, offline advertising spend can be used to create huge volume, these days you often see on TV adverts things like “search used cars Seattle to find us” or even “search for Samsung TV’s”. Both of these examples are aimed specifically at moderating search behavior and getting people to perform fairly specific searches.
Most of us however do not have access to TV levels of budget, and even if we did convincing the marketing director to allow you, as an SEO, to have a say in the direct response messaging of the spot is a bit tough.
Luckily there are other ways of achieving it, Rand has experimented for some time with driving tweets to google results pages, and his followers (currently running at over 35,000) regularly click through to the google results, and then click on the one that he intended. While I don’t think he has ever said that this was to play with both CTR and search volume, it’s a perfect potential methodology.
Another really easy way to generate searches is by using your newsletter mailing list. If you have, say 100,000 people in your email list, try a few emails where you are sending them to a search result where you know you rank well rather than direct to your site.
This behavior can now even be tracked through google webmaster tools to see the uplift in CTR, and I’d be willing to bet good money that it forms part of the overall website authority metric in google.
I mean, it’s a great signal right? Users on a wide variety of queries always seem to click through to the results of one website; that’s got to represent a trusted site right?
So What Happened?
Well, as I was saying at the top of this post, I created some search volume for the term “Martin Macdonald SEO”. This was part of an overall campaign to get my new personal site to rank well for my name (other people sharing my exact name have a Wikipedia page, are D-list television celebrities in the UK, or own the exact match .com variant of my name, so it wasn’t going to be straightforward).
As you can see from Google insights for search, the volume for my name grew a lot over the period that I have been running this test:
I also experimented with lots of variations on the theme just for fun as you can see from this screenshot of my webmaster tools:
What were the results?
Now as you can see by checking google.co.uk the exact term I was targeting is #1 in the autosuggest window, thereby giving that term the maximum exposure possible. When people type in my name, the number one auto-suggest appends “SEO” onto the search term, thereby influencing more volume onto it.
Furthermore, and this is what really interested me, when you now type in just “Martin Macdonald” onto the search box, my site, with the page title “Martin Macdonald SEO” ranks in P1 with very little in the way of links and history.
Now, this is far from a perfect test, for instance it’s a test group of one – not exactly scientifically significant! That said, it was a behavior that I simply was not expecting to see – I’m unsure as to whether the query volume, alongside the signal that this was indeed the site that people were looking for was at play, but it does bear some logic right?
- Lots of people search for “Martin Macdonald SEO”
- There is a site with the EXACT title: “Martin Macdonald SEO”
- It doesn’t rank, so the people don’t click through on anything.
Google learn this behavior, and then stick the site that it thinks should have been ranking in P1 to see if people click through?
Another interesting experiment that I will play about with over the next few months is trying some search query paths, so for instance someone searches for “SEO”, then they search for “SEO Consultant”, and finally search for “SEO Martin Macdonald” (just an off the wall example) it might be a likely signal that “Martin Macdonald” should follow the word(s) SEO, or SEO Consultant when typed in, as a higher than average number of people go down that funnel. If that does work, imagine the creative marketing you could try with high volume generic keywords that relate to your industry!
Certainly bears some logic for me…. And is worth further investigation!
Very interesting post. When Google says X or Y isn't a factor, I think that they actually mean 'We don't want you to focus on X or Y' in a lot of cases. - Jenni
The power of persuading is strong and Google deem themselves very influential and the majority of folks listen to it. I think you could be on to a very good point here Jenni.
"Google’s own auto-suggest for instance, that has always “felt” like it was driven purely by search volume right?"
Though search volume plays an important role in Google auto-suggest but it is not the only factor that influence it. Google auto suggest can vary across geolocations and search engine version (Google UK, Google Canada). Search trends and user's browsing history also impact it. So for example if I search SEOmoz at lot on Google, then it may start ranking high in Google auto suggest but only for me. So my question is did u clear your browsing history and other browsing data before searching for your name. Did you check your rankings in different gelocations/countries?
I can influence searches on a per geo level - but havent. the bulk of my traffic is UK and India/Pakistan, so these are the territories where I would expect to see the highest impact.
Do you think it is nescessary to maintain the search volume to get stable results? What will happen if volume declines?
great question - I guess (and it is a guess) is that there is something like a "last 12 month" volume trigger on it. I stopped sending volume 30 days ago and they are still there.
Hey Martin, unfortunately the suggest positioning will drop if you reduce / remove the queries. We've tested this and it falls out in around 30 days. What's really interesting is how long it can take the query to appear. Between 2 weeks and 2 months, oddly. :-)
thing is though Rich, its somewhat self perpetuating right? people searching for Martin Macdonald and actually ARE looking for me will use the autosuggest, therefore creating "real" search volume out of my hackery.
I think it would also depend on the CTR of your ranking. If the majority of people searching for "Martin MacDonald" *ARE* actually looking for MOGmartin, then it would make sense for Google to keep the ranking high. On the other hand, if the majority is actually looking for the Conductor, I'm sure that it's just a matter of time before Martin MacDonald Conductor rises back to the top based on CTRs and bounce rates.
[Also, I'm curious has to how long it will take this blog post to rise to the first page of Martin MacDonald searches? :) ]
My thought on why this works is as follows:
[This is all guess work obviously, but it kinda makes sense. Google uses trending tweets, trending news, etc... So it would make sense that it would use trending searches to attempt to guess at search intent for more broad/generic searches where search intent is non obvious]
Does anyone else think this post was a ploy to get people to type 'Martin Macdonald SEO' into Google? ;) It worked on me..
damn, you got me! its an experiment rolled into an experiment!
Sounds Good!
I was discussing the coke TV commercial focusing on their new future flames campaign... they did the same thing like search for us on search engine through ‘Future Flames’ and I though this is not really good approach as one change in Algo update can out rank the website from the particular keyword and whole Ad will be a waste as far as the required actions are concern.
But, for the Google instant suggest point of view this is the nice idea to go this way... and cater the continuous traffic to your website.
The term you mentioned in the post is of relatively low search volume but for the keywords like ‘future flames’ one need to have a large amount of people (cater through TV ad, Newspaper, Email marketing) to do search for them…which is kinnda costly!
It sure could be costly to manipulate that level of search volume, but there are ofcourse other ways of influencing search behaviour to a much larger extent!
This reminds me of a fun way to test the effects of CTR on the SERPS that @ipullrank & I tossed around for awhile.
Basically, you launch a focused "sweepstakes" or "giveaway" social media campaign, where the entry is scavenger hunt style. The user is told to go to Google, enter the magic word and then click on your website when it shows up in the SERPS.
On the backend, you could trigger a lightbox entry form when you detect SERP traffic on that page for the magic word.
By selecting a key term where your target site has an average rank in webmaster tools of say 5 - 8, you could get a feel for whether or not CTR is a factor.
Failing that, it's a fun way to engage your audience and brand yourself for certain queries.
While it definitely borders on the gray, if enough people gave this a go it might nudge Google to clarify their position on the matter.
This idea is awesome and someone should run with it.
Brilliant! Can you share the results if you do follow through on it?
I like how you haven't revealed how you did it explicitly. It's good to be inspired and not given all the answers, it makes us better (or perhaps a little more frustrated).
Cheers
no point in giving it all up right ;)
I agree. I wanted to ask about how you tracked everything, reported, etc. but then realized I could figure that stuff out. It'll take a little work but pay off in the long run.
This is all very interesting, but am I the only one that thinks it feels at least a little grey hat? It also may be extremely temporary and/or personalized... Right now my autosuggest on "Martin Macdonald" adds "bass pro shops" "bass pro" and "smc" before "seo".
Also, can somebody insert an </i> tag? :)
the missing < / i > is on the author's bio box.
gotcha - I didnt actually post it, I emailled it.... ;)
Will flag it to 'moz.
cheers
m
I am getting the same results from my autosuggest.
It will be interesting to see what happens over time.
check your results on google.co.uk where most of my traffic is biased towards.
Thanks! That made a big difference.
Just occured to me that I never addressed your grey hat bit - to be fair I cut my teeth by working in Poker SEO for three years.
Make of that what you will ;)
The grey hat feel is interesting ... it does seem a little on the line although I can see both sides of this morality question -- key words of course are carefully crafted to appeal to a specific audience -- and in some ways we did have to do something to the sphere to garner the right influence -- what types of bugs are the trout going for and I'll make a fly that mimics that ... in contrast with a higher authority saying, 'oh, if you're going to use that color then this is how you finish the fly ...' ... I still get the same results of drawing the target to my bait ... I don't know if this metaphor holds together or not -- ? I think I'm on the white side of grey. Comments?
There is a school of thought that if you engage in any form of linkbuilding, including genuine outreach, great content provision etc. then its grey-hat, if your only reason for doing so was to attract links.
Google's webmaster guidelines lead with "do not participate in link schemes" - at its most fundamental level, that rules out 99% of SEO right?
Great post Martin, but how exactly did you create the search volume? :)
There's a couple of suggestions how you can create the volume in the post if you've got a big twitter following, or a big email list.
there are other ways ofcourse, which I may disclose in a post on my own blog in the coming weeks, when I do I will publish it on twitter so be sure to follow: @seoforumsorg ;)
I got couple of ideas that can help creating a search volume but i would love to read your post on that... (Already following sir!) ;)
Nice job ... of course I'll follow you on Twitter -- just to hear 'the rest of the story' ... clever approach to ramp up your Twitter numbers too -- I like it!!!
@MOGmartin Thanks again for your presents on MozCon. Some great stuff!Did you just go to google.co.uk and hit your name + SEO?Or did you use your friends network to help you?I have started a new experiment today :-)
It was all fuelled by the network. Unfortunately I dont have enough twitter followers or email lists to do this any other way ;)
Makes perfect sense but surely the higher traffic the keyword is receiving the more harder it will be to get thie theory to work? I can see it being great for promoting brands online but if you're targeting "plumbers" for instance, I can imagine it would be a hell of a lot more difficult to get your query in to the auto-suggest, unless I'm not completely reading this correctly.
Will look forward to your future post on this theory!
Within the post it states that he isn't going to rank for "Poker" ;-) "Granted, searches for my name are without doubt a low volume query, so it probably was going to be far more achievable than getting my name to appear after a search for “Poker”, but it threw up some interesting results. " So you're 100% correct however he did state that he wasn't going to try for a super cometitive search term.
But he does state he will later try to target more competitive keywords in future, so that's when we'll see if this theory does prove to be as effective as I hope!
I do have the scale to influence 500,000+ queries per month, that "should" be able to game much higher volume queries.
the ones I talked about here were using around 120k per month, but only on short bursts of a week or two each term.
It is interesting - we might give it a little go because it could prove fruitful!
Martin,
In Wisconsin, USA, here's what I see today:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4621344/Martin%20Macdonald%2002.png (with a space after the query)
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4621344/Martin%20Macdonald%2001.png (without a space after the query)
Scott
Searching from Hong Kong with Google.com, I get the auto-suggestion in last place at "martin macdonal" and your website is at #2.
Searching with Google.co.uk, I get no auto-suggestion and your website is not in top 100. Didn't check further.
here in the UK, searching google.co.uk, Im 1st with my personal site, 3rd with my twitter handle, 5th&6th with my linkedin profile.
Well put! Alternatively if you have something you want to get rid of in Google suggest you can use the same tactics. Eg. ...
pinkwidgets.com
Suggested Search: Pink Widgets Scam (or any other undesirable word after name/brand)
Hire a freelancer (odesk, mechanical turk, etc) to search "pink widgets scam" a couple thousand times and wa-la.
I've done this five times and it worked in less than six days each time.
I thought google specifically was showing "scam" suggestions less these days.
In 'most' occasions. It doesn't necessarily have to be the word scam, more so an undesirable word of any sort. Ripoff, expletives, whatever.
Thumbs Up and Retweet for you! Excellent and insightful post - food for thought... Thank you.
thanks very much Ryan!
Great post. This is great of course for personal branding and I bet because of the rising CTR good for your overal rankings. But, if the search volume dies off I assume the auto-suggest will dissapear also?
Interesting post, I have been seeing more and more businesses trying and link up offline campaigns with online campaigns to increase the Queries and have an impact on the Auto Suggest for example.
I think it is a smart strategy if done well for example driving customers using Billboards, radio and TV campaigns and telling people to search for a specific brand + Keyword for example.
It is a risky business but if the term is already a huge volume term and then you try and bring it into the mix it can leave you with some issues with even having presence and you also need to remember the demand level volumes if something comes up quickly it can also go down quickly too.
While I think this is definitely very interesting and worthy of testing I don't find the resulting shift in the position of Martin Macdonald without the SEO that shocking. It's an exact match domain, and with all that user data saying "hey, when we type in Martin Macdonald, we want that SEO dude" Google would be stupid not to rank you higher.
Still, it's good to know that that (appears to) work...
sure, but someone else owns the exact match with the .com variant - mine is the .net. his domain has much more history as well.
the only difference there would be the page title, which matches the higher search volume "martin macdonald seo".
M
Thanks for sharing this. I do have a question related to your test. What actions did you take to influence the volume of searches?
You can always use microservices like Mechanical Turk from Amazon. But if your company or objective is big enought, rest assured that your competitiors will also be there monitoring new jobs ;)
Interesting read, thanks for the good post
I have thought for a while now that search volume can affect rankings.
A site I have been working on has a popular keyword followed by another word as the brand name. Not long after the brand name started showing in the first spot of auto-suggest it started ranking number 1 for the popular keyword (moving from 5-6). To me that seemed like too much of a big jump for a 50% keyword difficultly keyword to be a coincidence.
Great experiment - curious about your next indicated one ...
From my own personal experiences it takes about 300k searches for a fresh search phrase of three words to register enough volume to appear in Google insights on its own and slightly more for it to trigger as a break out keyword against the phrase for just the initial two words. But that was over a 2 day period with probably 60%-70% unique search source (I'd need to track more details to determine an exact level of unique searches).
The last experiment I used at time was a search phrase that had probably never been searched for before (as it contains words that are not real) tied against a main two word phrase with about a 2.5 million search results.
This works on Amazon as well. If you are selling a book, you want the title to appear in the suggestions - and a few instances of you typing it in tends to trigger the auto-suggest to start to list it
Interesting article, thanks for sharing
It's interesting how Google seems to index their queries, and it's just got to have some volume based relevance. I agree with the need to manipulate such searches, but for a lot of companies this just will not be affected nearly as soon without a high query rate. Good stuff and thanks for the post!
jwaite, right!
Were you able to go through the query path experiement that you had mentioend in the last paragraph? Were you able to get Google to suggest Martin Macdonald after SEO or SEO consultant?
This is a good idea, but only if you have luxury of time to have a large query volume. But i might try it, great post!
Thanks for the great post, it solved my one of the problem, one particular site was eating my most of the attension as that website has no linking profile and coming on TOP where BIG guns of that feild are competing.
Why go to the effort of generating false visits to another keyword on the suspicion that it may help the rankings of your target keyword when you can just drop a few links anc accomplish the same hting?
I remember reading about a strategy where SEOs link to the SERP that has their page listed to assist in their key phrase being listed as one of the suggestions in Google. Do any of you have any experience with this?
I heard this doesn't work.
He is talking about Click-Thru-Rate. I heard it does work and Bing openly uses it. There was a big fuss about it a few months ago.
Interesting post. I would guess that increased volume on keyphrase shifts semantics of the query, in this case from "Martin Macdonald" + SEO (brand - Martin Macdonald) to "Martin Macdonald SEO" (branded term - complete keyphrase).
May be you are right.After seeing your analysis,i think it can be happen but what about the bounce rate?
bounce rate is pretty much irrelevant, Im not focussing on getting the traffic, just creating the search volume.
But bounce rate is one of the metrics used by google, no?? I mean if you have a site with a very high bounce rate wont it negatively impact your site?
Again i am not sure about this myself... (i am not seo expert, still need to learn how google thinks)
bounce rate is a very dirty signal.. for instance if your site was there primarily so that people could find your phone number, or address, and people got that off the homepage - then the bounce rate would be close to 100%.
For that reason it cant really be used as a great indicator of site quality by google.
The main use for it is to test different parts of your site against each other, or to see if you are serving the right content against the right queries. From that perspective bounce rate is very valuable.
(by the way, the thumbs down was NOT from me.... your question was perfectly valid!)
Nice one Martin, this can be push up for websites with lower competition terms, get the terms they already rank for and push up the search volume intentionally. I'm sure there are more ways we can work on this :)
yup :) Im hoping that lots of other people will start experimenting and release more data!
I've heard a lot of people talking about it. I've seen some people trying to manipulate the suggestions where it had terms like "scam" when the search were related to their companies. No sucess!
I' in San Diego, California. FUNNY: Apr 13, 2011 – the almost irrelevant homepage of Martin Macdonald, professional SEO and owner of seoforums.org.
You were about the 5th one down on the list.
try it on google.co.uk - most of my experiments are biased towards this google site, as Im based in London.
I ran a promotion on an ecommerce website and suddenly realized that Google is suggesting the following queries within a week of launch:
The above queries was also visible in GWT within a couple of days with 1,000% improvement and impression.
Nice test. I'm goint to try it also in the future. Do you just ask the users to do a specific search and choose the correct result, or do You link to the results?
a little bit of both ;)
Google are surely quick-witted enough to recognise a swathe of searches coming from the same refer[r]er page following through to only one site in the SERPs as an attempt to manipulate results?
I'd have thought the best way by far would be to request type-in of the terms. If using a mailing list then algorithmically altering your requested terms would be quite a good idea too, no?
Or link to the search using a URL shortener -- this way there will likely not be an HTTP_REFERRER header attached.
In my tests I didnt "link" to the search results pages. Its probably the easiest way to portray how to do it though.
Good Work Brother,,,Keep it up...
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Anybody seen this? Looks like removing those negative spamming instant results is now possible
https://www.localseoguide.com/remove-link-spotted-in-google-instant/