I have an update on the Jason Gambert Saga. For those of you wanting a refresher, please see my first post on the internet marketer trying to trademark "SEO" and my first update.
When I last I provided an update, Gambert had filed a 41-page response to SEOmoz's opposition proceeding and requested that all further legal proceedings be kept secret from the public.
The TTAB (Trademark Trial and Appeal Board) rejected Gambert's 41-page response and his request for secrecy because of its numerous procedural and legal flaws. However, it gave him a second chance to get it right by giving him a month extension to file a properly formatted response.
He took advantage of the extra time! Gambert filed an improved response in July that essentially denies everything. If he had stopped there, then I wouldn't be writing this post today.
But the persistent, misguided man went on to file two frivolous motions in the case. For today's Legal Monday, I'm going to take you through more of Gambert's flawed attempts to bend the TTAB office to his will.
Copies of all the documents in the case, including Gambert's Motion, SEOmoz's Responses, and the TTAB's rulings, can be found on the TTAB's Case Site.
Gambert's Motion for Default Judgment
On July 11, 2008, Gambert filed a very strange motion requesting a "default judgment." I don't want to get too technical and overdose you on lawyer-talk, but basically he asked the TTAB to grant his claims against SEOmoz. He argued that he should win his claims because SEOmoz never served (i.e., "properly delivered") him the opposition paperwork.
How did SEOmoz allegedly fail to serve or deliver our opposition paperwork to Mr. Gambert? SEOmoz sent the paperwork to the address that Gambert registered with the TTAB, but he didn't receive it. Why didn't he receive it? Because he failed to pick up his mail. In fact, he has failed to pick up any of the mail (four or five packages) we sent him.
There are at least two important problems with Gambert's request for a default judgment against SEOmoz:
First, Gambert can't win a default judgment because he never made any claims against SEOmoz. Rather, the converse is true; SEOmoz made claims against Gambert. He is asking the Board to rule on claims he never filed.
Second, SEOmoz did, in fact, conduct proper service on Gambert according to the laws and rules of the TTAB. SEOmoz is required to mail the documents to him, but we can't make him pick them up.
I argued these points in SEOmoz's response to Gambert's request for default judgment:
Because there is no request for a judgment or affirmative relief pending against SEOmoz, the Motion for Default Judgment was improper and should be denied. The Applicant’s motion is nonsensical given the facts of the case and falls short of professional and pro se standards for motions practice.....
In addition to the fact that the motion is improper, the Applicant’s motion for relief should be denied because personal service of the Notice of Opposition is not required pursuant to 37 CFR § 2.105 and Trademark Rule 113. Further, the Board’s notice suffices as notice to the Applicant. 37 CFR § 2.105 and TBMP 113.
As you can see, SEOmoz responded to both the procedural problem with Gambert's motion (he never filed a claim against SEOmoz) and the substantive problem (SEOmoz did in fact serve him in accordance with the cited rules).
Before the TTAB could issue a decision regarding his Motion for Default, Gambert filed yet another baseless request.
Before the TTAB could issue a decision regarding his Motion for Default, Gambert filed yet another baseless request.
Gambert's Motion for Dismissal
On July 24, 2008, Gambert filed another motion with the TTAB requesting that the case be dismissed because SEOmoz failed to properly serve him the opposition documents. Basically, Gambert attempted to self-correct his earlier procedural error by filing for a dismissal instead of a default judgment.
Well, I'll give it to him that asking for dismissal makes more sense than asking for default. However, Gambert should have read my first response regarding service rules instead of making the same faulty substantive argument.
In SEOmoz's August 11, 2008 response to Gambert's slightly refashioned argument, I cited the same service rules proving that SEOmoz doesn't have to personally deliver the mail or make sure that Gambert picks up his mail. In fact, the TTAB's electronic notice of the opposition proceedings is sufficient. In addition to citing the actual laws and court rules on service, I also highlighted that Gambert's refusal to claim his mail or update his address amounts to an abuse of process:
It is disingenuous and disrespectful to the tribunal for Gambert to repeatedly make frivolous motions based on lack of service arguments while failing his duty to update his address for the tribunal. It is at a minimum an abuse of process and at worse a fraud on the tribunal. Gambert cannot be permitted to claim the benefits of the tribunal (trademark registration) while repeatedly disregarding his duties to the tribunal (updating his contact information and filing proper motions).
The TTAB Rejects Gambert's Requests and
Requires Him to Get Permission Before Filing Any Further Motions
Requires Him to Get Permission Before Filing Any Further Motions
On August 13, 2008, the TTAB issued a ruling resoundingly rejecting Gambert's requests.
Regarding the Motion for Default Judgment, the TTAB states:
Upon reviewing the motion, the Board agrees with the opposer [SEOmoz] that applicant's motion has no foundation in law and is nonsensical. Accordingly, the motion is denied.
Regarding the Motion for Dismissal, the TTAB states:
...Opposer [SEOmoz] has complied with the requirements set forth in Trademark Rules 2.101(a) and 2.119(a). The Board notes that opposer indicates in its response brief that the copy of the notice of opposition which it sent to applicant [Gambert] at his address of record, was returned as 'unclaimed.' Applicant contends that opposer had an obligation to make sure service of the notice of opposition was made, but failed to do so. Applicant further indicates that he 'travels and is not always available at one address" but has a forwarding address on file with the United States Post Office. Applicant further admits, interestingly, that "not all mail is delivered one hundred percent of the time." Essentially, applicant seems to be arguing that opposer was responsible for ensuring that the notice of opposition was properly forwarded to applicant wherever he was in April 2008. Applicant is mistaken. The onus is on him to ensure that his mail is properly forwarded.
In view therefore, applicant's motion is hereby denied.
Not only did the Board flatly reject Gambert's requests, it actually barred him from further wasting its time:
The Board notes that applicant [Gambert] has made many procedural errors during the course of this proceeding. In the interest of moving forward on this case and to avoid further disputes, the Board will not entertain, and applicant is not to file, any further papers...without prior leave of the Board. In order to obtain prior leave, applicant must contact the interlocutory attorney assigned to this case...by telephone and receive verbal permission to file a paper. [emphasis in original]
Next Steps
Unfortunately, the case isn't over. We've just gotten through Gambert's attempt to abuse the process by filing frivolous motions. We haven't even gotten to the merits of the case yet!
I'm really looking forward to the next steps because SEOmoz gets to ask Mr. Gambert for all of his evidence on the case. In fact, I will finally be able to meet Mr. Gambert in person when I get to ask him questions about the case, under oath, in front of a court reporter. Finally, I'll get some insight into Mr. Gambert's history in internet marketing, his business practices, his marketing strategies, and his understanding of trademark law.
As always, I'll keep you updated as the case develops.
Best Regards,
Sarah
I'm really looking forward to the next steps because SEOmoz gets to ask Mr. Gambert for all of his evidence on the case. In fact, I will finally be able to meet Mr. Gambert in person when I get to ask him questions about the case, under oath, in front of a court reporter. Finally, I'll get some insight into Mr. Gambert's history in internet marketing, his business practices, his marketing strategies, and his understanding of trademark law.
As always, I'll keep you updated as the case develops.
Best Regards,
Sarah
as always thanks for the d-bag update Sarah
this guy is a fish out of water at this point
any chance when u face him in court you can tape it for a whiteboard friday?
I second that motion.
LOL ... also ask him to write a YouMoz post ;)
Sarah, this is marvelous. You're the only person I know who can make a detailed account of legal proceedings read entertainingly enough that I feel like grabbing a bowl of popcorn, and enjoying the mental cartoons it prompts.
Somewhere in the back of my head, Gambert looks like the insurance company boss from The Incredibles and speaks with Wallace Shawn's voice...
I couldn't agree more, that was really fun to read. Take it to him!
"My motion was denied? Inconceivable!"
That post amounted to a very well-written bit of legalese bitch-slapping. And I loved it.
And bookworm, what do you mean arcane? Your guys don't even wear wigs..
Objection, your honor.
You know what, reading these posts never fails to make my day. Thanks for this morning's dose of lulz.
Poor sap, almost feel bad for him... almost. But close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades. :-)
Reading his filings I get the feeling his only legal experience is from watching Law and Order and then screwing that up. :-)
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/zegron/LAOSEO.jpg
haha I laughed way too loud... people looking at me now
:-) thanks!
does this guy have a chance? seems like he is learning his lawyer skillz online
Sarah,
Excellent update! Thanks for breaking it down in an easy way to understand.
Great work Sarah. I'm looking forward to seeing how this turns out and of course your account of meeting him face to face. If he even shows up of course.
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Oops. Sorry. Hit the reply button instead of the add comment button.
Sarah,
I love to read your legal posts.
This one is particularly interesting.
I want to trademark "I" that way I can sue them all. ;-)
Good work. I'm finally caught up with all this stuff. I second the stuff above - this was entertaining to read as well as informative.
It's been good to catch up with you again while we're out here. Hopefully see you again later before we head back.
Just checked the SEOmoz case online and the Trademark Office's letter mailed to him on the 1st was returned marked "Undeliverable"on the 13th. How the heck does he expect to be able to ever win this if he can't get motions and pleadings, etc.
Bonehead..
*update* His case with JE Hochman & Associates LLC has been updated! He filed again, and since he did he must have gotten verbal permission to do so.
Again he is filing for a dismissal (his second one).
He has several main statements regarding the rules of opposition. (note: the statements have been stated in non-legal terms as I understand them, See the link at the bottom for all the legalese and proper rule numbers)
He quotes rule 2.101(a) that basically states that if the plaintiff files papers he is required to provide proof of service to the opposed/defendant.
He then complains, "The Board accepts the proceeding as "Prima Facie," on its first appearance; or at first view, before investigation. Therefore applicant requests for the reconsideration of the motion to dismiss, for further investigation of proof, and should not be denied."
My opinion: It seems like he is complaining that the Trademark Board didn't investigate to prove that service didn't occur so his motion to dismiss shouldn't be denied.
He further complains, "Furthermore Applicant believes if reconsideration of Motion to Dismiss and investigation is not permitted, Applicant believes that Applicants fifth and fourteenth rights are being violated:"
There is more but I think that a link to the case is sufficient for the rest.
No rest for the wicked, JG is back in the mix and again is using a faulty understanding of the law to get his way. Its rather remarkable reading his statements. As far as I can tell, actual physical proof of service, beyond the Prima Facie evidence allowed, probably wouldn't be required until a trial actually begins.
Seems like he is doing everything he can do to avoid a trial.
https://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=91184116&pty=OPP&eno=12
No worries. USPTO told us not to bother responding to Gambert. He did not have permission to file this motion, and they will be rejecting it.
Ah ha! Thanks for the update. :-)
I can not understand why did not received the mail. Some it happens that oppurtunity waits for some one but he has not time to avail it.
Just to update you folks, Seomoz has requested a Discovery Conference by Phone. Hopefully Sarah will have a minute to come by tell us all what that means. Hopefully it means she gets to grill him, if so would you be able to record it? We'd love to hear it! ;-)
Hi Sarah,
Thanks for the update & appreciate your hard work. Looking forward to get further updates. I am really excited to know what "proof" he is gonna show. After all this is like asking a trademark for a term "Marketing".
Keep the world updated about the further proceeding in the case. :)
I always enjoy the Gambert updates that you provide.
You are a great legalese translator. I look forward to your account of the face to face meeting.
WOW - great read Sarah, can't believe this had gotten this far, just shows what depths some people will dive to in order to rip off people!
Look forward to the updates!
Is it perhaps time for an official SEO body/organisation, to defend the industry from complete idiots like this? It would also help to add credibility to professionals operating legit SEO services, or is that processes :)
Sarah, thanks for the update. It will be interesting to see what exactly he provides as "proof" of his claim of first use. As I mentioned before, he did not own the domain he is claiming he owned back in 97, and I am dying to see what kind of records he is going to try and introduce saying that he did. :)
As far as I know, his entire claim hinges on him actually being able to demonstrate that ownership. Unless I missed something?
I also found it interesting in his filing. He included screen shots of domain ownership, but "conveniently" left out the registration dates on those screen shots.
Great write up Sarah. For some reason I can't get the Perry Mason theme tune out of my head now!
The old theme or the new theme? I can't get the damn new theme out of my head now. :)
Keep it up until it's concluded, Sarah. It's a shame it's still leading to this, but...some people are really pushing it.
I think it will also be interesting to find out who this guy really is, and his background. It will be interesting to read about the face-to-face meeting.
Also, if Dell was prevented from getting "Cloud Computing" I really cannot see how they would give SEO to this guy.
Great update Sarah. I look forward to seeing SEOmoz win this case and destroy this man's claim to the trademark.
Thanks for the continuing commentary, and for all of your hard work! What a nut this guy seems to be!